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Title: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: syntaxmachine on October 05, 2013, 03:22:23 PM
1. A per capita GDP similar to such luminaries as Jamaica and Thailand, ranked #93 in the world.

2. Epic poverty:

Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day   39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day    62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day    71.6% (948 million)

An estimated 200 million people in China are homeless. Estimates tend to be conservative, and there will be many more in awful accommodation which can hardly be counted as homely.

3. Artificially stimulated GDP growth: there are entire ghost cities of empty apartment buildings with prices kept artificially high in a bid to at least maintain GDP growth, when in fact many of the goods and services contributing to these figures are neither needed nor wanted, hence not worth even remotely close to what they are claimed to be.

4. A crappy language: Mandarin is highly inefficient, takes ages to learn, and is worthless, since the only moderately well-off places in China are in big cities and generally speak good English. The opportunity cost of learning something like Mandarin is enormous.

5. A super high savings rate: seemingly an asset, the savings rate is a result of Chinese households recognizing that there aren't really social programs to prop them up in the event of disaster (the way some want it in the States), plus a conscious decision by central planners to pursue an export driven growth model.

The result is an unsustainable situation in which export-driven growth needs to be replaced with more domestic consumption, something it isn't clear the central planners will be able to pull off. Failure will in all probability lead to significant, possibly fatal social unrest (see (2) above) while success will mean significantly lower growth rates, quite the dilemma.

6. A largely unproven, shite military with low quality equipment and little R&D spending, plus an embarrassingly small class of the sorts of naval vessels that allow power projection abroad (read: ONE), a necessary but not sufficient capability for any superpower:

(http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/images/Global_Spending_Graph.jpg)

(http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/carrierchart.jpg)

7. An overtly authoritarian model of thought control that stifles excellence in intellectual pursuits and thus technological/scientific advancement: Ireland has more nobel prize winners than China (9 vs 8; US=338), and China is known to imprison its own winners (see: Liu Xiaobo).

But yes, they are going to supersede the US and become a world superpower very, VERY soon. Say hello to your new overlords!  ::)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Natural Man on October 05, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?


A more toned down, realistic view is that they are indeed progressing after copying for decades the ways of the westerner/ russian man especially in the economic domain, but they are extremely fragile; 3/4 of their population is living in the dark age still. Yes their salaries and quality of life is progressing in the cities, but what when the west goes bankrupt and dont buy their crap anymore? Also their productivity has grown at the expense of health , their whole country is polluted beyond repair.
 Still I think they have something that will allow them to survive in the future; their ant like view of life/mankind. Occidentals, whites, westerners are disapearing because they became way too egocentrical after abandoning religion.  But the few who will remain will probably mix with chinese/ japanese. Simply because white and asian are superior to every other races on earth. 


Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: syntaxmachine on October 05, 2013, 03:36:36 PM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?

The Chinese would need to rebalance towards domestic consumption, something many experts think they should already be doing right now (concurrent with a rebalancing by the US and Europe).

If what you say really happens, then I'd imagine a not insignificant chunk of those 948 million people living on less than $5 a day are going to get a little bit upset with their government, given that it allows them very little political rights but promises economic benefits in exchange. Even if 99% of these people remain on the sidelines, the Chinese government will be facing a rebellion larger than any military on earth.

I guess you see why they try to control everybody's minds so that no one thinks of such things.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: MAXX on October 05, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?


A more toned down, realistic view is that they are indeed progressing after copying for decades the ways of the westerner/ russian man especially in the economic domain, but they are extremely fragile; 3/4 of their population is living in the dark age still. Yes their salaries and quality of life is progressing in the cities, but what when the west goes bankrupt and dont buy their crap anymore? Also their productivity has grown at the expense of health , their whole country is polluted beyond repair.
 Still I think they have something that will allow them to survive in the future; their ant like view of life/mankind. Occidentals, whites, westerners are disapearing because they became way too egocentrical after abandoning religion.  But the few who will remain will probably mix with chinese/ japanese. Simply because white and asian are superior to every other races on earth. 



haha yes. ant-like cloners. do not have the creative mind of the caucasian. ;D

just look at the asians domination on sites like ebay. shameless copying of the white mans work and then massproduced as a shit non-quality controlled product.

they do have an strong point in tenacity about them. but it's mostly annoying.

racist-rant over.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Natural Man on October 05, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
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The Chinese would need to rebalance towards domestic consumption, something many experts think they should already be doing right now (concurrent with a rebalancing by the US and Europe).

If what you say really happens, then I'd imagine a not insignificant chunk of those 948 million people living on less than $5 a day are going to get a little bit upset with their government, given that it allows them very little political rights but promises economic benefits in exchange. Even if 99% of these people remain on the sidelines, the Chinese government will be facing a rebellion larger than any military on earth.

I guess you see why they try to control everybody's minds so that no one thinks of such things.

You are dreaming. Chinese are numerous, but they re dumb, and so far their elites are just bleeding them dry just like all elites everywhere on the planet. They re not going anywhere and also do not forget they forge most of their statistics , datas, just like everyone else does in the west, but in even bigger proportions.
Their growth is nowhere near what they pretend it is. They have many, many problems that arent adressed. Fact is, even after a global collapse, (north) america -canada being imo just another state of the US- is still number one. Similarly, russia even if it progressed a lot under putin but mostly thanks to its natural ressources they sell to europe, is nowhere near being a realistic opponent for the US.

There s somewhat some self hartred in wishing a new master on earth in the person of chinese. As stated earlier, they re good at copying, not at creating. There is a HUGE difference between both. It's called Quality. Their military stuff for example is pure crap, it's not even as reliable as the russian tech it is copied from. Israel and the US with the help of the best european / russian minds still rule the game and it will never ever change.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 05, 2013, 03:50:01 PM
haha yes. ant-like cloners. do not have the creative mind of the caucasian. ;D

just look at the asians domination on sites like ebay. shameless copying of the white mans work and then massproduced as a shit non-quality controlled product.

they do have an strong point in tenacity about them. but it's mostly annoying.

racist-rant over.

What have u done yourself for our fine white race sir?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: MAXX on October 05, 2013, 03:51:28 PM
What have u done for our fine white race sir?
studying to become an engineer. other than that you don't know anything about what I have done and that's besides the point anyways.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 05, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
studying to become an engineer. other than that you don't know anything about what I have done and that's besides the point anyways.

Please share

What have u done and contributed to help the white race?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: MAXX on October 05, 2013, 03:59:06 PM
Please share

What have u done and contributed to help the white race?
you're a dumbass.

even if I was a janitor, garbage man or even on wellfare you wouldn't prove any point.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 05, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
you're a dumbass.

even if I was a janitor, garbage man or even on wellfare you wouldn't prove any point.


 ::)

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: MAXX on October 05, 2013, 04:08:02 PM
asian bevo? struck a nerve eh. can't make everyone happy.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 05, 2013, 04:09:53 PM
1. A per capita GDP similar to such luminaries as Jamaica and Thailand, ranked #93 in the world.

2. Epic poverty:

Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day   39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day    62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day    71.6% (948 million)

An estimated 200 million people in China are homeless. Estimates tend to be conservative, and there will be many more in awful accommodation which can hardly be counted as homely.

3. Artificially stimulated GDP growth: there are entire ghost cities of empty apartment buildings with prices kept artificially high in a bid to at least maintain GDP growth, when in fact many of the goods and services contributing to these figures are neither needed nor wanted, hence not worth even remotely close to what they are claimed to be.

4. A crappy language: Mandarin is highly inefficient, takes ages to learn, and is worthless, since the only moderately well-off places in China are in big cities and generally speak good English. The opportunity cost of learning something like Mandarin is enormous.

5. A super high savings rate: seemingly an asset, the savings rate is a result of Chinese households recognizing that there aren't really social programs to prop them up in the event of disaster (the way some want it in the States), plus a conscious decision by central planners to pursue an export driven growth model.

The result is an unsustainable situation in which export-driven growth needs to be replaced with more domestic consumption, something it isn't clear the central planners will be able to pull off. Failure will in all probability lead to significant, possibly fatal social unrest (see (2) above) while success will mean significantly lower growth rates, quite the dilemma.

6. A largely unproven, shite military with low quality equipment and little R&D spending, plus an embarrassingly small class of the sorts of naval vessels that allow power projection abroad (read: ONE), a necessary but not sufficient capability for any superpower:

(http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/images/Global_Spending_Graph.jpg)

(http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/carrierchart.jpg)

7. An overtly authoritarian model of thought control that stifles excellence in intellectual pursuits and thus technological/scientific advancement: Ireland has more nobel prize winners than China (9 vs 8; US=338), and China is known to imprison its own winners (see: Liu Xiaobo).

But yes, they are going to supersede the US and become a world superpower very, VERY soon. Say hello to your new overlords!  ::)

Getbig's Trilateral Commission appreciates the time and effort you put into compiling this report.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: _aj_ on October 05, 2013, 04:23:34 PM
Don't forget that they stole the plans for the W88 thermonuclear warhead, our most advanced design, from Los Alamos. So they have that going for them.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: _bruce_ on October 05, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
China is assumed to be the future manufacturing plant of the world... let's see.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 05, 2013, 04:31:09 PM
asian bevo? struck a nerve eh. can't make everyone happy.

I'm white ;)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 05, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
1. A per capita GDP similar to such luminaries as Jamaica and Thailand, ranked #93 in the world.

2. Epic poverty:

Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day   39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day    62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day    71.6% (948 million)

An estimated 200 million people in China are homeless. Estimates tend to be conservative, and there will be many more in awful accommodation which can hardly be counted as homely.

3. Artificially stimulated GDP growth: there are entire ghost cities of empty apartment buildings with prices kept artificially high in a bid to at least maintain GDP growth, when in fact many of the goods and services contributing to these figures are neither needed nor wanted, hence not worth even remotely close to what they are claimed to be.

4. A crappy language: Mandarin is highly inefficient, takes ages to learn, and is worthless, since the only moderately well-off places in China are in big cities and generally speak good English. The opportunity cost of learning something like Mandarin is enormous.

5. A super high savings rate: seemingly an asset, the savings rate is a result of Chinese households recognizing that there aren't really social programs to prop them up in the event of disaster (the way some want it in the States), plus a conscious decision by central planners to pursue an export driven growth model.

The result is an unsustainable situation in which export-driven growth needs to be replaced with more domestic consumption, something it isn't clear the central planners will be able to pull off. Failure will in all probability lead to significant, possibly fatal social unrest (see (2) above) while success will mean significantly lower growth rates, quite the dilemma.

6. A largely unproven, shite military with low quality equipment and little R&D spending, plus an embarrassingly small class of the sorts of naval vessels that allow power projection abroad (read: ONE), a necessary but not sufficient capability for any superpower:

(http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/images/Global_Spending_Graph.jpg)

(http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/carrierchart.jpg)

7. An overtly authoritarian model of thought control that stifles excellence in intellectual pursuits and thus technological/scientific advancement: Ireland has more nobel prize winners than China (9 vs 8; US=338), and China is known to imprison its own winners (see: Liu Xiaobo).

But yes, they are going to supersede the US and become a world superpower very, VERY soon. Say hello to your new overlords!  ::)


Those numbers are very distorted because of the nature and structure of China.  Its a communist system so it does not matter regarding income per person....everyone is provided with food, water, shelter, education, health insurance, etc regardless. 

That being said, SuperPower is only a matter of having nuclear capability.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: TEMPER on October 05, 2013, 04:49:53 PM
haha yes. ant-like cloners. do not have the creative mind of the caucasian. ;D

just look at the asians domination on sites like ebay. shameless copying of the white mans work and then massproduced as a shit non-quality controlled product.

they do have an strong point in tenacity about them. but it's mostly annoying.

racist-rant over.

Asians needs an apostrophe indicating possession. "Asian's domination"

Mans needs an apostrophe indicating possession. "white man's work"

Mass produced is two words.

It is "a" not "an"

Brutal " - " usage throughout.

studying to become an engineer. other than that you don't know anything about what I have done and that's besides the point anyways.

"other than that you don't know anything about what I have done" This is the point of asking the question.

It is "beside" not "besides"

Redundant "anyways"





Your unacuminous regard for grammar and detail shows lack of self respect and dignity. A poor race supremacist you are.

You are a disgrace to whatever mongrel breed you call your own.

It is not beside the point. The point is you are clearly a dunce that has accomplished nothing significant. Therefor you  have no right to spew maleficent baloney about anyone.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Natural Man on October 05, 2013, 04:52:30 PM
Shut your mouth, it almost sounds like you re a lemon face yourself.

Fact is everyone on earth wants to be white, not asian.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: MAXX on October 05, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
Asians needs an apostrophe indicating possession. "Asian's domination"

Mans needs an apostrophe indicating possession. "white man's work"

Mass produced is two words.

It is "a" not "an"

Brutal " - " usage throughout.

"other than that you don't know anything about what I have done" This is the point of asking the question.

It is "beside" not "besides"

Redundant "anyways"





Your unacuminous regard for grammar and detail shows lack of self respect and dignity. A poor race supremacist you are.

You are a disgrace to whatever mongrel breed you call your own.

It is not beside the point. The point is you are clearly a dunce that has accomplished nothing significant. Therefor you  have no right to spew maleficent baloney about anyone.
fuck you sound like one annoying bitch.

since when did getbig.com become a spelling bee. people write in haste on here without care for that in case you didn't notice. it's getbig.com not getspellingbee.com

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Fortress on October 05, 2013, 05:10:38 PM
Don't know of any good metal bands in China.

Country is good for fuck-all.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 05, 2013, 05:24:33 PM

Those numbers are very distorted because of the nature and structure of China.  Its a communist system so it does not matter regarding income per person....everyone is provided with food, water, shelter, education, health insurance, etc regardless. 

That being said, SuperPower is only a matter of having nuclear capability.

Lol the UK, France, Pakistan, north Korea--these are superpowers?  Dream on, "Vince"
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 05, 2013, 05:27:21 PM

Those numbers are very distorted because of the nature and structure of China.  Its a communist system so it does not matter regarding income per person....everyone is provided with food, water, shelter, education, health insurance, etc regardless. 

That being said, SuperPower is only a matter of having nuclear capability.
You won't have to worry about China Vince since you moving to Mexico. They don't want Mexico.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on October 05, 2013, 05:41:39 PM
Lol the UK, France, Pakistan, north Korea--these are superpowers?  Dream on, "Vince"

That's how the term was coined.....besides that, why does it matter who is a Superpower anyway
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: arce1988 on October 05, 2013, 05:42:49 PM
 syntax is super smart


Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Mr.1derful on October 05, 2013, 05:51:43 PM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?



They let their currency rise, raising the standard of living for their own people, to which they sell the products they produce.  They have a vast market in their own country. 
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Nomad on October 05, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
Brilliant post sir.

Thank you for your contribution, syntaxmachine.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Ropo on October 05, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?


A more toned down, realistic view is that they are indeed progressing after copying for decades the ways of the westerner/ russian man especially in the economic domain, but they are extremely fragile; 3/4 of their population is living in the dark age still. Yes their salaries and quality of life is progressing in the cities, but what when the west goes bankrupt and dont buy their crap anymore? Also their productivity has grown at the expense of health , their whole country is polluted beyond repair.
 Still I think they have something that will allow them to survive in the future; their ant like view of life/mankind. Occidentals, whites, westerners are disapearing because they became way too egocentrical after abandoning religion.  But the few who will remain will probably mix with chinese/ japanese. Simply because white and asian are superior to every other races on earth. 

How they will survive? Let me give you little something to think about: Few years back there was a little flood, which submerged most of the HDD industry of the china, so the price of the HDDs went sky high, and at the end they at least triple their price. What this means? While 95% of computer technology is made in china and asia, they have nice grip at ours windpipe, and if they shut down some factories, we will found us in the situation, where our systems collapse because of the lack of new parts. We are complete useless without the computers and the IT-field, so if they hit us there, we have some serious trouble.

On the other hand, you live in luxury in china with 5$  per day, and anyone who has been there knows this. You eat a three-course restaurant dinners by 1.5€ per day, drink yourself senseless with 2€ per day etc. and the worth of the money is complete different than in the USA for example. Price of the normal living is ridiculous in there, and most of the people reach that.  There is 1.35 billion people, so if there is 200 million homeless, that is only drop in the ocean. And what is homeless in the country, where at least third of the people lives in the huts made at bamboo?  We talk about china, where normal measurements doesn't count at all.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 05, 2013, 11:05:19 PM
On the other hand, you live in luxury in china with 5$  per day, and anyone who has been there knows this. You eat a three-course restaurant dinners by 1.5€ per day, drink yourself senseless with 2€ per day etc.

Why don't people vacation in China?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 05, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
Why don't people vacation in China?

Could be that fake wall & gas masks  ;)

Have a friend who screws China doll, recently her parents visited Sydney
& took dozens of China Made T-shirts with them back to Shanghai  :o
Supposedly, all good staff is exported ?.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 06, 2013, 12:18:32 AM
the wealth gap between rich and poor in China is much larger than in the US.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 06, 2013, 12:30:14 AM
Why don't people vacation in China?

same reason that they don't vacation in shittylumbus

(http://eshop.aktin.cz/user/upload/westside_barbell09ipa.jpg)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 06, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
Why don't people vacation in China?

I've been to China for 18 days (vacation). Here are some of my observations:

- Huge density of smog and polluted air in the big cities
- I never got to meet musclecenter  :-[  :-\
- Chinese people EVERYWHERE. There are just too many of them.
- Most restaurants only serve rice. This gets tedious soon.. I want other foods (pasta, potatoes etc.)
- the chinese people behave in public with a high level of randomness and anarchy. No people stand in line at supermarkets and at train stations. A total mess.
- a lot of people try to scam you and steal your money.
- the traffic is terrible.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: musclecenter on October 06, 2013, 12:42:20 AM
I've been to China for 18 days (vacation). Here are some of my observations:

- Huge density of smog and polluted air in the big cities
- I never got to meet musclecenter  :-[  :-\
- Chinese people EVERYWHERE. There are just too many of them.
- Most restaurants only serve rice. This gets tedious soon.. I want other foods (pasta, potatoes etc.)
- the chinese people behave in public with a high level of randomness and anarchy. No people stand in line at supermarkets and at train stations. A total mess.
- a lot of people try to scam you and steal your money.
- the traffic is terrible.
you are in the wrong country ;)

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Mawse on October 06, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
$5 a day to live on, yet in shanghai the cost of living is higher than most us cities.

So long as china keeps making aas powder and red tops they're ok in my book. And they certainly know how to keep Muslims and Africans in line.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 06, 2013, 12:56:45 AM
you are in the wrong country ;)



Yeah, it sucked. I asked a lot of people in China: "Where can I find Coach Huang?" All of them looked at me very strange.  ;D  :D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 06, 2013, 01:01:44 AM
Yeah, it sucked. I asked a lot of people in China: "Where can I find Coach Huang?" All of them looked at me very strange.  ;D  :D

did you see many nice asses there?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 06, 2013, 01:07:15 AM
Ahhh, could this be a sign that things ain't looking up to well in China? Luxury car makers are making a shift towards the US and Japan...due to the clow down of China's economy and less people are buying the exotic and luxury cars like they were before
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/super-luxury-car-makers-shifting-focus-back-to-us-and-japan/ (http://www.4wheelsnews.com/super-luxury-car-makers-shifting-focus-back-to-us-and-japan/)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 06, 2013, 01:17:20 AM
did you see many nice asses there?

In general, I wasn't impressed by the looks of the Chinese girls.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 02:23:30 AM
same reason that they don't vacation in shittylumbus

(http://eshop.aktin.cz/user/upload/westside_barbell09ipa.jpg)

dj181 you seriously fucking crack me up!!!!!!!!!

Are you crazy or something?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 02:27:22 AM
I've been to China for 18 days (vacation). Here are some of my observations:

- Huge density of smog and polluted air in the big cities

That's my favorite part, video of me from my last vacation:

=4m9s

=1m31s
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: calfzilla on October 06, 2013, 02:32:44 AM
That's my favorite part, video of me from my last vacation:

=4m9s

Every episode was the same. Those kids would suck dick for 20 min then call on CP to take care of business.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 02:34:43 AM
I just figured out why I'm so into milfs, this lady drove me fucking bananas when I was five or six:

=5m57s
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 02:36:41 AM
Typical getbiggers:
=15m48s
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: calfzilla on October 06, 2013, 02:40:29 AM
^
You are a sick man but I guess she is pretty hot and milfy
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 02:40:52 AM
^
You are a sick man but I guess she is pretty hot and milfy

 ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Conker on October 06, 2013, 03:02:35 AM
Just a question tho.

How do they survive when the west stop buying their shit cause it is bankrupt?




They won't survive if the west goes bankrupt(will never happen). The 'west' and Chinese economies are co dependent , if one side goes down so does the other. we need them to keep buying our debt and producing cheap sh@t that keeps our inflation down and they need us to keep buying the sh@t they churn out, and if the west goes down all our debt they hold will be worthless.

it's in both sides interest to keep the other afloat.






Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 06, 2013, 03:38:32 AM
dj181 you seriously fucking crack me up!!!!!!!!!

Are you crazy or something?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

well, i've been told that i got a good deal of Scotch-Irish ancestry in me (from my father's side) so probably so ;)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: musclecenter on October 06, 2013, 09:07:52 AM
In general, I wasn't impressed by the looks of the Chinese Asian girls.
.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 06, 2013, 09:26:34 AM
^^^ not bad MC 8)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 06, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
Th graph seems to contradict the thread title. What am I missing? I would already consider china a superpower now, at least placing ahead of Cutler in the world Olympia. Also, why doesn't Germany have a fucking army or armed forces to speak of? Are they still living with the stigma of World War Two?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Ropo on October 06, 2013, 01:12:49 PM
Why don't people vacation in China?

What do you mean? European people go there all the time, americans doesn't because they are afraid that communism will harm them by some absurd and mystical way. I have been there three times, my daughter just came from there with his boyfriend. They were there three months, traveling around the country, spending no more than 500€ per month, including traveling, hotels, eating, souvenirs etc.   
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 06, 2013, 01:42:32 PM
What do you mean? European people go there all the time, americans doesn't because they are afraid that communism will harm them by some absurd and mystical way. I have been there three times, my daughter just came from there with his boyfriend. They were there three months, traveling around the country, spending no more than 500€ per month, including traveling, hotels, eating, souvenirs etc.   

Yes, stupid Americans going to beautiful Australia or the Mediterranean instead of China...  When will we learn!!!  :o
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: arce1988 on October 06, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/whats-up-with-the-debt-ceiling/?hpt=hp_t1
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Ropo on October 07, 2013, 12:05:11 AM
Yes, stupid Americans going to beautiful Australia or the Mediterranean instead of China...  When will we learn!!!  :o

Well, China is by far the oldest still living civilisation, with the history of few thousand years, so some of us find that lot more interesting than kangaroos and emus. I certainly understand your problems, it is too easy among us europeans , because we have up to eight weeks vacation each year with full salary. In Finland we get six weeks at the summer, two weeks at the winter, we have full salary + 50% vacation pay, and small extra when we come back to work, which is called "return from vacation pay". That way we have each year lot of time to travel, and money to do so  ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 12:25:53 AM
Well, China is by far the oldest still living civilisation, with the history of few thousand years, so some of us find that lot more interesting than kangaroos and emus. I certainly understand your problems, it is too easy among us europeans , because we have up to eight weeks vacation each year with full salary. In Finland we get six weeks at the summer, two weeks at the winter, we have full salary + 50% vacation pay, and small extra when we come back to work, which is called "return from vacation pay". That way we have each year lot of time to travel, and money to do so  ;D

Yes broseph, it must be pretty sweet to escape the third world Muslim hordes that are destroying your country and raping your women for six weeks a year.

8)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Ropo on October 07, 2013, 12:42:43 AM
Yes broseph, it must be pretty sweet to escape the third world Muslim hordes that are destroying your country and raping your women for six weeks a year.

8)

Do you really want to go to statistic? I mean really? There is no one raping nobody in USA? You live in the number one raping nation in the world, and you are nitpicking how our few thousand muslims rape few times per year? What you also need to understand is the fact, that we have to import black bastards to destroy our country, while you guys do it by yourself, without any help. We have something like 40000 muslims, while you have 5.3 million, so in my point of view we are both standing ankle deep in shit, but you are standing on your head  ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Wolfox on October 07, 2013, 12:47:16 AM
And all this matters how? We live in a global, multi-national economy. Economic nationalism is a relic of the past. Nationality means next to nothing in business today. Either you're part of the global economy, or you're not. No so-called US company cares about the US economy, or the standard of living in the US. Profit is all that matters. Almost all have a very international flavor in the top ranks. They have more in common with each other than they do with some guy running a small business in Iowa.



You speak from the perspective of capitalism in the USA. Altho that view is commonly shared amongst Business in America and the far right in politics, it is not held in the same regard with the government of China. They care not about your laissez faire utopian fantasies or Rothbardian dogma. They are playing to win which is why they are winning and will continue to win.

What was it Lenin spoke of with capitalists and their own rope? Silly capitalists.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: avxo on October 07, 2013, 12:58:38 AM
They let their currency rise, raising the standard of living for their own people, to which they sell the products they produce.  They have a vast market in their own country. 

They do. In theory. But only a small percentage can afford to buy those things they make, even if they change their policy and stop artificially weakening their currency. China's middle class numbers about 100 million people - less than 10% of their population...

Most Chinese continue to live a life that more or less looks like the life their ancestors lived 50 years ago. And these are the people who'll buy iPhones, washing machines, 70" LED LCD televisions and $250 pair of jeans?

Come now...
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 01:15:11 AM
Do you really want to go to statistic? I mean really? There is no one raping nobody in USA? You live in the number one raping nation in the world

Your neighbors in Sweden appear to be number 3 in the world.  The United States ranks 12th behind a few European Countries and Australia.    

we have to import black bastards to destroy our country, while you guys do it by yourself

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 07, 2013, 01:17:47 AM
Well, China is by far the oldest still living civilisation, with the history of few thousand years, so some of us find that lot more interesting than kangaroos and emus. I certainly understand your problems, it is too easy among us europeans , because we have up to eight weeks vacation each year with full salary. In Finland we get six weeks at the summer, two weeks at the winter, we have full salary + 50% vacation pay, and small extra when we come back to work, which is called "return from vacation pay". That way we have each year lot of time to travel, and money to do so  ;D

Sorry man, but all that snow & no pussy in g-strings/topless & no beaches.
My Christmas is at + 35'C (and more), yours at -35'C so ????
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 07, 2013, 01:22:34 AM
fuck all this bla-bla horseshit, let's get some pics of some more hot asian sluts up in this bitch

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-15.jpg?w=499&h=669)

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-24.jpg?w=500&h=750)

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-34.jpg?w=500&h=666)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
Sorry man, but all that snow & no pussy in g-strings/topless & no beaches.
My Christmas is at + 35'C (and more), yours at -35'C so ????

Now I've started shit between the arrogant Australian bastard, and the arrogant Finnish bastard...  :(

Little Man Syndrome, it's not your height though, it's your Country that you're both hung up on.  :o
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 07, 2013, 01:33:56 AM
Now I've started shit between the arrogant Australian bastard, and the arrogant Finnish bastard...  :(

Little Man Syndrome, it's not your height though, it's your country that you're hung up on.  :o

No, Finland produces very fine snipers 1 of them kliped around 400 (?) Russians + Lordi & other
heavy metal bands a very good.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 07, 2013, 01:35:35 AM
and Finns can drink like beasts, almost as good as Scots ;)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 01:58:56 AM
No, Finland produces very fine snipers 1 of them kliped around 400 (?) Russians + Lordi & other
heavy metal bands a very good.


Hell yeah  8)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 07, 2013, 02:04:09 AM
Hell yeah  8)

"Hard Rock Hallelujah" by Lordi
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 02:11:43 AM
"Hard Rock Hallelujah" by Lordi

Cool video, amazingly beautiful woman:
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 04:05:31 AM
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Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
and Finns can drink like beasts, almost as good as Scots ;)
???
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Palpatine Q on October 07, 2013, 04:18:52 AM
fuck all this bla-bla horseshit, let's get some pics of some more hot asian sluts up in this bitch

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-15.jpg?w=499&h=669)

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-24.jpg?w=500&h=750)

(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/gorgeous-asian-girls-34.jpg?w=500&h=666)

How old are you again ?

Here's a PRO TIP.

around 30-33 years old is the cutoff for acting like a horny teenager. If you're very good looking.. you can extend it...but we all know that's not the case here.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 07, 2013, 04:45:38 AM
How old are you again ?

Here's a PRO TIP.

around 30-33 years old is the cutoff for acting like a horny teenager. If you're very good looking.. you can extend it...but we all know that's not the case here.

must be the dbol speaking

i'm up nearly 15 pounds in bodyweight and i'm starting to look like a bodybuilder with my wide lats and capped delts 8)

oh, and i'm getting some pins on me as well, barbell squats work ;)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: NordicNerd on October 07, 2013, 05:26:19 AM
Lol the UK, France, Pakistan, north Korea--these are superpowers?  Dream on, "Vince"

You cannot compare Pakistan/North Korea with the UK and France.

NN
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 07, 2013, 05:34:08 AM
And all this matters how? We live in a global, multi-national economy. Economic nationalism is a relic of the past. Nationality means next to nothing in business today. Either you're part of the global economy, or you're not. No so-called US company cares about the US economy, or the standard of living in the US. Profit is all that matters. Almost all have a very international flavor in the top ranks. They have more in common with each other than they do with some guy running a small business in Iowa.

Given the growing gap between the haves and the haves not in the US, most people reading this in the US will see their, and their descendants, quality of life go down, while the international elite (of any nationality), will continue to prosper and further separate themselves from the have nots. If you live in a fly-over state, with a low cost of living, you may not realize what's going on, but if you live on the coasts or in DC, it's obvious. A decent 850 foot, 1 bedroom apartment, in Manhattan costs $1 mil. Only a tiny percentage of NYC residents can afford this. However, the market is roaring. Why? Foreign nationals. Lots of Arab, Chinese, Russian, etc., money.

good post.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: syntaxmachine on October 07, 2013, 06:37:35 AM
And all this matters how? We live in a global, multi-national economy. Economic nationalism is a relic of the past. Nationality means next to nothing in business today. Either you're part of the global economy, or you're not.

Whether China has the tools to become a superpower matters because -- as best as I'm able to tell, anyway -- power still matters: states are still jockeying for more influence and seeking to limit the influence of others via a variety of channels, including but not limited to military, economic, and (perceived) cultural superiority, all aimed at securing their perceived interests in perpetuity. Has the 21st century thus far been different than the 20th in this regard, ever-increasing economic ties and all? I'd say not.

To the extent that that's true, the subject of the thread is pertinent. Actually, it's still pertinent even if none of what I've said is true, because it's a rebuttal of the fearmongers who think China is about to become a viable rival to US hegemony.

Given the growing gap between the haves and the haves not in the US, most people reading this in the US will see their, and their descendants, quality of life go down, while the international elite (of any nationality), will continue to prosper and further separate themselves from the have nots. If you live in a fly-over state, with a low cost of living, you may not realize what's going on, but if you live on the coasts or in DC, it's obvious.

This is an interesting issue that also needs to be discussed.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 07, 2013, 06:47:04 AM
Well, China is by far the oldest still living civilisation, with the history of few thousand years, so some of us find that lot more interesting than kangaroos and emus. I certainly understand your problems, it is too easy among us europeans , because we have up to eight weeks vacation each year with full salary. In Finland we get six weeks at the summer, two weeks at the winter, we have full salary + 50% vacation pay, and small extra when we come back to work, which is called "return from vacation pay". That way we have each year lot of time to travel, and money to do so  ;D

As much as it pains me to say it, because I love to travel, it's these type of policies that have several countries in Europe failing.  Say what you want about fat lazy Americans, we work ourselves to death, and that's how we are able to afford what we have. (for the most part)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2013, 06:52:44 AM
The USA and Europe are still the leaders in terms of science, medicine technology, academics, innovation and new inventions.
When the Roman Empire started going in decline, so did its levels of art, construction and quality of manufacturing and equipment. I think this is important.

If the West starts regressing in these areas, then I'd say the balance of power would be shifting towards China.

But currently, they and much of Asia, generally don't encourage initiative, questioning, criticism and critical thinking. Could be down to Confucianism, religion and government structures of their history which they still follow to a degree. A system which favours smoothness and harmony at the expense of individuality and criticism.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: phreak on October 07, 2013, 07:09:50 AM
As much as it pains me to say it, because I love to travel, it's these type of policies that have several countries in Europe failing.  Say what you want about fat lazy Americans, we work ourselves to death, and that's how we are able to afford what we have. (for the most part)
I see your point, but don't confuse working long hours with being productive. If long hours are the standard, then India would be a paradise instead of the shithole that it actually is.  :-X What is the actual value produced during those hours, that is the only valid metric.

Honestly an n=1 observation, but my US colleagues are not more productive than we are here in Europe. A bit less even, but the difference is negligible. They do work (i.e. "are present at their desks") long hours though, whereas here people struggle to fill their 36 hours per week with work. Minesweeper FTW. ;) So I get a lot of talk out of NY about how hard they work, and how cut-throat competition is, but the only thing they excell at is self-aggrandizing.

*edit*
If it is any consolation, I see the same behavior on Germany. A lot of talk about working hard, but little extra to show for it.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2013, 07:36:14 AM
I see your point, but don't confuse working long hours with being productive. If long hours are the standard, then India would be a paradise instead of the shithole that it actually is.  :-X What is the actual value produced during those hours, that is the only valid metric.

Honestly an n=1 observation, but my US colleagues are not more productive than we are here in Europe. A bit less even, but the difference is negligible. They do work (i.e. "are present at their desks") long hours though, whereas here people struggle to fill their 36 hours per week with work. Minesweeper FTW. ;) So I get a lot of talk out of NY about how hard they work, and how cut-throat competition is, but the only thing they excell at is self-aggrandizing.

*edit*
If it is any consolation, I see the same behavior on Germany. A lot of talk about working hard, but little extra to show for it.

Your are right. In economics, it is productivity that matters in this case.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
Seem like a real enough threat to me.  Supreme manpower, nuclear, technologically sophisticated enough to trump the rest of the world in space, self sufficient industry (are we even anymore?), opposed political ideology, racist as hell, bloody as hell history, united in purpose, and with a belief in their own momentum.

The foilhatter in me says US wars are about grabbing the lubricant that moves the world before the Chinese giant is awake enough to do it.  The US is moving in the Pacific, or at least there was a to-do about US troops in Darwin, a Chinese objection, and then the usual who-knows what came of it.  And I hope someone is working hard to drive a wedge between China and India.  No one talks about India much but I believe they are of tipping point importance.

How about instead of China collapsing upon itself if the West fails enough to stop buying Chinese goods, they put a rifle in every able bodied man's hands and send him forth?  Counting aircraft carriers and stealth bombers is ok too but a tsunami of determined armed men would be no joke, and our embarrassing military performance in the ME and sliding world popularity probably emboldens the more imperial of the Chinese leadership.  I'm not saying they would attempt a mainland invasion of North America but they could take the Pacific, including Australia/NZ, and be entrenched before the US and allies could do anything about it.

Thinking of them as hopeless little yellow men whose only ambition is to make widgets for us is dangerous.  There's way too much smug self-satisfaction on the part of a declining West and a little good old fashioned fear would be a healthy thing.  They're a real threat.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 07:57:35 AM
^of course they are not happy making widgets, nobody is.
That is why many of their workers are wanting an increase in pay, and why many corporations are moving towards Africa and other countries for cheap labor. Many call centers now are moving from India to the Phillipines due to the fact that they are able to mimic American accents.

China's population pyramid shows that their work force has grown older not, younger, plus a lack of women, and their self imposed 1 child stipulation, factor in as well. Then there is the lack of innovation, as someone spoke on before, and the love of western goods.

Yes, the west is declining, but can we pop back up? Time will see
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 07, 2013, 08:14:48 AM
"Very soon we will get the girls financial world domination"
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Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 08:23:33 AM
^of course they are not happy making widgets, nobody is.
That is why many of their workers are wanting an increase in pay, and why many corporations are moving towards Africa and other countries for cheap labor. Many call centers now are moving from India to the Phillipines due to the fact that they are able to mimic American accents.

China's population pyramid shows that their work force has grown older not, younger, plus a lack of women, and their self imposed 1 child stipulation, factor in as well. Then there is the lack of innovation, as someone spoke on before, and the love of western goods.

Yes, the west is declining, but can we pop back up? Time will see

I don't agree at all that Chinese lack the ability to innovate.  What a weird claim.  They innovated like crazy for thousands of years.  Beat the west to plenty.  They're clever people, same as us.  

Best to err on the side of underconfidence.  

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 07, 2013, 08:51:41 AM
Seem like a real enough threat to me.  Supreme manpower, nuclear, technologically sophisticated enough to trump the rest of the world in space, self sufficient industry (are we even anymore?), opposed political ideology, racist as hell, bloody as hell history, united in purpose, and with a belief in their own momentum.

The foilhatter in me says US wars are about grabbing the lubricant that moves the world before the Chinese giant is awake enough to do it.  The US is moving in the Pacific, or at least there was a to-do about US troops in Darwin, a Chinese objection, and then the usual who-knows what came of it.  And I hope someone is working hard to drive a wedge between China and India.  No one talks about India much but I believe they are of tipping point importance.

How about instead of China collapsing upon itself if the West fails enough to stop buying Chinese goods, they put a rifle in every able bodied man's hands and send him forth?  Counting aircraft carriers and stealth bombers is ok too but a tsunami of determined armed men would be no joke, and our embarrassing military performance in the ME and sliding world popularity probably emboldens the more imperial of the Chinese leadership.  I'm not saying they would attempt a mainland invasion of North America but they could take the Pacific, including Australia/NZ, and be entrenched before the US and allies could do anything about it.

Thinking of them as hopeless little yellow men whose only ambition is to make widgets for us is dangerous.  There's way too much smug self-satisfaction on the part of a declining West and a little good old fashioned fear would be a healthy thing.  They're a real threat.

Exactly, as the germans in russia, and the confederates in the civil war found out, sometimes there is no substitue for sheer manpower. China can put more men into battle than the whole US and EU combined. I think that's the reason for the india thing...the only way to counter chinas overwhelming manpower is to be able to tap india's. Lol.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 09:10:13 AM
I don't agree at all that Chinese lack the ability to innovate.  What a weird claim.  They innovated like crazy for thousands of years.  Beat the west to plenty.  They're clever people, same as us.  

Best to err on the side of underconfidence.  


That was then, this is now. It's been around for 5,000 years. if a country has been around that long, i'd hope it would develop and innovate something. Their corporate culture encourages theft, cheating and lack of innovation.
It almost seems indicative of some sort of shared or similar Asian cultural aspects of South East Asian in origin. I don't know. The Japanese and Koreans have it---copy, copy, copy....don't stand out...
The Japanese car manufacturers are well known for their "wait for the Germans to come out with new tech, and we will copy it when the bugs are worked out" mentality....which is one of the reasons why things are slow comig out of the pipe for them. Another is not criticizing leadership, which one of the reasons why Honda is losing it's path.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
I don't agree at all that Chinese lack the ability to innovate.  What a weird claim.  They innovated like crazy for thousands of years.  Beat the west to plenty.  They're clever people, same as us.  

Best to err on the side of underconfidence.  



Yes, but their civilization stayed at the same levels or stagnated for a very long time.

The reason why the West was behind for a period was due to the Roman Empire falling and barbarian invasion which set the clock back and put Europe into the Dark Ages. It took a long while just to get back to similar standards of the Western Roman Empire.
But when they did start recovering, it was a very rapid rise in terms of art, technology and innovation.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 10:27:53 AM
That was then, this is now. It's been around for 5,000 years. if a country has been around that long, i'd hope it would develop and innovate something. Their corporate culture encourages theft, cheating and lack of innovation.
It almost seems indicative of some sort of shared or similar Asian cultural aspects of South East Asian in origin. I don't know. The Japanese and Koreans have it---copy, copy, copy....don't stand out...
The Japanese car manufacturers are well known for their "wait for the Germans to come out with new tech, and we will copy it when the bugs are worked out" mentality....which is one of the reasons why things are slow comig out of the pipe for them. Another is not criticizing leadership, which one of the reasons why Honda is losing it's path.


I really can't speak to any of that except to say that I imagine a similar corporate culture exists to some degree in the West.  I'm guessing, of course, but this stuff doesn't strike me as uniquely Asian.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be dismissive of China as a military threat on the basis of having some big hardware.  The US is already extended militarily, economically, industrially, even culturally, and if I were China I'd be making friends and waiting for a time when the planets come into alignment.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 10:43:09 AM
Yes, but their civilization stayed at the same levels or stagnated for a very long time.

The reason why the West was behind for a period was due to the Roman Empire falling and barbarian invasion which set the clock back and put Europe into the Dark Ages. It took a long while just to get back to similar standards of the Western Roman Empire.
But when they did start recovering, it was a very rapid rise in terms of art, technology and innovation.

Sure.  There's a gazillion reasons why a culture would progress, stew, regress, amalgamate, concentrate, dissipate, whatever.  Happened there same as in Europe.  It seems intellectually lazy to cast all that aside and just label a race or culture as 'innately X, by their nature.' 

They're deadly little monkeys just like we are.

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 07, 2013, 10:47:35 AM
1. A per capita GDP similar to such luminaries as Jamaica and Thailand, ranked #93 in the world.

2. Epic poverty:

Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day   39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day    62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day    71.6% (948 million)


An estimated 200 million people in China are homeless. Estimates tend to be conservative, and there will be many more in awful accommodation which can hardly be counted as homely.

3. Artificially stimulated GDP growth: there are entire ghost cities of empty apartment buildings with prices kept artificially high in a bid to at least maintain GDP growth, when in fact many of the goods and services contributing to these figures are neither needed nor wanted, hence not worth even remotely close to what they are claimed to be.

4. A crappy language: Mandarin is highly inefficient, takes ages to learn, and is worthless, since the only moderately well-off places in China are in big cities and generally speak good English. The opportunity cost of learning something like Mandarin is enormous.

5. A super high savings rate: seemingly an asset, the savings rate is a result of Chinese households recognizing that there aren't really social programs to prop them up in the event of disaster (the way some want it in the States), plus a conscious decision by central planners to pursue an export driven growth model.

The result is an unsustainable situation in which export-driven growth needs to be replaced with more domestic consumption, something it isn't clear the central planners will be able to pull off. Failure will in all probability lead to significant, possibly fatal social unrest (see (2) above) while success will mean significantly lower growth rates, quite the dilemma.

6. A largely unproven, shite military with low quality equipment and little R&D spending, plus an embarrassingly small class of the sorts of naval vessels that allow power projection abroad (read: ONE), a necessary but not sufficient capability for any superpower:

(http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/images/Global_Spending_Graph.jpg)

(http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/carrierchart.jpg)

7. An overtly authoritarian model of thought control that stifles excellence in intellectual pursuits and thus technological/scientific advancement: Ireland has more nobel prize winners than China (9 vs 8; US=338), and China is known to imprison its own winners (see: Liu Xiaobo).

But yes, they are going to supersede the US and become a world superpower very, VERY soon. Say hello to your new overlords!  ::)

So by your math there are over 3 billion people in China?  
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Griffith on October 07, 2013, 10:48:01 AM
Sure.  There's a gazillion reasons why a culture would progress, stew, regress, amalgamate, concentrate, dissipate, whatever.  Happened there same as in Europe.  It seems intellectually lazy to cast all that aside and just label a race or culture as 'innately X, by their nature.'  

They're deadly little monkeys just like we are.



Yes, things can change, so the West needs to keep trying to improve and stay ahead.

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Schmoff on October 07, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
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Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Schmoff on October 07, 2013, 10:55:48 AM
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Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: avxo on October 07, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
So by your math there are over 2 billion people in China? 

How do you figure?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on October 07, 2013, 11:09:39 AM
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I just wanted to call someone a little monkey and get away with it.  And I would have succeeded too if it weren't for you meddling kids.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 01:18:33 PM
I really can't speak to any of that except to say that I imagine a similar corporate culture exists to some degree in the West.  I'm guessing, of course, but this stuff doesn't strike me as uniquely Asian.

All I'm saying is we shouldn't be dismissive of China as a military threat on the basis of having some big hardware.  The US is already extended militarily, economically, industrially, even culturally, and if I were China I'd be making friends and waiting for a time when the planets come into alignment.
China needs all their man power to keep all those people in line...when the parents are away, the kids will play...

One of the many problems with America is the corporate culture...the corporations care not about America's future, only about profit...how can a child not care about it's mother? Has the child learned to be a ruthless as it's mother (the US being ruthless in how it has treated it's own people and others in order to become what it is today)?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 07, 2013, 01:21:03 PM
I see your point, but don't confuse working long hours with being productive. If long hours are the standard, then India would be a paradise instead of the shithole that it actually is.  :-X What is the actual value produced during those hours, that is the only valid metric.

Honestly an n=1 observation, but my US colleagues are not more productive than we are here in Europe. A bit less even, but the difference is negligible. They do work (i.e. "are present at their desks") long hours though, whereas here people struggle to fill their 36 hours per week with work. Minesweeper FTW. ;) So I get a lot of talk out of NY about how hard they work, and how cut-throat competition is, but the only thing they excell at is self-aggrandizing.

*edit*
If it is any consolation, I see the same behavior on Germany. A lot of talk about working hard, but little extra to show for it.

Your are right. In economics, it is productivity that matters in this case.

Americans Are World's Most Productive Workers, U.N. Report Finds
Associated Press

GENEVA –  American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.

They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States "leads the world in labor productivity."

The average U.S. worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235 and France at $54,609.

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 07, 2013, 01:40:25 PM
That was then, this is now. It's been around for 5,000 years. if a country has been around that long, i'd hope it would develop and innovate something. Their corporate culture encourages theft, cheating and lack of innovation.
It almost seems indicative of some sort of shared or similar Asian cultural aspects of South East Asian in origin. I don't know. The Japanese and Koreans have it---copy, copy, copy....don't stand out...
The Japanese car manufacturers are well known for their "wait for the Germans to come out with new tech, and we will copy it when the bugs are worked out" mentality....which is one of the reasons why things are slow comig out of the pipe for them. Another is not criticizing leadership, which one of the reasons why Honda is losing it's path.


Lol where do u get your source from? Seems u and others hear what someone saids and just regurgitates the same thing...

Research your cars a bit more, in the past, yes, but not current, as far as Japanese cars go :D LFA, Supra, 300zx, GTR, FRS, etc.... One example : Japanese were perfecting electric steering on the NSX and that car was waaaay ahead of its time before the Germans even did electric steering and yet still can't get it right

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 02:28:54 PM
Lol where do u get your source from? Seems u and others hear what someone saids and just regurgitates the same thing...

Research your cars a bit more, in the past, yes, but not current, as far as Japanese cars go :D LFA, Supra, 300zx, GTR, FRS, etc.... One example : Japanese were perfecting electric steering on the NSX and that car was waaaay ahead of its time before the Germans even did electric steering and yet still can't get it right


Historically, the Japanese when it comes to tech in their luxury cars waited for the Germans to come out with the tech, as the Germans used the customer as guinea pigs...when they worked the clichés out, the Japanese would perfect that tech. They also took to bringing things to market a long time. Lexus is well known for this. And this one of the reasons why lexus and other Japanese manufacturers have a rep for reliability. The LFA went thru several iterations, and had to be re-engineered, brocade it came out.
The FRS is the result of Toyota's top man wanting Toyota to have "drivers" cars, to have fun. The GT-R would be still a Concept if it wasn't for Renault's money and Ghosn at the helm.
300zx, was good (I want one), but a result of the 90s pricing.
The new 911's with their EPS are damn good.
NSX was great, but long in tooth...still looks like an exotic today, and was one of the reasons. Why Ferrari brought out the F355.

Bottom line, it's a cultural thing with Japan and the corporate/car/product culture. It's like a tool , a tool must be reliable. An appliance must be reliable, so it's designed that way. Not to say that new tech cannot be put into the design, but untried new tech, defeats the purpose of reliability.
The Germans want to come out with all types of new tech, just look at the "new" S class (on the same chassis as the "old" S class, just like the "new" Lexus LS), all this new tech that they brought out.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: drmarkp on October 07, 2013, 03:11:23 PM
This..
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 07, 2013, 04:35:28 PM
Historically, the Japanese when it comes to tech in their luxury cars waited for the Germans to come out with the tech, as the Germans used the customer as guinea pigs...when they worked the clichés out, the Japanese would perfect that tech. They also took to bringing things to market a long time. Lexus is well known for this. And this one of the reasons why lexus and other Japanese manufacturers have a rep for reliability. The LFA went thru several iterations, and had to be re-engineered, brocade it came out.
The FRS is the result of Toyota's top man wanting Toyota to have "drivers" cars, to have fun. The GT-R would be still a Concept if it wasn't for Renault's money and Ghosn at the helm.
300zx, was good (I want one), but a result of the 90s pricing.
The new 911's with their EPS are damn good.
NSX was great, but long in tooth...still looks like an exotic today, and was one of the reasons. Why Ferrari brought out the F355.

Bottom line, it's a cultural thing with Japan and the corporate/car/product culture. It's like a tool , a tool must be reliable. An appliance must be reliable, so it's designed that way. Not to say that new tech cannot be put into the design, but untried new tech, defeats the purpose of reliability.
The Germans want to come out with all types of new tech, just look at the "new" S class (on the same chassis as the "old" S class, just like the "new" Lexus LS), all this new tech that they brought out.


Actually Germans can't do electronics reliably to save their life compared to the Japanese no matter who comes out with the tech first Italians even worse

Germans do too many nonsense tech that no one cares about, they just do it just because.

It's not only about waiting and perfecting that's a myth with little truth to it, the Germans main concern over the years were suspension, sporty, driving cars for the most part, reliability was an after thought, Japanese has always been about putting out a high quality product that lasts and can be driven forever.

These yrs things have changed the Germans are noticing that customers care about reliability and have improved.

The GTR has been in existence since I think the 60's....as skylines

Honda built some of the best engines in F1 at a time when Aryton Senna was racing.

They were so good McLaren wanted them to build the V12 for their super car in 1995, Honda refused so they went with BMW

all of saying is the Japanese don't get enough credit for things and everyone spews the same shit

I say dig deeper Parker and read more about the automotive side instead of car comparisons  :D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 07, 2013, 04:40:17 PM
And the 911 electric steering is not they great, go drive one... Don't read what's in magazines, as a matter of fact the mags are saying its not that great either....

NSX is long in the tooth no denying that but for its time and even a lot of enthusiasts today consider it one of the best cars ever! Early models were very hardcore, 91-93, superb chassis, first car ever all aluminum  later models got softer and less rigid in chassis, steering and suspension  ;)
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
And the 911 electric steering is not they great, go drive one... Don't read what's in magazines, as a matter of fact the mags are saying its not that great either....

NSX is long in the tooth no denying that but for its time and even a lot of enthusiasts today consider it one of the best cars ever! Early models were very hardcore, 91-93, superb chassis, first car ever all aluminum  later models got softer and less rigid in chassis, steering and suspension  ;)
drove a 911 991 the electric steering is pretty good, a lot better than the 5 series.

They apparently made it better in the GT3, and they are sticking with it. And the new M3/M4 will get it as well.

And yes, the NSX still delights today...says what you can do with an excellent chassis. And was the vehicle that Ron Dennis and Gordon Murray when they developed the Mclaren F1.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 07, 2013, 05:58:24 PM
I am really concern about GB Jew Wiggs safety, Chinese could kidnap him & exploit his "intellectual" strength  :-[
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: phreak on October 08, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
Americans Are World's Most Productive Workers, U.N. Report Finds
Associated Press

GENEVA –  American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.

They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States "leads the world in labor productivity."

The average U.S. worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235 and France at $54,609.



Thanks, good info. Can I get the source? Because we also need to know how this plays out per capita (not per worker), what the cost of living expenses are, etc. All in all a big can of worms. Which is why I didn't say IronGrip was wrong, just that I had my doubts. But proven wrong here, so I've learned something.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: asbrus on October 08, 2013, 12:49:12 AM
1. A per capita GDP similar to such luminaries as Jamaica and Thailand, ranked #93 in the world.

2. Epic poverty:

Live less than $1.25 a day 13.1% (172 million)
Live less than $2 a day 29.8% (394 million)
Live less than $2.5 a day   39.9% (528 million)
Live less than $4 a day    62% (821 million)
Live less than $5 a day    71.6% (948 million)

An estimated 200 million people in China are homeless. Estimates tend to be conservative, and there will be many more in awful accommodation which can hardly be counted as homely.

3. Artificially stimulated GDP growth: there are entire ghost cities of empty apartment buildings with prices kept artificially high in a bid to at least maintain GDP growth, when in fact many of the goods and services contributing to these figures are neither needed nor wanted, hence not worth even remotely close to what they are claimed to be.

4. A crappy language: Mandarin is highly inefficient, takes ages to learn, and is worthless, since the only moderately well-off places in China are in big cities and generally speak good English. The opportunity cost of learning something like Mandarin is enormous.

5. A super high savings rate: seemingly an asset, the savings rate is a result of Chinese households recognizing that there aren't really social programs to prop them up in the event of disaster (the way some want it in the States), plus a conscious decision by central planners to pursue an export driven growth model.

The result is an unsustainable situation in which export-driven growth needs to be replaced with more domestic consumption, something it isn't clear the central planners will be able to pull off. Failure will in all probability lead to significant, possibly fatal social unrest (see (2) above) while success will mean significantly lower growth rates, quite the dilemma.

6. A largely unproven, shite military with low quality equipment and little R&D spending, plus an embarrassingly small class of the sorts of naval vessels that allow power projection abroad (read: ONE), a necessary but not sufficient capability for any superpower:

(http://old.armscontrolcenter.org/images/Global_Spending_Graph.jpg)

(http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/carrierchart.jpg)

7. An overtly authoritarian model of thought control that stifles excellence in intellectual pursuits and thus technological/scientific advancement: Ireland has more nobel prize winners than China (9 vs 8; US=338), and China is known to imprison its own winners (see: Liu Xiaobo).

But yes, they are going to supersede the US and become a world superpower very, VERY soon. Say hello to your new overlords!  ::)


L0L L0L L0L. H0MELESS? IT'S A S0CIALIST/ C0MMUNIST C0UNTRY. THERE ARE N0 H0MELESS PE0PLE IN CHINA.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Parker on October 08, 2013, 01:18:47 AM

L0L L0L L0L. H0MELESS? IT'S A S0CIALIST/ C0MMUNIST C0UNTRY. THERE ARE N0 H0MELESS PE0PLE IN CHINA.
Still haven't gotten your keyboard fixed?
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: phreak on October 08, 2013, 01:24:22 AM
Still haven't gotten your keyboard fixed?
Waiting for parts to be delivered from China.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: NordicNerd on October 08, 2013, 02:13:19 AM
...
Honestly an n=1 observation, but my US colleagues are not more productive than we are here in Europe. A bit less even, but the difference is negligible. They do work (i.e. "are present at their desks") long hours though, whereas here people struggle to fill their 36 hours per week with work. Minesweeper FTW. ;) So I get a lot of talk out of NY about how hard they work, and how cut-throat competition is, but the only thing they excell at is self-aggrandizing....

Not N=1, but an anecdotal observation with unknown N (where N denotes the number of observed individuals, not the number of observers), described in an anecdotal fashion that makes it unverifiable. Still interesting, though! ;-)

NN
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: phreak on October 08, 2013, 03:32:43 AM
Not N=1, but an anecdotal observation with unknown N (where N denotes the number of observed individuals, not the number of observers), described in an anecdotal fashion that makes it unverifiable. Still interesting, though! ;-)

NN
Very true, thanks. So using the AMA style: Anecdotal, N=80, n=17. ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: NordicNerd on October 08, 2013, 05:56:58 AM
Very true, thanks. So using the AMA style: Anecdotal, N=80, n=17. ;D

Great, I hereby accept the submitted manuscript for publication. :-)

NN
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower REAL Soon
Post by: Ropo on October 19, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
As much as it pains me to say it, because I love to travel, it's these type of policies that have several countries in Europe failing.  Say what you want about fat lazy Americans, we work ourselves to death, and that's how we are able to afford what we have. (for the most part)

But you have earn that pain, no doubt about it. And while you are in pain, I have been fuckin 16 year old chinese bitch, who are willing to suck life out of my cock. Not my life, but hers, because I pay her just about what she earns in a year by knitting commando stocking caps for black americans, so they would be able to rob liquor stores. Do you know Kama Sutra? That is for childrens, but this Kung Fu Fucking what these chinese bitch are able to do, will blow your semen through the roof. There will be pigeons and seagulls dropping from the sky when you are spilling your load at the hands of these bitches  ;D
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 19, 2013, 02:20:21 PM
Is it true that China is encouraging its citizens to buy Gold?  While our government has food stamp recruiters with monthly quotas?

???
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 19, 2013, 02:25:03 PM

L0L L0L L0L. H0MELESS? IT'S A S0CIALIST/ C0MMUNIST C0UNTRY. THERE ARE N0 H0MELESS PE0PLE IN CHINA.

Have you been to China? There are plenty of homeless people there.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Rami on October 19, 2013, 02:29:49 PM

L0L L0L L0L. H0MELESS? IT'S A S0CIALIST/ C0MMUNIST C0UNTRY. THERE ARE N0 H0MELESS PE0PLE IN CHINA.

your ego is making a fool out of you
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Mr Nobody on October 19, 2013, 03:13:36 PM
They should ask Japan if the want to mess with the USA. Lights will go out.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Mr.1derful on October 19, 2013, 03:30:47 PM
Is it true that China is encouraging its citizens to buy Gold?  While our government has food stamp recruiters with monthly quotas?

???

Yes, they are encouraging them to buy both gold and silver. 
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 19, 2013, 03:32:23 PM
China has no balls to take on Taiwan  ;) or those rocky islands  ;D (Japan).
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Bevo on October 19, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
China has no balls to take on Taiwan  ;) or those rocky islands  ;D (Japan).

Musclecenter agrees
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 19, 2013, 05:52:38 PM
Musclecenter agrees

Someone make a Taiwan Strong video with musclecenters face:

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Roger Bacon on October 25, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Syntax, please comment on these articles!!

Chinese to Invest in British Nuclear Power
LONDON — Britain said on Thursday that it would allow Chinese firms to buy stakes in British nuclear power plants and eventually acquire majority holdings.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/business/international/britain-to-let-chinese-buy-into-nuclear-power-plants.html?_r=2&

China's Largest Conglomerate Buys Building Housing JPMorgan's Gold Vault
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-18/chinas-largest-conglomerate-buys-building-houses-jpmorgans-gold-vault

China buys up Britain as politics takes a back seat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10377750/China-buys-up-Britain-as-politics-takes-a-back-seat.html

Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Marty Champions on October 25, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
syntax is super smart



if you dont know math how can you be smart

he doesnt have a degree in math

im not smart either because i dont have a degree in math either

people who know math and physics are smart
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Natural Man on October 25, 2013, 08:10:13 PM
there are no wars between countries , only wars between riches and poors.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: dj181 on October 26, 2013, 01:09:59 AM
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Gregzs on November 07, 2013, 11:38:13 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/want-to-move-abroad-this-map-shows-the-best-and-worst-countries-to-be-an-expatriate/#!

Want to move abroad? This map shows the best and worst countries to be an expatriate.

China and Thailand are the two best countries to be an expatriate, according to a recent study by British bank HSBC that looked at economic opportunities and quality of life for expats in 34 countries. They're followed by small, rich countries known for their globalized business classes. In descending order, they are: Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Bahrain and Singapore.

The worst of these 34 countries to be an expat is Egypt, which has seen xenophobia rise considerably since this summer's military coup and wave of populist nationalism. Also at the bottom of the list is much of Western Europe, which the report says is often too expensive for expats. In descending order: France, Spain, the United Kingdom, Italy and second-to-last is Ireland.

For 24 of those countries, the study also looked at metrics gauging the suitability of raising children as expats. If you incorporate the data on child rearing abroad along with the economic and quality-of-life measurements, China ranks first overall, following by Germany and Singapore. The study concludes that Germany is the best of these countries to raise expat children, that Thailand provides the best work-life experience for expats, and that Switzerland has the most favorable economy for expatriates.

This map shows how the 34 countries compare on economic opportunities and quality-of-life for expats. It does not include the metrics on child rearing. Bluer countries are better for expats and redder countries are worse:

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/11/expats.jpg)

You can see right away that the data are very favorable for expat life in Asia's developing economies. Companies in these countries prize expat workers and tend to pay them 15 percent more, the report explains. This, combined with lower costs of living, can give expats much higher spending power than they'd enjoy elsewhere. Expats in East and Southeast Asia also tend to report that their social lives become much more active on moving there, due perhaps to the boost in disposable incomes as well as better weather and proximity to beaches.

Still, I was surprised to see mainland China rank so high. The country's worsening air quality (here is the most shocking photo of Chinese air pollution I've ever seen) and food safety issues (watch this video on Chinese "gutter oil" if you dare), particularly severe in the major cities likely to host expats, have sent a number of expats packing as China once again becomes a "hardship" posting. Perhaps the economics really are that favorable to outweigh these costs.

Germany and Switzerland also scored well for expats, as both economies improve despite the larger European woes. Salaries for expats are unusually high in the German-speaking countries and expenses are lower than in the rest of the Europe, owing to export-driven economic growth. Strong social programs and high standards of living also tend to make the experience pleasant, even if expats do not live as a class-above as they do in many developing economies.

Middle Eastern countries tend be worse places for expats, owing to legislation that makes it tougher for foreigners to own property and because of formal and informal social restrictions that can cut back on quality of life. The exceptions are Bahrain and Qatar, two very wealthy and very small Persian Gulf states whose governments work to attract the wealthy expats they see as crucial to building businesses there. It should go without saying that HSBC's study does not consider "guest workers" in its measurements. Gulf states, particularly Qatar, have notorious reputations for mistreating migrant laborers from South and Southeast Asia, who work in difficult conditions and with few protections.

A big surprise here may be the countries of Western Europe, which despite their wealth and high standards of living are considered among the worst countries to be an expat, according to the study. The report cites high taxes and costly services; expenses that might make sense if you're a citizen who plans to one day employ your country's substantial social services, but less so if you're an expat who pays into those services but doesn't fully benefit. The European Union's ongoing financial problems also mean that salaries are less competitive, particularly compared to the higher cost of living. Part of this may be that Western European companies, as well as foreign companies with offices in Western Europe, are not as willing to invest in growth with all the economic uncertainty. Otherwise, though, Western Europe ranks highly for child rearing, with high-quality education and child services relatively affordable.

Based just on this report, if you're thinking about flying off for the life of an expat and you don't want to have kids there, then you should consider China, Thailand or someplace else in Asia. And if you want to have kids abroad, then Germany should also be near the top of your list.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: syntaxmachine on November 08, 2013, 03:35:34 AM
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/11/expats.jpg)

1. While the study is informative, one issue it doesn't address is the availability of work opportunities in the countries under consideration: sure, Bahrain is a great place for expats who get jobs there (using disposable income as a metric), but what are the chances of getting such jobs in the first place?

The study doesn't even purport to consider this issue, which is fine -- that's HSBC's choice (perhaps made out of necessity). But the article reporting the study does presume that the study somehow represents a 'list of places wannabe expats should go,' which simply isn't true since the average wannabe expat isn't going to be capable of getting jobs in a lot of these countries.

2. The data is collected from HSBC customers and "online expat communities," a possibly unrepresentative sample which may lead to skewing in either direction (income-wise): one the one hand, I imagine people with shit income aren't online sharing such info, but on the other hand, a class of high income professionals aren't likely to be a part of said online communities: financial professionals with decades of experience who are from an older generation, say.

3. We don't know how many respondents there are per country, and thus don't know how robust the results are. The HSBC website mentions that the 37 countries featured had a "minimum of 30 respondents", but that is a very low threshold and doesn't indicate how respondents any of specific country had.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Tapeworm on November 08, 2013, 11:40:10 AM
I will move to China and work for you for $3 million usd pa. or more.  Let the bidding commence.
Title: Re: China Set to Become Epic Superpower VERY Soon
Post by: Mr Nobody on November 08, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
We will beat the piss out of those punks.