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Just wondering if people have experience doing half a tab of anadrol 50 per day.
So I know lots of people do 50, and some 100 and some even 150 mg per day
50 seems pretty potent, and was wondering if people have tried doing half a tab (and divided into two parts, so that's 2 x 12.5 mg per day).
Maybe for a more conservative approach, less bloat, less blood pressure and liver strain etc.
Thougths, experiences?
the reasoning would also be to do the cycle longer - so instead of say...whatever 4-6 weeks, then more like 7-8.
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Just wondering if people have experience doing half a tab of anadrol 50 per day.
So I know lots of people do 50, and some 100 and some even 150 mg per day
50 seems pretty potent, and was wondering if people have tried doing half a tab (and divided into two parts, so that's 2 x 12.5 mg per day).
Maybe for a more conservative approach, less bloat, less blood pressure and liver strain etc.
Thougths, experiences?
the reasoning would also be to do the cycle longer - so instead of say...whatever 4-6 weeks, then more like 7-8.
Matt C claims to have done like 1/4 tab for a few weeks with great results
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Getbig City needs Matman
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I did it back in the day. It's pretty weak unless it's your first cycle.
30 mg dbol or winstrol is much better IMO.
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If its legit anadrol, yes, in my view the "risks" are overstated. 25mg a day (maybe broken into every 12 hours) should be fine for quite some time 2-3 months even, in my view. And if stacked with some test you will get amazing gains (size and strength).
Be sure to drink lots of fluids, and to not overdo alcohol or caffeine.
I've known powerlifters to be taking 100mg or more a day stacked with other stuff like deca and test and GH, although for shorter periods.
Lets us know how you get on.
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The recommended daily dose in children and adults is 1-5 mg/kg body weight per day.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2004/16848s021lbl.pdf
so a kid of 40kilos could be taking 200mgs a day
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Just wondering if people have experience doing half a tab of anadrol 50 per day.
So I know lots of people do 50, and some 100 and some even 150 mg per day
50 seems pretty potent, and was wondering if people have tried doing half a tab (and divided into two parts, so that's 2 x 12.5 mg per day).
Maybe for a more conservative approach, less bloat, less blood pressure and liver strain etc.
Thougths, experiences?
the reasoning would also be to do the cycle longer - so instead of say...whatever 4-6 weeks, then more like 7-8.
Are you taking this for your anemia?
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I had legit pharmaceutical Drol 50......took a tab a day until the bottle of 100 was gone.......was stronger than shit, and as hard as nails.....no repercussions at all.
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i'm trying something similar
25 mgs off days and 50 mgs on days
and 50 mgs sust 4 or 5 days a week
i think i'll train one on one off one on two off or maybe 2 on 3 off
so i'm only training bout 3 days a week
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Yeah im doing that now, I went up to 300mg aday last week but im not on bloodpressure meds so it fucked that up very quickly and it gave me couple spots so backed down to half a tap now . I love anadrol because of the fullness and strength and its ability to quickly add water weight if you want to bloatmax.
hi Brian...
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Just try it.
I once went 1 tear on, took a week off, then went on for another year. Liver labs stayed in range. Doses ranged from 25-250mg. Sometimes I would take weekends off. Sometimes I would take 1 tab on monday, then increase by one tab a day until friday when I wanted to be my strongest.
Maybe even the majority will complain of poor appetite. It never affected my mood in any direction and I slept great on it.
So try it, check your BP regularly, if possible check you hematology and liver parameters every now and then.
One fella on another forum says he's done 100mg a day for 25 years straight. I would never recommend anyone take more than 100mg, studies show 50mg works almost as good with less liver stress. But 250mg for a few days will make you feel real strong, I especially feel it in my grip strength, like I make a fist and just know I'm strong today lol.
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Kek nope I was here maybe 10 years ago but under Latiuss, team 5'8 and under etc.
3 years ago...
Why is he wearing a beanie inside, alone in a thong?
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oh yeah latiuss good poster here,good build if i recall..
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oh yeah latiuss good poster here,good build if i recall..
no wonder on 300mgs a day of anadrol
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Just try it.
I once went 1 tear on, took a week off, then went on for another year. Liver labs stayed in range. Doses ranged from 25-250mg. Sometimes I would take weekends off. Sometimes I would take 1 tab on monday, then increase by one tab a day until friday when I wanted to be my strongest.
Maybe even the majority will complain of poor appetite. It never affected my mood in any direction and I slept great on it.
So try it, check your BP regularly, if possible check you hematology and liver parameters every now and then.
One fella on another forum says he's done 100mg a day for 25 years straight. I would never recommend anyone take more than 100mg, studies show 50mg works almost as good with less liver stress. But 250mg for a few days will make you feel real strong, I especially feel it in my grip strength, like I make a fist and just know I'm strong today lol.
Yeah appetite goes to shit. Do you know why it does??
Also get very fatigued doing AAS. Not constantly but I basically just wanna sleep and rest a lot, feel lethargic and sleepy. More energetic when off. They work fine. So my guess is the anabolism is telling the body to rest and grow.
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No need for orals unless you’re competing, and then only for a short period of time.
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Yeah appetite goes to shit. Do you know why it does??
Also get very fatigued doing AAS. Not constantly but I basically just wanna sleep and rest a lot, feel lethargic and sleepy. More energetic when off. They work fine. So my guess is the anabolism is telling the body to rest and grow.
Honestly I don't know why. The classical explanation is that it's because the liver is taxed so you lose your appetite. But I speculate that it's some type of effect on the nervous system since it can come on immediately, before any major liver stress, alternately some irritating effect on the stomach. Some take their dose after the last mesl of the day, to lessen the appetite suppression during the day. Yes it makes many tired but for me that can be a positive, sleep feels so good, it's like a sleeping pill.
I'm trying a low dose of Halotestin right now. Now this is a very activating steroid, haven't felt this type of positive response in years, quite amazing.
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the liver stress theory sounds like bs.
Appetite goes immediately. no way.... so I agree, sounds right
Definitely the stomach/gut needs some time to adjust to the anadrol.
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Honestly I don't know why. The classical explanation is that it's because the liver is taxed so you lose your appetite. But I speculate that it's some type of effect on the nervous system since it can come on immediately, before any major liver stress, alternately some irritating effect on the stomach. Some take their dose after the last mesl of the day, to lessen the appetite suppression during the day. Yes it makes many tired but for me that can be a positive, sleep feels so good, it's like a sleeping pill.
I'm trying a low dose of Halotestin right now. Now this is a very activating steroid, haven't felt this type of positive response in years, quite amazing.
more positive than dbol?
seems my go to is lowish test only with an oral
dbol, drol and var are all good options but winny no fucking way that drug sucksass
cant get superdrol so not an option but i've never run halo or tbol
tbol seems like it would be a waste for me as it's just a weaker dbol or so they say
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more positive than dbol?
seems my go to is lowish test only with an oral
dbol, drol and var are all good options but winny no fucking way that drug sucksass
cant get superdrol so not an option but i've never run halo or tbol
tbol seems like it would be a waste for me as it's just a weaker dbol or so they say
At this time it's better than anything. But things change with time. For example I can hardly take 10mg of Dbol without being miserable with heartburn for a day. The Halo is activating, meaning I move more physically and feel more assertive, which some would call aggression but aggression can be positive, it's like the opposite of depression. They say Halo has zero effects on muscle growth but I'll take the activating effects because it helps me get off my ass. I ordered 4 more bottles because I don't want to run out now that I feel I'm getting into a positive groove.
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hi Brian...
I am not taking any oral medications
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I am not taking any oral medications
That probably means you are shoving them up your arse
Or maybe swallowing them with Gatorade
Its all semantics with you fuckface
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I am not taking any oral medications
What happened to the bio-identical anavar from your trt doctor lol?
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First question is there any pharmaceutical manufacturer making Anadrol 50 in the US? If there isn't where are you getting Anadrol from? Do you trust the stuff you are buying from the trunk of a car is the same as the when it was made in the US?
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First question is there any pharmaceutical manufacturer making Anadrol 50 in the US? If there isn't where are you getting Anadrol from? Do you trust the stuff you are buying from the trunk of a car is the same as the when it was made in the US?
Lol Van Bilderass is going to smoke you again.
But with Anadrol, there's still (as far as I know, but I haven't juiced for a long time) A-grade Turkish pharma anadrol. And there was also Iranian and Thai pharmacy grade stuff as well.
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I did it back in the day. It's pretty weak unless it's your first cycle.
30 mg dbol or winstrol is much better IMO.
Winny only was my first cycle and I couldn't believe how good the results were. It was magic. Looking back, (obviously) it wasn't the ideal first cycle but psychologically enabled me to appreciate the power of gear.
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Winny only was my first cycle and I couldn't believe how good the results were. It was magic. Looking back, (obviously) it wasn't the ideal first cycle but psychologically enabled me to appreciate the power of gear.
Those were common cycles in the gyms back in the day, and guys would mutate by the end of the cycle.
Only online people say that injectables are a must. Maybe for competitive bodybuilders, but for gym bros, absolutely not.
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Those were common cycles in the gyms back in the day, and guys would mutate by the end of the cycle.
Only online people say that injectables are a must. Maybe for competitive bodybuilders, but for gym bros, absolutely not.
That's the reason i chose tabs, instead. At that age, the idea of needles wasn't my thing. Doing orals made me appreciate maybe IM pins are worth the jab.
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Small doses are great.
I got great results of dbol 5-10mgs
Anavar 10 mgs
Android 25mgs
And as said mattc omit great results off 12.5-25mgs.
People think you need huge doses but you don’t. Hard work and low dose is the way to go.
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First question is there any pharmaceutical manufacturer making Anadrol 50 in the US? If there isn't where are you getting Anadrol from? Do you trust the stuff you are buying from the trunk of a car is the same as the when it was made in the US?
You never learn. But I'm not going to rehash it lol. However there is American made Anadrol. From wiki
"Oxymetholone is one of the few AAS that remains available for medical use in the United States.[26] "
Some bodybuilders have aquired brand name US Anadrol or Anavar (Oxandrin) but don't bother with it because it's like 10 times as expensive. But some have understandably curious about the mythical US Anadrol, I think there was some type of serial number following the name also. No one has said they are any better than the "other" stuff, but sure, if you're wealthy you might want to flash your brand name Anadrol to your poor friends, "take a look at this, 10 times as potent!" Lol.
"The cost for Anadrol-50 oral tablet 50 mg is around $4,443 for a supply of 100 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit."
"The cost for oxandrolone oral tablet 2.5 mg is around $480 for a supply of 100 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit. "
4.5K for a 100 Anadrol? Can that quote even be correct? Lol. Anavar on the black market is like maybe $100? And it comes in 10mg tabs, 4 times more, sometimes even 50mg tabs so do the math.
You can also get generic Anadrol from HRT clinics in the US, from compounding pharmacies. But would you trust it, when it likely comes from you know where...
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Those were common cycles in the gyms back in the day, and guys would mutate by the end of the cycle.
Only online people say that injectables are a must. Maybe for competitive bodybuilders, but for gym bros, absolutely not.
Yeah there's nothing that says you have to do injectables. Dianabol is probably the most logical choice for an oral only cycle.
If you want to max out your AAS for the biggest response you can't do it with just orals because the orals would be too toxic, so you logically go with testosterone. You don't necessarily even need anyything else apart from test like in the off season, just test, gh and insulin. Like my friend does 2500mg-3000mg of just test. Physiological, "bioidentical" nontoxic. Maybe he throws in a ml of Deca a week "for the joints."
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No need for orals unless you’re competing, and then only for a short period of time.
Much better if you hate needles.
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Real issues for Orals besides liver toxicity, is that they usually reduce your HDL to 0, I and others believe it is this type of environment promotes premature hardening of the arteries and why so many guys die young, its one of the main reasons with my injectable TRT I never high dose and always check my bloodwork every three months, my HDL starts dropping above TRT dosages. Just a theory, but guys like Mattarazzo loved anapolan and high dose test or androgens, appreciate he might have had a genetic disposition to heart disease but no doubt his use brought his issues forward. Just an opinion nothing more
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Those were common cycles in the gyms back in the day, and guys would mutate by the end of the cycle.
Only online people say that injectables are a must. Maybe for competitive bodybuilders, but for gym bros, absolutely not.
"they" say you need test "as a base" in order to make the cycle more "healthy"
without a test base you will crash your estrogen and be less "healthy"
like all this is done for one's health :D
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One thing I learnt recently, pretty sure it was from Patrick Arnold and he said never take oral steroids with any NSAIDs as it can really fuck you up causes internal bleeding and few other problems that could put you in hospital etc. Has anyone ever done no test cycles? As surely the drugs you run are replacing the test so it doesnt matter aslong as you have a bit of androgens with the anabolics no?
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One thing I learnt recently, pretty sure it was from Patrick Arnold and he said never take oral steroids with any NSAIDs as it can really fuck you up causes internal bleeding and few other problems that could put you in hospital etc. Has anyone ever done no test cycles? As surely the drugs you run are replacing the test so it doesnt matter aslong as you have a bit of androgens with the anabolics no?
according to more plates more dates you need an estrogen base within your cycle and this base can come from test or dbol
others say the estrogen from dbol isn't bio-idenitcal estrogen so it's not good enough, and you can only get the correct estrogen from test
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according to more plates more dates you need an estrogen base within your cycle and this base can come from test or dbol
others say the estrogen from dbol isn't bio-idenitcal estrogen so it's not good enough, and you can only get the correct estrogen from test
Doesnt dbol produce "super estrogen though? Methlyestridol or whatever? Surely that would be good enough.
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Doesnt dbol produce "super estrogen though? Methlyestridol or whatever? Surely that would be good enough.
that's what they did in the 70s stacking dbol with primo or deca
these "experts" say your estro should be in the optimum range which i think is somewhere btw 40-80 but don't quote me on that
dr. todd lee likes to keep his estro at 80 as he said it gives the best igf production from his gh
these guys have this shit down to a science these days with getting all their bloods "pulled" on the regular and measuring precisely how many macros of everything is in every single serving of food they eat ::)
funny thing is guys in the 70s and 80s looked much better than these guys do even though they all weigh 250+ nowadays :D
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that's what they did in the 70s stacking dbol with primo or deca
these "experts" say your estro should be in the optimum range which i think is somewhere btw 40-80 but don't quote me on that
dr. todd lee likes to keep his estro at 80 as he said it gives the best igf production from his gh
these guys have this shit down to a science these days with getting all their bloods "pulled" on the regular and measuring precisely how many macros of everything is in every single serving of food they eat ::)
funny thing is guys in the 70s and 80s looked much better than these guys do even though they all weigh 250+ nowadays :D
Yeah its all about weight now. You arent big unless youre 280+ at 5 foot . The only change from then to 90s onwards was the addition of tren hgh and slin right and chasing the scale numbers. They all need cpap machines to breathe at night aswell, which to me is the point where its too much mass, youre basically disabled.
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I did 25mg anadrol preworkout only for years on a 4 day split..never had a negative effect on bloodwork. Helped, but now that I’m older and less stupid I would never do it again.
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I did 25mg anadrol preworkout only for years on a 4 day split..never had a negative effect on bloodwork. Helped, but now that I’m older and less stupid I would never do it again.
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Best preworkout ive ever done is injectable tren base with halo, holy moly but id kill someone if I did that now .
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Best preworkout ive ever done is injectable tren base with halo, holy moly but id kill someone if I did that now .
I used to do 1/4ml tren suspension, 1/2ml test suspension and 1ml of injectable L-carnitine preworkout..in my head they were always great workouts..in hindsight I missed a lot of lifts because I was too amped up.
Just do test, HCG, metformin, and injectable L-carnitine now
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Do you really think the metformin, and injectable L-carnitine works? Or is that more bro science?
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Do you really think the metformin, and injectable L-carnitine works? Or is that more bro science?
I have an extreme noticeable endurance gain with L-carnitine, and my free test is substantially higher when I use it.
The metformin I take for health reasons above all else. The anti cancer benefits are too hard to ignore for how cheap it is.
Same with cialis..I take 5mg a day and never had ED problems..but a 40%-60% decrease in all cardiac events is hard to ignore for such a cheap drug.
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What is the deal about Oral AAS and affecting HDL / cholesterol?
I've read it several times
Are orals worse than injects for artery hardening, arteriosclerosis?
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Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.
Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth
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I have an extreme noticeable endurance gain with L-carnitine, and my free test is substantially higher when I use it.
The metformin I take for health reasons above all else. The anti cancer benefits are too hard to ignore for how cheap it is.
Same with cialis..I take 5mg a day and never had ED problems..but a 40%-60% decrease in all cardiac events is hard to ignore for such a cheap drug.
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You noticed much performance wise from Cialis?
That's interesting.
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Metformin wrecks most people’s guts.
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Metformin wrecks most people’s guts.
Berberine works just as well
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You noticed much performance wise from Cialis?
That's interesting.
It’s the best preworkout
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Berberine works just as well
Because they are either taking too much, or taking it at the wrong time.
Simply take 500mg before bed and it works for 24 hours..you take it in the morning with stimulants and of course things can happen..
And berberin works great..for like 3 months at a time..then you go right back to being insulin resistant and it doesn’t have the same anti cancer benefits
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Because they are either taking too much, or taking it at the wrong time.
Simply take 500mg before bed and it works for 24 hours..you take it in the morning with stimulants and of course things can happen..
And berberin works great..for like 3 months at a time..then you go right back to being insulin resistant and it doesn’t have the same anti cancer benefits
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What about the lawsuits of metformin causing type 2 to become type 1 ? Its still on going...then they suddenly release "studies" showing it extends life.in rats and start pushing as antiaging drug...I wouldnt touch metformin , just use insulin.
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Amd before you say metformin doesnt cause type 2 to become type 1 , of the two people I know who were type 2 on metformin both became type1 and are on insulin now.
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Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.
Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth
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mast and primo yes
tren not so much :D
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4.5K for a 100 Anadrol? Can that quote even be correct? Lol.
I see you are unfamiliar w American for-profit healthcare ;D
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Orals are worse than anything..you rarely feel like shit on injectables..you usually feel like shit on orals.
Kinda like poison with a side effect of muscle growth
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Agree 100%.
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What about the lawsuits of metformin causing type 2 to become type 1 ? Its still on going...then they suddenly release "studies" showing it extends life.in rats and start pushing as antiaging drug...I wouldnt touch metformin , just use insulin.
Well, your using know diabetics as a reference to what your saying..I don’t know of a single diabetic who actually manages their condition..there’s a lot more to it than that.
Nothing wrong with using insulin either..I just don’t anymore
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mast and primo yes
tren not so much :D
I always tell people to not use tren..but I love that shit..I don’t really have side effects on it..except the constant boners and night sweats
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Well, your using know diabetics as a reference to what your saying..I don’t know of a single diabetic who actually manages their condition..there’s a lot more to it than that.
Nothing wrong with using insulin either..I just don’t anymore
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Well yeah the meds are actually designed to "help" them and were made for them. Both the people I know werent even overweight or retarded with food. Worked out etc. And in the lawsuit its thousands of people this drug has turned from type 2 to type 1 which for big pharma is obviously a major plus as insulin is more expensive than metformin and now these people need a hormone for the rest of their lives.
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Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.
Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.
I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two :D
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Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.
Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management even with the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two :D
Please dont enter any drug tested events ;D
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I always tell people to not use tren..but I love that shit..I don’t really have side effects on it..except the constant boners and night sweats
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lucky you
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Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.
Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.
I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two :D
i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral
i drank another half bottle of rum and like 4 beers and 2 jacks last weekend
not too wise on drol :D :D :D
but i don't think orals damage one as much as "they" say
but once again it all comes down to health genes
some just have better genes than others
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Please dont enter any drug tested events ;D
There was some MMA pro who tested positive for Turinabol, then after he came back after like a year, he tested positive again. I think they let the second test slide as it was possibble the earlier use was still in his system in sufficient quantities to test positive. I don't know if that actually was the case, or just that the tests are SO sensitive nowadays. But it's still true that levels drop to "effectively zero" from a drug efficiency standpoint, or else you wouldn't take them every day or even 2-3 times a day.
See this ad on the effective dosing interval compared to methyltest
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There was some MMA pro who tested positive for Turinabol, then after he came back after like a year, he tested positive again. I think they let the second test slide as it was possibble the earlier use was still in his system in sufficient quantities to test positive. I don't know if that actually was the case, or just that the tests are SO sensitive nowadays. But it's still true that levels drop to "effectively zero" from a drug efficiency standpoint, or else you wouldn't take them every day or even 2-3 times a day.
See this ad on the effective dosing interval compared to methyltest
Drug tests are very rarely set at zero, there are cut off points
Rec drug tests still allow a small amount of opiate because eating poppy seeds can produce a positive test for opioids
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i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral
Yes I've noticed that too. If someone hasn't had bad heartburn, it can be totally debilitating. I took one 10mg dbol the other day and was miserable for more than 24 hours. Too bad cause I love dbol. Like I said, it's probably the ideal oral to run solo, you get some estrogen, it's very anabolic, great for mood for many, sunshine in a bottle lol, and it doesn't lower you sex drive like some lower androgenic like Anavar. I did a LOT of dbol only cycles when starting out. When you stop it's like you piss away all the gains in 2 weeks lol. But everything is temporary when you do any steroids.
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i get worse heartburn from tren than i do any oral
spit rather than swallow...see how you go
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Personally I feel great on orals, even very high dosages, EXCEPT for the massive heartburn that ruins everything. Injectable, if doing high dose, just make me feel bogged down and overloaded or "toxic" over time. My theory on that is that they build up in the system, whereas with orals, overnight you are at "zero" again lol.
Orals affect HDL very negatively as was said here, it has something to do with the liver. They can be done, by some, without totally tanking HDL, dependscon dose, compound etc. However, injectables can also reduce HDL drastically. And as dj said, some of it has to do with estrogen, so now many bodybuilders do little, some even no, aromatase inhibitors and are worried all their years on AIs may have done damage.
Regarding metformin turning Type 2 to Type 1, never read about that at all, but would like to if someone linked me. One possible mechanism that immediately pops into mind if the patients had very poor glucose management DESPITE the MET, that would mean they destroyed their remaining working beta cells in their pancreas. In that case it would not be the MET that is to blame. This is why some practitioners have advocated to put a bad case of Type 2 immediately on insulin to get immediate control of the glucose. If then the patient loses a lot of weight, exercises and so on, he may be able to get off the insulin. High glucose is why bodybuilders on high GH get on metformin, but some find it's not enough and add for example Lantus at night so their nighttime and morning glucose stays in range. Now taking insulin can further hurt insulin sensitivity but it's way preferable than the alternative where you actually start damaging tissues, and the pancreas itself. SO, the insulin is actually protective. If and when you stop the GH you stop the insulin as well. That said, some bodybuiilders can use A LOT of insulin without getting resistant. High doses of basal insulin are bad for sensitivity over time e.g. Lantus, I'm talking of say 100iu plus every day, many do just 10-20iu to assist the pancreas.
One can do both MET and some insulin if he is very careful.
I don't like that my replies get so long, but I can't fit a full explanation into a sentence or two :D
Bit odd as it seems to have been scrubbed from the net and replaced with newer lawsuits for kidney damage/ causing ckd and csusing cancer due to contaminated batches as the lawsuits im talking about were happening good 5 years ago atleast.
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spit rather than swallow...see how you go
Oh my...
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Drug tests are very rarely set at zero, there are cut off points
Rec drug tests still allow a small amount of opiate because eating poppy seeds can produce a positive test for opioids
I'm sure you're right, although some substances are never supposed to be in the system ever lol. Nandrolone is supposed to be the worst from a drug testing pov, we've all seen the 18 month detection time. Even here some were able to show nandrolone was actually naturally produced in the body, albeit in a miniscule amount.
I maintain one can't do, pretty much, any amount of anabolics if tested rigorously nowaday. It's not true that athletes can dope freely "if they are not stupid." The only real way is microdosing test but if they want to they can still see if the test is natural vs synthetic. The other way is doing designer steroids, but even here you then run into problems explaining your low lutenizing hormone and testosterone. That's why Patrick Arnold did that hydrogestrinone WITH a test/epitest cream to make it look like everything was normal. The other ways to evade positives are messing with the urine/blood sample, or somehow making the sample disappear. Russian secret service actually switched out samples from a testing lab, that's how good the tests are.
Edit: saw the spit rather than swallow from joswift lol, the Russians actually experimented with a method where you put steroids into Vodka and then swished it around in your mouth and then spit out. But you know, how effective is that going to be, and how much would it cut down your testing window?
https://theweek.com/speedreads/624054/russian-olympic-athletes-reportedly-mix-steroids-alcohol
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/the-kremlin-wants-me-dead-russias-sports-doping-whistleblower-speaks-out
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Yes I've noticed that too. If someone hasn't had bad heartburn, it can be totally debilitating. I took one 10mg dbol the other day and was miserable for more than 24 hours. Too bad cause I love dbol. Like I said, it's probably the ideal oral to run solo, you get some estrogen, it's very anabolic, great for mood for many, sunshine in a bottle lol, and it doesn't lower you sex drive like some lower androgenic like Anavar. I did a LOT of dbol only cycles when starting out. When you stop it's like you piss away all the gains in 2 weeks lol. But everything is temporary when you do any steroids.
according to doc blakely dbol is the best arm building steriod there is
MPMD did this vid on deca and test study and...
100 mgs test caused ZERO MUSCLE GROWTH
and 100 mgs deca caused almost as much muscle growth as 300 mgs
very interesting
also 300 mgs test caused the greatest str increase and deca put muscle on delts and pecs while test only put muscle on delts
maybe thats why whose guys had bigger pecs and arms compared to other muscles back in the day? as they ran mostly deca and dbol
is doc blakely right ???
and estro got wiped da fuck out on deca only
again... very interesting
and check yo pms :D
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I'm sure you're right, although some substances are never supposed to be in the system ever lol. Nandrolone is supposed to be the worst from a drug testing pov, we've all seen the 18 month detection time. Even here some were able to show nandrolone was actually naturally produced in the body, albeit in a miniscule amount.
I maintain one can't do, pretty much, any amount of anabolics if tested rigorously nowaday. It's not true that athletes can dope freely "if they are not stupid." The only real way is microdosing test but if they want to they can still see if the test is natural vs synthetic. The other way is doing designer steroids, but even here you then run into problems explaining your low lutenizing hormone and testosterone. That's why Patrick Arnold did that hydrogestrinone WITH a test/epitest cream to make it look like everything was normal. The other ways to evade positives are messing with the urine/blood sample, or somehow making the sample disappear. Russian secret service actually switched out samples from a testing lab, that's how good the tests are.
Wasnt Patrick making custom drugs that werent tested for or that they even knew existed.. he said the high test is countered by injecting epitest along side your test if just using test. Patrick should be in a lab making crazy stuff but pretty sure he said hes basically blacklisted due to balco etc. If I was chinese Id get him over there give him a lab and let him do anything he wants as hes an actual genius when it comes to synthetic bio chemistry.
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according to doc blakely dbol is the best arm building steriod there is
MPMD did this vid on deca and test study and...
100 mgs test caused ZERO MUSCLE GROWTH
and 100 mgs deca caused almost as much muscle growth as 300 mgs
very interesting
also 300 mgs test caused the greatest str increase and deca put muscle on delts and pecs while test only put muscle on delts
maybe thats why whose guys had bigger pecs and arms compared to other muscles back in the day? as they ran mostly deca and dbol
is doc blakely right ???
and estro got wiped da fuck out on deca only
again... very interesting
and check yo pms :D
I don't know but I have a hunch the differences wash away as you escalate the doses. Some claim testosterone is just bit "stronger" than Deca, some think they are pretty much equal. Some speculate 19-nors like nandrolones synergizes well with GH and so on. Then some like Victor Black claim ALL steroids accrue the same amount of protein so choose the safest one as an addition to your preferred test dose. I know you watch that "Big Paul" fella and he thinks Primo or Mast are ideal with test and you don't actually need anything else. I never did Primo, and never did much Mast so I don't know from personal experience, but Vic sure changed how fellas design cycles nowadays, it's unfortunate the guy is a MASSIVE jackass, absolutely the worst lol.
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according to doc blakely dbol is the best arm building steriod there is
MPMD did this vid on deca and test study and...
100 mgs test caused ZERO MUSCLE GROWTH
and 100 mgs deca caused almost as much muscle growth as 300 mgs
very interesting
also 300 mgs test caused the greatest str increase and deca put muscle on delts and pecs while test only put muscle on delts
maybe thats why whose guys had bigger pecs and arms compared to other muscles back in the day? as they ran mostly deca and dbol
is doc blakely right ???
and estro got wiped da fuck out on deca only
again... very interesting
and check yo pms :D
Surely guys have bigger arms nowadays vs 70s 80s guys, roelly and phil had insane arms. What 70s 80s guy is even close to roelly or phil heath?
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Wasnt Patrick making custom drugs that werent tested for or that they even knew existed.. he said the high test is countered by injecting epitest along side your test if just using test. Patrick should be in a lab making crazy stuff but pretty sure he said hes basically blacklisted due to balco etc. If I was chinese Id get him over there give him a lab and let him do anything he wants as hes an actual genius when it comes to synthetic bio chemistry.
Yes exactly. The hydrogestrinone was the secret designer steroid. The test/epitest was there to normalise the test levels as well as the test:epitest ratio. More than a 6:1 ratio is grounds for banning as they are usually in a 1:1 ration. The ONLY reason they were busted at that time is that some other coach found a used syringe in a trash bag and sent it to WADA lol.
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Certain drugs make your arms bigger better than others??? Huh??? ??? ???
Drugs are systemic. I cant see that being the case as most studies out there are bullshit as well...
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Surely guys have bigger arms nowadays vs 70s 80s guys, roelly and phil had insane arms. What 70s 80s guy is even close to roelly or phil heath?
Though some of the size increase is due to the ubiquitous Synthol and site injects, as you know :D So count out an inch or two. But sure, they are overall so much bigger today, the biggest contributors are the GH and insulin, 30 years old by now, since then basically NOTHING has happened as far as max development. We are waiting on new and better drugs lol.
Certain drugs make your arms bigger better than others??? Huh??? ??? ???
Drugs are systemic. I cant see that being the case as most studies out there are bullshit as well...
Sure, you're right. Though androgens in general tend to affect muscle with high androgen receptor density more, e.g. traps and delts. Like I've said, there NO huge traps on naturals. Sometimes you do see huge thighs on naturals. Not that I'm saying anything you don't know :)
As far as different androgens targeting different muscles, yeah I'm skeptical as well.
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Yes exactly. The hydrogestrinone was the secret designer steroid. The test/epitest was there to normalise the test levels as well as the test:epitest ratio. More than a 6:1 ratio is grounds for banning as they are usually in a 1:1 ration. The ONLY reason they were busted at that time is that some other coach found a used syringe in a trash bag and sent it to WADA lol.
Patrick said one of the coaches he supplied he fell out with of which he then gave wada a sample of the drug and said this is what everyones using, that ws the first clear and there were two or three more versions after that. Of all the people on earth hes one of the only people Id love to meet and pick his brain, and also beg to try and invent some new cool drugs.
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Patrick said one of the coaches he supplied he fell out with of which he then gave wada a sample of the drug and said this is what everyones using, that ws the first clear and there were two or three more versions after that. Of all the people on earth hes one of the only people Id love to meet and pick his brain, and also beg to try and invent some new cool drugs.
I'd love to pick his brain as well, not that he would ever tell all. I'm absolutely positive he's developed stuff we don't know about, for which he was never busted. They say he's obviously on a bunch rec drugs all the time, based on his strange FB posts. He brought out the phenibut that's so wonderful/hellish. The DMAA as well.
And there are no doubt tons of other renegade chemists in the world, probably most often developing "legal" (for a while) narcotics. Different opiates, amphetamine and Ritalin and Khat (cathinone), benzo derivatives etc.
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I don't know but I have a hunch the differences wash away as you escalate the doses. Some claim testosterone is just bit "stronger" than Deca, some think they are pretty much equal. Some speculate 19-nors like nandrolones synergizes well with GH and so on. Then some like Victor Black claim ALL steroids accrue the same amount of protein so choose the safest one as an addition to your preferred test dose. I know you watch that "Big Paul" fella and he thinks Primo or Mast are ideal with test and you don't actually need anything else. I never did Primo, and never did much Mast so I don't know from personal experience, but Vic sure changed how fellas design cycles nowadays, it's unfortunate the guy is a MASSIVE jackass, absolutely the worst lol.
vic black is a dick no doubt
the guys in thinkbig answered a q of my on thier program where i claimed mast sucks ass and i get flat on it and dave crossland brought up the point that maybe mast dives my estro which in turn fucks everything up, i think he's got a strong point with this
i'm a naturally dry guy most likely due to naturally low estro levels
i never had any hint of gyno EVER even while running a gram plus of deca
fatties gain muscle much faster and easier than us dry low estro guys but they also have much more gyno and have a very hard time getting ripped and dry
for me it is a piece of fucking cake
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Certain drugs make your arms bigger better than others??? Huh??? ??? ???
Drugs are systemic. I cant see that being the case as most studies out there are bullshit as well...
test and tren ie. high androgens, caused my greatest delt growth
androgens like test and tren cause better delt growth, hence why guys from the 90s and onwards got more massive delts
in the 70s and 80s thier arms were the same size as thier delts or even bigger than thier delts
nowadays thier delts are like 1.5 times the size of thier goddamn puny arms :D :D :D
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I'd love to pick his brain as well, not that he would ever tell all. I'm absolutely positive he's developed stuff we don't know about, for which he was never busted. They say he's obviously on a bunch rec drugs all the time, based on his strange FB posts. He brought out the phenibut that's so wonderful/hellish. The DMAA as well.
And there are no doubt tons of other renegade chemists in the world, probably most often developing "legal" (for a while) narcotics. Different opiates, amphetamine and Ritalin and Khat (cathinone), benzo derivatives etc.
if you connect with him have him give me a shout :D ;D
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I'd love to pick his brain as well, not that he would ever tell all. I'm absolutely positive he's developed stuff we don't know about, for which he was never busted. They say he's obviously on a bunch rec drugs all the time, based on his strange FB posts. He brought out the phenibut that's so wonderful/hellish. The DMAA as well.
And there are no doubt tons of other renegade chemists in the world, probably most often developing "legal" (for a while) narcotics. Different opiates, amphetamine and Ritalin and Khat (cathinone), benzo derivatives etc.
Well yeah hes been blacklisted and isnt even allowed a lab, He cant really do shit in america. As buying the raw base chemicals to synthesis hormones and drugs is going to be a problem for him . He needs to leave and set up a lab/ be given a lab in another country and just go mental. 100% theres insane renegade chemists around the world. If I wasnt mentally ill I would have *finished studying biochemistry but im not allowed to get the license to buy chemicals until 10years being off anti pyschotics etc as im a liabilty.
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But I might fuck off to china and just do it there as the UK is a dead country, will be offically totally bankrupt in few years as 30% of councils are bankrupt now, with the same being given two years to get out of debt but they wont. Also all the muslims and blacks browns in the UK have lowered the iq here to the point of no return, the damage is irreversable.
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As the UK is like america, pro criminal, gives more rights to scumbags than decent people, worship blacks despite never producing anything noteworthy in the whole of history, promotes gay and trans ideology to kids,but also is scared of islam. The UK has no future and will have what happened with the creation of pakistan from india eg muslims will want there own part of the country once they have enough numbers which will maybe be 10 20years if there immigration rates continue along with the local birthrates.
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But back on subject anadrol is a cool drug. Im on high primo mid mast mid test now with little bit of anadrol 2iu genos and its really nice cycle. After tren mast deca and anadrol anavar it feels alot "healthier" lmao
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vic black is a dick no doubt
the guys in thinkbig answered a q of my on thier program where i claimed mast sucks ass and i get flat on it and dave crossland brought up the point that maybe mast dives my estro which in turn fucks everything up, i think he's got a strong point with this
i'm a naturally dry guy most likely due to naturally low estro levels
i never had any hint of gyno EVER even while running a gram plus of deca
fatties gain muscle much faster and easier than us dry low estro guys but they also have much more gyno and have a very hard time getting ripped and dry
for me it is a piece of fucking cake
If Victor didnt have such a huge ego and claim to be the font of all knowledge of peds his message is actually good eg safer steroid use but god damn the guy is all most unbearable with his ITS ALL MY IDEASSSS I INVENTED TELESMARTAN USE IN BODYBUILDING I INVENTED LOW TEST WITH HIGH ANABOLICS I INVENTED BLAH BLAH ::)
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Well yeah hes been blacklisted and isnt even allowed a lab, He cant really do shit in america.
I don't know if he can't have a lab as he still does supplements, though I think he works in someone elses lab? Not many can have their "own" lab as top equipment costs many, many millions of dollars. But for sure he has eyes on him so has to be careful. And he can for sure have someone else do his syntheses and I'm positive he does contract work for supp companies.If Victor didnt have such a huge ego and claim to be the font of all knowledge of peds his message is actually good eg safer steroid use but god damn the guy is all most unbearable with his ITS ALL MY IDEASSSS I INVENTED TELESMARTAN USE IN BODYBUILDING I INVENTED LOW TEST WITH HIGH ANABOLICS I INVENTED BLAH BLAH ::)
Absolutely, he is such an ass of unbelievable proportions. He's worked with a ton of top industry folk but it 100% always turns sour. Now his IG was shut down for drug talk, he says he has a 10 billion dollar business idea, how to connect "bodybuilders" to top high quality drug sources, even says he can get US bodybuilders all the drugs with a legit Rx. Says he has such a strong reputation people will trust him if he recommends something. Maybe.
Regarding the UK, it seems like it's a dream country wrt PEDs, sourcing steroid raws is easy, Jordan Peters says fake drugs are much less of an issue than in the US, for example the Primo is always real etc. But this is all just what I've read.
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I don't know if he can't have a lab as he still does supplements, thouugh I think he works in someone elses lab? But for sure he has eyes on him so has to be careful. And he can for sure have someone else do his syntheses and I'm positive he does contract work for supp companies.
Absolutely, he is such an ass of unbelievable proportions. He's worked with a ton of top industry folk but it 100% always turns sour. Now his IG was shut down for drug talk, he says he has a 10 billion dollar business idea, how to connect "bodybuilders" to top high quality drug sources, even says he can get US bodybuilders all the drugs with a legit Rx. Says he has such a strong reputation people will trust him if he recommends something. Maybe.
He most likely does on the dl but offically he said trying to invent new supps or bring them to market if they actually work is near impossible as they dont want you using stuff that works lol his words not mine!! And from the way he was treated by the gov eg made to admit an offence he didnt even do or theyd throw on other charges he is alittle bitter from the whole balco situation/ designer pro hormones dmaa bans etc.
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I don't know if he can't have a lab as he still does supplements, though I think he works in someone elses lab? Not many can have their "own" lab as top equipment costs many, many millions of dollars. But for sure he has eyes on him so has to be careful. And he can for sure have someone else do his syntheses and I'm positive he does contract work for supp companies.
Absolutely, he is such an ass of unbelievable proportions. He's worked with a ton of top industry folk but it 100% always turns sour. Now his IG was shut down for drug talk, he says he has a 10 billion dollar business idea, how to connect "bodybuilders" to top high quality drug sources, even says he can get US bodybuilders all the drugs with a legit Rx. Says he has such a strong reputation people will trust him if he recommends something. Maybe.
Regarding the UK, it seems like it's a dream country wrt PEDs, sourcing steroid raws is easy, Jordan Peters says fake drugs are much less of an issue than in the US, for example the Primo is always real etc. But this is all just what I've read.
The lax steroid rules here are the only positive lmao. Pretty good ugl drugs,easy to get pharma test and hgh, I only use bayer and aspen test and genos for example. you can easily get legit scripts for serms and ai's on nhs for mega cheap vs buying pharma on blackmarket. But every single other part of it is in the gutter.
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I see you are unfamiliar w American for-profit healthcare ;D
Yeah I know but that Anadrol price threw me for a loop lol, 500 ok, but 4500? Lol, but I believe it. Maybe oldtimer1 has the resources and can sample it , then compare to a 150 dollar UG one? Fat chance lol. It's the same here with the drug prices, for example one eye drop medication was 1K for a weeks supply, costs almost zero to produce, but since they are the only manufacturer they can charge whatever. There was that one famous case in the US where one person bought the rights to a drug and then
The man was Martin Shkreli, the former CEO of Turing Pharmaceuticals, who was called before Cummings' committee in February 2016. After hiking the price of an old drug for parasitic infections to $750 a pill from $13.50, Shkreli became the poster boy for pharmaceutical greed that helped define the past decade
Lol
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What was bidens reasoning for making steroids illegal in the us? Was it sports related eg to "stop cheating" or because of a few high profile killing sprees or something?
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What was bidens reasoning for making steroids illegal in the us? Was it sports related eg to "stop cheating" or because of a few high profile killing sprees or something?
he wasnt selling any...
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What was bidens reasoning for making steroids illegal in the us? Was it sports related eg to "stop cheating" or because of a few high profile killing sprees or something?
It was in 1990 or so. I think Ben Johnson had something to do with it actually. As I recall doctors, practitioners, were actually against the reclassification. It had nothing to do with health per se, I don't think, it WAS sports orgs who pushed for it.
Even today that fucking WADA is pushing for even stricter laws, as if that would stop cheating. WADA should mind their own business, not interfere with society at large. China is their biggest headache, though oldtimer1 will say all their drugs are fake anyway.
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The only real way is microdosing test but if they want to they can still see if the test is natural vs synthetic. T
Not sure that is correct. I believe you can get bioidentical test, GH and insulin. And so the issue then is simply the levels being outside norms. And so you can take bioidentical supplements, just in a daily or numerous times daily amounts, but always below the upper max threshold permitted and then even if they come right after a microdose taken, if done right you are still under. This is how the Chinese are doing it.
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It was in 1990 or so. I think Ben Johnson had something to do with it actually. As I recall doctors, practitioners, were actually against the reclassification. It had nothing to do with health per se, I don't think, it WAS sports orgs who pushed for it.
Even today that fucking WADA is pushing for even stricter laws, as if that would stop cheating. WADA should mind their own business, not interfere with society at large. China is their biggest headache, though oldtimer1 will say all their drugs are fake anyway.
I think Biden had a bigger role in banning andro and the designer stuff in the early 2000’s because of the steroids in baseball thing..I remember the news clips of him saying he was “angry” because guys used steroids and he could’ve went pro if it weren’t for that.
Bench
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Not sure that is correct. I believe you can get bioidentical test, GH and insulin. And so the issue then is simply the levels being outside norms. And so you can take bioidentical supplements, just in a daily or numerous times daily amounts, but always below the upper max threshold permitted and then even if they come right after a microdose taken, if done right you are still under. This is how the Chinese are doing it.
I thought isotope testing nailed micro dosing.
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I thought isotope testing nailed micro dosing.
Yes, but I think not if the substance is bio-identical.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/scientific-research/novel-approach-detect-and-identify-low-abundant-long-term-metabolites
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Yes, but I think not if the substance is bio-identical.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/scientific-research/novel-approach-detect-and-identify-low-abundant-long-term-metabolites
I didn't read or research but "regular" synthetic testosterone you get at the pharmacy is called "bioidentical." And that is detected by isotope testing. I don't know if you can synthetically make test with the correct isotope, or if you'd have to extract it from human urine or whatever, but I have never seen mention of truly bioidentical test being made or sold anywhere. Patrick Arnold didn't have it. But if I were to guess it's probably possible to manufacture or extract somehow... someone should look it up, I'm too lazy right now. But even then doping would be plenty hard I think as they would see levels are abnormally high and lutenizing hormone is suppressed and so on. That's why they have the "biological passports," where they monitor fluctuations and not just outright abnormal numbers. Like high test after races when they should normally drop, or coming in to comps always with topped out red blood cells. There are for sure real doping evading experts out there but they are not writing on the net, for the most part.
Like I said earlier, I think a lot of doping today is done with substances not currently banned. Like that Alex Kikel fella says Melanotan II is not banned but improves hematology. I don't know if true but that's what he claims. WADA is monitoring a bunch of drugs not on the lists, when they see everyone have a certain legal drug in their system they take notice.
GH seems easy to detects. Normally your body secretes several forms of GH, not just the 20 or 22kda isoform or whatever you can supplement exogenously. Maybe cadaver derived would get around this, I don't know. Alex Kikel says China does manufacture these other forms though, some of which are not on the banned lists.
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It’s the best preworkout
Bench
It seems to me that daily cialis is probably the best natty supplement. Closest thing to steroids and way more effective than creatine etc.
Going to give it a try.
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It seems to me that daily cialis is probably the best natty supplement. Closest thing to steroids and way more effective than creatine etc.
Going to give it a try.
Though there's little natty about it. A few years back WADA did some snooping and most all had Viagra in their systems. But they can't ban it for political reasons, "hey you have to have sloppy dicks to compete." Wouldn't go over well. Viagra has been shown to increase protein synthesis too, you can bet everyone is on these drugs in athletics.
Personally I don't get the pumps really even taking 40 or 60mg (max dose is 20mg).
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Though there's little natty about it. A few years back WADA did some snooping and most all had Viagra in their systems. But they can't ban it for political reasons, "hey you have to have sloppy dicks to compete." Wouldn't go over well. Viagra has been shown to increase protein synthesis too, you can bet everyone is on these drugs in athletics.
Personally I don't get the pumps really even taking 40 or 60mg (max dose is 20mg).
I'll update after a month of 5 mg 2 days on 1 day off. I am feeling the pumps on the first day though tbh.
I've held onto a fair bit of muscle clean and have too much going on in life to take steroids anymore (might jump onto some trt when I get into the 40s, but right now I feel great so no point). But I take the odd 100 mg viagra for special occasions so a little dose of cialis is light work for some (hopefully) performance enhancement.
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My pumps are fucking insane on 5mg of cialis eod. Definitely growing as well. I feel I’ve gotten more from the cialis than the trt.
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Can you buy Cialis is without a script?
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It seems to me that daily cialis is probably the best natty supplement. Closest thing to steroids and way more effective than creatine etc.
Going to give it a try.
Wouldn't you get a boner working out?
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Wouldn't you get a boner working out?
Very unlikely. Unless you find the blokes at the gym sexy. EVERYONE takes Cialis before stage in bb.
Viagra/Cialis
Melanotan 2
Halotestin or Proviron or Tren
A gabapentinoid or GHB with amphetamine
Look out!
4-6 hour sex until your dick bleeds
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Can you buy Cialis is without a script?
Just go online and fill out a questionnaire and they will send it to you. Try Rocket RX.
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Wouldn't you get a boner working out?
No, still have to be sexual to get a boner. But the pumps are insane. And they say takeing cialis is comparable to taking 100-200mgs of test a week as far as protein synthesis. I’ve gotten better results off cialis than trt or it’s the combo of both. Vascularity is great as well. Also when it’s time for sex I’m hard as a rock and a little bigger.
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No, still have to be sexual to get a boner. But the pumps are insane. And they say takeing cialis is comparable to taking 100-200mgs of test a week as far as protein synthesis. I’ve gotten better results off cialis than trt or it’s the combo of both. Vascularity is great as well. Also when it’s time for sex I’m hard as a rock and a little bigger.
100 mgs test does jack shit fuck all
they did a study on 100 and 300 test and 100 and 300 deca, all built muscle cept the 100 test
intrerstingly enough the 100 deca built almost as much muscle as 300 deca and 300 test and only the 300 test caused a strenght increase
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100 mgs test does jack shit fuck all
they did a study on 100 and 300 test and 100 and 300 deca, all built muscle cept the 100 test
intrerstingly enough the 100 deca built almost as much muscle as 300 deca and 300 test and only the 300 test caused a strenght increase
I have to say 100mgs of test a week subq did a lot for me but 5mgs cialis eod with trt is amazing. But everyone is different. My buddy gets nothing from 250 test weekly.
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100 mgs test does jack shit fuck all
they did a study on 100 and 300 test and 100 and 300 deca, all built muscle cept the 100 test
intrerstingly enough the 100 deca built almost as much muscle as 300 deca and 300 test and only the 300 test caused a strenght increase
A study on who exactly? Nearly all studies are total fucking garbage for monsters like getbiggers .
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Been doing the Low dose androl and it is shit vs 50mg 100mg 200mg 300mg. 25mg anadrol with 20mg of dbol is slightly better but had to add another drug on top where I could have jsut done 50-100mg of anadrol . Low dosers all look like aids fgs like dj and are small like their doses. Just dont be a bitch and push the doses like EVERY SINGLE monster or dont even bother. If youre afraid of dying or damage go knit or something.
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Been doing the Low dose androl and it is shit vs 50mg 100mg 200mg 300mg. 25mg anadrol with 20mg of dbol is slightly better but had to add another drug on top where I could have jsut done 50-100mg of anadrol . Low dosers all look like aids fgs like dj and are small like their doses. Just dont be a bitch and push the doses like EVERY SINGLE monster or dont even bother. If youre afraid of dying or damage go knit or something.
Winny and dbol is better. Like 30 mg of each, ideally with 250 mg+ of test.
I never liked Anadrol tbh, and 25 mg was barely noticeable.
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My pumps are fucking insane on 5mg of cialis eod. Definitely growing as well. I feel I’ve gotten more from the cialis than the trt.
i tried this today and it actually works , makes you "look" fuller even when you are dieting, i always wondered why dealers always give me a ton of free cialis , never realized this was a "thing"
robcguns = bodybuilding guru
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Getbig City needs Matman
this
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cannonball delts all up in your bitch face
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i tried this today and it actually works , makes you "look" fuller even when you are dieting, i always wondered why dealers always give me a ton of free cialis , never realized this was a "thing"
robcguns = bodybuilding guru
Take it eod(everyday is fine but I like to give the body breaks form everything) and you will gain muscle size,strength and crazy vascularity after a month or two.
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Take it eod(everyday is fine but I like to give the body breaks form everything) and you will gain muscle size,strength and crazy vascularity after a month or two.
I've heard people using Viagra or Cialis for long periods of time lose the ability to get erections without it. Could this happen using it as a bodybuilding drug?
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I've heard people using Viagra or Cialis for long periods of time lose the ability to get erections without it. Could this happen using it as a bodybuilding drug?
I can say my buddy who is 52 has been taking it daily for 5 years and has no issues he says. But that’s why I’m into the eod thing or even just 2-3 times a week. Also just do for a few months then break for a few weeks and go again etc… breaks for everything is best.
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I can say my buddy who is 52 has been taking it daily for 5 years and has no issues he says. But that’s why I’m into the eod thing or even just 2-3 times a week. Also just do for a few months then break for a few weeks and go again etc… breaks for everything is best.
How big and strong are you compared to your peak, or is your peak now? How old? :)
Not you specifically, but a lot of dudes are always talking about how they are growing or getting stronger. But to me "growing" means you are on whole new ground, and stronger than ever. I'm a sickly 47 and I'm extatic if I can hit some number I've never hit before, it's a rare occurrence to say the least but I think I might be able to do it still in some odd move. I was really impressed when my buddy who was 58 pulled 660lbs which he never did before and he's been lifting since 15.
And damn, I didn't get much pump effects from Cialis even at 40mg/day, took it for about 50 days. I think the max amount with an Rx is 20mg. I've also seen UG Viagra 200mg pills, twice the max prescribed amount, I think for some reason they say Viagra doesn't help blood flow through your whole body. But I will try those Viagras with the Cialis "for the sake of science."
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How big and strong are you compared to your peak, or is your peak now? How old? :)
Not you specifically, but a lot of dudes are always talking about how they are growing or getting stronger. But to me "growing" means you are on whole new ground, and stronger than ever. I'm a sickly 47 and I'm extatic if I can hit some number I've never hit before, it's a rare occurrence to say the least but I think I might be able to do it still in some odd move. I was really impressed when my buddy who was 58 pulled 660lbs which he never did before and he's been lifting since 15.
And damn, I didn't get much pump effects from Cialis even at 40mg/day, took it for about 50 days. I think the max amount with an Rx is 20mg. I've also seen UG Viagra 200mg pills, twice the max prescribed amount, I think for some reason they say Viagra doesn't help blood flow through your whole body. But I will try those Viagras with the Cialis "for the sake of science."
I am 46 and I’m stronger on some things now verse 20 years ago but I don’t bench,deadlift,shoulder press or barbell row anymore and I know I wouldn’t be as strong on those.
I did incline db benches the other day and hit some great numbers reps wise, I did 70s for 70, 80s for 60,90s for 50,100s for 40,120s for 30. Also my curls are stronger. Things I’m focusing on are stronger than 20 years ago.
20 years ago I was taking test,tren,deca,eq,dbol etc… not all at the same time but a few at a time. Now is just trt at 40-50mgs cyp every 3.5 days and 5mgs cialis eod or 2-3 times a week. Granted I don’t drink or party anymore so I’m sure that has a lot to do with it.
I’m 6’1.5” 260 now with cold 22” arms and chest about 55”,waist 37”,calfs 19”,forearms 16”,quads 26”(not interested in big quads just muscular). I’m no bodybuilder but I’m big and strong with veins which is all I want.
I think small doses with hard ass training can get you where you want as long as you aren’t looking to get on a Stage.
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I am 46 and I’m stronger on some things now verse 20 years ago but I don’t bench,deadlift,shoulder press or barbell row anymore and I know I wouldn’t be as strong on those.
I did incline db benches the other day and hit some great numbers reps wise, I did 70s for 70, 80s for 60,90s for 50,100s for 40,120s for 30. Also my curls are stronger. Things I’m focusing on are stronger than 20 years ago.
20 years ago I was taking test,tren,deca,eq,dbol etc… not all at the same time but a few at a time. Now is just trt at 40-50mgs cyp every 3.5 days and 5mgs cialis eod or 2-3 times a week. Granted I don’t drink or party anymore so I’m sure that has a lot to do with it.
I’m 6’1.5” 260 now with cold 22” arms and chest about 55”,waist 37”,calfs 19”,forearms 16”,quads 26”(not interested in big quads just muscular). I’m no bodybuilder but I’m big and strong with veins which is all I want.
I think small doses with hard ass training can get you where you want as long as you aren’t looking to get on a Stage.
Alright, great numbers.
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I've heard people using Viagra or Cialis for long periods of time lose the ability to get erections without it. Could this happen using it as a bodybuilding drug?
I don't think it works like this as the way they move the blood around remains the same.
Your erection will be as it normally would be when your blood is moving around like that.
Old farts have been using viagra with success for many decades at this point. Nowadays, what messes up the erection is porn dopamine issues. Not even viagra will fix it as it's a brain issue.
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How big and strong are you compared to your peak, or is your peak now? How old? :)
Not you specifically, but a lot of dudes are always talking about how they are growing or getting stronger. But to me "growing" means you are on whole new ground, and stronger than ever. I'm a sickly 47 and I'm extatic if I can hit some number I've never hit before, it's a rare occurrence to say the least but I think I might be able to do it still in some odd move. I was really impressed when my buddy who was 58 pulled 660lbs which he never did before and he's been lifting since 15.
And damn, I didn't get much pump effects from Cialis even at 40mg/day, took it for about 50 days. I think the max amount with an Rx is 20mg. I've also seen UG Viagra 200mg pills, twice the max prescribed amount, I think for some reason they say Viagra doesn't help blood flow through your whole body. But I will try those Viagras with the Cialis "for the sake of science."
i use one or both and i don't think they do jack shit
i'm 5% with viens all over my abs and my love handles but that's just my lean ripped genes
i'm on ZERO ais, ZERO fat burners and shifting from test/drol/var to deca/dbol and you can be DAMN SURE i will stay rippped and dry
again.. genetics
too bad i don't have size genetic
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I am 46 and I’m stronger on some things now verse 20 years ago but I don’t bench,deadlift,shoulder press or barbell row anymore and I know I wouldn’t be as strong on those.
I did incline db benches the other day and hit some great numbers reps wise, I did 70s for 70, 80s for 60,90s for 50,100s for 40,120s for 30. Also my curls are stronger. Things I’m focusing on are stronger than 20 years ago.
20 years ago I was taking test,tren,deca,eq,dbol etc… not all at the same time but a few at a time. Now is just trt at 40-50mgs cyp every 3.5 days and 5mgs cialis eod or 2-3 times a week. Granted I don’t drink or party anymore so I’m sure that has a lot to do with it.
I’m 6’1.5” 260 now with cold 22” arms and chest about 55”,waist 37”,calfs 19”,forearms 16”,quads 26”(not interested in big quads just muscular). I’m no bodybuilder but I’m big and strong with veins which is all I want.
I think small doses with hard ass training can get you where you want as long as you aren’t looking to get on a Stage.
right now you are stronger than peak gay butler and peak didldo heath
they were struggling to incline 125s for 10-12
impressive 8)
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right now you are stronger than peak gay butler and peak didldo heath
they were struggling to incline 125s for 10-12
impressive 8)
I’m no bodybuilder and don’t claim to be but I can move some weight when my shoulders aren’t hurting. My arms are my strong point as far as pulling and pushing, while my chest is very sore pretty sure my tris are doing most the pressing.
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I’m no bodybuilder and don’t claim to be but I can move some weight when my shoulders aren’t hurting. My arms are my strong point as far as pulling and pushing, while my chest is very sore pretty sure my tris are doing most the pressing.
have any idea what your preacher curl is and db con curl?
those were mentzer's 2 fav bi moves and he used 120 for the preacher and up to 80's for the con curl
80 pound con curl is strong as shit
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have any idea what your preacher curl is and db con curl?
those were mentzer's 2 fav bi moves and he used 120 for the preacher and up to 80's for the con curl
80 pound con curl is strong as shit
Never gone heavier than 110 on preacher just cause it was a fixed ez curl bar. I would do sets of 10-20 years ago, I don’t preacher anymore, don’t want to risk a torn bi.
I have done 80lb concentration curls years ago a few times. Haven’t tried in a long time.
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Never gone heavier than 110 on preacher just cause it was a fixed ez curl bar. I would do sets of 10-20 years ago, I don’t preacher anymore, don’t want to risk a torn bi.
I have done 80lb concentration curls years ago a few times. Haven’t tried in a long time.
strong dude all the way strong dude
how bout weighted dips? my best was 125 added for a triple, that was when i was having phone consults with mentzer back in the late 90s of course i trained more often than he advised me and that's when he called me wild horse hahaha
i impressed him with my first dip session as i got 15 to failure with 50 pounds added, once i worked up to 100 for 6 he told me got str to 125
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strong dude all the way strong dude
how bout weighted dips? my best was 125 added for a triple, that was when i was having phone consults with mentzer back in the late 90s of course i trained more often than he advised me and that's when he called me wild horse hahaha
i impressed him with my first dip session as i got 15 to failure with 50 pounds added, once i worked up to 100 for 6 he told me got str to 125
125 Is very strong. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone besides myself do over 90lbs in any gym I’ve been in. Honestly prob not over 45 as most people can’t even dip their bodyweight.
Dips was one of my strongest moves ever prob why my shoulders are fucked. I have done 2 100 lb plates hanging between my legs while weighing 260ish for 10s. Also have done 100 bodyweight dips weighing 260-280.
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125 Is very strong. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone besides myself do over 90lbs in any gym I’ve been in. Honestly prob not over 45 as most people can’t even dip their bodyweight.
Dips was one of my strongest moves ever prob why my shoulders are fucked. I have done 2 100 lb plates hanging between my legs while weighing 260ish for 10s. Also have done 100 bodyweight dips weighing 260-280.
damn!!! 200 is strong as fuck
my dips were taken below parellel none of this half repped horseshit
i asked menzter about casey viators claim that he dipped with 300 pounds and mentzer said "well casey has been known to stretch the truth a bit"
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damn!!! 200 is strong as fuck
my dips were taken below parellel none of this half repped horseshit
i asked menzter about casey viators claim that he dipped with 300 pounds and mentzer said "well casey has been known to stretch the truth a bit"
All my dips were taken till my shoulder basically hit the dip bars. I went so deep it’s what fucked my shoulder but gave me the most tricep,chest and shoulder development.
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All my dips were taken till my shoulder basically hit the dip bars. I went so deep it’s what fucked my shoulder but gave me the most tricep,chest and shoulder development.
since your the arm man here i have a q for you
which is better for tri mass/size, dips on close-grip presses?
my focus is on adding arm and delt size and out of bis, tris and delts my tris are number 3 :'(
i do db skulls and reverse grip and regular grip pressdowns but i need a heavy compound in there
now i'm supersetting close-grips with skulls but i'm thinking maybe i should do dips or close-grips fresh so i can load more weight on them
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since your the arm man here i have a q for you
which is better for tri mass/size, dips on close-grip presses?
my focus is on adding arm and delt size and out of bis, tris and delts my tris are number 3 :'(
i do db skulls and reverse grip and regular grip pressdowns but i need a heavy compound in there
now i'm supersetting close-grips with skulls but i'm thinking maybe i should do dips or close-grips fresh so i can load more weight on them
the biggest your arms will get will be from chin ups pausing each rep at top for a few seconds and holding the negative on the last rep of each set as long as you can and I mean fight it all the way until you have to lock out.
Tris honestly cables produce more tri size for me now than dips or NGB. Leaning over cable over heads with a Vbar, jm presses with cable also with a v bar and skulls on trx straps body weight. All these with holding the last rep for 30-60 seconds on each set will add more size than dips or NGB if you’ve always done them. Tris and bis seem to get a better workout with constant tension for me anyways.
I would say dips and do them the same way I said to do chin ups.
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the biggest your arms will get will be from chin ups pausing each rep at top for a few seconds and holding the negative on the last rep of each set as long as you can and I mean fight it all the way until you have to lock out.
Tris honestly cables produce more tri size for me now than dips or NGB. Leaning over cable over heads with a Vbar, jm presses with cable also with a v bar and skulls on trx straps body weight. All these with holding the last rep for 30-60 seconds on each set will add more size than dips or NGB if you’ve always done them. Tris and bis seem to get a better workout with constant tension for me anyways.
I would say dips and do them the same way I said to do chin ups.
thanks bro i'll try the chin up protocol, and just to make sure you mean close-grip palms up chins right?
mentzer said in his later years that palm up close grip chins are the best bi exercise in exsistance
he would always talk bout gymnasts biceps as proof of this
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thanks bro i'll try the chin up protocol, and just to make sure you mean close-grip palms up chins right?
mentzer said in his later years that palm up close grip chins are the best bi exercise in exsistance
he would always talk bout gymnasts biceps as proof of this
Yeah palms up chins can’t be beat. Absolute best bicep size movement.
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i'm 5% with viens all over my abs and my love handles but that's just my lean ripped genes
Dude, re-read what you just posted and tell me what's wrong here....
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^^^^ Tren and legit Pharma grade Drol 50.....dropped Test at 5 weeks out,ate like a Spartan, and was as hard as nails.
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(https://musclememory.com/images/amateurUSA/WescottTim.jpg)
^^^^ Tren and legit Pharma grade Drol 50.....dropped Test at 5 weeks out,ate like a Spartan, and was as hard as nails.
Tren, Test, Anadrol, the ultimate precontest stack imo. Will of course vary a bit between individuals.
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Yeah palms up chins can’t be beat. Absolute best bicep size movement.
My favorite as well.
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Yeah palms up chins can’t be beat. Absolute best bicep size movement.
merci
Dude, re-read what you just posted and tell me what's wrong here....
i dnt know what that area is called, side back ???