"Big bang" theorie my ass......much too complex for there NOT to be a Creator!!
"Big bang" theorie my ass......much too complex for there NOT to be a Creator!!
they CAN co-exist, ya know.
Big Bang explains a lot. But there had to be someone/something with the power and brilliance and ability to create the big bang.
I don't believe the Big bang theories, there has to be an originator, science can come up with alot of "theories" but there has to be an originator.....and they cannot explain that.
Supposedly this is the only known photograph of God that exists.
I don't believe the Big bang theories, there has to be an originator, science can come up with alot of "theories" but there has to be an originator.....and they cannot explain that.
Can you admit the possibility that the Creator set off the big bang?
If there was a big bang....of course!!
If there was a big bang....of course!!
Mr.Brutal brainpower speaks. :)
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ROFL! ;D
Rather than using logic and science to determine what is MOST LIKELY to have happened while simultaneously acknowledging that it is simply a theory which may later be tweaked, Christians do the next best thing that any scientific or rational minded person would do - make shit up.
Now?
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Now?
If I'm not mistaken, that is a photo by the hubble telescope of a patch of sky 1/10th the size of the full moon. There are about 10,000 galaxies that patch of sky. Each galaxy probably has 500 million stars in it.
Re: LOL @ anyone who takes life seriously
No....making shit up is thinking that "scientists" can figure out the creation (or evolution if you believe in that sort of thing ::)) of the Universe in about a hundred years. They can't find a cure for cancer or aids, but they sure know how the Universe was created.....there was even one retard that said it's been figured out...."case closed"!!
Science will always provide more accurate descriptions of phenomena, and more accurate explanation of causal factors than "making shit up" will ever give ya. And face it: The bible = making shit up.
Yeah, see...the problem with that is there is more proof from legit archeological findings (yes, by secular archeologists) that match the books of the Bible.....science can't say that.
Follow logic, reason, and science to formulate the decisions in your life, and never emotion. Even though emotion IS right SOME of the time, it is by and large not right MOST of the time. Ever since I decided to only apply rigid logic to the decisions I make, I've found that things go much better for me.
No one is saying that science is perfect, simply that it is the BEST and MOST accurate system we have. Even if you were to say science is riddled with flaws, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you - I'd simply point out that ANY other system has even MORE flaws. That's my point.
Also, is this the picture that jr posted? If so, that is a very good flowchart!
It was also science that proved not only the bible was true, but accurate as well for what was found. Matt, I can pull up all kinds of science that back the bible. Do you really think there is no scientific research being done??
All you have is are scientists that try to DISPROVE what they cannot figure out.
It's hard for me to debate your original assertion = "making shit up" (the bible), by bringing in new pieces of evidence to strengthen your case by = "making more shit up". ;D
It's kind of like debating TA. :-\
It was also science that proved not only the bible was true, but accurate as well for what was found. Matt, I can pull up all kinds of science that back the bible.
The Scientific Method : Here are the facts. What conclusions can we draw from them?
The Creationist Method : Here's the conclusion. What facts can we find to support it?
Archeological findings that match the people and dates of the bible are not facts ???
Archeological findings that match the people and dates of the bible are not facts ???
Post more please.
the people who follow your sort of reasoning can't be trusted. they're the same people who say that the word "day" in the bible is of course metaphorical and actually referred to a period of 2 billion years.
Here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
The difference between you and I (and other freethinkers) is that I believe what the facts show are most likely to be true, whereas you believe what you want. Then you try to grasp at whatever evidence you can to hold on to your beliefs. I don't necessarily want to believe what I do - I only do so because it appears to be the most accurate given all of the data I have.
I can do that too Matt.....
http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/archeology/
http://christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
the people who follow your sort of reasoning can't be trusted. they're the same people who say that the word "day" in the bible is of course metaphorical and actually referred to a period of 2 billion years.
The Bible is obviously a fairy tale for children... your average 5-year-old could see through it... yet for some reason millions of supposed "grown adults" view it as literal truth.
If you want to believe in a supreme being, fine, but at least take the somewhat rational position that the science is correct but that "God" is behind it, creating the universe using natural processes and the physical laws of the universe as we know them to be rather that accepting obvious myths simply because they're written down in some moldy 2000-year-old book.
Like Spinoza's version of god? Hey, if I say god is everywhere no one will know I'm an atheist right? ;D
The yellow frog is God.
"Big bang" theorie my ass......much too complex for there NOT to be a Creator!!
Follow logic, reason, and science to formulate the decisions in your life, and never emotion. Even though emotion IS right SOME of the time, it is by and large not right MOST of the time. Ever since I decided to only apply rigid logic to the decisions I make, I've found that things go much better for me.
No one is saying that science is perfect, simply that it is the BEST and MOST accurate system we have. Even if you were to say science is riddled with flaws, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you - I'd simply point out that ANY other system has even MORE flaws. That's my point.
Also, is this the picture that jr posted? If so, that is a very good flowchart!
Wiki:
Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups. As a relatively new area of psychological research, the definition of EI is constantly changing.
Science will always provide more accurate descriptions of phenomena, and more accurate explanation of causal factors than "making shit up" will ever give ya. And face it: The bible = making shit up.
Science will always be more trustworthy than some man made horsecrap, because science actually demands critical thinking.
The only way to buy the religious dogma and the explanations it provides is to avoid all forms of ciritical thinking.
I'll put it to you this way: I get along with everyone as well as anyone possibly can. If there is someone that *I* can't get along with, I highly doubt the ability of anyone to be able to do so.
There would be no way reasoning with joelocal. If there was a way to reason with him, rest assured, I would be able to do so.
I'll put it to you this way: I get along with everyone as well as anyone possibly can. If there is someone that *I* can't get along with, I highly doubt the ability of anyone to be able to do so.
There would be no way reasoning with joelocal. If there was a way to reason with him, rest assured, I would be able to do so.
Yeah, see...the problem with that is there is more proof from legit archeological findings (yes, by secular archeologists) that match the books of the Bible.....science can't say that.
I won't claim to know how this world was created, but one thing both you and I will agree on is that Gary Busey played a key role.
ROFL! ;D
Rather than using logic and science to determine what is MOST LIKELY to have happened while simultaneously acknowledging that it is simply a theory which may later be tweaked, Christians do the next best thing that any scientific or rational minded person would do - make shit up.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Because I disagree with your theories as opposed to my facts means we don't get along? HHmmmmm, kinda shallow, but, ok :-\
Do you not get along with everyone that doesn't agree with you?
you have to remember that our science is so immature it's silly. 400 years ago, we thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Imagine what we'll understand about matter and energy and travel in 1000 years. We've had computers for 60 years and they control a world network. Give them 600 years, see what they're capable of.You forgot to mention that Getbig has only been around for 10 years and already controls the ADVERTISING world.
Point is, you shouldn't dismiss the big bang theory. It's very possible and our most likely start by all accounts. God might start a new one every morning in a different place.
The Bible is obviously a fairy tale for children... your average 5-year-old could see through it... yet for some reason millions of supposed "grown adults" view it as literal truth.
If you want to believe in a supreme being, fine, but at least take the somewhat rational position that the science is correct but that "God" is behind it, creating the universe using natural processes and the physical laws of the universe as we know them to be rather that accepting obvious myths simply because they're written down in some moldy 2000-year-old book.
"Big bang" theorie my ass......much too complex for there NOT to be a Creator!!It's sad that people actually think like this in this day and age. Certainly reinforces my belief in the theory of evolution and the lack thereof in some people. :'(
No....making shit up is thinking that "scientists" can figure out the creation (or evolution if you believe in that sort of thing ::)) of the Universe in about a hundred years. They can't find a cure for cancer or aids, but they sure know how the Universe was created.....there was even one retard that said it's been figured out...."case closed"!!
ROFL! ;D
Rather than using logic and science to determine what is MOST LIKELY to have happened while simultaneously acknowledging that it is simply a theory which may later be tweaked, Christians do the next best thing that any scientific or rational minded person would do - make shit up.
Let me put it this way, in terms of creation vis-a-vis biblical history per se, assuming there was a great Creator as it were, one would have to believe that all beings did, ipso facto, descend from a single creature, ergo creatures, and therefore both theories are correct, so to speak.
Only someone with Hitler's mentality could disagree with that.
Let me put it this way, in terms of creation vis-a-vis biblical history per se, assuming there was a great Creator as it were, one would have to believe that all beings did, ipso facto, descend from a single creature, ergo creatures, and therefore both theories are correct, so to speak.
Only someone with Hitler's mentality could disagree with that.
Only someone with Hitler's mentality could disagree with that.
You're wrong. >:(Why would I want to walk around with everyone yelling out "Hey Jude"??
PS: Please put this on:
I think Gods smart enough to create evolution and the big bang if he wanted to.LOL. What are you saying? Joeloco's 'god' half-assed it? :D
Let me put it this way, in terms of creation vis-a-vis biblical history per se, assuming there was a great Creator as it were, one would have to believe that all beings did, ipso facto, descend from a single creature, ergo creatures, and therefore both theories are correct, so to speak.
Only someone with Hitler's mentality could disagree with that.
lmao......... i'm still amazed
everytime there is an argument about god, creator .... you name it, someone always come up with the REAL answer from where.......... yes, the bible, they have no proofs, no evidences what so ever, no science (well, they do........ made up science), saying the earth is 6000 years old (well, now there are saying 10 000) how they came up with that number? i have no idea?.
all gods, anywhere, old or new, are creations of mens
http://www.godisimaginary.com/video7.htm
Why would I want to walk around with everyone yelling out "Hey Jude"??
I may as well walk around wearing this...
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Archeological findings that match the people and dates of the bible are not facts ???
Lol no, If I write today on a piece of paper "My name is George Bush and I secretly planned 9/11" in my best George Bush Handwriting, then go to washington and bury it somewhere near the whitehouse, then in 2000 years that land is dug up and the paper found, does this then prove Bush planned 9/11?There was just as much Bullshit written then as now, tons of imagination writing, propaganda etc.If people today wrote about this great man "superman" and all the writings came from around the 21st century would you then claim he existed too?
hahahah great point! I think the only good thing to come out of the bible is the perfectly respectable code of ethics and morality in terms of behavior, not theology!
Collected from the norms of other cultures.. Such as the Babylonians, Persians, Syrians and what not.. You can break it all down. There goes the arguement of religion = morality up in smoke..
Lol no, If I write today on a piece of paper "My name is George Bush and I secretly planned 9/11" in my best George Bush Handwriting, then go to washington and bury it somewhere near the whitehouse, then in 2000 years that land is dug up and the paper found, does this then prove Bush planned 9/11?There was just as much Bullshit written then as now, tons of imagination writing, propaganda etc.If people today wrote about this great man "superman" and all the writings came from around the 21st century would you then claim he existed too?
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
even if all the "god and jesus" hype were true, if jesus returned he would be beaten and killed again. think about it....he was a new age hippy that didnt fit in or follow the beliefs of the mainstream......
would he be a hippy....or emo?
for anyone who wants an explanation of this picture check this out
http://atinyglimpse.ytmnd.com/
I still can't believe there are arrogant clowns left on this earth that think we humans are so special that the one "God" of the Universe sent his son down to earth to die for our human sins. Seriously...we're not that special
according to Kardashev scale we humans aren't even a stage 1 civilization yet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
Life itself is weird. I wonder what it would be like if there was nothing. No life. No earth, no universe, no me, no you, nothing. Not even just blackness because it too doesn't exist itself. Just notihng. Not even comprendable nothingness. If you can understand that....
Lol no, If I write today on a piece of paper "My name is George Bush and I secretly planned 9/11" in my best George Bush Handwriting, then go to washington and bury it somewhere near the whitehouse, then in 2000 years that land is dug up and the paper found, does this then prove Bush planned 9/11?There was just as much Bullshit written then as now, tons of imagination writing, propaganda etc.If people today wrote about this great man "superman" and all the writings came from around the 21st century would you then claim he existed too?
I believe everything in the universe, from the planets' rotation and galaxial expansion at 1280 KM per second, down to me scrathing my ass while I post this, is predetermined.
me too.
it's funny to think that EVERYTHING in the universe - stars, planets, animals, oceans, all move according to a plan - inborn and enviornmental. except us.
me too.
it's funny to think that EVERYTHING in the universe - stars, planets, animals, oceans, all move according to a plan - inborn and enviornmental. except us.
hahah That's because we are Gods in meatmobiles. We are here, like Gods, to create. We share a one universal consciousness and are each sort of conduits to the divine source, encased within our prisons of flesh, these energy fields of some 50-70 trillion cells. We're but bits of that consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, limited in time and space.
Yes, life is beyond fucking wierd.
I believe everything in the universe, from the planets' rotation and galaxial expansion at 1280 KM per second, down to me scrathing my ass while I post this, is predetermined.
hahah That's because we are Gods in meatmobiles. We are here, like Gods, to create. We share a one universal consciousness and are each sort of conduits to the divine source, encased within our prisons of flesh, these energy fields of some 50-70 trillion cells. We're but bits of that consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, limited in time and space.
Yes, life is beyond fucking wierd.
I support a second 911 investigation, as do 5 of 10 of the 911 commissioners and a majority of the families, and 67% of americans. There is so much evidence at this point that any other crime would have been investigated tenfold. THis, the biggest crime in history, had an investigation that one of the 911 commissioners called "a whitewash".
The real reasons are twofold - the money to pay for the attacks came from our allies like the Saudis, and key ppl here did assist and lie about it (NORAD people caught in lies on the stand).
Bush didn't plan 911. Did his team "let it happen on purpose"? History will tell us that. Members of his own cabinet have come fwd already and say that yes, we let it happen. When 2009 rolls around we'll probably get a lot more answers to the many 011 questions when ppl start coming fwd. Anyone who believes the "official story" is an idiot by definition - they're trumpeting the legitimacy of an admittedly incomplete document that half of its writers have publicly called wrong. They're trying to sell a recalled product, actually.
That is a fucking brilliant synopsis. I love it!
Your best bet = do what it takes to live your life as best you can, to maximize your own happiness. That = the only thing you can know.
What kind of premises do you have to support this argument. Bring Debussey teh juice.
Well said. Anyone who does a moment of research can begin to gain an understanding of the criminality of our government. It's a shame how lost people can let themselves be. One day we'll look back and laugh at how we let all that bullshit take place.
:D
Divine advice, man!
One of my favorite quotes:
"Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by the number of moments that take your breath away."
-anonymous
the only saving grace is that the Ron Paul generation - or the 50 million young people who are pissed about the inside job - will not fall for another.
they couldn't pull that shit with Iran because we would have called bullshit. Countries often do self-attacks every 20 or 30 years to justify starting a war. Russia does it, germany did it, mexico did it a few years ago on a small scale. the ends justify the means in the eyes of the nations planners.
Our kids aren't going to fall for that bullshit again. The louder the 911 kids are - even tho there will never be any justice - the longer it'll be before another attack like that.
enviornmental.
the only saving grace is that the Ron Paul generation - or the 50 million young people who are pissed about the inside job - will not fall for another.
they couldn't pull that shit with Iran because we would have called bullshit. Countries often do self-attacks every 20 or 30 years to justify starting a war. Russia does it, germany did it, mexico did it a few years ago on a small scale. the ends justify the means in the eyes of the nations planners.
Our kids aren't going to fall for that bullshit again. The louder the 911 kids are - even tho there will never be any justice - the longer it'll be before another attack like that.
That quote gave Debussey goosebumps. It probably came from Gary himself.
"A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed."
-Carl Sagan
lol straight from the tap of all universal wisdom!
Again, great quote.
Everything = interconnected.
I actually kind of hope that death is nonexistence.
There's no such thing as death. Remember, energy can't be created or destroyed. Consciousness lives forever. You merely break free of your casing and return the the source.
Believe it or not, here's a story of one man's incredible near death experience: www.mellen-thomas.com/stories
Keep in mind he's not trying to sell anything.
Bullshit. Consciousness is tied to the brain. No brain=no consciousness
Bullshit. Consciousness is tied to the brain. No brain=no consciousness
Bullshit. Consciousness is tied to the brain. No brain=no consciousness
Goodnight, fellow Getbiggers! I hope you each had/have pleasant paradigm shifts. :)
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So who created him?
A circular and ignorant argument......try again.
Of course this creator would have to be even more complex in order to create something that complex, so he too must also have a creator, since that level of complexity couldn't possibly exist without one.
Personally I believe in 16 creators.
"Big bang" theorie my ass......much too complex for there NOT to be a Creator!!
Mr.Brutal brainpower speaks. :)
Yeah, see...the problem with that is there is more proof from legit archeological findings (yes, by secular archeologists) that match the books of the Bible.....science can't say that.
Joe, the bible is overflowing with obnoxious contradictions. How could anyone with half a brain base their entire life philosophy on a book that is so clearly fucked up???
Thought and behavior is what's tied to the brain. The universe itself is a consciousness. Quantum physics has already confirmed for a fact that everything in the universe is essentially precipitated thought and bits of information, at a subatomic level. It's as if the infinitely vast spectrum of the universe is the thought of some divine mind. Talk about redefining God!Do you read a lot of chris langan or what?
How fucked up it really is only reflects the effect it had on humanity for generations.haha I'm proud of you, only recently you were a staunch atheist 8)
If we should learn one thing about the bible, it should be to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
The principles of each religion are very similar and filled with human love and compassion... but it got hijacked somewhere along the way. Edited for our manipulation.
Do you read a lot of chris langan or what?
you should look into sufism.
haha I'm proud of you, only recently you were a staunch atheist 8)
Do you read a lot of chris langan or what?
you should look into sufism.
http://www.sufis.org/
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/sufi-shah.html
A quote:
Effort, Stretching and Straining
From 'Knowing how to Know' Idries Shah
When people have a hard task to do - one which stretches them - they become less concerned with trivial matters. If you have not registered this yet, observe it in yourself and in others, and you will see that it is true.
When there is an emergency, for example, something which takes up a great deal of attention, triviality is reduced.
In order to enable people to be less trivial, and to tackle things which really help them develop, they should undertake tasks which provide the right kind and degree of stretching.
People who have achieved great things, genuinely effective accomplishments, will be found to have done so through this method: stretching.
When it goes wrong, people apply stress, not stretching. Stress is damaging and does not product constructive results.
Mistaking stretching for straining: labour for exercise, is what causes a great deal of trouble.
When triviality disappears, even temporarily, people are able to work at a higher level. This is true of all kinds of human endeavour: it is to be seen in attainment of all kinds and also even in a social milieu: people who are less trivial are more respected.
This is a very common mistake for humans to make: extrapolating the accuracy of one element (or group of elements) to signify all elements are true as well.
This is just the beginning, there's alot more.......
The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name “Canaan” was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word tehom (“the deep”) in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. “Tehom” was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari.
The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.
Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible.
It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.
Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel “third highest ruler in the kingdom” (Dan. 5:16) for reading the handwriting on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the “eye-witness” nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology.
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you have to remember that our science is so immature it's silly. 400 years ago, we thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Imagine what we'll understand about matter and energy and travel in 1000 years. We've had computers for 60 years and they control a world network. Give them 600 years, see what they're capable of.
What an awesome thread. I talk like I'm sure of my own words sometimes, but I'll be the first to say it: Believe nothing. Explore everything.
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Hahahah yea sss i am johnny falcon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
me too.
it's funny to think that EVERYTHING in the universe - stars, planets, animals, oceans, all move according to a plan - inborn and enviornmental. except us.
daddywaddy is dead,!! long live Johnny Falcon!!!
Hahahah yea sss i am johnny falcon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!