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Obama’s trip to India has a carbon footprint bigger than many US cities
Published: 5:19 PM 11/03/2010 | Updated: 9:24 AM 11/04/2010
By Anthony Watts
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The Daily Mail: Forty planes and six armoured cars: Obama visit to India the ‘biggest ever by a US President’
NDTV: US to spend $200 million a day on Obama’s Mumbai visit
About 3,000 people, including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists, are accompanying the president on his trip to India. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies have been there for the past week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.
Of course, we know that US presidents don’t travel lightly, and they need security details and armored cars. But 3,000 people and forty aircraft?
Let’s do the carbon math:
Estimate of the carbon footprint of President Obama’s trip to India
We are constantly told how bad air travel is for the planet. For example, the UK has a whole organization, called “Plane Stupid,” dedicated to the issue. It is groups like this that enable us to calculate the carbon emissions of air travel using the handy dandy Terrapass web page.
1. If one assumes that all 3,000 people fly commercial from Washington, D.C., to New Delhi and back (and nowhere else), their cumulative carbon footprint can be calculated according to Terrapass at http://www.terrapass.com/carbon-footprint-calculator/#air.
Here’s the info on their calculation methodology.
So here’s what we get for the maximum number of people, ten, that we can select at one time on that website. Note that Bombay, India is now called Mumbai, but the airport code is still BOM in Terrapass:
Multiply 62,238 lbs of CO2 for ten people times 300 (to make three thousand) and we get 18,671,400 lbs of CO2, or 8,469 metric tons.
To get the per capita figure in metric tons, divide that again by 3,000 people, which gives us 2.823 metric tons per person for the trip.
2. The Brookings Institute did a survey in 2008 ranking major US cities by their per capita emissions. You can read the full report here. If we were to compare his trip to the city table:
Obama’s trip comes in between Memphis and Raleigh on a per capita basis.
3. Caveat: Of course, this calculation excludes the carbon footprint for also traveling to Indonesia, South Korea and Indonesia as part of this Grand Tour, as well as any other activity while in those places. Plus vehicles and other forms of travel.
If we figured in all the travel, it would well be higher.
The message? Travel lightly but carry a big hockey stick.
4. If Obama wanted to offset the carbon using the tool of choice of his buddy, Al Gore, the Chicago Climate Exchange, he could do so pretty cheaply since carbon offsets there are selling for five cents per metric ton.
So with 8,469 metric tons of CO2 emitted for the Washington-to-Bombay roundtrip, he could buy a carbon indulgence for a mere $423.45. That’s chump change when you are blowing a cool $200 million per day to keep everybody traveling in style.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/03/obamas-trip-to-india-has-a-carbon-footprint-bigger-than-many-us-cities/#ixzz14K1peMEo
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Obama’s India extravaganza angers Americans
November 04, 2010 06:57 PM |
Moneylife Digital Team
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The US is still crawling through a recession and its citizens are bothered that their chief is squandering huge resources over a vacation
There's a groundswell of anger in the US over the high cost of Barack Obama's trip to India this weekend. The sentiment stems from reports that the president and his entourage of about 3,000 officials, business people and security personnel will spend an estimated $200 million a day when he visits India for four days, beginning Saturday.
Topping the list of critics is newly-elected Republican representative from Minnesota Michele Bachmann, who has called the cost of the upcoming presidential trip "over-the-top". In an interview to a television channel following her victory in a hotly-contested re-election bid, she said, "We have never seen this sort of an entourage going with the president before. And I think this is an example of the massive overspending that we've seen-not just in the last two years, really in the last four."
There has been no independent confirmation of the expenditure figures, but the White House has been quick to respond, saying that the figures cited have no basis in reality. "Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated," White House spokespersons Amy Brundage said in a statement.
Still, it's difficult to believe that the elaborate arrangements for the four-day visit will come cheap. Like a bomb-proof surface tunnel that is to be installed by US military engineers on the approach to Mani Bhavan, the Gandhi museum that the president will visit soon after he comes to Mumbai on Saturday. US security officials came up with the plan after inspecting the route to the museum and they felt that the area was too congested to monitor. The kilometer-long tunnel that will be large enough to let Obama's cavalcade drive through, will be put up in an hour.
Several officials from the White House and US security agencies have been in India for the past couple of weeks with helicopters, a ship and high-end security systems, preparing for the visit. While security is a major concern, Americans aren't convinced about the costs involved.
"Some people say that Obama does not get it. I say he gets it just fine. He just does not care. He has his pie and he will eat it with all the toppings he can get on it and to heck with anyone else," writes one reader responding to the report on the cost of the trip. "This man has had more vacations in his two years in office than I have had in my entire life. He does not care that US citizens are living in tents as long as he is not."
Another American who wrote after returning from voting, said: "I'm totally speechless when it comes to Obama and his clowns and the whole political mess. I can't express my anger and resentment anymore."
At $200 million a day for the four-day stay, the total expenditure might not be anywhere near $1 billion, perhaps a lot less. But with a large section of Americans struggling without jobs and even losing their houses in the recession that was set off by the financial crisis in 2008, that is still too much for them to digest.
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Coconuts removed from trees in preparation for Barack Obama's India trip
http://populnks.com/world/Coconuts_removed_from_trees_in_preparation_for_Barack_Obama_/10821848
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India is preparing for Barack Obama's first visit to the country by removing coconuts from palm trees in Mumbai to protect the US president.
Published: 7:00AM GMT 04 Nov 2010
Mr Obama will visit India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and China on the 10-day tour. Photo: WHITE HOUSE Mr Obama will arrive in India on Saturday for the first leg of an Asian tour.
But as well as the usual security measures that come with welcoming a a visiting dignitary, Indian authorities have decided to go one step further, by removing all natural threats to the president as well.
Obama's visit to India underlines its economic power and rivalry to ChinaAll coconuts around the city's Gandhi museum, one of Mr Obama's stops in the city, are being taken down.
Mani Bhavan, where Mahatma Gandhi stayed during his freedom struggle against the British, is among five places the US president is visiting in Mumbai.
"We told the authorities to remove the dry coconuts from trees near the building. Why take a chance?" Mani Bhavan's executive secretary, Meghshyam Ajgaonkar, told the BBC.
Last week American security officers inspected Mani Bhavan and its surroundings along with other places the president is likely to visit.
Every year in India people are injured or even killed by falling coconuts.
Mr Obama, still smarting from heavy losses in the midterm elections, will visit India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and China on the 10-day tour.
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I really hope he keeps this crap up.
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And all these bitches on here who complained about Bush going to his ranch in Crawford won't say anything negative about this....... :-\ Considering Obama will get the same amt accomplished, I'll take the price of the Crawford trip.....unless that 200 million is for a one-way ticket for Odrama.... ;D
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34 warships sent from US for Obama visit
Press Trust of India, Updated: November 04, 2010 19:04 IST
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New Delhi: The White House will, of course, stay in Washington but the heart of the famous building will move to India when President Barack Obama lands in Mumbai on Saturday.
Communications set-up, nuclear button, a fleet of limousines and majority of the White House staff will be in India accompanying the President on this three-day visit that will cover Mumbai and Delhi.
He will also be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast during his two-day stay there beginning Saturday. The measure has been taken as Mumbai attack in 2008 took place from the sea.
Arrangements have been put in place for emergency evacuation, if needed.
Obama is expected to fly by a helicopter -- Marine One -- from the city airport to the Indian Navy's helibase INS Shikra at Colaba in south Mumbai.
From there, he will drive down in Lincoln Continental -- the Presidential limousine -- to the nearby the Taj Hotel.
Two jets, armed with advanced communication and security systems, and a fleet of over 40 cars will be part of Obamas convoy.
Around 800 rooms have been booked for the President and his entourage in Taj Hotel and Hyatt.
The President will have a security ring of American elite Secret Service, which are tasked to guard the President, along with National Security Guards (NSG) and personnel from central paramilitary forces and local police in Mumbai and Delhi.
Similar arrangements will be in place in Delhi, with the Air Force One to be kept in all readiness throughout Obama's stay here from Sunday afternoon to Tuesday morning.
Maurya Hotel, where the President will stay, has already been swarmed by American security personnel and protective measures have been put in place.
Security drills are already been carried out at the hotel as well as Rajghat which he will visit.
Sources said 13 heavy-lift aircraft with high-tech equipment, three helicopters and 500 US security personnel have arrived in India ahead of Obama's visit.
The US security has also brought interception and obstruction device, sniffer dogs, rescue gadgets.
Apart from Obama's Air Force One, a few private luxury jets carrying top American corporate leaders, who are part of Obama entourage, are also expected to arrive in India in next 2-3 days.
All high-rise buildings in the vicinity of Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel and Delhi's Maurya Sheraton hotel, where the US President will stay, are being sanitised and security personnel will be positioned on rooftops to prevent any air-borne attack.
The Ridge area - opposite Delhi's Maurya Sheraton hotel - has been illuminated by floodlights as part of the heightened security drill.
The Home Ministry has already issued an alert for Mumbai and Delhi asking authorities to take extra precautions during Obama's visit as well as on Diwali on Friday.
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Story first published: November 04, 2010 15:23 IST
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Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459?cp
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US to spend $200 mn a day on Obama's Mumbai visit
Press Trust of India, Updated: November 03, 2010 08:25 IST
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Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million (Rs. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city.
"The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit," a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.
About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.
"Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy," the official said on condition of anonymity.
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Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama's stay. The city's airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President's arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.
The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President's security, the official said.
The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.
Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/us-to-spend-200-mn-a-day-on-obama-s-mumbai-visit-64106?cp
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3,000 people?
WTF?
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i don't understand why the fuck we need to send 3000k to smelly India..
Fuck use that money to create real jobs,
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$200 million a day to go over there to piss off a major ally in India.
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LOL!
3000 people travel to another country and we want congressional investigations.
3000 people die on 911, and any investigation is unpatriotic.
Suck one. A fat one. A juicy one.
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i don't understand why the fuck we need to send 3000k to smelly India..
Fuck use that money to create real jobs,
2 Billion dollars for what?
And he wonders why most people now wants his gone in 2012?
Remember the gaudy Spanish trip by his wife?
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LOL!
3000 people travel to another country and we want congressional investigations.
3000 people die on 911, and any investigation is unpatriotic.
Suck one. A fat one. A juicy one.
They're not even remotely comparable.
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They're not even remotely comparable.
agreed.
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agreed.
240 - DO YOU AGREE THAT THE OPTICS OF THIS TRIP LOOK TERRIBLE?
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Where is the official statement saying it's 200 m? Or is that based on the carbon footprint? 333 you are a attorney, you should know better, that unless you have concrete evidence, you have no case.
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Where is the official statement saying it's 200 m? Or is that based on the carbon footprint? 333 you are a attorney, you should know better, that unless you have concrete evidence, you have no case.
I posted all the sources for this.
34 Warships and their crew - thousands of people
3,000 people going along with POTUS
40 Jets - crew - fuel - etc
800 Rooms for a week in the Hotel
etc etc.
200 Million a day is probably on the low side.
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$200m-a-day' cost of Barack Obama's trip to India will be picked up by U.S. taxpayers
By James White
Last updated at 8:59 PM on 2nd November 2010
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Comments (20) Add to My Stories President Obama's trip to India will cost the U.S. $200m-a-day, it was reported today.
The visit - part of a 10-trip to Asia - will take place amid unprecedented levels of security in the city of Mumbai, where terrorists killed at least 173 people two years ago.
Extreme measures to ensure the safety of President Obama will include the complete booking of the 570-room Taj Mahal Hotel for his security entourage.
High security: The visit to India by President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle is reportedly costing the U.S. $200m-a-day
The building saw some of the fiercest fighting between Islamic militant gunmen and security forces during the November 2008 atrocity.
Other precautions include the use of helicopters, US and Indian Navy ships to patrol the Mumbai waterfront and the use of sophisticated surveillance equipment.
The operation will cost the U.S. government the astonishing figure, a top Indian government source told the country's NDTV.
The source said: 'The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit.'
The news channel also claimed only senior bodyguards would be allowed to carry weapons for the visit.
Target: The Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai burns during the 2008 terror attack. President Obama is due to visit the building, which has been booked out by his staff
The source added: 'The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy.'
Details of the three-day visit which begins officially on Saturday are not being confirmed, but Indian Press reported the President was expected to spend the first day visiting the Taj Mahal Hotel and meeting survivors of the attacks.
The second day will reportedly see the President and First Lady meeting Mumbai school children and University students while the final day will involve a trip to New Delhi.
The visit could spark fury in the U.S. where officials are battling to reduce a record budget deficit, and heap further misery on beleaguered Democrats in the mid-term elections.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325990/Obamas-200m-day-India-visit-picked-US-taxpayers.html#ixzz14KM0i8sA
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Sure Michelle, he really cares about the people doesn't he. "Let them eat cake" indeed. What about all those that have lost their jobs and homes Obama? What are you going to do to help these people? A bail out to the banks isn't the answer. Spending billions of their tax dollars on a freebie family holiday isn't going to help them is it? You are a disgrace... finally it looks like America has woken up to your hidden agenda. Enjoy the ride, you're on your way out.
- Lena - xpat, Ramona, CA. USA, 2/11/2010 23:57
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I think this is a slap in the face to ordinary middle class families, that have to cut down on their expenses and maybe not even get to take a vacation with their families. Why does the President have to go there in the first place? It's not like he has to do thiswith so many people. No other President has done such an extravagent trip. It's shamful to spend that kind of money on a trip, when he has caused such a deficit in our economy. It's like, I'm the President and I can do and spend like I please, with no one holding him accountable. We all have to tighten our belts Mr. President, why don't you set the example.
- Gloria, Santa Maria, Ca, 2/11/2010 23:34
Anybody want to keep this guy? We will give him to you for free, actually we will give you the $200m tab! Just give him a nice house some where, Mao's red book, and a free trip to Hawaii every once and awhile and everything will be OK!
- Brigham, Salt Lake City, USA, 2/11/2010 23:29
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Screw him...Let him spend his own money.
- Stephen M Chudej, Plano, Texas, United States, 2/11/2010 20:04
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$200,000,000.00 per day?
2 billion dollars from now? 8 billion?
This clown must go.
- Art, Austin, TX USA, 2/11/2010 19:48
This trip just makes me so angry, I could just spit. 2 Billion for a 10 day vacation. This president needs to go and the senate and congress needs to put the president on a budget. The US never needed a presidential budget before but we never had a president who was so flamboyant and had no regard for those of the US who are unemployed or have lost or losing their homes.
- Grace, Wichita, Kansas, USA, 2/11/2010 19:30
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How many unemployment claims could those several BILLION dollars have paid? How many warplanes could they have bought? Does he think he is a Pasha or Tsar?
- Alan Srout, Des Moines, Iowa USA, 2/11/2010 18:43
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It would be better off if he stayed at home. He is risking not only his own life but the life of other people as well and the extraordinary amount of security and the money it is costing the taxpayers it really is not worth it. The economy in the States is dire so many people are suffering, he should think again and not go.
- Jean ex pat, Florida, U.S.A, 2/11/2010 18:42
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again let them eat cake!
the "enemies" who are legal Americans must tighten their belt, this is just another fine example of the royalty of the Obamas...
- van, usa, 2/11/2010 18:40
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Many poor and needy Americans will be cheered by this wanton waste at a time when jobs and welfare are in decline. Look to Europe and you will see the same waste and needless expenditure being acted out by the EU polticians. Worldwide our so called leaders are living in a different world. It cannot go on ,civil unrest around the globe is just around the corner.
- Dab, Cambs England, 2/11/2010 18:30
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It's time for politicians to stay at home with security being so expensive. Tele conferences would cost a lot less! Time for us to demand that all politicians stay at home. We have the same problem in Canada with Prime Minister HArper. His security costs are way too high. If politicians demand austerity from us we must demand austerity from them!
- Darlene Buckingham, Toronto Canada, 2/11/2010 18:12
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I cannot believe what our so called "leaders" are getting away with. Robbing us blind, telling us what is good for us and what we should want and how to live! I think Obama, Pelosi and Reid, and many other so-called "representatives" of the American people, have sunken to the very depths of depravity, and thus have been a blessing in disguise as we are finally tuned in to what government has been getting away with for so many years. Thank you for reminding us, that instead of you elitists living high on the hog at our expense, should fair no better than we peons, who you supposedly work for. Government is of, by, and for the people. We do not exist so that our reps can live like jet setters and dictate how we should just "grin and bear it, because we are not intelligent enough to do anything about it. Sorry, we have awakened and you will hear us.
- Dorothy, Grafton/USA, 2/11/2010 17:57
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?!?!?! The only thing to say is it is well worth the cost ----- if he will stay there.
- dblatt, orlando-U.S.A., 2/11/2010 17:40
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What a disgusting amount of money to waste on a daily basis. I am truly appalled by that amount of money being spent DAILY!
- Jim, Birmingham, 2/11/2010 17:27
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This, THIS, is why we want him out of our office! Tone deaf, out of touch, resident spender in chief. Yeah, he sure cares alot about those unemployed, uninsured folks in our country. NOT. What a time to travel like this, bowing low and spending deep.
The presidency has been reduced to a 24/7, multi-trillion dollar farce.
- Elly, Oregon, USA, 2/11/2010 17:06
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Hey Barry, thats some job creation. Two hundred mil a day?????
Come on 2012........
- E franklin, winchester, USA, 2/11/2010 17:01
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That's a whopping $2B. Americans are screwed with this tax-and-spend thief in chief.
- govsux, California, USA, 2/11/2010 16:41
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This is absolute BALONEY!!! It is another example of O's elitism, a huge unnecessary expense, and a slap in the face to all US citizenry. The "Marie Antoinette" treatment.
- Jim Reinhardt, Kennewick, WA, USA, 2/11/2010 16:39
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200 m is small beer compared to the US/India 40 billion trade. This figure will rise so I'm sure the American taxpayer will get their money back and more.
- Sandy, leeds, 2/11/2010 16:15
WHAT? WHAT? Is this some sort of a JOKE? Our country is going down the tubes and he is on a $200,000,000 a day vacation in India? HAS THIS COUNTRY LOST THEIR MIND? How in the world can an Obama supporter condone this continued crap????
- DB, Little Rock, AR, US, 2/11/2010 16:05
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How much will this cost?
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Tunnel for Obama near Mani Bhavan
DNA / Pandurang Mhaske / Thursday, November 4, 2010 1:59 IST
It could give a sense of superior American organisation, or be an indicator of a deep-set persecution complex. It could also be a manifestation of Uncle Sam’s penchant for a show of strength.
The matter pertains to US president Barack Obama’s planned visit to Mani Bhavan —the Gandhi museum — on November 6, soon after he reaches Mumbai. On Monday, US secret agents visited the museum to plan Obama’s security detail.
They were accompanied by officers of Mumbai Police and civic officials of the D ward (where Mani Bhavan is located). While inspecting the route and the buildings lining up the route to the museum, the Americans detected a skyscraper near Peddar road and also found the area to be highly populated.
Since it is difficult to monitor such a congested area, they came up with a quick solution which left the Indians accompanying them amazed: A bomb-proof over-ground tunnel — to be installed by US military engineers in just an hour.
The tunnel would be a kilometre long and measure 12ft by 12ft — enough to let Obama’s cavalcade pass through. The tunnel would be centrally air-conditioned, fitted with close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point, including, of course, its entry and exit.
Details about when exactly the tunnel would be made were not forthcoming. But officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Obama leaves the area.
URL of the article: http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_tunnel-for-obama-near-mani-bhavan_1461946-all
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1) trip looks terrible. that 200 mil could hav ebeen spent in gulf region much better.
2) the 911 reference is an accurate one - people died on 911, the investigators called it a whitewash, and if you asked many repubs whether they'd like to see a 911 investigation into 3000 deaths, or an investigation into 3000 vacation - they'd choose the vacation. Those people can suck one. Repeatedly. After cardio session.
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1) trip looks terrible. that 200 mil could hav ebeen spent in gulf region much better.
2) the 911 reference is an accurate one - people died on 911, the investigators called it a whitewash, and if you asked many repubs whether they'd like to see a 911 investigation into 3000 deaths, or an investigation into 3000 vacation - they'd choose the vacation. Those people can suck one. Repeatedly. After cardio session.
We had an investigation. Yes it was flawed and there should be another - but don't act like no one looked in to this.
As for the trip - this is going to be another Waterloo, just like the gaudy Spanish trip was, as was Health Care.
This Admn is so clueless you almost have to wonder if he is trying to be a one termer.
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Obama taking 34 warships to India
New Delhi: The White House will, of course, stay in Washington but the heart of the famous building will move to India when President Barack Obama lands in Mumbai on Saturday.
Communications set-up, nuclear button, a fleet of limousines and majority of the White House staff will be in India accompanying the President on this three-day visit that will cover Mumbai and Delhi.
He will also be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast during his two-day stay there beginning Saturday. The measure has been taken as Mumbai attack in 2008 took place from the sea.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/34-warships-sent-from-us-for-obama-visit-64459
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Unbelievable waste of money.
Like the title of the thread says - F'ING CLUELESS
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200 milion is a bogas number :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Jay Bookman Obama’s supposed ‘$200 million-a-day trip to India’ a case study in pathological lunacy
11:26 am November 4, 2010, by Jay
Credibility no longer matters. Truth no longer matters.
And shame? Shame at being caught selling ridiculous falsehoods and lies? Hah!
Right-wing bloggers, media and politicians have seized on a report on an Indian Internet site, supposedly based on an anonymous estimate from an Indian government official, that President Obama will be spending $200 million a day on his India trip.
Now think about the impossibility of that. Two hundred million bucks a day? As Factcheck.org points out, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan — where we have to arm, equip and provision roughly 100,000 troops in a hostile, barren environment — costs us $190 million a day. The claim is simply too ridiculous to be contemplated, let alone believed.
Yet as the clip above from Fox Business News demonstrates, the absurdity quickly became fuel for the vast right-wing outrage machine. (My favorite part above is where the outraged host, the genius Eric Bolling, insists: “I will tell you unequivocably, I am not making this up, this has been reported, go to the Internet, go take a look.” Really, they gave this guy a microphone and TV time?)
Drudge picked it up. Sean Hannity jumped in on it. Rush Limbaugh has been spreading the meme. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann went on CNN to condemn the expenditure. And the blogosphere? Oh the lunacy!
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. If you’re willing to believe that Obama is a Kenyan Marxist-fascist-anticolonialist black racist who hates America and plots its destruction, what won’t you believe.
But seriously people….
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34 War Ships - THERE AND BACK
3000 flunkies - THERE AND BACK
Dozens of Jets - THERE AND BACK
800 Rooms in the most expensive Hotel in India - WHY?
Advance Teams for weeks of cops, ss, cia, etc etc. - THERE AND BACK
All of the support staff for this crap. THERE AND BACK
My guess is that the number is probably more than $200 Million.
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report on an Indian Internet site, yea i guess they would know :D :D :D :D
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maybe they'll be using the 10,000 jet packs, valued at $100,000 each, that FOX reported LA county was buying for their police force.
No need to check numbers. We report, you repeat.
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its on the internets it must be true :D :D :D :D
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its on the internets it must be true :D :D :D :D
Ok genius
Give me your best guess at the 10 cost of the following:
34 warships including an aircraft carrier.
800 rooms for a week at the most expensive hotel
Cost of travel for 3000 hacks along with obama there and back
Cost of security, military, and advance teams for 10 days
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200 milion is a bogas number :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Jay Bookman Obama’s supposed ‘$200 million-a-day trip to India’ a case study in pathological lunacy
11:26 am November 4, 2010, by Jay
Credibility no longer matters. Truth no longer matters.
And shame? Shame at being caught selling ridiculous falsehoods and lies? Hah!
Right-wing bloggers, media and politicians have seized on a report on an Indian Internet site, supposedly based on an anonymous estimate from an Indian government official, that President Obama will be spending $200 million a day on his India trip.
Now think about the impossibility of that. Two hundred million bucks a day? As Factcheck.org points out, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan — where we have to arm, equip and provision roughly 100,000 troops in a hostile, barren environment — costs us $190 million a day. The claim is simply too ridiculous to be contemplated, let alone believed.
Yet as the clip above from Fox Business News demonstrates, the absurdity quickly became fuel for the vast right-wing outrage machine. (My favorite part above is where the outraged host, the genius Eric Bolling, insists: “I will tell you unequivocably, I am not making this up, this has been reported, go to the Internet, go take a look.” Really, they gave this guy a microphone and TV time?)
Drudge picked it up. Sean Hannity jumped in on it. Rush Limbaugh has been spreading the meme. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann went on CNN to condemn the expenditure. And the blogosphere? Oh the lunacy!
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. If you’re willing to believe that Obama is a Kenyan Marxist-fascist-anticolonialist black racist who hates America and plots its destruction, what won’t you believe.
But seriously people….
where is the part that explains the costs?
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i read on the internets that the starship Enterprise is going to be there incase they need the phasers and photon torpedoes ;D
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Nice response fool.
Lets say its $100 Million Dollars a day, not $200 Million - is that any better?
This is so absurd its not even funny. While i dont like Huck - if heis the guy who can beat Obama in 2012 - SIGN ME UP!
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Be honest you libs - just admit this is beyond nuts.
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Lets say its $100 Million Dollars a day, not $200 Million - is that any better?
Let's say your author just decided to randomly DOUBLE such a number - I'd say it puts the credibility of anything else of this article to doubt. I mean, anytime we're okay with doubling stats to make a point, we're already sitting in the crapper holding in a fart, aren't we?
Aside from that... Obama wants to show that side of the world what a big d1ck he has, how big and tough our military is. If President McCain had decided a nice show of power to an unstable region during a pretty iffy economic era, we'd all be puffing our chests wearing our Team America t-shirts. I mean, he bows, and you bitch. He whips out his military wang for the world do see, and you bitch. Some ppl are never gonna be happy.
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Let's say your author just decided to randomly DOUBLE such a number - I'd say it puts the credibility of anything else of this article to doubt. I mean, anytime we're okay with doubling stats to make a point, we're already sitting in the crapper holding in a fart, aren't we?
Aside from that... Obama wants to show that side of the world what a big d1ck he has, how big and tough our military is. If President McCain had decided a nice show of power to an unstable region during a pretty iffy economic era, we'd all be puffing our chests wearing our Team America t-shirts. I mean, he bows, and you bitch. He whips out his military wang for the world do see, and you bitch. Some ppl are never gonna be happy.
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Please - if this were Sarah doing this - you would be in a coniption fit. Face it - your faux messiah is a complete joke.
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Let's say your author just decided to randomly DOUBLE such a number - I'd say it puts the credibility of anything else of this article to doubt. I mean, anytime we're okay with doubling stats to make a point, we're already sitting in the crapper holding in a fart, aren't we?
Aside from that... Obama wants to show that side of the world what a big d1ck he has, how big and tough our military is. If President McCain had decided a nice show of power to an unstable region during a pretty iffy economic era, we'd all be puffing our chests wearing our Team America t-shirts. I mean, he bows, and you bitch. He whips out his military wang for the world do see, and you bitch. Some ppl are never gonna be happy.
Good god man......give me an f'n break......you are always whine-assing about "fiscal conservatism" and somehow try to justify spending $200 million......f'n million.....a day to go and visit india? Do you understand how such utter stupidity undermines anything half-relevant you say? and no matter who the pres is that is a MASSIVE waste of money......unreal.......
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My opinion is that it's a waste of $.
But I addressed your statement that "Lets say its $100 Million Dollars a day, not $200 Million - is that any better"... which would excuse the author falsifying data by 100%.
it's a major waste of money - as is the trillion a year we spend on defense when our nearest enemy China spends what, 80 billion?
Besides, unless you know all the data - maybe there is a legit reason for that much hardware.
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My opinion is that it's a waste of $.
But I addressed your statement that "Lets say its $100 Million Dollars a day, not $200 Million - is that any better"... which would excuse the author falsifying data by 100%.
it's a major waste of money - as is the trillion a year we spend on defense when our nearest enemy China spends what, 80 billion?
Besides, unless you know all the data - maybe there is a legit reason for that much hardware.
Legit reason? There is NOTHING that justifies that much spending in one day......you say you think its a waste of money, then turn around act like since we don't have the data, it could possibly be legit.......c'mon. Hell, you could say $1 million a day and that would be outrageous....this is just plain obscene....
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240 -is just being stupid - the source is the indian govt and I said $100 just for arguments sake and he is trying to justify it.
there is ZERO excuse for this.
2012- here we come.
ONE AND DONE!
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240 -is just being stupid - the source is the indian govt and I said $100 just for arguments sake and he is trying to justify it.
there is ZERO excuse for this.
2012- here we come.
ONE AND DONE!
Lets come up with reasons why it might be legit......shall we....
He's dropping off his worthless, deadbeat relative.
He's bringing back a gazillion tons of curry.
He's trying to locate his actual birth certificate..... ;D
He's going to learn to play cricket.
He got a job at a call center to help with the employment numbers.
He's looking for that tiny little weightlifter guy.
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oh, i see. we're using the indian govt as the source of our argument intel. But RT is conspiracy crap? LOL!
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Lets come up with reasons why it might be legit......shall we....
He's dropping off his worthless, deadbeat relative.
He's bringing back a gazillion tons of curry.
He's trying to locate his actual birth certificate..... ;D
He's going to learn to play cricket.
He got a job at a call center to help with the employment numbers.
He's looking for that tiny little weightlifter guy.
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oh, i see. we're using the indian govt as the source of our argument intel. But RT is conspiracy crap? LOL!
240 - what do you guess the cost to be?
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i have an MBA and it take me an hour to calculate it - assuming I had every number. salary, cost of operation, insurance, and a lot of it is probably unkonwn.
But we trust some indian journalist's estimate enough to bitch about it?
None of us knows the cost. Anyone bitching about it - using a number - is just silly. You can say its a waste of resources, and I agree. But quantifying it using false data is not the way to go.
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i have an MBA and it take me an hour to calculate it - assuming I had every number. salary, cost of operation, insurance, and a lot of it is probably unkonwn.
But we trust some indian journalist's estimate enough to bitch about it?
None of us knows the cost. Anyone bitching about it - using a number - is just silly. You can say its a waste of resources, and I agree. But quantifying it using false data is not the way to go.
34 warships
800 rooms in 5 star hotel
3000 guests and their travel, airfair, and costs
Advance Security
Take a wild guess 240.
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i have an MBA and it take me an hour to calculate it - assuming I had every number. salary, cost of operation, insurance, and a lot of it is probably unkonwn.
But we trust some indian journalist's estimate enough to bitch about it?
None of us knows the cost. Anyone bitching about it - using a number - is just silly. You can say its a waste of resources, and I agree. But quantifying it using false data is not the way to go.
So now you're asking for hard numbers? I love this game you play.
Let's look at it this way. 34 warships. 800 rooms. 3000+ guests. For Obama to go over there and do what? Piss off India, suck Indonesian Muslim dick and then top it off by no doubt slighting Japan in some way (probably by throwing them under the bus to the Chinese). Either way, that shit's not going to be cheap and isn't needed.
You can guesstimate most of those numbers to give you a ROUGH ESTIMATE pretty easily.
The amount of kneepadding you do for your hero is amusing.
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34 ships is also a bogas number,just because its on the internet doesn't make it true :D :D :D :D :D :D you do know that would be half the seventh fleet :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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240 -
34 warships alone, plus their crew fuel, reszources etc alone has to be MILLIONS a day alone.
800 rooms a day - lets say $300-$500 a day - $240k - 500k - not including room services, security, taxes etc.
3000 peoples' airfare - probably about $4,000,000.00 minimum for coach -
Security detail 500 peeople at least - tens of millions.
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Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell also outright rejected the claim that 34 warships would patrol the Mumbai coast while Obama is in town.
"I think there has been a lot of creative writing that's been done on this trip over the last few days," he said. "We obviously have some support role for presidential travel ... but I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd, this notion that somehow we are deploying 10 percent of the Navy, some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the president's trip to Asia -- that's just comical.
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beck said it, must be true :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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how much for this :D :D
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Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell also outright rejected the claim that 34 warships would patrol the Mumbai coast while Obama is in town.
"I think there has been a lot of creative writing that's been done on this trip over the last few days," he said. "We obviously have some support role for presidential travel ... but I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd, this notion that somehow we are deploying 10 percent of the Navy, some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the president's trip to Asia -- that's just comical.
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beck said it, must be true :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
They are sending an aircraft carrier, dozens of ships, 3000 hacks along with Dear Thief, 500 pre-trip support staff, booked 800 rooms in the hotel, dozens of jets to fly all these hacks over there.
Please GMAFB - OBAMA = ONE AND DONE
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for someone who claims to be smart your pretty gullible ;D
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spock says this post is
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Good grief. This is the kind of thing that will guarantee a one-term presidency.
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link to a credible source with evidence of 34 ships?
Pentagon denies it? Some right-wing blog claims it, and FOX repeats it? is taht what happened here?
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link to a credible source with evidence of 34 ships?
Pentagon denies it? Some right-wing blog claims it, and FOX repeats it? is taht what happened here?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=354311.0
would you please go respond to why youre criticizing a guy for doing something that you said was a necessary evil...
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bohenner had to.
and the tea party will have to fall in line and raise the debt ceiling.
getbiggers will invent ways to defend it, of course.
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bohenner had to.
and the tea party will have to fall in line and raise the debt ceiling.
getbiggers will invent ways to defend it, of course.
LMAO YOU WERE DEFENDING IT...
and now you want to condemn him for it....
something seem wrong there?
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bohenner had to.
and the tea party will have to fall in line and raise the debt ceiling.
getbiggers will invent ways to defend it, of course.
how do you defend arguing for tarp
tony, i think you don't really understand what would happen if AIG, CITI and friends failed. our country would be ruined with no chance of recovery, because nobody would be lending and we'd risk having our interests grabbed up all over the world.
Sure, it's the "right" thing to do. But I think most folks would rather borrow $10 grand from their grandmother when they hit a bad spell, than lose their house and car, just to be "right".
CNBC: jp morgan and goldman are about to start repaying TARP funds, interestingly
and then condemning someone who helped pass it?
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link to a credible source with evidence of 34 ships?
Pentagon denies it? Some right-wing blog claims it, and FOX repeats it? is taht what happened here?
They are saying its not 34 warships, but that does not mean other ships.
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You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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OK, let assume that the figures are incorrect.....what dollar figure per day for this type of trip would you guys be ok with? I'm talking to mainly blacken and 240 here.
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Fox News perpetuates, then debunks the Obama India trip story
November 5th, 2010 4:33 am ET.Do you like this story?
President Obama's trip to India will not cost American taxpayers $200 million each day. The United States Navy will not be sending 34 warships just to defend the President on his trip. Those who watched Anderson Cooper 360, Keith Olbermann's Countdown, or the Rachel Maddow Show all know this truth as all three shows debunked the "Obama India trip" urban legend. Readers of many non-partisan sources including Factcheck.org and Snopes also know that the tale of Obama's extravagant trip to India simply is not true. However, many Fox News viewers of Sean Hanity and Glen Beck may still beleive the myth, since both talk show hosts told the tall tale as if it was a proven fact. Now, Fox News is even contradicting themselves in a recent article which simulataneously perpetuates and debunks the Obama India trip myth.
In a recent article on Obama's trip Fox News begins by describing the vast security apparatus that will be required for the President. Fox News then reiterates the false cost estimate in saying:
"The president will be accompanied by 40 aircraft, 3,000 people, a fleet of cars and 34 warships, according to a string of blow-by-blow news updates. The Press Trust of India quoted an official in the state of Maharashtra pegging the cost at $200 million a day."
What Fox News never says in that article is that the official quoted in that story is anonymous. The same kind of anonymous source that Sarah Palin bashed other journalist for using just a week ago.
People who read only the first half of articles would miss out on the truth in the Fox News story quoted above. Later, in the same story, Fox News actually debunks the very myth it brought up before. Fox News quotes a White House spokesperson as stating,
"The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality. Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated,"
Fox News then confirms from a Pentagon official that 36 warships are not being sent to protect the President. The Pentagon spokesperson stated:
"We obviously have some support role for presidential travel ... but I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd, this notion that somehow we are deploying 10 percent of the Navy, some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the president's trip to Asia -- that's just comical."
Of course, most people will never read the last half of the Fox News article. Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity will also likely never mention the $200 million figure again. As a result, millions of people in their audience will go on believing a blatant lie, and Fox News will now move on to the next distortion.
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If true, I'm happy they aren't wasting that many tax dollars....yet the "can't disclose cost" is total bullshit......of course they could and how would that have an impact? Most likely it will "only" be a $2 million per day trip.... ::)
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LOL @ this thread.
Put this in the "obama fires secret service for racism" and "obama whitey tape" and "jet packs for police force" bullshit stories that fox repeats, and ppl here get all emotional about.
Now, it goes to "how much do YOU think he should be spending>?"
hahahahaha brutal BS story.
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i think the title of this thread says it all F'ING CLUELESS :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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LOL @ this thread.
Put this in the "obama fires secret service for racism" and "obama whitey tape" and "jet packs for police force" bullshit stories that fox repeats, and ppl here get all emotional about.
Now, it goes to "how much do YOU think he should be spending>?"
hahahahaha brutal BS story.
240 - THANK YOU FOR AGAIN MAKING AN ASS OF YOURSELF.
800 rooms for a week in the most expensive hotel
3000 person entourage
500 person security staff
40 planes
Aircraft Carrier
Army building 1 kilometer bomb proof tunnel into the museaum
What do you think that costs?
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i think the title of this thread says it all F'ING CLUELESS :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
So give me a cost estimate:
800 rooms booked for a week in the most expensive hotel.
3000 person entorage
40 planes
500 security staff
1 Kilo bombproof tunnell
Cost of food, fuel, airline tickets, expenses etc for all of this?
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;D
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so basically because the Obama admn wont confirm that its $200,000,000, it could be $150,000,000 and somehow that would be ok?
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Again, where is the part that breaks down the costs?
The president of the united states is taking a ten day trip to india, indonesia, south korea and japan.
Let me rephrase that -
the president of the united states, for his 10 day "business" bonanza is renting out mumbai, new delhi and various other cities in indonesia, s.k. and japan. Can anyone say without an un-adulterated mind that this isnt going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars?
Also, why are hundreds of business excec's taking the trip on taxpayer dime?
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/11/04/general-as-india-obama_8074412.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/11/04/general-as-india-obama_8074412.html?boxes=Homepagebusinessnews)
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LOL @ this thread.
Put this in the "obama fires secret service for racism" and "obama whitey tape" and "jet packs for police force" bullshit stories that fox repeats, and ppl here get all emotional about.
Now, it goes to "how much do YOU think he should be spending>?"
hahahahaha brutal BS story.
I'm going to file it under the "The US govt. flew a hologram into the WTC" and various other CTs you've espoused on here.
Interesting that you have a problem with lack of evidence here but not when it comes to other topics. :-X
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the problem is that this whole story started for political gains.nobody bothered to check the facts, so you have political leaders news stations and nuts on the internet keeping this false story going.anybody with half a brain would know their not going to sent 34 ships, fu k that's half the seventh fleet
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Wow, why do i even post questions to these type of people? Never an answer, just a swerve and "but fox said" like I give a shit what fox said.....idiots.
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Wow, why do i even post questions to these type of people? Never an answer, just a swerve and "but fox said" like I give a shit what fox said.....idiots.
Have you seen blacken's posts? That retard has never had an original thought of his own. If I didn't know any better, I'd say he's a bot written by someone on DU or HP.
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I'm going to file it under the "The US govt. flew a hologram into the WTC" and various other CTs you've espoused on here.
Interesting that you have a problem with lack of evidence here but not when it comes to other topics. :-X
Its only because Obama wont release the cost breakdown.
On the low side - this trip will be $100,000,000.
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what channel do you watch to get your news
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$200 million a day to go over there to piss off a major ally in India.
angry because he was fooled by the story ;D
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what channel do you watch to get your news
I don't watch TV moron.
Again:
800 rooms for week
3000 person entrouage
40 planes
Aircraft Carrier
1 Kilometer bomb proof tunnell
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE COST IS?
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My opinion is that it's a waste of $.
But I addressed your statement that "Lets say its $100 Million Dollars a day, not $200 Million - is that any better"... which would excuse the author falsifying data by 100%.
it's a major waste of money - as is the trillion a year we spend on defense when our nearest enemy China spends what, 80 billion?
Besides, unless you know all the data - maybe there is a legit reason for that much hardware.
You have lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
Whenever I'm certain that you've written the most absurd, ridiculous and overly contrived post.....you come out with another over-the top plate of keyboard vomit that redefines asininity.
You are literally the best in the world at what you do.
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Talking about F'ing clueless:
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here comes obama to india :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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blacken - if Palin did this you and I both know you would be shitting a brick.
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MORE F'ING CLUELESS
ONE AND DONE AT BEST.
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OBAMA TELLS 60 MINS: IT'S NOT POLICIES THAT WERE REJECTED, IT WAS FAILED COMMUNICATION SKILLS...
DRUDGE ^ | November 5, 2010 | Steve Kroft
NEW YORK (CBS) — After a suffering a “shellacking” in the midterm elections, President Obama acknowledges what many have seen as his chief weakness – failing to sell the importance of several legislative milestones to the American people.
“I think that’s a fair argument.
(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...
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MORE F'ING CLUELESS=200milion a day,34 ships :D :D :D :D :D :Dpriceless
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And why wont the obama Admn tell how much this whole fisaco is costing?
40 planes
800 rooms
3000 staffers and entourage
500 security and adavance personell
aircraift carrier
etc etc.
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333386 spinning and digging in :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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I saw where the Pentagon also denied the 24 ships... Pretty shitty that someone just made up some numbers.
According to reports, the numbers are the same as when Clinton or George W. Bush would go overseas.
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angry because he was fooled by the story ;D
Angry over what? That I was wrong? Oh my, it's the end of my world! Fact of the matter is this trip will cost millions of dollars. Maybe not $200 million, but let's cut it to 1/4 of that. That's still $50 million spent on a trip that doesn't need to be spent.
Regardless, weren't you supposed to be banned from here for avoiding a call out?
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And why wont the obama Admn tell how much this whole fisaco is costing?
40 planes
800 rooms
3000 staffers and entourage
500 security and adavance personell
aircraift carrier
etc etc.
Do you still believe the initial report?
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Do you still believe the initial report?
No, i believe it is off, but probably not by all that much. When you tally the cost of 800 rooms for a week at that hotel, cost of airfaire for 3000 people and back plus all their costs and expenses, the 500 securityteam, the cost fo the 1 kilometer tunnel, etc etc, this trip will easily run $100 million by the time its all over.
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No, i believe it is off, but probably not by all that much. When you tally the cost of 800 rooms for a week at that hotel, cost of airfaire for 3000 people and back plus all their costs and expenses, the 500 securityteam, the cost fo the 1 kilometer tunnel, etc etc, this trip will easily run $100 million by the time its all over.
How do you know there are 3 000 people included?
What about the other numbers you mention. What are your sources on those?
Not saying you're wrong. But just being a little curious about these numbers.
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This thread is pretty amusing. People are all up in a tizzy over the supposed lack of hard evidence yet all it takes is a 45 second interview with a crackhead cab driver to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9/11 was staged by the US govt. The ones crying the loudest over this are the same ones who can't produce one iota of hard evidence to prove their 9/11 CT. Looks like they don't like when the shoe is on the other foot. This board never ceases to bring the laughs.
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I'm checking flights now -
Cost for 1 round trip - First Class - anywhere from 7k to 9k
http://www.delta.com/booking/findFlights.do#top
Cost for Coach is $2,000.00
http://www.delta.com/booking/reviseSearch.do;cohrBkgSessID=SA6IlS4T3D2ORLE#top
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So, the minimum airfare alone has a range of anywhere $6,000,000 on the low end and $27,000,000 on the high end.
That is airfare alone and does not include AF1, AF2, the helicopters, and all the other air related costs for Obamas staff.
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This thread is pretty amusing. People are all up in a tizzy over the supposed lack of hard evidence yet all it takes is a 45 second interview with a crackhead cab driver to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9/11 was staged by the US govt. The ones crying the loudest over this are the same ones who can't produce one iota of hard evidence to prove their 9/11 CT. Looks like they don't like when the shoe is on the other foot. This board never ceases to bring the laughs.
I saw the second plane hit WTC live on TV. Never bought into any CT's about it. Always been sceptical about "Terrorplanet", "infowars" and whatever the hell they call themselves.
Just like I'd like to see some real source on this information.
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I'm checking flights now -
Cost for 1 round trip - First Class - anywhere from 7k to 9k
http://www.delta.com/booking/findFlights.do#top
Cost for Coach is $2,000.00
http://www.delta.com/booking/reviseSearch.do;cohrBkgSessID=SA6IlS4T3D2ORLE#top
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So, the minimum airfare alone has a range of anywhere $6,000,000 on the low end and $27,000,000 on the high end.
That is airfare alone and does not include AF1, AF2, the helicopters, and all the other air related costs for Obamas staff.
Again,
how do you know that there are 3 000 people going though?
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Rooms run anywhere from $278 a night to $3,800 a night. Average seems about $450 a night.
https://www.yourreservation.net/ibe/02_taj/main.html;jsessionid=EA26E1A88E464D33BAA76E460BE69AF0.node3?_flowExecutionKey=_c98876C6B-9212-D71E-5E07-FF9B30CC7A8E_kA942B272-774B-A226-564F-D2AEE0B73CCE
They booked the entire hotel for a week - 800 rooms -
800 rooms for a week at 450 a night - equals about 360,000 a day or $2.5 Million. But that does not include food service, drinks, taxes, security, etc. the total for this is probably about $4 Million.
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The cost of Obama going to Chicago and back on AF1 - was $236,000.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-air-force-one-15-jun15,0,2483578.story
695 Miles - or 1400 miles.
So lets say 1500 miles = $236,000
Distance between Mumbai and Washington DC is 8,000 Miles or 16,000 round trip.
So lets say then that the cost just to mumbai and back is $2,517,333.00, but that does not include the cost to infonesia and all the other places.
So the cost of AF1 is at least 3.5 Mill on the low end and probably 6 Million on the high end.
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The cost of Obama going to Chicago and back on AF1 - was $236,000.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-air-force-one-15-jun15,0,2483578.story
695 Miles - or 1400 miles.
So lets say 1500 miles = $236,000
Distance between Mumbai and Washington DC is 8,000 Miles or 16,000 round trip.
http://www.happyzebra.com/m/distance-calculator/index.php?city=Washington%20DC&city2=Mumbai
So lets say then that the cost just to mumbai and back is $2,517,333.00, but that does not include the cost to infonesia and all the other places.
So the cost of AF1 is at least 3.5 Mill on the low end and probably 6 Million on the high end.
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500 security staff.
Lets say they average 65k a year plus benes. Costs the govt probably $400-$550 a day for each of these people on the low end. For all these people for 10 days, just salary alone, you are probably looking at 2 - 5 million dollars, not to mention extras and all sorts of added costs.
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Which hotel is Obama staying at? If it's the Taj Mahal Palace, the hotel has 560 rooms.
http://www.tajhotels.com/Palace/The%20Taj%20Mahal%20Palace%2CMUMBAI/default.htm
A lot of figures are inflated. When I saw the first figure about the warships I doubted that it was accurate. It just did not make sense that so many warships would be sent even for the President of the USA.
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Which hotel is Obama staying at? If it's the Taj Mahal Palace, the hotel has 560 rooms.
http://www.tajhotels.com/Palace/The%20Taj%20Mahal%20Palace%2CMUMBAI/default.htm
A lot of figures are inflated. When I saw the first figure about the warships I doubted that it was accurate. It just did not make sense that so many warships would be sent even for the President of the USA.
I read that it was 800 rooms and that they took over the entire hotel for over a week and sent hundreds of people in advance.
The Army Corp. of Engineers was also sent to building a 1 Kilometer Tunnel to the museum.
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Oh god, you guys are fucking hilarious, fuck off with this nonsense of spending $200 million a day. TURN OFF GLENN BECK FOR FUCKS SAKE:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jnvgjuZmmmbXI-QwUkdw1UrxCzgQ?docId=CNG.e6845d9c6b2c4020d697d067ff57e4ad.431
It's no wonder studies have shown right wingers are prone to believing rumors...
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Oh god, you guys are fucking hilarious, fuck off with this nonsense of spending $200 million a day. TURN OFF GLENN BECK FOR FUCKS SAKE:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jnvgjuZmmmbXI-QwUkdw1UrxCzgQ?docId=CNG.e6845d9c6b2c4020d697d067ff57e4ad.431
It's no wonder studies have shown right wingers are prone to believing rumors...
So, if its not $200 MIllion, which i agree is way overboard, the actual cost is at least $50 Million a day at least, which is also almost criminal.
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So, if its not $200 MIllion, which i agree is way overboard, the actual cost is at least $50 Million a day at least, which is also almost criminal.
Wrong again, do you not read or what?
The White House bluntly dismissed the cost estimate, and said that the price tag for security was similar to trips for previous presidents, without offering a specific figure.
So lets take a similar trip Clinton took to Africa adjusted for 2010 inflation:
11 day trip with 1300 people to Africa for Clinton: $5.2 million/day
Obama's India trip:
9 days x 3000 people: A very liberal estimate of about $11 million a day.
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Wrong again, do you not read or what?
So lets take a similar trip Clinton took to Africa adjusted for 2010 inflation:
11 day trip with 1300 people to Africa for Clinton: $5.2 million/day
Obama's India trip:
9 days x 3000 people: A very liberal estimate of about $11 million a day.
Ok x 10 days = 100 Million
Lets say $100 Million is the true figure - dont you see how people are uttlery sick of this shit at this point?
and its not only this - its the africa trip -the spain trip - the trips for a date, etc etc.
How you libs dont get it yet is beyond me.
After Teusday i would have thought some of you would wake up to reality, but i guess not.
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sorry 3333, looks like you got spanked in this thread. The right flips out and demands members of the "liberal media" get their asses canned when they don't check sources and facts before promoting them as true and some have lost their jobs over pulling shit like this. That seems to absolutely be the case with the claims made here lol... Glenn Glenn Glenn... lol...
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Ok x 10 days = 100 Million
Lets say $100 Million is the true figure - dont you see how people are uttlery sick of this shit at this point?
and its not only this - its the africa trip -the spain trip - the trips for a date, etc etc.
How you libs dont get it yet is beyond me.
After Teusday i would have thought some of you would wake up to reality, but i guess not.
Well I guess you would just have him sit in the white house all day long and sign papers, talk to people on the phone, etc. No, god forbid he actually goes out to one of the fastest developing modern countries in Asia who has been our ally and supporter about furthering not only political but economical ties.
Yes, you're right, none of that is important at all. He's not a regular guy, you can't just stick him on a Singapore airlines and fly him coach to fucking Mumbai.
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sorry 3333, looks like you got spanked in this thread. The right flips out and demands members of the "liberal media" get their asses canned when they don't check sources and facts before promoting them as true and some have lost their jobs over pulling shit like this. That seems to absolutely be the case with the claims made here lol... Glenn Glenn Glenn... lol...
I posted the sources that everyone else used. I posted three seperate articles. i agree the $200 Million is too high, but WWWTTFFF - this trip will cost at least $100 Million before all is said and done - and you far left morons act like its ok since it did not cost $2 Billion instead? ::) ::)
Funny considering we spent a week on palin spending 150k on clothes, but when its hundreds of millions with dear leader - its all good.
No wonder you stupid leftists are still in the complete dark why you lost so roundly this week. Keep it up. Seriously -
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I posted the sources that everyone else used. I posted three seperate articles. i agree the $200 Million is too high, but WWWTTFFF - this trip will cost at least $100 Million before all is said and done - and you far left morons act like its ok since it did not cost $2 Billion instead? ::) ::)
Funny considering we spent a week on palin spending 150k on clothes, but when its hundreds of millions with dear leader - its all good.
No wonder you stupid leftists are still in the complete dark why you lost so roundly this week. Keep it up. Seriously -
A) I'm not a leftist or a liberal.
B) Posting links without doing 5 minutes of research is the issue at hand here. You got all worked up and everyone else with you about something that is completely fabricated and a non issue.
C) Palin is a nobody, she's not the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. You can't even put her and the president in the same sentence when it comes to this topic.
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Well I guess you would just have him sit in the white house all day long and sign papers, talk to people on the phone, etc. No, god forbid he actually goes out to one of the fastest developing modern countries in Asia who has been our ally and supporter about furthering not only political but economical ties.
Yes, you're right, none of that is important at all. He's not a regular guy, you can't just stick him on a Singapore airlines and fly him coach to fucking Mumbai.
I prefer him to actually do something good for the business community and taxpayer - no pursue quixotic crap that 90% of the people think is beyond insane like Card Check, Cap & Trade, etc.
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I prefer him to actually do something good for the business community and taxpayer - no pursue quixotic crap that 90% of the people think is beyond insane like Card Check, Cap & Trade, etc.
You just don't realize how important India is in the grand scheme of things, do you?
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I posted the sources that everyone else used. I posted three seperate articles. i agree the $200 Million is too high, but WWWTTFFF - this trip will cost at least $100 Million before all is said and done - and you far left morons act like its ok since it did not cost $2 Billion instead? ::) ::)
Funny considering we spent a week on palin spending 150k on clothes, but when its hundreds of millions with dear leader - its all good.
No wonder you stupid leftists are still in the complete dark why you lost so roundly this week. Keep it up. Seriously -
don't let the point of my post fly right over your head... oops to late :D
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I'm far from an Obama fan, but people in congress and the media should check their sources before starting rumors like these:
Is President Obama's trip to India really going to cost $200 million a day?
That's the number making the rounds among the president's conservative critics, including potential 2012 Obama challenger Mike Huckabee and U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), as the president takes off Friday for a 10-day trip to Asia.
Huckabee made the claim to Fox News on Tuesday night (citing "reports") and in the social media sphere. "Reports say that Obama's trip to Mumbai, India tomorrow will cost taxpayers $200 million dollars a day - come to think of it, that's much less than Obama's been spending here," Huckabee wrote in a Facebook message Tuesday night (misstating the day of Obama's departure). "So maybe it's not a bad thing he's leaving."
On Wednesday, Bachmann repeated the claim on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360." "Within a day or so the president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day," Bachmann told Cooper. "He's taking 2,000 people with him. He'll be renting out over 870 rooms in India. And these are five-star hotel rooms at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel. This is the kind of over-the-top spending. It's a very small example, Anderson."
The only problem: The claims appear to be wrong.
The numbers evidently originate with the Press Trust of India, whose report was linked on the Drudge Report and picked up by Fox News host Glenn Beck. The news agency also wrongly said that the White House had blocked off the entire Taj Mahal Palace hotel for Obama's visit and that the U.S. was stationing 34 warships—roughly 10 percent of the naval fleet--off the coast of Mumbai for security reasons.
The agency attributed the $200 million figure to an anonymous Indian government official. It didn't attribute the warships claim to any source.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell called the warship claim "absolutely absurd." "That's just comical," he said at Thursday's Pentagon news briefing. "Nothing close to that is being done."
The White House, meanwhile, issued a blanket statement that the $200 million figure "had no basis in reality" and was "wildly inflated." The press office declined to disclose the trip's actual cost, citing "security concerns."
In a news briefing Thursday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs also refused to release numbers, but he told reporters point-blank, "We are not spending $200 million a day."
The nonpartisan FactCheck.org took up the issue, too, saying that even though the administration won't release a price tag, there is "simply no evidence to support" a claim of $200 million a day. One reason to doubt the report, according to the group: The entire war in Afghanistan costs $190 million a day.
That is not to say that some of the precautions for Obama's first presidential visit to India aren't possibly a tad over the top. As the BBC reports, Indian officials have been removing coconuts from any trees that Obama might walk under, to prevent anything from falling on the presidential head. And as London's Daily Telegraph notes, the country has deployed trained monkey catchers to prevent any "simian invasion" (a measure that Indian officials also took when President Bush visited in 2006).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101105/el_yblog_upshot/citing-shady-numbers-republicans-take-aim-at-the-cost-of-obamas-trip-to-india
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A) I'm not a leftist or a liberal.
B) Posting links without doing 5 minutes of research is the issue at hand here. You got all worked up and everyone else with you about something that is completely fabricated and a non issue.
C) Palin is a nobody, she's not the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. You can't even put her and the president in the same sentence when it comes to this topic.
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Palin only helped wrestle away the house of reps from that communist bitch pelosi, get rand, toomey, rubio, johnson, and many house members elected.
I'm seriously wondering if you libs are actually living on the same planet as everyone else. She got 30-43 people elected and the GOP picked up between 61-65 house seats and 19 state legisltatures and you are still trashing her? hah aha h -
Obama got sestak to lose, ohio, pa, and va to go back to the GOP, etc etc. Over 50% of the nation hates his agenda and the best you can do is trash her? ha ha ha ha.
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Is President Obama's trip to India really going to cost $200 million a day?
That's the number making the rounds among the president's conservative critics, including potential 2012 Obama challenger Mike Huckabee and U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), as the president takes off Friday for a 10-day trip to Asia.
Huckabee made the claim to Fox News on Tuesday night (citing "reports") and in the social media sphere. "Reports say that Obama's trip to Mumbai, India tomorrow will cost taxpayers $200 million dollars a day - come to think of it, that's much less than Obama's been spending here," Huckabee wrote in a Facebook message Tuesday night (misstating the day of Obama's departure). "So maybe it's not a bad thing he's leaving."
On Wednesday, Bachmann repeated the claim on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360." "Within a day or so the president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day," Bachmann told Cooper. "He's taking 2,000 people with him. He'll be renting out over 870 rooms in India. And these are five-star hotel rooms at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel. This is the kind of over-the-top spending. It's a very small example, Anderson."
The only problem: The claims appear to be wrong.
The numbers evidently originate with the Press Trust of India, whose report was linked on the Drudge Report and picked up by Fox News host Glenn Beck. The news agency also wrongly said that the White House had blocked off the entire Taj Mahal Palace hotel for Obama's visit and that the U.S. was stationing 34 warships—roughly 10 percent of the naval fleet--off the coast of Mumbai for security reasons.
The agency attributed the $200 million figure to an anonymous Indian government official. It didn't attribute the warships claim to any source.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell called the warship claim "absolutely absurd." "That's just comical," he said at Thursday's Pentagon news briefing. "Nothing close to that is being done."
The White House, meanwhile, issued a blanket statement that the $200 million figure "had no basis in reality" and was "wildly inflated." The press office declined to disclose the trip's actual cost, citing "security concerns."
In a news briefing Thursday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs also refused to release numbers, but he told reporters point-blank, "We are not spending $200 million a day."
The nonpartisan FactCheck.org took up the issue, too, saying that even though the administration won't release a price tag, there is "simply no evidence to support" a claim of $200 million a day. One reason to doubt the report, according to the group: The entire war in Afghanistan costs $190 million a day.
That is not to say that some of the precautions for Obama's first presidential visit to India aren't possibly a tad over the top. As the BBC reports, Indian officials have been removing coconuts from any trees that Obama might walk under, to prevent anything from falling on the presidential head. And as London's Daily Telegraph notes, the country has deployed trained monkey catchers to prevent any "simian invasion" (a measure that Indian officials also took when President Bush visited in 2006).
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101105/el_yblog_upshot/citing-shady-numbers-republicans-take-aim-at-the-cost-of-obamas-trip-to-india
The problem is that when Gibbs was asked point blank what this was going to cost - he punted and would not answer.
So on the low side - its $100,000,000.00 but on the high side - we dont even know.
So yeah - lets cheer this you morons - cant wait till 2012 - the "progressive" and "liberal" cause is completely finished. Keep cheering on the thief. QE2 anyone?
suckers.
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Palin only helped wrestle away the house of reps from that communist bitch pelosi, get rand, toomey, rubio, johnson, and many house members elected.
I'm seriously wondering if you libs are actually living on the same planet as everyone else. She got 30-43 people elected and the GOP picked up between 61-65 house seats and 19 state legisltatures and you are still trashing her? hah aha h -
Obama got sestak to lose, ohio, pa, and va to go back to the GOP, etc etc. Over 50% of the nation hates his agenda and the best you can do is trash her? ha ha ha ha.
What does any of that have to do with this topic? Oh right, you are trying to change the subject. Oops, almost had me ::)
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What does any of that have to do with this topic? Oh right, you are trying to change the subject. Oops, almost had me ::)
You said she was powerless. ::) ::)
Keep thinking that genius. 2012 is going to be another rude awakening for the far left.
As for this story story - so lets say the 10 day trip costs $100,000,000.00 - is it worth it just so Obama can get a photo op in a museum all while he promotes outsourcing of all our jobs to SE Asia?
And please test me on this - go ahead -
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You said she was powerless. ::) ::)
Keep thinking that genius. 2012 is going to be another rude awakening for the far left.
As for this story story - so lets say the 10 day trip costs $100,000,000.00 - is it worth it just so Obama can get a photo op in a museum all while he promotes outsourcing of all our jobs to SE Asia?
And please test me on this - go ahead -
I said compared to the president of the most powerful nation in the world, she's a nobody. Which in relation to this topic of international travel, is true. You start bringing up a bunch of other shit that has no relevance to this thread whatsoever in a poor attempt of glazing over the fact that I just proved your entire thread and your foot stomping to be irrelevant and baseless.
If you think this trip is just about a photo op then you truly are clueless.
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I said compared to the president of the most powerful nation in the world, she's a nobody. Which in relation to this topic of international travel, is true. You start bringing up a bunch of other shit that has no relevance to this thread whatsoever in a poor attempt of glazing over the fact that I just proved your entire thread and your foot stomping to be irrelevant and baseless.
If you think this trip is just about a photo op then you truly are clueless.
I think it is about him begging India to buy our bonds because the Chinese are not going to do so much longer to keep funding our insane deficits and spending spree.
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Oh god, you guys are fucking hilarious, fuck off with this nonsense of spending $200 million a day. TURN OFF GLENN BECK FOR FUCKS SAKE:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jnvgjuZmmmbXI-QwUkdw1UrxCzgQ?docId=CNG.e6845d9c6b2c4020d697d067ff57e4ad.431
It's no wonder studies have shown right wingers are prone to believing rumors...
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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336, Emmortal or anyone.
Where do you get this 3 000 staff number from?
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336, Emmortal or anyone.
Where do you get this 3 000 staff number from?
The articles I posted. plus, when they asked the WH about this, they only disputed the 34 Warship claim, nothing else.
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india emailed him and rush told him so ;D
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india emailed him and rush told him so ;D
no, the three articles I posted told me so, and other than the base denials from Gibbs, they have not dissproved anything.
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admit your wrong your making yourself look like a fool ;D
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So, if its not $200 MIllion, which i agree is way overboard, the actual cost is at least $50 Million a day at least, which is also almost criminal.
You had zero basis for the 200 mil number, and you have zero basis for this new 50 mil figure you've settled on.
LMAO.
You're just pulling numbers out of thin air now, saying "I bet it's 200, i'm pissed. Even if its 100, I'm pissed. Even at 50, I am pissed."
Until we know the cost and exactly what is involved, what's the complaint? Aside from that, he's the most powerful man in the world, fighting a global effort to unite $ and kill the buck... I think he needs a little more than a rowboat when his entire security team is on water and air, without the logistical support (and ability to hide) of local land-based resources.
You know how many nutjobs with a boat full of C4 would love to crash his party? So he has a lot of ships to protect him - Yes, that's a damn good idea. If mccain was doing it, I'd want him to have the same protections. You forget in the city, the POTUS is invisible until a single arrival, and he can leave from any number of exits. In this case, you essentially have the most powerful man in the planet exposed to any number of unkonwn enemies on open water. No cameras, no nothing.
And, youre discounting the possibility he's only using 10% of that force, but they're making big claims to deter nutjobs from trying anything. ;)
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admit your wrong your making yourself look like a fool ;D
I said the number is off, but its still an atrocious amount of $$$$.
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You had zero basis for the 200 mil number, and you have zero basis for this new 50 mil figure you've settled on.
LMAO.
You're just pulling numbers out of thin air now, saying "I bet it's 200, i'm pissed. Even if its 100, I'm pissed. Even at 50, I am pissed."
Until we know the cost and exactly what is involved, what's the complaint? Aside from that, he's the most powerful man in the world, fighting a global effort to unite $ and kill the buck... I think he needs a little more than a rowboat when his entire security team is on water and air, without the logistical support (and ability to hide) of local land-based resources.
You know how many nutjobs with a boat full of C4 would love to crash his party? So he has a lot of ships to protect him - Yes, that's a damn good idea. If mccain was doing it, I'd want him to have the same protections. You forget in the city, the POTUS is invisible until a single arrival, and he can leave from any number of exits. In this case, you essentially have the most powerful man in the planet exposed to any number of unkonwn enemies on open water. No cameras, no nothing.
And, youre discounting the possibility he's only using 10% of that force, but they're making big claims to deter nutjobs from trying anything. ;)
He should not be going in the first place.
Second - did you read any of my posts trying to break down some of the costs?
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333386 spinning and digging in :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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He should not be going in the first place.
Second - did you read any of my posts trying to break down some of the costs?
to be clear - is this the first time we'd complained about the POTUS security cost? When Dubya went to the olympics to get drunk and slap asses with volleyball - how many threads were there on it?
world leaders want a single currency. Obama stands in their way. Not to mention a million other reasons they hate the USA. Shit yes, I want his ass to have 50 warships when traveling. Same with Thune when he wins in 2012. Same with Bayh in 2020 when his ass wins (or whoever).
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to be clear - is this the first time we'd complained about the POTUS security cost? When Dubya went to the olympics to get drunk and slap asses with volleyball - how many threads were there on it?
world leaders want a single currency. Obama stands in their way. Not to mention a million other reasons they hate the USA. Shit yes, I want his ass to have 50 warships when traveling. Same with Thune when he wins in 2012. Same with Bayh in 2020 when his ass wins (or whoever).
You forgot the
"this is spin"
at the end of your post. ;D
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hey, when i put the disclaimer, nobody argues LMAO...
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hey, when i put the disclaimer, nobody argues LMAO...
;D ;D ;D
240 - what do you guess the cost of all this is?
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;D ;D ;D
240 - what do you guess the cost of all this is?
We'll never see the real security measures used for, oh, 100% of the President's visits to any place. So without that data, you'll never know the real costs.
Unless you want your friend at WIKIleaks publishing the details of the POTUS secret service so Al-Q can read it? ;)
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We'll never see the real security measures used for, oh, 100% of the President's visits to any place. So without that data, you'll never know the real costs.
Unless you want your friend at WIKIleaks publishing the details of the POTUS secret service so Al-Q can read it? ;)
Give me a guestimate of range - i looked up airline tix, rooms in the hotel, etc and came up with a figure - what about you?
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it woudl be absolutely silly to think a foreign leader wouldn't be able to acquire a block of a hotel without paying the per-room rate.
Same with every other detail.
It would be silly to think we know anything about how many ppl are used in what capacity. Hell, obama might fly quietly while that whole target rich environment scoots around.
Unless you personally complained that Bush used tax dollars to drink, stumble, then giggle and slap the ass of female volleyball players - you don't have much room to complain of the price tag of POTUS doing actual business.
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it woudl be absolutely silly to think a foreign leader wouldn't be able to acquire a block of a hotel without paying the per-room rate.
Same with every other detail.
It would be silly to think we know anything about how many ppl are used in what capacity. Hell, obama might fly quietly while that whole target rich environment scoots around.
Unless you personally complained that Bush used tax dollars to drink, stumble, then giggle and slap the ass of female volleyball players - you don't have much room to complain of the price tag of POTUS doing actual business.
Best i can remember - we were not in a fiscal crisis at that time. either way - did Bush take 3000 people with him to the volleyball court?
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Best i can remember - we were not in a fiscal crisis at that time.
Aug 24, 2008, we were not in a financial crisis?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, the floor didn't fall out for another 3 weeks... LMAO... but we were bailing out companies and industries left and right.
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The articles I posted. plus, when they asked the WH about this, they only disputed the 34 Warship claim, nothing else.
Sorry for changing the topic a little bit.
But do you, in hindsight, see the X million dollars/day (I don't have a true figure, and I won't make one up) spent on the wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan as a waste?
I know you initially supported the Iraq invasion and the military occupation of the area. Just wondering if you think the money spent invading Iraq was worth it?
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The $200m a day Obama roadshow: President heads to India...with a mini-America in tow
The London Daily Mail ^ | November 6, 2010 | Michael Hanlon
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 11:13:57 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Probably not since the days of the Pharaohs or the more ludicrous Roman Emperors has a head of state travelled in such pomp and expensive grandeur as the President of the United States of America.
While lesser mortals – the Pope, Queen Elizabeth and so on – are usually happy to let their hosts handle most of the security and transport arrangements when they venture beyond their home shores, the United States creates a mini-America on the move to ensure that nothing is left to chance.
Today, Barack Obama arrives in India at the start of a ten-day tour of Asia. At the heart of the White House caravan is ‘The Beast’, a gigantic, ‘pimped-up’ General Motors Cadillac which security experts say is, short of an actual battle tank, probably the safest road vehicle on the planet.
But an outlandish car is only the start. Mr Obama will fly, of course, on Air Force One, the presidential private jumbo jet, which, boasting double beds and suites, is fitted out more like a luxury yacht. Some reports suggest it costs around $50,000 (£31,000) an hour to operate.
Of course threats can come from any direction, so a squadron of U.S. naval ships will patrol offshore. Some reports have claimed that 34 ships, including two aircraft carriers, will be involved (not far off the size of the Royal Navy’s entire Surface Fleet) but the White House has denied this.
On land, as well as The Beast, Mr Obama’s entourage will travel in a fleet of 45 U.S.-built armoured limousines, half of which will be decoys. He will also travel with 30 elite sniffer dogs, mostly German Shepherds.
The White House has, according to some reports, booked the entire Taj Mahal Palace Hotel in Mumbai, the city’s most luxurious....
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Obama India Trip: Economic Profiting by Obama’s Adviser GE CEO Jeff Immelt
November 5, 2010
By LBG1
Pentagon debunks India press report of 34 warships guarding Obama
GE CEO and Obama adviser Jeff Immelt – GE, outsourcing jobs to India
We’d like to thank the news agencies in India for their erroneous reports because without the $200 million per day claim and the ’34 warships’, the questions about the Obama trip to India cost would never have been raised by a curiously lackadaisical MSM. If we hadn’t cited the India news reports the White House wouldn’t have been asked by the MSM if the reports were true. Today the spokesman for the Pentagon debunked the 34 warships claim. Obama Press Secretary denied the Obama trip to India cost was ‘$200 million’.
There’s times when you have to take a circuitous route in order to get to the truth. Thanks to the erroneous reports from the India press we’ve gotten responses to the India press reports with no real answers to the actual cost of the trip. The truth, the cost of Obama’s trip to India and the number of people, excluding security, including the media, who are accompanying the President on this trip? Based on responses by Obama Press Secretary Robert Gibbs we still don’t know the ‘cost’ of the trip other than, according to Gibbs, it’s in the range of the cost of trips made by Bush and Clinton. We don’t how many people excluding security who will travel with the President. There’s a part of the itinerary which the MSM, excluding the Wall Street Journal, have shown zero interest in, the planned ‘economic summit’ in Mumbai which includes representatives from 250 companies in the U.S. including Obama’s adviser and pal, GE Chairman and CEO Jeff Immelt.
Wall Street Journal, Who’s Who at the Mumbai Profitpalooza:
Representatives from around 250 U.S. companies are part of Mr. Obama’s extended entourage during his visit to India which starts Saturday. Much of his first day here will be focused on America’s business bonds with India.
The corporate chiefs will attend the U.S.-India Business Council’s Business and Entrepreneurship Summit at the Oberoi Hotel in South Mumbai that Mr. Obama will also attend.
Among those expected to take the stage at the profitpalooza are Terry McGraw, the USIBC’s chairman and chief executive of McGraw-Hill Cos. as well as India’s richest man, Mukesh Ambani. Also among those expected to speak are: Jeffrey Immelt, chairman and CEO of General Electric; Anand Mahindra, vice chairman of the Mahindra Group; Indra Nooyi, chairman of PepsiCo; and Rajan Bharti Mittal, vice chairman of Bharti Enterprises.
Will the MSM ask the White House why Immelt, an adviser to the President, will attend an economic summit where GE stands to land even more lucrative contracts with India? A summit attended by Obama?
The questions about Obama who has an adviser whose company has been outsourcing jobs to India during the worst recession since the Great Depression?
Rediff.com, June 17, 2009:
Bhupesh Bhandari
All aircraft engines need to be put through rigorous tests before they are sold. What will happen in case of a bird hit, or if a fan blade disengages? Done physically, each of these tests can cost up to $15 million.
And each test has to be carried out under different conditions. This can burn hundreds of millions of dollars.
General Electric, the world’s leading maker of aircraft engines, carries out all such tests on computers in an industrial estate in Bangalore at a fraction of the cost and time.
As a result, GE hopes to roll out four or five new engines over the next five years. An engine can take up to 20 years to develop. Nobody has ever flooded the market with so many engines in a span of just five years.
One can only imagine the reaction of the liberal media elite if Bush, as President, appointed as an adviser the head of Halliburton. Bush and the head of Halliburton attending an economic summit in the Middle East.
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Bloomberg
Immelt Wants Obama to ‘Sell Hard’ When in Indonesia (Update2)
March 18, 2010, 5:02 PM EDT
GE Tells Obama ‘Sell Hard’ in Indonesia With China in Pursuit
By Daniel Ten Kate and Stuart Biggs
March 18 (Bloomberg) -- General Electric Co. Chief Executive Jeffrey Immelt wants Barack Obama to “sell hard” in Indonesia as he extols U.S. expertise in industries such as clean energy. He may have to play catch-up -- Premier Wen Jiabao will make China’s sales pitch in Jakarta next month.
President Obama’s trip to his childhood home, which has now been delayed until at least June, will be key to a pledge to boost U.S. exports and “lead the global economy” in providing alternatives to fossil fuels. Southeast Asia’s biggest economy, which Immelt included last week among nations that may provide the growth “surprise” of the next decade, has the world’s largest geothermal reserves.
Winning orders for plants that harness the earth’s heat to produce electricity is a test of the U.S.’s ability to compete with China for exports in a region where its investments lag the European Union and Japan. China profited from Indonesia’s earlier energy needs, supplying coal-fired plants in the last decade, said Ravi Krishnaswamy, Singapore-based Asia-Pacific director for Frost & Sullivan, an energy consultancy.
“It’s sort of scary because China has moved so quickly and they’ve been so efficient in developing their industry,” said Peter du Pont, who runs an Asia clean-energy program in Bangkok funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development. The U.S. risks “losing whole markets if they’re not active,” he said.
‘Ring of Fire’
Indonesia’s more than 17,000 islands straddle the Pacific’s “ring of fire” of active volcanoes, providing a key source of energy. Chevron Corp., Houston-based Halliburton Co. and Osaka- based Itochu Corp. are among companies that will sponsor the World Geothermal Congress on the resort island of Bali next month.
Indonesia was Asia’s third-fastest growing economy behind China and India last year. The government of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono plans to spend $17.3 billion to meet power demand by adding 10,000 megawatts of capacity -- equivalent to 10 nuclear plants -- with more than half coming from cleaner sources including geothermal energy.
Trip Postponed
Obama’s visit, originally scheduled for next week, is being postponed because of this weekend’s vote in Congress on his health care plan, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said today. The president will try to reschedule the trip for June, Gibbs said.
The delay will mean that issues of trade and investment between the U.S. and Indonesia will just “stay on the table,” said Murray Hiebert, senior director for Asia at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington.
“The business community was hoping it would give him an opportunity” to raise the question of investment barriers, Hiebert said in an interview.
Still, U.S. businesses competing in Indonesia won’t be harmed by the delay in Obama’s visit because most Indonesians will understand the reason for it, said Michael Orgill, manager for Indonesia at the U.S.-ASEAN Business Council in Washington. “They understand the domestic politics of what’s going on here in terms of health care,” he said.
The Obama visit will be preceded in May by U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke’s trade missions to Indonesia and China. “Indonesia is going to be a vast, steady market for green technologies,” Locke said in a speech in Washington yesterday. “There are regional neighbors, for instance, like China and India that are racing with us to meet Indonesia and the world’s demand for renewable energy.”
Wen is set to make his first visit to Indonesia in April, according to Indonesia’s Foreign Ministry.
“In a time when millions of Americans are out of work, boosting our exports is a short-term imperative,” Obama said last week at the annual meeting of the U.S. Export-Import Bank in Washington.
U.S. Too ‘Timid’
Speaking at the same conference, Immelt faulted the U.S. government for being too “timid” on selling exports. He urged Obama to push the company’s freight locomotives, telling him to “sell hard.”
GE is involved in projects in Indonesia ranging from geothermal plants to turning landfill waste to energy, said Gatot Prawiro, GE Energy’s power & water growth director for the country. Indonesia’s demand for power has outpaced generation by 8 percent a year for the past decade, Prawiro said in an e-mail, citing the state power utility.
“At GE, we believe that a large part of this demand can be met by cleaner energy,” he said, adding that Indonesia must clarify regulations to facilitate investment.
Geothermal Plant
Five months ago, Fairfield-Connecticut-based GE loaned $50 million to a subsidiary of Indonesian energy developer Star Energy to help finance a 220-megawatt geothermal plant in Java.
America’s largest companies are seeking to gain a foothold, judging from a U.S.-Asean Business Council trade mission to Indonesia in January. The trip included 62 executives from 27 businesses, including Atlanta-based Coca-Cola Co. and Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft Corp., who sought opportunities in communications, energy and health, Michael Orgill, the council’s manager for Indonesia, said in an interview.
Climate change and clean energy are part of a “comprehensive partnership” that Obama plans to sign with Yudhoyono. The accord also aims to strengthen democracy in the world’s biggest Muslim nation and improve security ties as Indonesia fights terrorists who bombed luxury hotels and tourist spots, including Bali, in the past decade.
‘Comparative Advantage’
“Our two presidents are somewhat likeminded on climate change,” Indonesian Trade Minister Mari Pangestu said in a Feb. 28 interview. “We believe the U.S. has a comparative advantage in a lot of the renewable energy areas, so we hope there can be investments.”
San Ramon, California-based Chevron already manages two geothermal projects in Indonesia and is considering a third.
“The international community is coming to believe that Indonesia is seeing a turnaround,” Krishnaswamy said. “It’s too big a market to ignore.”
Indonesia’s gross domestic product rose 4.5 percent last year and the benchmark stock index increased 123 percent in dollar terms, making it Asia’s best performer.
The U.S. share of foreign direct investment in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations fell to 5 percent in 2008 from 28 percent a decade ago. The U.S. invested $3.01 billion in Asean in 2008, compared with the European Union’s $13.1 billion and Japan’s $7.16 billion, the group’s statistics show.
--With assistance from Mark Drajem, Hans Nichols and Roger Runningen in Washington and Greg Ahlstrand in Jakarta. Editors: Patrick Harrington, Ken Fireman, Ann Hughey.
To contact the reporter on this story: Daniel Ten Kate in Bangkok at dtenkate@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Bill Austin at billaustin@bloomberg.net
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Bomb-proof tunnel with air conditioning: Obama's security go to extraordinary measures..
The London Daily Mail ^ | November 6, 2010 | Staff
* American warships to patrol off Mumbai during visit
* Coconuts removed from trees as a precaution
* 250 U.S. business executives with Obama on 'biggest ever trade mission'
* $200million Asia trip cost denied but the President will have huge entourage
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It is also reported that a bomb-proof tunnel will be erected for Mr Obama ahead of his visit to Mani Bhavan - the Gandhi museum - on Saturday.
According to Daily News & Analysis, U.S. secret service agents visited the museum on Monday to plan Mr Obama's security during his tour. They were accompanied by Mumbai Police officers and civic officials of the D ward where Mani Bhavan is located. While they were inspecting the route and the buildings lining the path to the museum, U.S. security officers noticed a nearby skyscraper in the highly populated area that could pose a threat. To the amazement of the Indians accompanying the U.S. agents, it was apparently decided to erect a bomb-proof over-ground tunnel, which will be installed by U.S. military engineers in just an hour. The kilometre-long tunnel will measure 12ft by 12ft and will have air-conditioning, close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point. It's being built so it is large enough for Mr Obama's cavalcade to pass through and will be manned at its entry and exit points.
The material that the tunnel would be made of has not been released but officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Mr Obama and his party leaves the area...
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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Great links 3386.
It seems like there are at least 250 persons going.
But according to your sources, those are employees of private corporations.
Or are you saying that their plane tickets are paid by the government? That would be really sensational IMO.
According to your articles, there is still no figure on how much the trip will cost.
As for the whole idea of Obama's trip to India.
It would be interesting to see a review of the trip in six months or a year. See if it paid off.
I think it's good that expenses for politicians are being investigated. Always.
But there is a big problem when it's started off by what seems like a lie.
And it sucks to read that some journalists - in one of the articles you posted 3366 - doesn't seem to care too much about that lie.
What would be interesting right now, is to see a review of that Indonesian trip (earlier this year) and how it played out for the tax payers.
Did it help export/import?
What is the payback?
The question shouldn't be - how much does it cost.
But rather - what do we get for it?
What will the US tax payers get from Obama going to India?
I think that's the real issue.
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Taj Hotel caters to Obama's sweet tooth
NDTV ^ | November 6, 2010
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Mumbai: The management at Taj Mahal Palace Hotel is leaving no stone unturned to make US President Barack Obama's stay in the city 'sweet' and special.
Sources said chefs have been working for almost 24 hours to prepare an exclusive chocolate box for the president and his entourage. Interestingly, the box itself will be made of chocolate.
The chefs want to ensure the president has the choicest assortment of desserts in his suite.
"The chefs are working day and night to complete preparations before the president arrives in the hotel today.
The hotel is doing everything possible to give him a warm welcome," said the source on condition of anonymity.
"The boxes will be kept in all the VIP rooms and to give a distinct touch to the president's chocolate box, it will be embellished with the picture of the US national flag," he said.
The source said the boxes would not melt, as the entire hotel was centrally air-conditioned.
BUFFET FOR THE FLEET
About 3,000 people are supposed to join the president. The source revealed that all the 506 rooms have been booked. "Though the president will be eating food cooked by his own chef, the hotel is preparing Indian, continental, and Chinese buffet for the fleet."
SPECIAL BAR
A list of imported liquor has been included in the bar to give enough variety for the guests to choose from. The bar has been stocked with Glenfiddich 40-Year-Old Rare Collection and Dom Perignon Rose Champagne from France. "Wine, whisky and champagne will be stocked in the bar. The bar will not only cater to Obama's demands, but also to those of his wife Michelle.
SECURITY AT TAJ
Employees have been issued hotel and police entry pass to enter the area. "Nobody will be allowed in the area without police pass, whereas no staff will be given entry without the hotel pass. The management has instructed the staff not to loiter in the lobby when the president is in the hotel. No staff will be allowed to go out of the hotel during working hours," said the source.
MORE CARS BOOKED
More cars have been booked for the US fleet. "Earlier 150 cars were booked which has now been increased to 225. The company which has been given the responsibility of logistics has been running from pillar to post to get more cars," said a source.
The US Consulate had booked Innova cars for sniffer dogs and Toyota and Mercedes Volvo for the rest of the fleet.
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I thought you would support the efforts of our enemies to convert our President to a diabetic?
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I thought you would support the efforts of our enemies to convert our President to a diabetic?
I hope Obama decides he likes india so much he plans on staying there for good and let us begin to actually help our nation get back to some semblence of normalcy, not the farce and obscenity he has exposed us to these past two years.
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Obama’s trip to India has a carbon footprint bigger than many US cities
Published: 5:19 PM 11/03/2010 | Updated: 9:24 AM 11/04/2010
By Anthony Watts
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Mr. Watts operates the most visited blog on climate science in the world, www.wattsupwiththat.com, now with over 57 million visits. He has spent 30 years on air in radio and television as a weather forecaster, and still does daily radio broadcasts. In 2007, he founded the surfacestations.org project, which with the help of volunteers nationwide found that only 1 in 10 of the weather stations used for monitoring climate in the USA met the government's own standards for station siting quality. He also operates a weather technology business, embraces energy efficiency with solar power on his home and drives an electric car.
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The Daily Mail: Forty planes and six armoured cars: Obama visit to India the ‘biggest ever by a US President’
NDTV: US to spend $200 million a day on Obama’s Mumbai visit
About 3,000 people, including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists, are accompanying the president on his trip to India. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies have been there for the past week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.
Of course, we know that US presidents don’t travel lightly, and they need security details and armored cars. But 3,000 people and forty aircraft?
Let’s do the carbon math:
Estimate of the carbon footprint of President Obama’s trip to India
We are constantly told how bad air travel is for the planet. For example, the UK has a whole organization, called “Plane Stupid,” dedicated to the issue. It is groups like this that enable us to calculate the carbon emissions of air travel using the handy dandy Terrapass web page.
1. If one assumes that all 3,000 people fly commercial from Washington, D.C., to New Delhi and back (and nowhere else), their cumulative carbon footprint can be calculated according to Terrapass at http://www.terrapass.com/carbon-footprint-calculator/#air.
Here’s the info on their calculation methodology.
So here’s what we get for the maximum number of people, ten, that we can select at one time on that website. Note that Bombay, India is now called Mumbai, but the airport code is still BOM in Terrapass:
Multiply 62,238 lbs of CO2 for ten people times 300 (to make three thousand) and we get 18,671,400 lbs of CO2, or 8,469 metric tons.
To get the per capita figure in metric tons, divide that again by 3,000 people, which gives us 2.823 metric tons per person for the trip.
2. The Brookings Institute did a survey in 2008 ranking major US cities by their per capita emissions. You can read the full report here. If we were to compare his trip to the city table:
Obama’s trip comes in between Memphis and Raleigh on a per capita basis.
3. Caveat: Of course, this calculation excludes the carbon footprint for also traveling to Indonesia, South Korea and Indonesia as part of this Grand Tour, as well as any other activity while in those places. Plus vehicles and other forms of travel.
If we figured in all the travel, it would well be higher.
The message? Travel lightly but carry a big hockey stick.
4. If Obama wanted to offset the carbon using the tool of choice of his buddy, Al Gore, the Chicago Climate Exchange, he could do so pretty cheaply since carbon offsets there are selling for five cents per metric ton.
So with 8,469 metric tons of CO2 emitted for the Washington-to-Bombay roundtrip, he could buy a carbon indulgence for a mere $423.45. That’s chump change when you are blowing a cool $200 million per day to keep everybody traveling in style.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/03/obamas-trip-to-india-has-a-carbon-footprint-bigger-than-many-us-cities/#ixzz14K1peMEo
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English-speaking cops confined for four days in the Taj
Published: Friday, Nov 5, 2010, 23:15 IST
By Baljeet Parmar | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA
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Their command over the English language has unwittingly landed nearly 300 city cops in virtual confinement as they have been assigned duties at the Taj and are not allowed to leave the hotel till US president Barack Obama leaves on Sunday afternoon.
The officers, holding ranks of sub inspector, assistant sub inspector, inspector, senior inspector and assistant commissioner of police were handpicked by their seniors for their communication skills in English, apart from general police training.
The 300-odd officers will work in tandem with highly trained 300 US security men, forming the inner protection ring guarding the US president during his stay at the Taj.
“We were posted here on November 3 evening and have been told not to leave the premises till Sunday afternoon. It is a challenging assignment and we do not mind missing our family and Diwali celebrations as there is a lot to learn from the US security personnel and experts. They have very sophisticated gadgets and electronics equipment which could be of immense help to us in future,” said a senior inspector on condition of anonymity.
Their only way of communicating with the outside world is their mobile phones, and that too would be taken away from them during Obama’s stay at the hotel, informed another officer.
The officers will keep an eye on some 300 hotel staffers who too have barred from leaving the premises till Sunday. Every officer has been detailed to keep one-to-one touch with the hotel staffers and the US security men.
The hotel management has in-house arrangements to cater to the needs of the security personnel and nothing can be brought in from outside. The officers have been provided distinct identity cards which cannot be copied or duplicated. “By the time the president arrives, we will know each other well, eliminating any chances of an outsider infiltrating the ranks,” an officer informed.
A large number of officers chosen for the sensitive job had done stints with the United Nations while on service with the peacekeeping forces, particularly in Congo. The experience provided them international exposure in dealing with foreign armed forces. The others are mainly drawn from the elite forces like the crime branch.
Apart from securing the hotel premises, the city police has deployed more than 5,000 trained police personnel in the entire area around the Taj. The Gateway of India, along with Colaba and adjoining Nariman Point, have been extensively sanitised to keep eliminate any disturbance or threat, the sources added.
The US security experts are closely monitoring all movements and developments on land, coast and air in a well coordinated manner using a satellite-powered technology, the sources further added.
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I'll bet all of this only cost about $1,000,000 a day. ::) ::)
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Bomb-proof tunnel with air conditioning: Obama's security go to extraordinary measures for his tour of the Gandhi museum
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:08 PM on 6th November 2010
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American warships to patrol off Mumbai during visit
Coconuts removed from trees as a precaution
250 U.S. business executives with Obama on 'biggest ever trade mission'
$200million Asia trip cost denied but the President will have huge entourage
President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle arrived in India's commercial hub of Mumbai on Saturday, days after voters punished his Democrats in mid-term elections.
Probably not since the days of the Pharaohs or the more ludicrous Roman Emperors has a head of state travelled in such pomp and expensive grandeur as the President of the United States of America.
While lesser mortals – the Pope, Queen Elizabeth and so on – are usually happy to let their hosts handle most of the security and transport arrangements when they venture beyond their home shores, the United States creates a mini-America on the move to ensure that nothing is left to chance.
The President and First Lady clasped hands as they arrived in Mumbai Saturday morning with their huge entourage
Enlarge The red carpet was literally rolled out for the President and First Lady when their jumbo jet landed
Obama arrives in India at the start of a ten-day tour of Asia. At the heart of the White House caravan is ‘The Beast’, a gigantic, ‘pimped-up’ General Motors Cadillac which security experts say is, short of an actual battle tank, probably the safest road vehicle on the planet.
But an outlandish car is only the start. Mr Obama will fly, of course, on Air Force One, the presidential private jumbo jet, which, boasting double beds and suites, is fitted out more like a luxury yacht. Some reports suggest it costs around $50,000 (£31,000) an hour to operate.
Of course threats can come from any direction, so a squadron of U.S. naval ships will patrol offshore. Some reports have claimed that 34 ships, including two aircraft carriers, will be involved (not far off the size of the Royal Navy’s entire Surface Fleet) but the White House has denied this.
The pair were greeted wtih flowers and gifts as they stepped off the plane
Enlarge Click on this graphic to see the full extent of the President's entourage
On land, as well as The Beast, Mr Obama’s entourage will travel in a fleet of 45 U.S.-built armoured limousines, half of which will be
decoys. He will also travel with 30 elite sniffer dogs, mostly German Shepherds.
The White House has, according to some reports, booked the entire Taj Mahal Palace Hotel in Mumbai, the city’s most luxurious. It is not uncommon for the grander heads of state to reserve a floor or two, but a whole hotel is unprecedented. This hotel was the main target of the 2008 attacks by Pakistani militants which left 166 dead.
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As to the cost of all this, the White House will not reveal details – which has allowed Mr Obama’s political foes to bandy about sums
including a widely-quoted $200million (£123million) a day. Whatever the figure, it makes the costs associated with the Royal Train and the late Royal Yacht Britannia seem like small change.
It is also reported that a bomb-proof tunnel will be erected for Mr Obama ahead of his visit to Mani Bhavan - the Gandhi museum - on Saturday.
Getting away: Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama board Air Force One today to travel to India on the first stop of their 10-day Asia tour before visiting Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and China
According to Daily News & Analysis, U.S. secret service agents visited the museum on Monday to plan Mr Obama's security during his tour.
They were accompanied by Mumbai Police officers and civic officials of the D ward where Mani Bhavan is located.
While they were inspecting the route and the buildings lining the path to the museum, U.S. security officers noticed a nearby skyscraper in the highly populated area that could pose a threat.
To the amazement of the Indians accompanying the U.S. agents, it was apparently decided to erect a bomb-proof over-ground tunnel, which will be installed by U.S. military engineers in just an hour.
The kilometre-long tunnel will measure 12ft by 12ft and will have air-conditioning, close-circuit television cameras, and will be heavily guarded at every point.
It's being built so it is large enough for Mr Obama's cavalcade to pass through and will be manned at its entry and exit points.
Security measures: A kilometer long bomb-proof tunnel will reportedly be erected on the route to Mani Bhavan - the Gandhi Museum - ahead of President Obama's tour of the building on Saturday[/b]
The material that the tunnel would be made of has not been released but officials said that the structure would be dismantled immediately after Mr Obama and his party leaves the area.
Meanwhile the furore over reports that his Asia trip is going to cost taxpayers $200million a day has been dismissed by the Obama administration who called the figure 'wildly inflated'.
Last week an Indian government source told the NDTV channel: 'The huge amount of around $200million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit.'
The claim was immediately seized upon by talk show hosts and rights wing politicians who relished the opportunity to rub salt into Mr
Obama's wounds saying the trip was a waste of government funds during the country's recession.
But the White House have refused to reveal the true cost of the three-day trip to Mumbai and Delhi.
'The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality', White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said.
Enlarge US security department officials stand near their vehicles outside the Taj Mahal Palace hotel in Mumbai this afternoon
He added: 'Due to security concerns, we are unable to outline details associated with security procedures and costs, but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated'.
The White House have said these claims are exaggerated but with any presidential trip, Mr Obama travels with a large number of staff and security detail includes his own aircraft and fleet of secure vehicles.
There will also be tens of thousands of Indian police and members of the military protecting the US delegation.
Secret Service agents travelled to India last week to address security concerns at locations the president is likely to visit.
Mr Obama will visit India, Indonesia, South Korea, Japan and China as part of a 10-day state tour of Asia.
Indian policemen await deployment orders outside the Taj Mahal hotel. President Obama is scheduled to stay at the hotel this weekend
Tense: An Indian policeman guards the Chhatrapati Shivaji train station in Mumbai, one of the targets of Islamist militants during the 2008 attacks
The trip has sparked some criticism in the U.S., which is battling high unemployment and stagnant economic growth.
Mr Obama will spend three days in India, and will also visit New Delhi.
The White House will be hoping to secure more than $10 billion in new business for American firms in what is the biggest trade mission in US history.
Mr Obama is bringing 250 U.S. executives including GE chief Jeffrey Immelt and Honeywell's David Cote, which the U.S. India Business Council says is the largest such delegation to ever accompany a president on a foreign visit.
The presidents of six universities, including Georgetown and Duke, are also set to come.
Last fiscal year, India's $11 billion worth of investments in the U.S. matched U.S. investments in India for the first time ever, according to the U.S. India Business Council.
Enlarge On guard: A security guard stands outside the grounds of Humayun's Tomb in New Delhi, where Mr Obama is expected to visit
Enlarge A man walks with a camel past a sand sculpture depicting President Barack Obama ahead of Obama's arrival to the country, in Puri
Bilateral trade, on track to hit $50 billion this fiscal year ending March, has more than doubled since 2004.
But sentiment has frayed since the two countries signed a civil nuclear cooperation agreement in 2008.
Then-President George W. Bush pushed through that deal, which allowed nuclear trade with India despite its weapons programme and seemed to herald a new era of cross-continental commerce.
It hasn't been that simple.
The job creating power of India's big, fast-growing market is hampered by its restrictions on foreign access to key sectors like retail, finance, education and insurance.
Multinationals are wary of the shape-shifting rules that seem to govern things like taxes and environmental permits in India.
And the large defence contracts that headline the wish list of deals for Obama's visit come burdened with offsets and foreign investment caps.
Enlarge Preparations: A billboard welcoming Mr Obama is seen in Mumbai. The U.S. President will hope to cement improving relations with India during his three-day visit
Enlarge Indian bottle artist Basavaraju Somaraje Gowda holds a bottle into which he has placed a frame photograph of US President Barack Obama (L) and Indian Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh in the southern Indian city of Bangalore
The Americans who accepted outsourcing of IT and back office functions in boom times as a way to free up capital for job creation at home seem less certain of the strategy's benefits during a bust.
With U.S. unemployment at 9.6 pe rcent, India's putative role as a driver of job insecurity has leaked into campaign rhetoric - Barbara Boxer's attacks on Carly Fiorina for sending Hewlett-Packard jobs to India and China helped her win the California Senate race - and popular culture alike.
NBC's new sitcom, 'Outsourced', tells the story of a Kansas City company that sends most of its jobs to India.
Indian companies keep insisting, quietly, that they're not really the problem: If you don't like jobs getting sent overseas, better to direct your anger at major U.S. corporations whose race for low cost competitiveness drives India's $50 billion software services sector.
'We strongly believe the global delivery model is beneficial to customers,' said Infosys chief executive S. Gopalakrishnan.
'It increases their competitiveness. It reduces costs. It gives them access to a scalable high quality
talent pool and to emerging markets. That's why it's growing.'
Unwelcome: Some Indian Shiite Muslims are unhappy about Mr Obama's trip and held an effigy of him before setting it on fire as they gather for a protest after Friday prayers outside a mosque in Lucknow, India today
The U.S. Congress seemed to disagree, hiking visa fees for Indian outsourcing companies by about $2000 per worker in August, provoking howls of discontent here.
'It's tens of millions of dollars,' said Tata Consultancy Services chief executive N. Chandrasekaran.
The law pinches Indian outsourcers where it hurts, at the heart of the industry's hopes for future growth in its most important global market.
The companies have been trying to diversify into health care and government work and move up the delivery chain to higher value areas like consulting. All require workers, with visas or U.S. passports, in the United States.
Many here fear the backlash will get worse by the 2012 elections, barring a turnaround in the U.S. labour market.
Indian outsourcers - and their clients in corporate America - are happy to move jobs to the U.S. as long as it doesn't disrupt their low-cost business model.
That translates into very few jobs.
Indian policemen report for duty allocation ahead of US President Barack Obama's visit in Mumbai
Enlarge Mahesh Gupta, centre left, holds a portrait of U.S. President Barack Obama which he claims to have made from his blood to welcome him
Permanent record: Guinness Rishi, who has more than 200 flags tattooed on his body, had Mr Obama inked on his side the day the President arrived in India (oddly, it looks more like former president Jimmy Carter)
Lobby group Nasscom says India's software services exporters have created 35,000 high-paying U.S. jobs in the last five years.
Industry leader Tata Consultancy Services is looking to hire 1,000 Americans this fiscal year. Less than one per cent of its global work force are American, according to company data.
Infosys is also looking to hire 1,000 Americans. Its 1,600 permanent U.S. employees - not counting an additional 600 or so who work for two U.S. subsidiaries - make up 1.3 per cent of the company's global work force.
'We can't replace all the people from here with people from the United States and have the same value proposition,' said Chandrasekaran.
From the U.S. side, perhaps most disillusioning is a law passed by India's parliament that extends liability to the suppliers of nuclear plants, making it difficult for private companies to compete against their state owned French and Russian peers in India's multibillion dollar nuclear reactor build-out.
Enlarge Infosys Technologies boss S. Gopalakrishnan looks on after announcing the company's quarterly financial results. The company is now hiring Americans
Enlarge A sweeper cleans the premises of Mughal emperor Humayun's tomb in New Delhi. President Barack Obama is expected to visit the tomb during his tour of India
'There has been a reality check,'said Stephen Cohen, a South Asia security expert at the Brookings Institution.
Backers of the civil nuclear deal in Washington, he said, 'made believe India was a true ally and would never let us down'.
U.S. India Business Council president Ron Somers said India's signing last week of an International Atomic Energy Agency convention on liability is a step forward and will require Indian laws to conform to international norms, which do not make private companies liable unless there is malfeasance.
Even India's purchase of 10 Boeing C-17 transport aircraft, expected to be finalised during Obama's visit, will probably be worth less than the anticipated $5.8 billion because of fewer add-ons, said Guy Anderson, lead analyst at Jane's Defence Industry.
India is second only to China in ramping up military procurement, making it an attractive market for U.S. defense companies.
But the bureaucracy is so inefficient the government doesn't manage to spend the money earmarked for military procurement each year, and Russia still dominates sales in a country where some, especially in the older generation, continue to regard U.S. intentions with skepticism.
Somers says naysayers are too impatient and points out that from 2007 to 2009, the U.S. sold India $4.3 billion worth of defense equipment - a huge jump from the $342 million sold from 2001 to 2006.
'We've come a long way,' he said.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326962/Obamas-India-visit-security-erect-bomb-proof-tunnel-Gandhi-museum.html#ixzz14X4DW4iQ
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All of this crap probably costs $500,000 total!
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Of course threats can come from any direction, so a squadron of U.S. naval ships will patrol offshore. Some reports have claimed that 34 ships, including two aircraft carriers, will be involved (not far off the size of the Royal Navy’s entire Surface Fleet) but the White House has denied this.
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So, how many ships?
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Michelle must have had way too much Alcohol on AF1
WTF is that?
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Obamas at the Gandhi museum (Obamas' handwritten notes)
rediff ^ | November 6, 2010
US President Barack Obama on Saturday described Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhi as 'a hero not just to India but to the world'.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.rediff.com ...
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http://www.dnaindia.com/
Obama visit to Delhi: Special vigil against monkeys and dogs
PTI / Saturday, November 6, 2010 17:43 IST Besides the high-level security apparatus in place for US President Barack Obama's visit here tomorrow, dog and monkey catchers are also being roped in to avert any 'animal invasion' on his route.
Security officials have sought the help of trained animal handlers from civic agencies so that no untoward situation is created during Obama's tour to the national capital.
Special focus is being given to the Central Ridge forests opposite ITC Maurya Sheraton, which will host the American president during his stay here, and Rajghat, where Obama will visit to pay respects at the memorial of Mahatma Gandhi.
Monkeys are seen in large numbers at both the places.
The Delhi police sought assistance of Municipal Corporation of Delhi in keeping monkeys and dogs at bay by providing trained personnel.
"Our help had been sought in these aspects (catching monkeys and dogs) and we have done the needful. Personnel have been deployed wherever they were needed and the areas have been sanitised," a senior MCD official said adding, special focus was given on Rajghat area.
He, however, refused to divulge the number of personnel being deployed and the animals caught.
The Ridge area, which falls under the jurisdiction of NDMC, has also been lit up as part of the security arrangements for the US President's visit.
The officials and organisers of the events of the president are not taking any chances in ensuring his safety. In Mumbai, branches and coconut from a tree at Mani Bhavan in south Mumbai, where Obama paid a visit today, were removed.
"We requested the ward officer to remove the branches as they kept falling and coconuts had become dry. We thought it would be better to get them removed," Mani Bhavan executive secretary Meghshyam Ajgaonkar had said. Following the request, civic workers from the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation had removed them.
URL of the article: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_obama-visit-to-delhi-special-vigil-against-monkeys-and-dogs_1463063-all
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http://www.dnaindia.com/
Obama visit to Delhi: Special vigil against monkeys and dogs
PTI / Saturday, November 6, 2010 17:43 IST Besides the high-level security apparatus in place for US President Barack Obama's visit here tomorrow, dog and monkey catchers are also being roped in to avert any 'animal invasion' on his route.
Security officials have sought the help of trained animal handlers from civic agencies so that no untoward situation is created during Obama's tour to the national capital.
Special focus is being given to the Central Ridge forests opposite ITC Maurya Sheraton, which will host the American president during his stay here, and Rajghat, where Obama will visit to pay respects at the memorial of Mahatma Gandhi.
Monkeys are seen in large numbers at both the places.
The Delhi police sought assistance of Municipal Corporation of Delhi in keeping monkeys and dogs at bay by providing trained personnel.
"Our help had been sought in these aspects (catching monkeys and dogs) and we have done the needful. Personnel have been deployed wherever they were needed and the areas have been sanitised," a senior MCD official said adding, special focus was given on Rajghat area.
He, however, refused to divulge the number of personnel being deployed and the animals caught.
The Ridge area, which falls under the jurisdiction of NDMC, has also been lit up as part of the security arrangements for the US President's visit.
The officials and organisers of the events of the president are not taking any chances in ensuring his safety. In Mumbai, branches and coconut from a tree at Mani Bhavan in south Mumbai, where Obama paid a visit today, were removed.
"We requested the ward officer to remove the branches as they kept falling and coconuts had become dry. We thought it would be better to get them removed," Mani Bhavan executive secretary Meghshyam Ajgaonkar had said. Following the request, civic workers from the Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation had removed them.
URL of the article: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_obama-visit-to-delhi-special-vigil-against-monkeys-and-dogs_1463063-all
so is it 200 mil a day or not?
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ok ..i got to page 4....fucking sickening..just toss a number out rite?...obama also called swat from cell on grandmas too?....fuckin 3333...i cant do it anymore...u already lost credibility from swat one...but wow....i used to click on your treads for entertainment...but flat out lies...wow....just wow...its really karl rovian sickening. wow.......wow...amazing. ..wow...just make some bs up and run wit it? ...fuckin wow...
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1. This figure was reported in many places, I did not make it up.
2. Gibbs and obama refuse to disclose how much it is costing.
3. Gibbs refused to deny the 3000 person entorage, the500 security, the massive logistical support, the 1 kilometer tunnel, and the fact that the navy has a lot of ships along there too, maybe not 34, but many nonetheless.
4. Yes the number was probably wrong, but by my estimates, the total tally of the trip will be at least $100 - $200 million for the whole 10 day orgy. This is still beyond obscene.
5. Funny you guys who said the Pentagon lied us into war, lied about 911, lied about the tillman murder, lied about the contractors' expenditures, etc, all of a sudden are so ready tobeleive them on this.
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What amount would be "ok" with you people defending this? 1 million, 2 million ????
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1. This figure was reported in many places, I did not make it up.
2. Gibbs and obama refuse to disclose how much it is costing.
3. Gibbs refused to deny the 3000 person entorage, the500 security, the massive logistical support, the 1 kilometer tunnel, and the fact that the navy has a lot of ships along there too, maybe not 34, but many nonetheless.
4. Yes the number was probably wrong, but by my estimates, the total tally of the trip will be at least $100 - $200 million for the whole 10 day orgy. This is still beyond obscene.
5. Funny you guys who said the Pentagon lied us into war, lied about 911, lied about the tillman murder, lied about the contractors' expenditures, etc, all of a sudden are so ready tobeleive them on this.
so you are going to defend your misinformation and but not alter your lying ass title...fucking amazing
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What amount would be "ok" with you people defending this? 1 million, 2 million ????
dude...cant toss a bullcrap number out and its outed as a lie, then just say "well its not 200 but its a lot"
WTF kind of crap tread is dude startin....dude does it a lot too...just tosses out some bull...gets debunked...and is like.."well a lot of other stuff is messed up too...and post a crapload of videos
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so you are going to defend your misinformation and but not alter your lying ass title...fucking amazing
Fine - Ill change it. Ha ha ha -
Either way - this is so laughable, obscene, and bizarre, that even Frank Rich in the NYT is saying the optics of this are awful.
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he wasn't the only one that fell for it , there were 4 or 5 other getbig regs. that fell for the lame story.whats funny is their the ones that usually brag how smart they are :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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33,
I dont think anyone here knows the details of Bush's security costs on all his trips. The prop turkey in afghanistan on thanksgiving - I didn't see a thread about how much $ that cost taxpayers.
Suddenly we all give a shit?
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dude...cant toss a bullcrap number out and its outed as a lie, then just say "well its not 200 but its a lot"
WTF kind of crap tread is dude startin....dude does it a lot too...just tosses out some bull...gets debunked...and is like.."well a lot of other stuff is messed up too...and post a crapload of videos
This was reported figure in the media you dope. I did not make it up myself. Damn you are clueless bro.
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33,
I dont think anyone here knows the details of Bush's security costs on all his trips. The prop turkey in afghanistan on thanksgiving - I didn't see a thread about how much $ that cost taxpayers.
Suddenly we all give a shit?
Sorry 240 - Visting Troops on a Holiday is something I am ok with, sending 500 fbi and security people to pick cocunuts and monkeys off the trees, no thanks.
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This was reported figure in the media you dope. I did not make it up myself. Damn you are clueless bro.
alex jones is a 'figure in the media'.
is he credible now? LOL he has millions of readers.
The point is - it's a bullshit number made up by a member of INDIA'S MEDIA. We should be more selective in not believing everything we read. We're still waiting on that Whitey tape. FOX repeats anything and doesn't look at it to see if it passes the common sense factor. Remember them telling us that LA county was spending 100 billion on jet packs for police? LMAO....
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alex jones is a 'figure in the media'.
is he credible now? LOL he has millions of readers.
The point is - it's a bullshit number made up by a member of INDIA'S MEDIA. We should be more selective in not believing everything we read. We're still waiting on that Whitey tape. FOX repeats anything and doesn't look at it to see if it passes the common sense factor. Remember them telling us that LA county was spending 100 billion on jet packs for police? LMAO....
you have to remember most fox viewers don't past the common sence factor
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This was reported figure in the media you dope. I did not make it up myself. Damn you are clueless bro.
fox news? ... fox is news now?
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you have to remember most fox viewers don't past the common sence factor
How old are you? Seriously?
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This was reported figure in the media you dope. I did not make it up myself. Damn you are clueless bro.
im clueless? but you are startin false topics...off something you heard on fox news...and im clueless?
im clueless..but you altered title of topic?...
and it aint your first time doing it...
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fox news? ... fox is news now?
Indian media and then picked up by UK media.
Either way, I tallied even some of the costs and backed it up in this thread and the costs are staggering.
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old enough to know that story was bullsh t ;D
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Indian media and then picked up by UK media.
Either way, I tallied even some of the costs and backed it up in this thread and the costs are staggering.
200mil???
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old enough to know that story was bullsh t ;D
Ha ha ha- so why didnt gibbs deny the 3000 person figure? The 225 car caravan, the 1 kilometer bomb proof tunnell, etc etc?
This whole trip will cost at least 200 million before all is said and done.
Keep defending this crap guys - obviously the complete electporal disaster last week still has not waken you fools up. Ha ha ha ha. 2012 - and the entire dem party and obama are gone.
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CBS fired Dan Rather and 3 other people for not making sure the facts were spot on with the Bush/national guard deal...
Fox, no big deal, let the hearsay roll................
rollin rollin rollin
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you have to remember most fox viewers don't past the common sence factor
lol, good thing intellectual MSNBC viewers like you help balance things out.
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Ha ha ha- so why didnt gibbs deny the 3000 person figure? The 225 car caravan, the 1 kilometer bomb proof tunnell, etc etc?
This whole trip will cost at least 200 million before all is said and done.
Keep defending this crap guys - obviously the complete electporal disaster last week still has not waken you fools up. Ha ha ha ha. 2012 - and the entire dem party and obama are gone.
dont change the subject now and add in your own projections to save face..you posted some bullshit and now are getting owned.......again...
now your back pedaling and changing subject as to not face facts...you reported some lying unfounded bull shit
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dont change the subject now and add in your own projections to save face..you posted some bullshit and now are getting owned.......again...
now your back pedaling and changing subject as to not face facts...you reported some lying unfounded bull shit
I posted what was fucking reported in the indian and UK media. I did not make the figure up on my own fool.
And as I showed earlier in the thread - this trip will be staggering in its costs, whether its 50 million a day, 100 million day, whatever.
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lol, good thing intellectual MSNBC viewers like you help balance things out.
good one Skippy, i have to admit you didn't fall for the story,you probably weren't home
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I posted what was fucking reported in the indian and UK media.
Many of us Americans don't buy into anti-American articles in the foreign press.
I mean sure, you'll have palin taking french $ to bash the American govt when speaking to chinese businessmen, that's her perogative...
But most of us know that many foreigners hate us for our freedoms, and will do anything to undermine our leadership.
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Many of us Americans don't buy into anti-American articles in the foreign press.
I mean sure, you'll have palin taking french $ to bash the American govt when speaking to chinese businessmen, that's her perogative...
But most of us know that many foreigners hate us for our freedoms, and will do anything to undermine our leadership.
240 - really - do you want me to bump some of your old gems on palins' baby?
As for this thread -what is the cost? $1 ????? LOL
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i read on the internets that the starship Enterprise is going to be there incase they need the phasers and photon torpedoes ;D
this was on the internet, must be true :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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240 - really - do you want me to bump some of your old gems on palins' baby?
As for this thread -what is the cost? $1 ????? LOL
I admitted I was wrong on those.
I take her at her word - she was 7 months preggo with a known Downs child - her water broke at 5 am. Then, she waited 12 hours to give a speech, and then took two airplane flights to alaska from TX.
I believe her. It's her baby. Did she exercise HORRIBLE judgment? YES. Absolutely. each baby comes out faster than the next, so it was a miracle she was able to hold in a child without water - for 22 hours - but I believe her. Why would she lie?
So yeah - I was wrong to say it wasn't her baby. But I do think something is broken in any woman's brain who will wait 22 hours on a premature downs baby - and take 2 flights.
Now, back to your thread, just admit you got one wrong, we all watch some football and bang our womenfolk. life is good.
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Read through the threade before asking me to do things i have already done.
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Read through the threade before asking me to do things i have already done.
in that case, all good :)
Bucs are overrated but their record rocks :)
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in that case, all good :)
Bucs are overrated but their record rocks :)
Don't get me started. I have to do the family visit cause of new baby thing today.
They better have a tv and booze.
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Great links 3386.
It seems like there are at least 250 persons going.
But according to your sources, those are employees of private corporations.
Or are you saying that their plane tickets are paid by the government? That would be really sensational IMO.
According to your articles, there is still no figure on how much the trip will cost.
As for the whole idea of Obama's trip to India.
It would be interesting to see a review of the trip in six months or a year. See if it paid off.
I think it's good that expenses for politicians are being investigated. Always.
But there is a big problem when it's started off by what seems like a lie.
And it sucks to read that some journalists - in one of the articles you posted 3366 - doesn't seem to care too much about that lie.
What would be interesting right now, is to see a review of that Indonesian trip (earlier this year) and how it played out for the tax payers.
Did it help export/import?
What is the payback?
The question shouldn't be - how much does it cost.
But rather - what do we get for it?
What will the US tax payers get from Obama going to India?
I think that's the real issue.
Bump for answer.
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Hedge, welcome back... Not sure if you were ever gone but it's been a long time since I've seen one of your posts so... well.. welcome back ;D
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http://www.ndtv.com/article/business/obama-gets-50-000-jobs-deals-worth-10-billion-signed-64739 (http://www.ndtv.com/article/business/obama-gets-50-000-jobs-deals-worth-10-billion-signed-64739)
" Obama today announced that "several landmark" deals worth $10 billion (nearly Rs. 44,000 crore) have been reached between the two countries for creating about 50,000 jobs in the US.
"There is no reason why India cannot be our top trading partner (from 12th position now)... I'm absolutely sure that the relationship between India and the US is going to be one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century," President Obama said addressing the US India Business Council meet. (Watch: Obama addresses India Inc.) "Boeing is going to sell dozens of planes to India and GE is going to sell hundreds of electric engines. The deals are worth USD 10 billion and will create more than 50,000 jobs in the US," he said."
....maybe his should be the real headline instead of the typical right wing lies regarding cost of the trip? Anybody giving him credit for this? That's the real story, not some made up numbers pushed by the right's lunatics like Bachmann, Beck and Doughboy.
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Good for him if this is true. Good work.
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Good for him if this is true. Good work.
Typical lib defense of everything Obama does.
;D
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Good for him if this is true. Good work.
Please, those deals were hammered out months and months and ions ago with no help from the WH. This was just trying to polish a turd AFTER THE UPROAR OVER THE COST OF THIS OBSCENITY.
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which how much again?
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3386,
do you claim that the US taxpayers are paying for the trip of the business representatives?
BTW, none of the articles you've posted mentions 3 000 people going from what I've read.
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3386,
do you claim that the US taxpayers are paying for the trip of the business representatives?
BTW, none of the articles you've posted mentions 3 000 people going from what I've read.
Of course we are.
BTW - this trip is for one reason that Obama and the other TEAM KNEEPAD reps won't discuss - TREASURY BONDS
Obama's fiscal policies are so reckless and obscene that the Chinese are no longer buying our bonds in massive numbers to finance our deficit and spending orgy. They no longer have confidence that we can repay our debts and are instead buying oil, gasoline reserves, gold, rare minerals, etc etc.
So this leaves Obama with two options:
1. Cut spending domestically and drastically.
2. Look for a new sucker to buy our bonds to finance our debt and spending addiction.
India looks like it is making a deal to buy our bonds and in return we ship them more of our jobs as collateral.
Sad but true.
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Damn that ass is getting huge. She must be depressed or something.
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which how much again?
Bump
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Bump
don't know exacvtly - when gibbs was asked, he refused to answer - but at a minimum the entire mess will cost at least $100 Million.
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Damn that ass is getting huge. She must be depressed or something.
Damn - did obama take lessons from Pee Wee Herman? Eerily similar.
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don't know exacvtly - when gibbs was asked, he refused to answer - but at a minimum the entire mess will cost at least $100 Million.
How did you get that number.
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How did you get that number.
Read above - I started breaking down the costs.
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I'm checking flights now -
Cost for 1 round trip - First Class - anywhere from 7k to 9k
http://www.delta.com/booking/findFlights.do#top
Cost for Coach is $2,000.00
http://www.delta.com/booking/reviseSearch.do;cohrBkgSessID=SA6IlS4T3D2ORLE#top
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So, the minimum airfare alone has a range of anywhere $6,000,000 on the low end and $27,000,000 on the high end.
That is airfare alone and does not include AF1, AF2, the helicopters, and all the other air related costs for Obamas staff.
Lets tally the costs up.
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The cost of Obama going to Chicago and back on AF1 - was $236,000.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-air-force-one-15-jun15,0,2483578.story
695 Miles - or 1400 miles.
So lets say 1500 miles = $236,000
Distance between Mumbai and Washington DC is 8,000 Miles or 16,000 round trip.
So lets say then that the cost just to mumbai and back is $2,517,333.00, but that does not include the cost to infonesia and all the other places.
So the cost of AF1 is at least 3.5 Mill on the low end and probably 6 Million on the high end.
Bump
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Bump
I laugh at you worrying about .000000000000000001 percent of the US budget in this trip.
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I laugh at you worrying about .000000000000000001 percent of the US budget in this trip.
Its called sending a message, its called leadership, its called leading by example, it called responding to reality of our being busted broke, its called getting a clue.
Obama has two years left of this charade. If the GOP runs Huck, Romney, Thune, or someone like that, Obama is finished completely.
He and his admn have become the laughing stock of the world.
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If the GOP runs Huck, Romney, Thune, or someone like that, Obama is finished completely.
They won't.
They'll run Palin.
And right around the time repub voter motivation will be DOWN, once yall realize that Rand paul and your other "take the govt back for the people" tea party members are going to keep borrowing, keep spending, etc....
Repub enthusiam will be down in 2012, thanks to that.
Dem enthusiam will be UP in 2012, with a polarizing Palin running against them.
Moderates will be tired of Obama but will stick with the experienced Obama over the clueless Palin.
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They won't.
They'll run Palin.
And right around the time repub voter motivation will be DOWN, once yall realize that Rand paul and your other "take the govt back for the people" tea party members are going to keep borrowing, keep spending, etc....
Repub enthusiam will be down in 2012, thanks to that.
Dem enthusiam will be UP in 2012, with a polarizing Palin running against them.
Moderates will be tired of Obama but will stick with the experienced Obama over the clueless Palin.
This from the guy who predicted in the mid terms health care would be the big issue democrats would run on and that Charlie Crist would be the front runner for 2012 on the republican side and that Carloine Kennedy would make a great VP choice for democrats.
As long as Imam Barrack Hussein Obama is ppresident republican enthusiasm wil be sky high.
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yep, I got it wrong on the crist vote. I admitted it. You can keep rubbing my nose in it, and I can resort to talking about the shape of your kidneys, or some other immature bullshit like that, if you really wanna be pricks about it. Usually when a guy says "wow, I was wrong about that", most people willl accept that and move on.
If you don't think palin's a legit threat for the nomination in 2012, you must not be paying very close attention.
Intrade, the world global gambling/betting page - has it at 68.8% chance she'll announce she is running. It's climbing every day.
And, the world gambling has her at 2nd behind romney in likelihood of WINNING the nomination - ahead of huck, thune, etc
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James Corum
James Corum is an American military historian and the author of seven books on military history and counter-insurgency. He is a Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army Reserve (rtd) and has 28 years' experience as an army officer.
Barack Obama’s trip to India is a grossly indulgent waste of the defence budget
By James Corum World Last updated: November 8th, 2010
12 Comments Comment on this article
President and Mrs Obama prepare to enjoy a lavish trip.
After last week’s humiliation of President Barack Obama in the midterm elections – in which the Republicans made huge gains at every level of government – you might think that the president would want to avoid another political disaster for a while. But not our Obama. To compound America’s rejection of his domestic policies, one week later he is determined to call attention to the bankruptcy of his foreign and security policies.
Obama’s trip to India bears all the hallmarks of failure at home. In the past, when things were going badly for the president domestically, he went on a foreign tour designed to highlight his stature as a world leader. But this lavish visit is simply highlighting the administration’s incompetence in foreign affairs.
First of all, India is not a close ally or a key strategic nation for America. We have no alliance with India, no bases there, no security partnership, Nor is India is not a key nation in terms of trade. There was no urgent reason for Obama to go there: no major treaty to sign, no dramatic arms control event. It is a “feelgood” stunt in which the US president and Indian president share platitudes while the Obama-worshipping international media applaud.
Meanwhile, while the president is travelling with an entourage that would dwarf the armed forces of even large nations (US Navy ships deployed, a fleet of aircraft and vehicles, hundreds of advisors) and displaying a level of pomp and ceremony that would have impressed the old Raj, some American newspapers have been noting the cost of $200 million a day. For a president that runs up new spending in the trillions, this is small change. But he will be coming back to face a new Congress. And, after a two-year spending binge, he is asking it to make some major cuts – in the defence budget.
As it happens, the defence budget is the main source of President Obama’s lavish travel budget. When the Congressional committees – after January to be controlled by conservative Republicans – look at his wish to cut defence, they may note that the cost of this latest trip could have paid for a squadron of new F-35 fighters for the US Air Force, or a destroyer for the US Navy, or a whole new brigade for the US Army, complete with personnel and armoured vehicles. Republican Congressmen may note that America could have bought itself some real security in the form of men and equipment for a military worn down by a decade of conflict.
It comes down to a different worldview. Republicans and conservatives are happy to negotiate and push for peaceful solutions. But real international solutions are not obtained unless they are backed up by powerful armed forces. Reagan knew this – and that is why the US-Soviet negotiations led by him were so effective in winning a real peace.
But Barack Obama and his Leftist supporters have another view of defence spending. They believe that international problems can be solved by Western apologies, vast aid programmes to third world nations (especially hostile dictatorships) and disarmament. In return, the Western democracies get vague promises of good behaviour.
The Republicans need to make an issue of Obama’s grossly indulgent trip to India and use it to contrast the two parties’ philosophies of national security. As we found out last week, whatever Obama’s adulatory media might say, American voters prefer the Republicans’ worldview.
Tags: Barack Obama, defence budget, democrats, India, Republicans, us elections, US midterms
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamescorum/100062723/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-trip-to-india-is-a-grossly-indulgent-waste-of-the-defence-budget/
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yep, I got it wrong on the crist vote. I admitted it. You can keep rubbing my nose in it, and I can resort to talking about the shape of your kidneys, or some other immature bullshit like that, if you really wanna be pricks about it. Usually when a guy says "wow, I was wrong about that", most people willl accept that and move on.
If you don't think palin's a legit threat for the nomination in 2012, you must not be paying very close attention.
Intrade, the world global gambling/betting page - has it at 68.8% chance she'll announce she is running. It's climbing every day.
And, the world gambling has her at 2nd behind romney in likelihood of WINNING the nomination - ahead of huck, thune, etc
Ummmm,anytime you would like to compare blood work,Id be more then happy.Stop listening to the know nothing media.Steroids are safe!
Now,I wasnt talking about your silly Palin rant,I was talking about your enthusiasm rant.The republicans could run David Duke,and as long as Imam Obama is president,they will be fired up beyond belief.Add to that,Pelosi and Reid still being the heads of the democrat leadership and you will enthusiasm at an all time high.You still dont get it.WE HATE OBAMA!!!!!!We dont love republicans,we hate liberals like Pelosi and Reid.They have galvanised us until we defeat them completely.
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Ummmm,anytime you would like to compare blood work,Id be more then happy.Stop listening to the know nothing media.Steroids are safe!
I thought you said your kidneys were like swiss cheese.
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I thought you said your kidneys were like swiss cheese.
Nope,Im 100% healthy,other then massive joint and muscle injuries which are part of the sport.Never had one negative blood test,blood pressure is 117 over 75,cholesterol is 165.Plus havent ate a vegetable or fruit in twenty five years,so a side note and off topic FUCK YOU MICHELLE OBAMA.
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Nope,Im 100% healthy,other then massive joint and muscle injuries which are part of the sport.Never had one negative blood test,blood pressure is 117 over 75,cholesterol is 165.Plus havent ate a vegetable or fruit in twenty five years,so a side note and off topic FUCK YOU MICHELLE OBAMA.
Billy - did you see how fucking Huge she has gotten in that dancing video?
Sorry bro - you are big an all, but at this point i think she might give you a run for your money in deads, squat, and bench. ;D ;D ;D
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Billy - did you see how fucking Huge she has gotten in that dancing video?
Sorry bro - you are big an all, but at this point i think she might give you a run for your money in deads, squat, and bench. ;D ;D ;D
Her ass is as big as the moon.She is a fatty who wants to tell us what to eat.
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Her ass is as big as the moon.She is a fatty who wants to tell us what to eat.
She is beyond that. I cant believe how thick she is.
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New Delhi |11 hours ago
Bedspreads, Ganeshas, toys...Michelle can't stop buying at crafts museum
Monday, 08 November 2010 | http://www.nerve.in/news:253500351728 | channel: India
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"The museum has over 20,000 exhibits reflecting Indian crafts traditions and seven galleries spaces for display."
New Delhi, Nov 8 - Indian textiles and handicrafts charmed their way into Michelle Obama's shopping bag Monday as the US first lady almost ran out of money, picking up bedspreads, Ganeshas and wooden toys which, she said, would make for ideal Christmas gifts!
Michelle went on a shopping spree after arriving at the National Handicrafts and Handloom Museum in Pragati Maidan complex at 10.45 a.m. She was in the museum for nearly two hours, shooting well past her one-hour scheduled programme.
Museum director Ruchira Ghosh walked Michelle through the galleries devoted to the traditional textiles, rural handicrafts and art of India.
'Michelle was so impressed with the Indian handicrafts on display that she did not want to leave the museum. She went on a shopping binge, buying almost everything that she came across,' said Ghosh.
Michelle said she would have bought more had she been left with more money, those at the museum said.
The US first lady exhausted her shopping budget at the crafts museum and said the Indian craft items were ideal gifts of Christmas, barely one-and-a-half months away!
She was clad in the same black and green dress she had worn at Mahatma Gandhi's memorial Rajghat and from where she drove down in an eight-vehicle convoy to the crafts museum while her husband and US President Barack Obama left for Hyderabad House for talks with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
Her shopping list included four embroidered kantha bed spreads, Kutchi mobile phone bags, Kutchi dolls and a from Gujarati 'yogi thaila', which was a cloth bag with sequins and heavy embroidery.
Michelle also bought wooden toys from Karnataka, wooden key chains, three wooden Ganeshas and a wooden toy train. Part of the gifts she bought were also elephants and fans made of rice grain and rice stalk.
Also on display for the first lady were patachitra art from West Bengal, phulkari weaves from Punjab, phoosa art from Karnataka, dushala shawls from Jammu and Kashmir and handicrafts from Himachal Pradesh.
About 20 women artisans from across the country exhibited their work on the occasion.
Michelle was impressed by the rich legacy of Indian crafts.
She also interacted with 15 underprivileged girls of an NGO who make handicraft items for a living and showed a keen interest in the welfare of the girl child, museum sources said.
To add to her cultural experience were 'baul' folk singers from West Bengal.
The museum, which is usually closed Monday, was kept open specially for the first lady.
The museum was set up over a period of 30 years starting in the 1950s when the area adjacent to the Pragati Maidan was envisaged as a craft zone for artisans to work for the preservation of traditional art.
The museum has over 20,000 exhibits reflecting Indian crafts traditions and seven galleries spaces for display.
Michelle is accompanying husband Barack Obama during his first trip to India from Nov 6-9.
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Obama's Ignorance of World Affairs on Full Display in India
American Thinker ^ | 11/08/10 | Michael Filozof
When George W. Bush was sworn into office, he was mocked by his political enemies as a parochial idiot who had no understanding of world affairs. That proved untrue. By contrast Barack Obama was touted as a multicultural "citizen of the world" whose childhood residence in Indonesia, adult trips to Pakistan and Kenya, and Harvard degree were supposed proof of his sophistication. Obama subsequently disproved this belief by making reference to "speaking Austrian" during a European speech and sending Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Russia to "press the reset button," (the word "reset" in Russian was misspelled) a stunt so stupid that a high school girl at a Model UN conference probably wouldn't do it.
Now, in his quasi-imperial trip to India, Obama has made ridiculous P.C.-inspired statements that managed to offend both India and Pakistan and reveal an astounding ignorance of South Asian politics and history.
First, Obama told an Indian audience that he supported India's bid to gain a permanent seat (and veto) on the UN Security Council. Aside from the fact that this is unlikely to happen, the idea greatly offends Pakistan, a sworn enemy of India since both countries became independent in 1947. While Obama's support for an Indian seat on the Security Council was greeted with applause in India, it was immediately denounced by Pakistan. Pakistan is our "ally" in the war on terror, but it is very unstable, partially ungovernable, and likely harboring Osama bin Laden. Obama gratuitously offended it by supporting its #1 enemy, India. How can this possibly help our efforts in the Af-Pak theater of war?
Second, Obama contradicted centuries of Indian history when he told an Indian schoolgirl that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that only "extremists" corrupt it. According to The Hindu newspaper, Obama said Islam is "a religion that reaffirms peace, fairness, tolerance. I think all of us recognize that this great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted by violence." This must be an astonishingly false statement to Indian ears and to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Indian history.
India has had virtually non-stop conflict with Islam since it was first invaded by Muslims in the seventh century. Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan have been in a virtual state of war since 1947, when British India was partitioned along religious lines, resulting in nearly a million casualties. Today, both India and Pakistan are nuclear-armed powers. There have been at least three shooting wars since 1947 and constant low-grade war over Kashmir. The attack on the Indian parliament by Muslim terrorists in 2001 and the Mumbai Massacre, perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in 2008, are not the result of "extremists" who "distort" Islam but merely the latest incidents in centuries of war and conquest India has suffered at the hands of the "religion of peace."
It's clear that the Obama foreign policy isn't based on sophistication or even a basic knowledge of world affairs. It's based purely on fatuous P.C. sentiments that meet with approval in faculty lounges, but are downright dangerous to American security in the real world.
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Obama's Ignorance of World Affairs on Full Display in India
American Thinker ^ | 11/08/10 | Michael Filozof
When George W. Bush was sworn into office, he was mocked by his political enemies as a parochial idiot who had no understanding of world affairs. That proved untrue. By contrast Barack Obama was touted as a multicultural "citizen of the world" whose childhood residence in Indonesia, adult trips to Pakistan and Kenya, and Harvard degree were supposed proof of his sophistication. Obama subsequently disproved this belief by making reference to "speaking Austrian" during a European speech and sending Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Russia to "press the reset button," (the word "reset" in Russian was misspelled) a stunt so stupid that a high school girl at a Model UN conference probably wouldn't do it.
Now, in his quasi-imperial trip to India, Obama has made ridiculous P.C.-inspired statements that managed to offend both India and Pakistan and reveal an astounding ignorance of South Asian politics and history.
First, Obama told an Indian audience that he supported India's bid to gain a permanent seat (and veto) on the UN Security Council. Aside from the fact that this is unlikely to happen, the idea greatly offends Pakistan, a sworn enemy of India since both countries became independent in 1947. While Obama's support for an Indian seat on the Security Council was greeted with applause in India, it was immediately denounced by Pakistan. Pakistan is our "ally" in the war on terror, but it is very unstable, partially ungovernable, and likely harboring Osama bin Laden. Obama gratuitously offended it by supporting its #1 enemy, India. How can this possibly help our efforts in the Af-Pak theater of war?
Second, Obama contradicted centuries of Indian history when he told an Indian schoolgirl that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that only "extremists" corrupt it. According to The Hindu newspaper, Obama said Islam is "a religion that reaffirms peace, fairness, tolerance. I think all of us recognize that this great religion in the hands of a few extremists has been distorted by violence." This must be an astonishingly false statement to Indian ears and to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Indian history.
India has had virtually non-stop conflict with Islam since it was first invaded by Muslims in the seventh century. Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan have been in a virtual state of war since 1947, when British India was partitioned along religious lines, resulting in nearly a million casualties. Today, both India and Pakistan are nuclear-armed powers. There have been at least three shooting wars since 1947 and constant low-grade war over Kashmir. The attack on the Indian parliament by Muslim terrorists in 2001 and the Mumbai Massacre, perpetrated by Pakistani Muslims in 2008, are not the result of "extremists" who "distort" Islam but merely the latest incidents in centuries of war and conquest India has suffered at the hands of the "religion of peace."
It's clear that the Obama foreign policy isn't based on sophistication or even a basic knowledge of world affairs. It's based purely on fatuous P.C. sentiments that meet with approval in faculty lounges, but are downright dangerous to American security in the real world.
Hahahaha, finally someone with balls points out what the MSM refuses to with regards to India. The Indians dealt with 800+ years of continued Muslim assaults in their failed attempt to conquer India. Countless millions died and there are many historians who will tell you that it was arguably the most violent and brutal campaign ever waged.
There's a reason most Hindus loathe Muslims. And Obama's whitewashing of it isn't going to sit well with the Indians. If we're going to piss money away by dumping it off to other countries we might as well take the billions of dollars we send to the terrorist state of Pakistan every year and give it to India. At least we wouldn't be financing the murder of our own soldiers by our supposed "ally" by doing so.
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what palin does with campaign money is her own business.
what michelle obama buys with HER OWN MONEY is a big deal.
Gotcha!!
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what palin does with campaign money is her own business.
what michelle obama buys with HER OWN MONEY is a big deal.
Gotcha!!
Like she used her own money. ::)
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where's your prove she didn't use her own money, you been known to lie
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where's your prove she didn't use her own money, you been known to lie
Making a guess based on everything else these two grifters and thieves are all about.
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This India Trip is turning into another mess for obama.
His nonsense on Jihad was just embarassing.
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This India Trip is turning into another mess for obama.
His nonsense on Jihad was just embarassing.
obama could be eating his cereal for breakfast and you would call it a mess...your creditability has been long sacrificed..... 200 million right. oh..swat on grandmothers right. Insurance people said your 50% hikes came from obama care and thats why you are mad...dude give it a rest for a day or two...
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obama could be eating his cereal for breakfast and you would call it a mess...your creditability has been long sacrificed..... 200 million right. oh..swat on grandmothers right. Insurance people said your 50% hikes came from obama care and thats why you are mad...dude give it a rest for a day or two...
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So far the WH still wont even give a ballpark figure and the costs are staggering by any measure.
ObamaCare is causing premium spikes everywhere and is a disaster of epic measure. and its not only me saying that, its EVERYONE across the board but TEAM KNEEPAD.
Go to left wing sites, they hate it, manufacturwes - they hate it, old people - they hate it, businesses - they hate it. The only ones still supporting Kevorkian Care are the brain dead lhack dems so depserate to prop up this disaster of an admn.
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::) ::) So far the WH still wont even give a ballpark figure and the costs are staggering by any measure.
ObamaCare is causing premium spikes everywhere and is a disaster of epic measure. and its not only me saying that, its EVERYONE across the board but TEAM KNEEPAD.
Go to left wing sites, they hate it, manufacturwes - they hate it, old people - they hate it, businesses - they hate it. The only ones still supporting Kevorkian Care are the brain dead lhack dems so depserate to prop up this disaster of an admn.
But people who can get coverage love it.. ;D
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But people who can get coverage love it.. ;D
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Yeah, and when i go bang your wife and steal everything from your safe while you are at work, I love it to.
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Yeah, and when i go bang your wife and steal everything from your safe while you are at work, I love it to.
LMAO...and the insurance was so good before obama touched it..
I say...if youre gonna get fucked anyway, might as well get something out of it.
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LMAO...and the insurance was so good before obama touched it..
I say...if youre gonna get fucked anyway, might as well get something out of it.
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Please - your ignorance on obamaCare is embarassing. Stealing from peter to give something to Paul is not a good thing - its called theft.
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Please - your ignorance on obamaCare is embarassing. Stealing from peter to give something to Paul is not a good thing - its called theft.
your ignorance on The Fed is Embarassing.
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your ignorance on The Fed is Embarassing.
Really - that's funny - I only have read three books recently on the very subject.
Fill me in.
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Really - that's funny - I only have read three books recently on the very subject.
Fill me in.
Dude you act like congress has no say in the fed res...and they do. There has ALWAYS been Congresional oversite...Dude do you really wanna go there
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Dude you act like congress has no say in the fed res...and they do. There has ALWAYS been Congresional oversite...Dude do you really wanna go there
Yes.
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Yes.
In what way. you just acted like Congress' hands were tied...but in actually congress is the one who gives the "Ok" for shit.
but you wanna ask about me taking a civics class. But you are the one who dosent seem to grasp how the fed works
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In what way. you just acted like Congress' hands were tied...but in actually congress is the one who gives the "Ok" for shit.
but you wanna ask about me taking a civics class. But you are the one who dosent seem to grasp how the fed works
The Congress does not make Fed Policy. Why do you think Ron Paul was trying so hard to get a bill to audit the Fed itself? The Fed is not even a govt agency.
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/federalreserve/monetary/structure.html
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The Congress does not make Fed Policy. Why do you think Ron Paul was trying so hard to get a bill to audit the Fed itself? The Fed is not even a govt agency.
http://www.frbsf.org/publications/federalreserve/monetary/structure.html
Fuckhead i know they dont make policy. But they do have power over fed..which is what i was saying.. and what you are arguing against
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Fuckhead i know they dont make policy. But they do have power over fed..which is what i was saying.. and what you are arguing against
In what ways do they have control over it?
Even Greenspan said the Fed Reserve is above the govt itself.
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In what ways do they have control over it?
Even Greenspan said the Fed Reserve is above the govt itself.
Hey fuck head.. if you are created by congress and have to report to congress 2 times a year.. as well as any other time they come calling.. how is that not having some say in it.
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Because of how it was set up Mal - and stop name calling - it only makes you look even worse on this issue.
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Because of how it was set up Mal - and stop name calling - it only makes you look even worse on this issue.
First off.. im not watching your dumb ass videos. And the name calling was started by you. You are the the one who said congress had no say and then tell me im not informed in civics. When i learned in high school that Congress has Say in fed. its how our government works. Fed is not a money making bank, they god damn report to congress when congress says "we need to talk" am i wrong about that?
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They dont have any say in Fed Policy. And sorry - your simply stamping your feet does not make it so.
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Obama’s Disastrous Visit to India
November 9, 2010 | Filed Under Anti-Americanism, Barack Obama, Budget, Business, Capitalism, Democrats/Leftists, Economy/Finances, Elections, Free Trade, Government, Government, Corruption, India, Islam, Islamofascism, Liberals, Military, Pakistan, President, Security/Safety, Society/Culture, Terrorism, War on Terror, Warner Todd Huston, Western Civilization |
-By Warner Todd Huston
http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/11/09/obamas-disastrous-visit-to-india/
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President Barack Obama’s now concluding trip to India seems to have turned out to be a failed or at the very least unhelpful effort. His false starts, unhelpful comments and bad policy moves mark this visit as a bit of a mess.
Obama made multiple gaffes not only for India but for his own party back home not to mention his nation. As his political party was delivered a severe blow and his agenda was cut off at the knees on election day he was seen dancing happily all across the continent with a lavish visit paid for at the taxpayer’s expense even as those same taxpayers were enraged at wild government spending sprees. As the Indians worried over Obama’s foreign policy he refused to call the those that attacked them in Mumbai terrorists and finally on his exit from the country he delivered yet another one of his digs at his own country saying that America is a nation in decline.
Things began going wrong for The One even as he first arrived in one of the most vibrant nations on earth. For one thing he arrived a lesser president than when he originally set up the trip. His party was delivered a stunning and historic blow as the GOP picked up over 60 seats in the federal seat of power and hundreds more in the state legislatures in the Nov. 2 election, a feat that hasn’t been repeated since WWII. So Obama arrived with his mandate splintered and his power diminished. He is a president with less power to help his Indian hosts do anything.
Obama started by losing style points. Before he even arrived India’s political class was stunned to find out that this man that supposedly has a well known reputation for being an eloquent speaker was going to use teleprompters in his speeches in their country. This was quixotic and hard for the Indians to understand as their tradition of oratory is based on memorized speeches delivered with panache and the sort of apparent extemporaneous qualities that a canned speech from a teleprompter lacks. Right off the top this fact made Obama seem a smaller man to the Indians.
His party’s losses back home and the suspicion over his capabilities at oratory in India should have been a cue for a serious and subdued visit to India. But Obama and his high-flying wife seemed to have no clue that they should have adopted a more careful demeanor on the visit. They were seen dancing across the continent as if they didn’t have a care in the world and Mrs. Obama went on another one of her epic spending shopping sprees to boot. The frivolity, though, was the least of the problems with this visit.
Another, more damaging gaffe occurred as the president visited the city of Mumbai. His address there was a failure of resolve and an insult to the victims and families that suffered at the hands of Pakistani terrorists in the 2008 attack that saw some 175 people murdered. Not only did Obama refuse to identify the attackers as Pakistani nationals — and all of them were such — but he called them “killers” instead of terrorists. This caused some consternation in India.
It caused such concern that even a young Indian teenager asked the president why he refuses to identify Pakistan as a terrorist sponsoring nation? Alarmingly, instead of giving a serious answer to her question, Obama delivered platitudes saying, “India and Pakistan can prosper and live side by side, this will not happen tomorrow but needs to be the ultimate goal. The US can be a partner but cannot impose this process. India and Pakistan have their own understanding.”
This weak answer shows a lack of spine for fighting terrorism and a refusal to even identify the enemy to civilization.
Finally he ended this gaffe filled trip by once again dealing his own nation a rhetorical slap in the face. Obama told one of his last Indian audiences that the U.S. was a nation in decline and could no longer act as the powerful force it has been for so long.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in Mumbai, he said, “I do think that one of the challenges that we are going face in the US, at a time when we are still recovering from the financial crisis is, how do we respond to some of the challenges of globalisation? The fact of the matter is that for most of my lifetime and I’ll turn 50 next year - the US was such an enormously dominant economic power, we were such a large market, our industry, our technology, our manufacturing was so significant that we always met the rest of the world economically on our terms. And now because of the incredible rise of India and China and Brazil and other countries, the US remains the largest economy and the largest market, but there is real competition.”
As bad as it all was, at least this trip was a step up from the low lights of how Obama treated India thus far in his presidency. When Obama first took office, for instance, he made a major gaffe in immediately phoning the leader of Pakistan to introduce himself as the new American president while he didn’t call the Indian Prime Minister at all. Obama followed that up by slighting India again and again. His India policy until now has been at to at best ignore one of our hardest earned trading partners and at worst repeatedly slight them.
Whether Obama realizes it or not, though, India is an important ally in a part of the world dominated by China and an ally that the U.S. badly needs to counter that growing Chinese hegemony. Sadly, now that Obama may have finally realized that India is a valued partner with the U.S., his visit hardly helped cement that relationship. Only time will tell if this trip helped, hurt, or was immaterial to relations between America and India. The evidence so far is that it didn’t much help.
(Originally posted at BigGovernment.com)
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“The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or better to endure it.”
–Samuel Johnson
Warner Todd Huston is a Chicago based freelance writer. He has been writing opinion editorials and social criticism since early 2001 and before that he wrote articles on U.S. history for several small American magazines. His political columns are featured on many websites such as Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment.com, BigHollywood.com, and BigJournalism.com, as well as RightWingNews.com, CanadaFreePress.com, StoptheACLU.com, AmericanDaily.com, among many, many others. Mr. Huston is also endlessly amused that one of his articles formed the basis of an article in Germany’s Der Spiegel Magazine in 2008.
For a full bio, please CLICK HERE.
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They dont have any say in Fed Policy. And sorry - your simply stamping your feet does not make it so.
im not stamping my feet im stating that congress has say in the fed...they created it, they confirm appointees and they are reported to when they want a report.
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im not stamping my feet im stating that congress has say in the fed...they created it, they confirm appointees and they are reported to when they want a report.
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Why is Ron Paul seeking an audit of the Fed?
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To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
now this is the deal...ill stop calling you a fucktard but you gotta stop with the "youre utterly cluless" when 1..its just wrong and 2 its an unsult
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To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
now this is the deal...ill stop calling you a fucktard but you gotta stop with the "youre utterly cluless" when 1..its just wrong and 2 its an unsult
That's false bigmal
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That's false bigmal
I didnt make this up my man.. check it out
To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm
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I didnt make this up my man.. check it out
To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm
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That's propaganda.
Everyone knows a real audit have never been conducted.
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That's propaganda.
Everyone knows a real audit have never been conducted.
Why did Congress want the Federal Reserve to be relatively independent?
The intent of Congress in shaping the Federal Reserve Act was to keep politics out of monetary policy. The System is independent of other branches and agencies of government. It is self-financed and therefore is not subject to the congressional budgetary process.
Haha, pure Public Relations
Does anyone know why GAO has never audited the fed?
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That's propaganda.
Everyone knows a real audit have never been conducted.
ok
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again Mal - why do you think ron paul is pushing for a full audit of the fed?
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Obama’s Disastrous Visit to India
November 9, 2010 | Filed Under Anti-Americanism, Barack Obama, Budget, Business, Capitalism, Democrats/Leftists, Economy/Finances, Elections, Free Trade, Government, Government, Corruption, India, Islam, Islamofascism, Liberals, Military, Pakistan, President, Security/Safety, Society/Culture, Terrorism, War on Terror, Warner Todd Huston, Western Civilization |
-By Warner Todd Huston
http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/11/09/obamas-disastrous-visit-to-india/
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President Barack Obama’s now concluding trip to India seems to have turned out to be a failed or at the very least unhelpful effort. His false starts, unhelpful comments and bad policy moves mark this visit as a bit of a mess.
Obama made multiple gaffes not only for India but for his own party back home not to mention his nation. As his political party was delivered a severe blow and his agenda was cut off at the knees on election day he was seen dancing happily all across the continent with a lavish visit paid for at the taxpayer’s expense even as those same taxpayers were enraged at wild government spending sprees. As the Indians worried over Obama’s foreign policy he refused to call the those that attacked them in Mumbai terrorists and finally on his exit from the country he delivered yet another one of his digs at his own country saying that America is a nation in decline.
Things began going wrong for The One even as he first arrived in one of the most vibrant nations on earth. For one thing he arrived a lesser president than when he originally set up the trip. His party was delivered a stunning and historic blow as the GOP picked up over 60 seats in the federal seat of power and hundreds more in the state legislatures in the Nov. 2 election, a feat that hasn’t been repeated since WWII. So Obama arrived with his mandate splintered and his power diminished. He is a president with less power to help his Indian hosts do anything.
Obama started by losing style points. Before he even arrived India’s political class was stunned to find out that this man that supposedly has a well known reputation for being an eloquent speaker was going to use teleprompters in his speeches in their country. This was quixotic and hard for the Indians to understand as their tradition of oratory is based on memorized speeches delivered with panache and the sort of apparent extemporaneous qualities that a canned speech from a teleprompter lacks. Right off the top this fact made Obama seem a smaller man to the Indians.
His party’s losses back home and the suspicion over his capabilities at oratory in India should have been a cue for a serious and subdued visit to India. But Obama and his high-flying wife seemed to have no clue that they should have adopted a more careful demeanor on the visit. They were seen dancing across the continent as if they didn’t have a care in the world and Mrs. Obama went on another one of her epic spending shopping sprees to boot. The frivolity, though, was the least of the problems with this visit.
Another, more damaging gaffe occurred as the president visited the city of Mumbai. His address there was a failure of resolve and an insult to the victims and families that suffered at the hands of Pakistani terrorists in the 2008 attack that saw some 175 people murdered. Not only did Obama refuse to identify the attackers as Pakistani nationals — and all of them were such — but he called them “killers” instead of terrorists. This caused some consternation in India.
It caused such concern that even a young Indian teenager asked the president why he refuses to identify Pakistan as a terrorist sponsoring nation? Alarmingly, instead of giving a serious answer to her question, Obama delivered platitudes saying, “India and Pakistan can prosper and live side by side, this will not happen tomorrow but needs to be the ultimate goal. The US can be a partner but cannot impose this process. India and Pakistan have their own understanding.”
This weak answer shows a lack of spine for fighting terrorism and a refusal to even identify the enemy to civilization.
Finally he ended this gaffe filled trip by once again dealing his own nation a rhetorical slap in the face. Obama told one of his last Indian audiences that the U.S. was a nation in decline and could no longer act as the powerful force it has been for so long.
Speaking at a town hall meeting in Mumbai, he said, “I do think that one of the challenges that we are going face in the US, at a time when we are still recovering from the financial crisis is, how do we respond to some of the challenges of globalisation? The fact of the matter is that for most of my lifetime and I’ll turn 50 next year - the US was such an enormously dominant economic power, we were such a large market, our industry, our technology, our manufacturing was so significant that we always met the rest of the world economically on our terms. And now because of the incredible rise of India and China and Brazil and other countries, the US remains the largest economy and the largest market, but there is real competition.”
As bad as it all was, at least this trip was a step up from the low lights of how Obama treated India thus far in his presidency. When Obama first took office, for instance, he made a major gaffe in immediately phoning the leader of Pakistan to introduce himself as the new American president while he didn’t call the Indian Prime Minister at all. Obama followed that up by slighting India again and again. His India policy until now has been at to at best ignore one of our hardest earned trading partners and at worst repeatedly slight them.
Whether Obama realizes it or not, though, India is an important ally in a part of the world dominated by China and an ally that the U.S. badly needs to counter that growing Chinese hegemony. Sadly, now that Obama may have finally realized that India is a valued partner with the U.S., his visit hardly helped cement that relationship. Only time will tell if this trip helped, hurt, or was immaterial to relations between America and India. The evidence so far is that it didn’t much help.
(Originally posted at BigGovernment.com)
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“The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or better to endure it.”
–Samuel Johnson
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Why side with India when you can side with a terrorist state that you know full well is orchestrating the Afghan insurgency and playing a direct role in the killing of your soldiers while you send them billion of dollars a year. Fucking retard.
Obama's done nothing but slight India since taking office and I'm not the least bit surprised that he, once again, refused to call a spade a spade with regards to the MUSLIM TERRORISTS that killed 175 in Mumbai.
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again Mal - why do you think ron paul is pushing for a full audit of the fed?
Since the Federal Reserve has considerable discretion in carrying out its responsibilities, to whom is it accountable?
The Federal Reserve's ultimate accountability is to Congress, which at any time can amend the Federal Reserve Act. Legislation requires that the Fed report annually on its activities to the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and twice annually on its plans for monetary policy to the banking committees of Congress. Fed officials also testify before Congress when requested.
To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
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True - his answer on jihad was a disgrace and i was embarassed for our nation.
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True - his answer on jihad was a disgrace and i was embarassed for our nation.
Not any worse than John Brennan saying that jihad is a legitimate tenet of Islam and then making a laundry list of excuses for why it's OK. ::)
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Since the Federal Reserve has considerable discretion in carrying out its responsibilities, to whom is it accountable?
The Federal Reserve's ultimate accountability is to Congress, which at any time can amend the Federal Reserve Act. Legislation requires that the Fed report annually on its activities to the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and twice annually on its plans for monetary policy to the banking committees of Congress. Fed officials also testify before Congress when requested.
To ensure financial accountability, the financial statements of the Federal Reserve Banks and the Board of Governors are audited annually by an independent outside auditor. In addition, the Government Accountability Office, as well as the Board's Office of Inspector General, can audit Federal Reserve activities.
Do you really believe that?
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True - his answer on jihad was a disgrace and i was embarassed for our nation.
yet you support Palin for president..ironic
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yet you support Palin for president..ironic
She has many many major flaws - loving this nation and being on the right side of issues 85% of the time is not one of them.
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Do you really believe that?
you and i argue different things. I argue printed facts and you like to argue CT's and "you arent in tune to whats really going on" and maybe thats true. Im a Scientist and i only go off data and black and white. when commin up with your own theories, well not your own theories.. but diverting away from definitions opens the discussion to an endless number of factors..Thats why i stay away from it.
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you and i argue different things. I argue printed facts and you like to argue CT's and "you arent in tune to whats really going on" and maybe thats true. Im a Scientist and i only go off data and black and white. when commin up with your own theories, well not your own theories.. but diverting away from definitions opens the discussion to an endless number of factors..Thats why i stay away from it.
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PICK THIS GEM UP.
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PICK THIS GEM UP.
see im being serious. Maybe im not the best to talk about this because like i said im a pretty left brained by nature.. Im a black and white has to have reliable data kind of guy. Sometimes its good and sometimes its bad.. I guess in politics its bad. Case in point, The mosque thing, we are on different sides. Mine is based on constitution and yours is based on feelings and consideration.
But from now on.. if we are going to discuss things there are a few bans im puttin on you. The utterly cluless shit, you arent smart in civics and the ::) ::) shit has to stop.. be an adult and discuss like one. tha fuck is wrong wit you
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see im being serious. Maybe im not the best to talk about this because like i said im a pretty left brained by nature.. Im a black and white has to have reliable data kind of guy. Sometimes its good and sometimes its bad.. I guess in politics its bad. Case in point, The mosque thing, we are on different sides. Mine is based on constitution and yours is based on feelings and consideration.
But from now on.. if we are going to discuss things there are a few bans im puttin on you. The utterly cluless shit, you arent smart in civics and the ::) ::) shit has to stop.. be an adult and discuss like one. tha fuck is wrong wit you
The Federal Reserve system is one of the biggest ponzi schemes going. Your boy Farakhan gave a decent speech on this in fact. Trust me, after reading that book, even you might become a Ron Paul type on this issue.
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see im being serious. Maybe im not the best to talk about this because like i said im a pretty left brained by nature.. Im a black and white has to have reliable data kind of guy. Sometimes its good and sometimes its bad.. I guess in politics its bad. Case in point, The mosque thing, we are on different sides. Mine is based on constitution and yours is based on feelings and consideration.
But from now on.. if we are going to discuss things there are a few bans im puttin on you. The utterly cluless shit, you arent smart in civics and the ::) ::) shit has to stop.. be an adult and discuss like one. tha fuck is wrong wit you
Unfortunately Mal, it's not.
Once again, there is nothing in the constitution that states that people have the right to build a house of worship anywhere they please. And there are countless examples of various religious groups having their plans denied.
That said, I'm more apt to think the people at the Fed are completely incompetent, not that there's some grand conspiracy.
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Unfortunately Mal, it's not.
Once again, there is nothing in the constitution that states that people have the right to build a house of worship anywhere they please. And there are countless examples of various religious groups having their plans denied.
That said, I'm more apt to think the people at the Fed are completely incompetent, not that there's some grand conspiracy.
The people at the Fed are continually looking for ways to keep an unsustainable system going, and sadly, have to keep resorting to crazier schemes, as the last ones fail, and on and on and on.
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BF...there is ALWAYS a conspiracy..
Someone is getting their pockets lined... its the American way
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BF...there is ALWAYS a conspiracy..
Someone is getting their pockets lined... its the American way
Thats' fine - but the problem is that it comes with a disastrous impact on the average joe trying to save a dollar and make it in the economy.
When they devalue the dollar, its not a damn joke - its theft of your purchasing power!
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BF...there is ALWAYS a conspiracy..
Someone is getting their pockets lined... its the American way
That is the only reason the mosque is even being considered. There are quite a few examples of religious groups being denied permits to build in certain areas, but now all of a sudden it's all about the "constitution." and I'm not blaming you mal, it's just that the media is conveniently overlooking the other cases because "mosque near ground zero" drives ratings and blood pressure..
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I know this thread is a little old.
But I think the MAIN issue was somewhat lost when this story broke.
And that is how the business corporations are involved in all of this.
I haven't seen any reports on who went along, and what they did to get in on the ride.
I can understand that tax dollars paying for the president going abroad is the easy story to do.
But the real issue is if business corporations are getting political influence and if so, in what regard.
But neither Fox, CNN or MSNBC seems to be interested in investigating the ties between Obama and the mighty corporations.
And it's not just Obama, who's got a lot of banking lobby behind him, the same could be said for plenty of politicians.
Look at Bob Dole, he was the tobacco lobby's man.
Sarah Palin, she's owned by the oil industry.
Et al...
It's in both parties.
But nobody seems to be interested in investigating these ties.
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Unfortunately Mal, it's not.
Once again, there is nothing in the constitution that states that people have the right to build a house of worship anywhere they please. And there are countless examples of various religious groups having their plans denied.
That said, I'm more apt to think the people at the Fed are completely incompetent, not that there's some grand conspiracy.
Based solely on their religion?
When did that happen? ???
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Expert: past 10 days have been worst of President Obama's 'political life'
By Kenneth R. Bazinet
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Originally Published:Friday, November 12th 2010, 6:08 PM
Updated: Friday, November 12th 2010, 6:08 PM
Dharapak/APPresident Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama walk by an honor guard as they disembark Air Force One upon arrival in Jakarta, Indonesia, Tuesday.
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WASHINGTON - President Obama is coming home from his overseas trip pretty much empty-handed.
After watching his party take a beating in the midterm elections, Obama wasn't able to secure even a symbolic victory on a trip that was expected to give him plenty of opportunities to claim a win.
"This certainly was the worst 10 days of his political life," said Baruch College political scientist Doug Muzzio. "Given that he's not going to be able to get any domestic achievements with the Republicans in control of the House ... if he doesn't do it in foreign policy that's a big problem for him.
"He came back with bupkis [Yiddish for 'nothing']."
Obama's inauspicious 10-day, four-nation trip included a failure to land an anticipated slam dunk free trade agreement with South Korea.
It also included a botched effort to rally Western allies to press China to budge on a monetary policy that threatens to keep the U.S. economy in the tank.
Yet Obama appeared to shrug off the lack of results during summit meetings with the world's most powerful leaders.
"Naturally, there's an instinct to focus on the disagreements, because otherwise, these summits might not be very exciting; it's just a bunch of world leaders sitting around intervening," Obama told reporters in South Korea.
"What's remarkable is that in each of these successive summits we've actually made real progress," he added, without anything of substance to point to.
Compounding his problems, Obama had to dial back on comments made back home by top adviser David Axelrod, who suggested Obama will cave on ending tax cuts for the rich.
Even when he had a chance to back embattled outgoing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, his biggest political ally who wants to remain leader of the House Democrats, he hedged.
"I think Speaker Pelosi has been an outstanding partner for me," Obama said. "I think Harry Reid has been a terrific partner in moving some very difficult legislation forward."
Experts scoffed.
"If President [George W.] Bush was the great decider, then President Obama is the great considerer," Muzzio said.
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you and i argue different things. I argue printed facts and you like to argue CT's and "you arent in tune to whats really going on" and maybe thats true. Im a Scientist and i only go off data and black and white. when commin up with your own theories, well not your own theories.. but diverting away from definitions opens the discussion to an endless number of factors..Thats why i stay away from it.
The problem Mal is your facts are incomplete, and I suspect your understanding of what Paul wants is too. The federal reserve is audited by the Comptroller General, GAO, etc. What they are not providing you on their website is the limitations. The GAO typically deals with individual policies, but doesn't make an in-depth audit into the finances. Like if the Fed setup a specific program for such and such, then the GAO might audit it.
The Comptroller General can only conduct an on-site examination if the Fed consents. Also, the Comptroller General's office is forbidden by law to audit the following:
Foreign/International transactions
Talks or decisions about monetary policy, interest on deposits, market ops
Open market committee
And, I think, meetings.
So, what Ron Paul wants to do is eliminate the exclusions and prevent the Fed from blocking on-site examinations. Then, he wants the results of the audit to be pretty much given to most majority and minority leaders in both houses (this is the transparency).
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I posted all the sources for this.
34 Warships and their crew - thousands of people
3,000 people going along with POTUS
40 Jets - crew - fuel - etc
800 Rooms for a week in the Hotel
etc etc.
200 Million a day is probably on the low side.
333 Did you run off half-cocked on another anti-Obama story without even stopping to think?
Did you then change the title of the thread after the fact when you realized you fell for yet another anti-Obama lie?
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333 Did you run off half-cocked on another anti-Obama story without even stopping to think?
Did you then change the title of the thread after the fact when you realized you fell for yet another anti-Obama lie?
I posted the title as reported in the india and UK media. When the question was posed to Gibbs directly - he refused to answer so we don't have a direct amount. So the actual amount is unknown, although under any scenario its massive cost for nothing. This trip was another embarassment on so many levels. So I changed the the title sdince we don't know the exact amount although it is in the millions of dllars of day - the only issue at this point is the amount.
Regardles, Obama is wasting everyones' tax dollars. Look what happened in Seoul for fucks sake!
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here comes obama to a country near you,333386 style :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Besides, unless you know all the data - maybe there is a legit reason for that much hardware.
QFMFT!
So while he's on this trip, what all happened?
Nothing confirmed, of course. But we know "someone" fired a missile off the coast of Cali during rush hour.
So maybe it's possible Obama knows more about national security than ppl on getbig. just a theory!
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Trip was planned awhile ago.
BTW 240 - People all across the spectrum are saying Obama demonstrated he is F'ING CLUELESS with this trip.
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hey, he loked up on defense like it was the playoffs.
coincidentally... well, a lot of shit coincidentally happens...
I know, but but but they wouldn't do that...
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http://www.ptinews.com/news/1099052_When-Obama-shook-hands-with-Left-leader
When Obama shook hands with Left leader (Hussein: "I am glad to meet an Indian communist")
PTI News ^ | 11/09/10
When Obama shook hands with Left leader
STAFF WRITER 17:0 HRS IST
New Delhi, Nov 9 (PTI) The Left may have staged protests during his visit but US President Barack Obama was "glad" to meet an Indian communist leader last evening.
"I am glad to meet an Indian communist. I am told that communists have been part of the (Indian) political mainstream," Obama told CPI(M) politburo member Sitaram Yechury at the Rashtrapati Bhawan banquet as they were introduced and both shook hands.
Yechury told Obama that the Indian communists have been in the political mainstream "throughout".
Marking a departure from their past practice, leaders and MPs of the CPI(M) and CPI, known for their anti-US stance, had attended Obama's speech in Parliament last evening.
The CPI(M) leadership had maintained that "as we hear him, he should also listen to the voice of the Indian people and their protests".
But their Left ally, Forward Bloc, had boycotted the speech.
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What's so striking about that red statement? These guys (indian communists) have staunchly been against US policy for quite some time. I guess actually getting one of them to speak to the president and several to attend his speech, where in the past they would have told him to fuck off is now a horrible thing?
You're grasping at straws with that one.
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In my mind, I am never glad to meet communists.
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In my mind, I am never glad to meet communists.
That's why you aren't president =)
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That's why you aren't president =)
Same as Obama, after he loses the next election in 2012.
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Same as Obama, after he loses the next election in 2012.
Funny... When nothing changes over the next 2 years (and it won't), then who are you guys going to look for to fix it?
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Military Pegs Hourly Air Force One Cost at $180G, as Obama Sets Travel Record
Published November 24, 2010 | FoxNews.com
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The average American could buy a house for the amount of money it takes to run Air Force One every hour.
The U.S. military has provided an updated estimate on that cost, first published by a taxpayer watchdog group and confirmed by FoxNews.com, and the number is staggering -- $181,757 per hour. That's the price tag for shuttling around President Obama, who, as it turns out, has spent more days abroad in his first two years than any other president.
Estimates over the years based on government reports and independent number-crunching have always reflected a steep cost for presidential travel, but the figure provided by the 89th Airlift Wing appears to be far higher than any previously reported. It was first published in a report this week on presidential travel by the National Taxpayers Union Foundation.
"It's astonishing. It's far higher than any other ... figure that's been reported on. It's very surprising, and of course it's just a fraction of the overall cost involved with presidential travel," said policy analyst Demian Brady, who wrote the study.
Master Sgt. Jeff Capenos, with the 89th Airlift Wing, told FoxNews.com the figure reflects operating costs ranging from fuel to engine and aircraft maintenance. Asked why other public estimates, which typically did not exceed $100,000, were so much lower, he said: "They were probably inaccurate."
The National Taxpayers Union referred to the publication of the statistic as a "major coup for public disclosure." Brady said the high price tag, as compared with prior estimates, could be attributed not just to inflation, but a better and more specific accounting of the associated costs, as well as upgrades made to the aircraft. He urged the administration to be even more forthcoming with presidential travel costs.
Brady also used his report in part to tackle rumors about the cost of Obama's 10-day post-election tour through Asia. One Indian newspaper report quoted an anonymous local official claiming it would cost U.S. taxpayers $200 million every day, a figure Brady dismissed as "wildly exaggerated." The Obama administration also shot down that figure, without detailing the actual cost.
But the trip to India, Indonesia, South Korea and Japan was by no means cheap. While a total by-the-day figure may be impossible to come by, Brady estimated that the 48 hours of flight time logged on the trip would cost at least $8.7 million for Air Force One alone. The president's latest visit to Lisbon, Portugal, for a NATO conference would add another $2.7 million, he figured.
That Lisbon trip also set a record for Obama. By Brady's accounting, Obama has now logged 55 days overseas, surpassing former President George H.W. Bush's record of 54 days during his first two years. In total, Obama has visited 26 countries -- some of them more than once -- over the course of 15 trips.
Having been in office only two years, Obama has not come anywhere close to the overall record for presidential travel. That was set by former President Bill Clinton over the course of his two terms in office. Clinton logged 233 days abroad over the course of 55 trips. Former President George W. Bush comes in at a close second, with 215 days abroad over the course of 49 trips.
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U.S. Loses in Biggest Fighter-Jet Sale in 15 Years in India
Bloomberg Businessweek ^ | April 29, 2011, 3:21 AM EDT | By James Rupert
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- India’s Defence Ministry opted for European over American warplanes for the world’s biggest fighter-jet aircraft order in 15 years, snubbing the lobbying efforts by President Barack Obama.
The U.S. is “deeply disappointed” after India told it this week that Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. “were not selected for procurement” for the warplane, the American embassy in New Delhi said in a statement, citing Ambassador Timothy Roemer. India’s Defence Ministry will not comment on reports it has shortlisted the aircraft of France’s Dassault Aviation SA and the European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said by phone today.
The contest for India’s order may not be over yet, with approval by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s cabinet required following the Defense Ministry’s final recommendation. Obama has sought to strengthen ties with India, the world’s second-fastest growing major economy, aiming to boost export and job growth as the U.S. struggles to pull down an elevated unemployment rate.
(Excerpt) Read more at businessweek.com ...
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I guess obama built the planes too ::)
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U.S. Loses in Biggest Fighter-Jet Sale in 15 Years in India
Bloomberg Businessweek ^ | April 29, 2011, 3:21 AM EDT | By James Rupert
April 29 (Bloomberg) -- India’s Defence Ministry opted for European over American warplanes for the world’s biggest fighter-jet aircraft order in 15 years, snubbing the lobbying efforts by President Barack Obama.
The U.S. is “deeply disappointed” after India told it this week that Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. “were not selected for procurement” for the warplane, the American embassy in New Delhi said in a statement, citing Ambassador Timothy Roemer. India’s Defence Ministry will not comment on reports it has shortlisted the aircraft of France’s Dassault Aviation SA and the European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co., ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said by phone today.
The contest for India’s order may not be over yet, with approval by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s cabinet required following the Defense Ministry’s final recommendation. Obama has sought to strengthen ties with India, the world’s second-fastest growing major economy, aiming to boost export and job growth as the U.S. struggles to pull down an elevated unemployment rate.
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This man is an absolute failure as president. Couldn't use his personal appeal to bring home the Olympics. Can barely convince his own party to support him. Is unable to get Republican support for much of anything. Couldn't convince most of the world to support us in Libya. And now this?
Maybe he should take Jesse Jackson with him on international trips. Jesse actually has a better track record. lol
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This man is an absolute failure as president. Couldn't use his personal appeal to bring home the Olympics. Can barely convince his own party to support him. Is unable to get Republican support for much of anything. Couldn't convince most of the world to support us in Libya. And now this?
Maybe he should take Jesse Jackson with him on international trips. Jesse actually has a better track record. lol
Wait... You're saying that Obama is the reason why 2 US private companies were not selected by India to build fighters?
Really?!
Maybe the fact the US planes were probably twice the cost of the European models?
Maybe Obama and company didn't take the Indian Prime Minister out to the local strip club or get his dick sucked and the French dudes did?
How do you know what the fucking reason is?
Ridiculous statement for you guys to put this on the Obama... Boeing and Lockheed should be asked why they didn't measure up.
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Wait... You're saying that Obama is the reason why 2 US private companies were not selected by India to build fighters?
Really?!
Maybe the fact the US planes were probably twice the cost of the European models?
Maybe Obama and company didn't take the Indian Prime Minister out to the local strip club or get his dick sucked and the French dudes did?
How do you know what the fucking reason is?
Ridiculous statement for you guys to put this on the Obama... Boeing and Lockheed should be asked why they didn't measure up.
Its probably a bitch slap at Bama for his horrible monetary policies exporting inflation around the world. Many other countries are beyond pissed off at him and bernake over this.
Also - we are losing to the Frogs now? Come on. This is ridiculous.
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Wait... You're saying that Obama is the reason why 2 US private companies were not selected by India to build fighters?
Really?!
Maybe the fact the US planes were probably twice the cost of the European models?
Maybe Obama and company didn't take the Indian Prime Minister out to the local strip club or get his dick sucked and the French dudes did?
How do you know what the fucking reason is?
Ridiculous statement for you guys to put this on the Obama... Boeing and Lockheed should be asked why they didn't measure up.
I'm saying despite his in-person appeal, he failed . . . again. And that he's an absolute failure as president.
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Its probably a bitch slap at Bama for his horrible monetary policies exporting inflation around the world. Many other countries are beyond pissed off at him and bernake over this.
Also - we are losing to the Frogs now? Come on. This is ridiculous.
Probably?
Seriously? Your response is "probably"?
Let's be honest here... You would put anything on Obama... He probably is the reason for the Tsunami and the Tornadoes in your eyes... You are as bad as the people who said Bush was Hitler.
You're basically saying that India's procurement process is all about what they like... Even though they say they will be transparent and purchase that which makes the most sense for the government.
So India is also lying...
You guys have no clue how government procurement works... They put out bids... talk to people... then attempt to get the best bang for the buck.
Considering India is flying MIGs that they bought in the 70s, the French companies will probably come in cheaper and be much more efficient.... At most likely 1/2 the US price.
I'm saying despite his in-person appeal, he failed . . . again. And that he's an absolute failure as president.
Bullshit... People buy what makes sense. I don't buy the stuff from the guy who gets me a lapdance when it costs 3 times as much.
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Huh - how about the MILLIONS of jobs we sent over there helping their economy and growth? Thats not worth anything?
What the hell did the Frogs ever do for them?
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Bullshit... People buy what makes sense. I don't buy the stuff from the guy who gets me a lapdance when it costs 3 times as much.
That's your opinion. This isn't as simple as putting a contract out for bid. It's also about making a deal with the world's only super power.
And Obama failed . . . again.
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But what if the deal with the other guys was just better.. all the charm in the world dont matter.. and the olympics thing.. damn thats funny,... you put that on obama...hahahahahhaha amazing
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But what if the deal with the other guys was just better.. all the charm in the world dont matter.. and the olympics thing.. damn thats funny,... you put that on obama...hahahahahhaha amazing
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That's your opinion. This isn't as simple as putting a contract out for bid. It's also about making a deal with the world's only super power.
And Obama failed . . . again.
Yes it is... especially when India just had a huge issue with corruption stemming from its procurement of goods.
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Yes it is... especially when India just had a huge issue with corruption stemming from its procurement of goods.
Not it isn't. When a person or company can afford to pay for goods and services, regardless of cost, they don't simply pick the cheapest goods and services.
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Not it isn't. When a person or company can afford to pay for goods and services, regardless of cost, they don't simply pick the cheapest goods and services.
All things being equal they do...
If the French planes are 1% less advanced, yet 50% cheaper... They pick the french planes.
If you are saying otherwise, then you don't understand procurement in government.
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All things being equal they do...
If the French planes are 1% less advanced, yet 50% cheaper... They pick the french planes.
If you are saying otherwise, then you don't understand procurement in government.
All things are not equal. That's the point, which I'm not sure you understand. The U.S. is the world's only super power. They need us.
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All things are not equal. That's the point, which I'm not sure you understand. The U.S. is the world's only super power. They need us.
Why?
For what do they need us?
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All things are not equal. That's the point, which I'm not sure you understand. The U.S. is the world's only super power. They need us.
there is an up and coming super power, called china,so instead of the ra ra ra bullshit we better start doing something else
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there is an up and coming super power, called china,so instead of the ra ra ra bullshit we better start doing something else
By choice - because you messiah is TRYING to collapse the nation.
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All things are not equal. That's the point, which I'm not sure you understand. The U.S. is the world's only super power. They need us.
WOW...
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WOW...
Even the CEO of the black chamber of commerce who voted for Bama in 2008 said he is a complete disaster. When are you going to wake the hell up bro?
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Why?
For what do they need us?
We've probably given them billions in foreign aid. We're the nation that will come to their defense if they're attacked. We'll be dropping in manpower and food when they have their next natural disaster. Their students come to our country to get the best education possible. We produce the best weapons in the world. We lead or dictate the national discussion on many issues. The world revolves around the United States. We employ way too many of them to man call centers.
O.K., the call centers thing isn't a big deal, but I hate talking to people in India when I have a problem with cell phone service, etc. >:(
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We've probably given them billions in foreign aid. We're the nation that will come to their defense if they're attacked. We'll be dropping in manpower and food when they have their next natural disaster. Their students come to our country to get the best education possible. We produce the best weapons in the world. We lead or dictate the national discussion on many issues. The world revolves around the United States. We employ way too many of them to man call centers.
O.K., the call centers thing isn't a big deal, but I hate talking to people in India when I have a problem with cell phone service, etc. >:(
Absolutely nothing you have stated implies "need".
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Absolutely nothing you have stated implies "need".
lol. O.K.
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lol. O.K.
You laugh, but there are 6 billion people on the planet... The US has about 320 Million of them... You say the word "need" like it's air or water, and you give a bunch of things that are strictly opinion.
How about the US "needing" India?
Isn't that why you're really upset? We NEED them to buy our planes, but they won't?
Sounds like we need them, not the other way around.
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You laugh, but there are 6 billion people on the planet... The US has about 320 Million of them... You say the word "need" like it's air or water, and you give a bunch of things that are strictly opinion.
How about the US "needing" India?
Isn't that why you're really upset? We NEED them to buy our planes, but they won't?
Sounds like we need them, not the other way around.
C'mon dude. I don't think you even believe some of the stuff you say. You're seriously telling me the fact we have likely given them billions in foreign aid doesn't constitute a "need" on their part?
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C'mon dude. I don't think you even believe some of the stuff you say. You're seriously telling me the fact we have likely given them billions in foreign aid doesn't constitute a "need" on their part?
I don't think we should be "giving" money to any country...
I think every country NEEDS every other country in the global economy... I don't believe that the US holds some lock on other countries "needing" us.
You apparently do.
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In bamas america, albania, algeria, azerbaijan, and argentina are all equal powers to the usa.
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I don't think we should be "giving" money to any country...
I think every country NEEDS every other country in the global economy... I don't believe that the US holds some lock on other countries "needing" us.
You apparently do.
I wasn't asking about whether we should. I don't like all of the foreign aid we hand out. I'm asking about whether the fact we may give billions in foreign aid to a country over the course of years (regardless of whether you agree with giving it) = a "need."
There is more than one country that "needs" us. Israel is one. Kuwait. South Korea. Probably many others.
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Xerox CEO, an Obama appointee, may send jobs to Indian firm
Xerox employees were told last week of a possible deal with Indian offshore firm HCL
Patrick Thibodeau
May 23, 2011 (Computerworld)
WASHINGTON -- Xerox, whose CEO, Ursula Burns, is advising President Obama on exports, last week told its product engineering employees that it is in outsourcing talks with India-based IT services firm HCL Technologies.
Some of the affected Xerox employees may see their jobs transferred to HCL, said a Xerox spokesman, but how many will be affected is not known. Xerox has "hundreds of employees" working in product engineering groups in California, New York, Oregon, the Netherlands and the U.K., the spokesman said.
Burns was appointed last year as vice chairwoman of the President's Export Council, a panel of CEOs advising the Obama administration on how to increase exports, which would lead to an increase in domestic jobs. Boeing CEO and Chairman James McNerney is the council's chairman.
Burns is outspoken on the need to improve the pool of math and science graduates in U.S. schools. In a recent video interview on CNN, she warned that if graduation rates in these areas don't increase, "we become a server nation; our standard of living must decline."
Burns, in that interview, also argued that there is a dearth of workers who can fill skilled jobs, and when jobs aren't filled, the response from U.S. employers is, "We exported the work."
"The work has to be done, so we send the work to people in other places that can get it done. This is absolutely backwards," Burns said.
But a Xerox employee who would be affected by the action and who spoke to Computerworld on condition of anonymity said the outsourcing agreement is being done to cut costs.
Engineering "is the core of America, and to cut that is almost criminal," the employee said. "If you don't have an engineering base in this country, you don't produce anything."
The employee continued, "If you are giving Americans jobs, isn't that a good thing for Xerox?"
The affected Xerox employee said workers were called to a meeting last Wednesday and told about the possible HCL agreement. There were 200 to 250 employees at the meeting, and they were told that "we would all become HCL employees," this employee said.
An agreement is expected sometime next month.
Xerox spokesman Bill McKee said all that's been announced is that the company is "exploring a partnership with HCL." It hasn't announced layoffs, and it's too early to speculate on the impact on the workforce, he said.
The Xerox employee said there are few details about what will happen to the local workforce, but among the concerns is that some of the job offers will be for positions at out-of-state facilities. "It's obvious there is a huge reduction of labor."
McKee said the HCL partnership is being explored "to help us improve the efficiency and effectiveness of our global product engineering operation. We have great skills and talent in our organization, yet we don't have the scale necessary to be a leader in all areas," he said.
"It becomes increasingly clear that to win, we have to partner with other industry leaders," McKee said.
Among the topics being discussed by Xerox employees is a remark made by Vineet Nayar, CEO of HCL Technologies, in 2009, when he reportedly called most American college graduates "unemployable."
The only prior indicator that changes were ahead at Xerox was an internal webcast earlier this year describing a plan to cut some research and development engineering costs to one-third of current levels, the affected employee said. Asked about that, McKee said, "We have never said we would reduce R&D spend." The company has said "that we will be shifting our revenue mix to a higher percentage of services, a business that is targeted to grow between 6% and 8% by 2012. To support that, we have clearly indicated our R&D focus will also shift to a services-led, technology-driven business."
He added, "More than half of our revenue now comes from services. We will continue to shift R&D to support the direction the company is moving in."
Burns will have a "huge impact" on what happens to former Xerox employees, said Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology who has testified in Congress about the impact of outsourcing. Among the things Xerox will control is how many employees are retained and how many will be transferred to HCL.
"Xerox will also control whether HCL hires American workers or brings in guest workers on H-1B and L-1 visas," Hira said.
What typically happens in an outsourcing agreement is that some workers are laid off, generally those who are older and have higher salaries, Hira said.
If Xerox follows the practices of other outsourcing agreements, Hira said, "some Xerox workers will be kept on in a transitional phase, where they will be laid off some months in the future but they will be asked to train their HCL replacement. Sometimes this is sweetened with severance, but given the current job market, that sweetener won't be very generous."
HCL, according to Hira's research, largely relies on L-1 visas to transfer its overseas employees to the U.S. Last year, the company used 85 H-1B visas and 2,935 L-1s.
Hira believes that Burns will not favor investments that create jobs in America over countries with lower-cost labor.
"By overstocking his export council with so many CEOs, President Obama has set it up to fail," said Hira. "There's no way that Ms. Burns or any other CEO [on the council] will allow solutions that help American workers and the American economy but at the expense of profits and compensation for upper management."
Patrick Thibodeau covers SaaS and enterprise applications, outsourcing, government IT policies, data centers and IT workforce issues for Computerworld. Follow Patrick on Twitter at @DCgov or subscribe to Patrick's RSS feed . His e-mail address is pthibodeau@computerworld.com.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/print/9216954/Xerox_CEO_an_Obama_appointee_may_send_jobs_to_Indian_firm?taxonomyName=Outsourcing&taxonomyId=72
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Now we know why this traitor went to India. Good job you jerkoffs who voted for this.
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great more drunk guy in front of concrete wall
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What do you disagree with ?
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u.s has been sending computer related jobs for years nothing new here.they are happy to work for a fraction of the salary of their american counterparts.
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u.s has been sending computer related jobs for years nothing new here.they are happy to work for a fraction of the salary of their american counterparts.
LMFAO! She is head of his god damned export council!
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get out of your appartment once in a while, we donn't make shit any more,we are a service country
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I wasn't asking about whether we should. I don't like all of the foreign aid we hand out. I'm asking about whether the fact we may give billions in foreign aid to a country over the course of years (regardless of whether you agree with giving it) = a "need."
There is more than one country that "needs" us. Israel is one. Kuwait. South Korea. Probably many others.
wwjd
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wwjd
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Usually that is the retort when one has no response. Play the Jesus card.
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Usually that is the retort when one has no response. Play the Jesus card.
i was joking ::) ::)
i know beach is a devout christian..
so ::) ::) back at you.. fucktard
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i was joking ::) ::)
i know beach is a devout christian..
so ::) ::) back at you.. fucktard
And you are a devout dope. Back at you - dicktard
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And you are a devout dope. Back at you - dicktard
why am i a dope.. because i dont make up shit and then lie about making it up and then put it off on someone else.. i know why you hate me.. because i call your bullshit and you have zero retort..hahaha
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why am i a dope.. because i dont make up shit and then lie about making it up and then put it off on someone else.. i know why you hate me.. because i call your bullshit and you have zero retort..hahaha
I don't hate you - i pity you.
BBBOOOOMMMMMMM
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I don't hate you - i pity you.
BBBOOOOMMMMMMM
there ya go.. avoid..
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there ya go.. avoid..
Hey Mal - thoughts on Barry's export Czar shipping jobs to India?
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Hey Mal - thoughts on Barry's export Czar shipping jobs to India?
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More Deflection
i dont like jobs going anywhere..
The Malcolm Plan..
Tax The hell out of Companies that outsource...like the hell out of
Trade Tariffs... yeah.. 30% on imports..
Thats my take on global economy..
You will bring jobs to America.. or you will get taxed beyoch
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More Deflection
i dont like jobs going anywhere..
The Malcolm Plan..
Tax The hell out of Companies that outsource...like the hell out of
Trade Tariffs... yeah.. 30% on imports..
Thats my take on global economy..
You will bring jobs to America.. or you will get taxed beyoch
Thats Trumps' plan. I dont remember you supporting him.
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Thats Trumps' plan. I dont remember you supporting him.
Well maybe i would... if his other stance wasnt "obama wasnt born here"
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Military Pegs Hourly Air Force One Cost at $181G per Hour, as Obama Sets Travel Record
FoxNews.com ^ | Published November 24, 2010 | Staff
Posted on November 27, 2011 11:57:01 PM EST by garjog
he average American could buy a house for the amount of money it takes to run Air Force One every hour.
The U.S. military has provided an updated estimate on that cost, first published by a taxpayer watchdog group and confirmed by FoxNews.com, and the number is staggering -- $181,757 per hour. That's the price tag for shuttling around President Obama, who, as it turns out, has spent more days abroad in his first two years than any other president.
Estimates over the years based on government reports and independent number-crunching have always reflected a steep cost for presidential travel, but the figure provided by the 89th Airlift Wing appears to be far higher than any previously reported. It was first published in a report this week on presidential travel by the National Taxpayers Union Foundation.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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C'mon dude. I don't think you even believe some of the stuff you say. You're seriously telling me the fact we have likely given them billions in foreign aid doesn't constitute a "need" on their part?
Do you share Peter Schiffs wiev on economics?
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Bump.
More money obama pissed away from taxpayers.
Freaking grifting ghetto gonif!
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Bump.
More money obama pissed away from taxpayers.
Freaking grifting ghetto gonif!
post the sources
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fuck it... ill post mine
India on $200 Million a Day? Not!
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
Critics of President Obama’s are abuzz with the charge that the American government will spend $200 million a day, or a total of $2 billion, to send the president on the 10-day mission to four countries that began today.
Except there is no evidence that it’s true.
Government officials said Friday that the rumored costs — which began from unnamed sources on a TV station Web site in India, the first stop on the president’s trip — are false.
In a posting on the White House blog, Dan Pfeiffer, the communications director, called it “a long trip from reality” and said the rumor so far overstates the amount actually to be spent that “it’s not even close to being true.”
That has not stopped some of Mr. Obama’s critics from repeating the rumor as fact. Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio host, announced simply: “Two hundred million dollars a day this nation will spend on Obama’s trip to India.”
Fox News host Glenn Beck calculated the total 10-day cost as just “$2 billion,” adding, “We have 34 warships — have you seen this?”
In response, Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon spokesman, dismissed as “absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia.”
“That’s just comical,” he said. “Nothing close to that is being done.”
In fact, the $200 million-per-day figure would, according to factcheck.org, be higher than the daily cost of the entire Afghanistan war, which the Congressional Research Service puts at about $190 million per day.
That’s not to say that presidential trips are not costly. A General Accounting Office report calculated that President Clinton’s similar 12-day trip to Africa in 1998 cost $42.8 million, or about $3.6 million a day.
What does that include? The expense of operating Air Force One and the other aircraft, hotels and other travel expenses, telecommunications and the vehicles used in other countries. It does not, the G.A.O. report says, include Secret Service costs, which are classified.
But according to factcheck.org, the claims about costs from Mr. Obama’s critics are “highly doubtful” with no evidence to support them.
“The total cost including Secret Service protection would of course be somewhat higher, but even doubling or tripling those figures and adding in an adjustment for inflation would not produce anything close to the figure given by the Indian news article for Obama’s trip,” the group said.
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post the sources
Its in this thread jackass.
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Yet obama did not release the cost! go figure.
fuck it... ill post mine
India on $200 Million a Day? Not!
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
Critics of President Obama’s are abuzz with the charge that the American government will spend $200 million a day, or a total of $2 billion, to send the president on the 10-day mission to four countries that began today.
Except there is no evidence that it’s true.
Government officials said Friday that the rumored costs — which began from unnamed sources on a TV station Web site in India, the first stop on the president’s trip — are false.
In a posting on the White House blog, Dan Pfeiffer, the communications director, called it “a long trip from reality” and said the rumor so far overstates the amount actually to be spent that “it’s not even close to being true.”
That has not stopped some of Mr. Obama’s critics from repeating the rumor as fact. Rush Limbaugh, the conservative radio host, announced simply: “Two hundred million dollars a day this nation will spend on Obama’s trip to India.”
Fox News host Glenn Beck calculated the total 10-day cost as just “$2 billion,” adding, “We have 34 warships — have you seen this?”
In response, Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon spokesman, dismissed as “absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia.”
“That’s just comical,” he said. “Nothing close to that is being done.”
In fact, the $200 million-per-day figure would, according to factcheck.org, be higher than the daily cost of the entire Afghanistan war, which the Congressional Research Service puts at about $190 million per day.
That’s not to say that presidential trips are not costly. A General Accounting Office report calculated that President Clinton’s similar 12-day trip to Africa in 1998 cost $42.8 million, or about $3.6 million a day.
What does that include? The expense of operating Air Force One and the other aircraft, hotels and other travel expenses, telecommunications and the vehicles used in other countries. It does not, the G.A.O. report says, include Secret Service costs, which are classified.
But according to factcheck.org, the claims about costs from Mr. Obama’s critics are “highly doubtful” with no evidence to support them.
“The total cost including Secret Service protection would of course be somewhat higher, but even doubling or tripling those figures and adding in an adjustment for inflation would not produce anything close to the figure given by the Indian news article for Obama’s trip,” the group said.
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Its in this thread jackass.
FINISH HIMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp
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Hahahaa
What did Michelle say it cost?
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FINISH HIMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp
And that was what reported at the time jackass. And obama still has not released the costs correct?
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Flawless Victory!!!!!!!
Fuzzy Math Dogs Obama’s Asia Trip.Article Video Comments (85) Washington Wire HOME PAGE ».smaller Larger .smaller Larger facebooktwitterTweetgoog le pluslinked ininShare.1EmailPrint
By Jonathan Weisman
As if Tuesday’s shellacking wasn’t enough, President Barack Obama is getting pilloried by the right on the cost of his 10-day trip to Asia, with outlandish hyperventilation going directly from suspect Indian media reports to conservative U.S. media outlets and commentators without a pause for fact-checking.
Photo by Yuri Gripas-pool/Getty ImagesFirst, the Press Trust of India reported that Mr. Obama’s entourage would be spending $200 million a day for two days in India, a claim that was quickly repeated last night by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R., Minn.) on CNN. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said, “The numbers reported in this article have no basis in reality,” and are “wildly inflated,” but “due to security concerns,” he would not offer an alternative price tag.
Snopes.com, a website devoted to myth busting, noted that even if the Indian press has correctly reported the size of the president’s entourage – 3,000 – the cost would work out to $66,000 per person per day, “a figure that stretches credulity to the breaking point.” Factcheck.org noted that the entire war in Afghanistan costs $190 million a day.
But the report is demonstrably incorrect. It says the White House had blocked off the entire Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai – it hasn’t – and that the press traveling with Mr. Obama will be staying there. We won’t. Besides, the press pays its own way at considerable cost to the media outlets, not the U.S. taxpayer.
Now a new rumor has emerged courtesy of India’s NDTV. Mr. Obama, the outlet says, “will be protected by a fleet of 34 warships, including an aircraft carrier, which will patrol the sea lanes off the Mumbai coast.” The White House called that ridiculous. But on the conservative Drudge Report website, it’s on the home page – in huge type.
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So what was the cost?
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So what was the cost?
Not the $200 mil you predicted... And the periodical that you trust... Wall Street Journal.... yeah.. you said you trust them....yeah they said the "report" was "demonstrably incorrect"
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Not the $200 mil you predicted... And the periodical that you trust... Wall Street Journal.... yeah.. you said you trust them....yeah they said the "report" was "demonstrably incorrect"
I agree its not $200 million now, but what was the actual cost? $50 million a day?
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hahahaha look at this pussy backpedaling now. What page is this thread on?
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I agree its not $200 million now, but what was the actual cost? $50 million a day?
Fatality!!!!!!!!!!
FLAWLESS VICTORY
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Fatality!!!!!!!!!!
FLAWLESS VICTORY
LOL. i changed the thread title llllooongg ago when it was in question.
What is the cost again?
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LOL. i changed the thread title llllooongg ago when it was in question.
What is the cost again?
less than this
CNN says that the most expensive presidential trip on record — Bill Clinton’s Asia trip — cost $50 million dollars — not per day, but for the entire trip.
Source: minnesotaindependent.com
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Obama Trip to India Cost: Will it Cost $200 Million a Day? | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-trip-india-cost-will-it-cost-200-million-day-2723758.html#ixzz1yFThMzF1
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-trip-india-cost-will-it-cost-200-million-day-2723758.html
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less than this
CNN says that the most expensive presidential trip on record — Bill Clinton’s Asia trip — cost $50 million dollars — not per day, but for the entire trip.
Source: minnesotaindependent.com
Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Obama Trip to India Cost: Will it Cost $200 Million a Day? | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-trip-india-cost-will-it-cost-200-million-day-2723758.html#ixzz1yFThMzF1
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/obama-trip-india-cost-will-it-cost-200-million-day-2723758.html
We don't know that since obama wont release the costs.
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We don't know that since obama wont release the costs.
Well if you dont know... be responsible and dont make a fucking thread about it
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Well if you dont know... be responsible and dont make a fucking thread about it
He would never make another thread then.
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Well if you dont know... be responsible and dont make a fucking thread about it
The first information was that it cost 200 million.
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The first information was that it cost 200 million.
Let me guess from a conservative "news" source
You really are a useful brainwashed sheep
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Let me guess from a conservative "news" source
You really are a useful brainwashed sheep
Right.. but this fag goes hard on the Exit Poll in Wisconson, and how shotty their research was. But if its negative for Obama, this idiot will listen to a 6 year old kids with scitzo's REPORT on Obama. Shit is sickening, because he doesnt understand the term journalistic integrity. But claims to be an adult.
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Right.. but this fag goes hard on the Exit Poll in Wisconson, and how shotty their research was. But if its negative for Obama, this idiot will listen to a 6 year old kids with scitzo's REPORT on Obama. Shit is sickening, because he doesnt understand the term journalistic integrity. But claims to be an adult.
The exit poll was provien wrong by the actual vote tally, not that such a simple thing to grasp means anything to you.
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The exit poll was provien wrong by the actual vote tally, not that such a simple thing to grasp means anything to you.
You can go all day with my posts and im as accurate as they come.. And if im proven wrong, I eat it. You go in with your "reports" and those shits are proven wrong... yes PROVEN wrong and you stick with them. Im not sure if youre playing some kind of game or something. But your integrity in live is Zero because you cant Post with any principles at all.
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You can go all day with my posts and im as accurate as they come.. And if im proven wrong, I eat it. You go in with your "reports" and those shits are proven wrong... yes PROVEN wrong and you stick with them. Im not sure if youre playing some kind of game or something. But your integrity in live is Zero because you cant Post with any principles at all.
LOL.
The exit poll was proven wrong by the actual vote tally. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
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LOL.
The exit poll was proven wrong by the actual vote tally. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
Im not disputing that. Did you see me dispute that?
My issue is, you will vett the hell out of that, but not do one single fact check before $200 mil/ day shit.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hotels-obamas-india-visit-cost-17m_848086.html
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