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But the question is: is America ready for a HALF black president? :)
Feb 17, 1:29 PM EST
Obama: U.S. Ready for Black President
By JIM DAVENPORT
Associated Press Writer
ORANGEBURG, S.C. (AP) -- White House hopeful Barack Obama, taking a fellow black lawmaker to task, said Saturday voters are ready to elect a black president.
"At every turn in our history, there's been somebody who said we can't," the Democratic senator from Illinois told a nearly all-black audience of about 2,000 at Claflin University.
"Some people said we can't do this, we can't do that, so we shouldn't even try. If I have your support, if I have your energy and involvement and commitment and ideas, then I'm here to tell you, 'Yes we can.'"
The comments drew the loudest ovation during a question-and-answer session in his first campaign swing through South Carolina, an early voting state.
The first-in-the-South contest here is seen as a test of candidates' abilities to reach black voters. Half of the state's Democratic primary voters are black.
Obama responded to comments this past week by Democratic state Sen. Robert Ford of Charleston, who helped mobilize black voters for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards in 2004, but has switched to Hillary Rodham Clinton in the 2008 presidential race.
Ford said Tuesday that Obama, a first-term senator, has much to prove. "The media made this guy bigger than life," Ford said. "This guy isn't tested and they made him a rock star."
Ford said one reason he was supporting Clinton, the New York senator, is that he is skeptical Obama can win the presidency and worries his nomination could hurt other Democratic candidates.
"Every Democrat running on that ticket next year would lose - because he's black and he's top of the ticket. We'd lose the House and the Senate and the governors and everything," Ford said.
Ford drew widespread criticism for his comment and later apologized.
U.S. House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., introduced Obama, saying "Run, Barack, run."
"Obama is able to run today because Rosa Parks sat down," Clyburn said. "He is able to run today because Septima Clark stood up."
Parks, in 1955, refused to give up her bus seat to a white man in Montgomery, Ala., sparking a mass boycott by thousands, mainly black women domestic workers who had long filled the buses' back seats.
Clark was an educator and activist for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People decades before the nation's attention turned to racial equality.
Clyburn says he is not endorsing a primary candidate.
State Democratic Party Chairman Joe Erwin tells candidates the race is open and the black vote is not monolithic.
Darcel Lancaster, an 18-year-old Claflin freshman, spent nearly two hours waiting in the morning's chill to be the first in line to see Obama. The biology major said she wouldn't commit to Obama's campaign.
"I'm going to look more into others," she said.
She doesn't expect him to win every black vote - including hers.
"Some people think he's not black enough," Lancaster said. If she picked Obama, it wouldn't be because of his race, she said. "He's not full black," Lancaster said.
U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut spoke earlier Saturday at a Richland County Democratic Party breakfast to a crowd of less than 100.
Both Dodd and Obama had to shorten their South Carolina visits to get back to Washington for a Senate vote on a resolution opposing the Iraq war.
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more racial bullshit.
nobody cares except those with an axe to grind against a certain group.
people who post articles like this only work to further create racial rension.
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"Every Democrat running on that ticket next year would lose - because he's black and he's top of the ticket. We'd lose the House and the Senate and the governors and everything," Ford said.
Ford drew widespread criticism for his comment and later apologized.
This is an inflammatory comment, but probably pretty close to the truth.
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One aside. Obama is actually mixed race. I don't know why this is mentioned so little. Dad was Kenyan and mom some kind of caucasian.
I think he presents himself very well and looking forward to hearing more about his platforms. I'd be happy to elect a black, hispanic, caucasian, indian, native american, asian...etc (you get the point) if they will be the best for this country (and are moderate). Thankfully, Race matters less and less in most American's eyes.
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One aside. Obama is actually mixed race. I don't know why this is mentioned so little. Dad was Kenyan and mom some kind of caucasian.
I think he presents himself very well and looking forward to hearing more about his platforms. I'd be happy to elect a black, hispanic, caucasian, indian, native american, asian...etc (you get the point) if they will be the best for this country (and are moderate). Thankfully, Race matters less and less in most American's eyes.
It is brought up quite a bit. You missed the "Halfrican American" strings on this board. :)
I agree it shouldn't matter. I don't vote based on skin color, ethnicity, etc. Unfortunately, many people still do.
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It is brought up quite a bit. You missed the "Halfrican American" strings on this board. :)
I agree it shouldn't matter. I don't vote based on skin color, ethnicity, etc. Unfortunately, many people still do.
It's brought up twice a day BY YOU, behavior similar to that of a closet racist.
"It shouldn't matter"? No shit, sherlock. But you start two debates a day on it.
And you need to stop using that derogatory descriptor.
Seriously, do you start conversations about peoples' race every day in public? Cause in real life, you'd get your lip split, or youd' be socially shunned for doing something so unprofessional and obnoxious. As a college professor (haha) you'd know that.
I guess since you cannot bash obama for his positions on topics, you can bring up his skin color constantly. It's people like you that perpetuate these divisions in society.
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the only way amreeka would ever get a knee grow president is if he was the biggest uncle tom in the world
berserker, u running :D
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I'm old school - he got black skin, so he (be) Black.
Seriously, though, my problem with Obama is that he's too green and his timing is bad. When Clinton got himself elected on that tragic day back in 1992, as an unknown, his timing was perfect. He wasn't well-positioned for national politics, but the window was wide open for a newcomer who happened to be both White and Southern.
Obama is currently the 'hey, look at me - I've got some ideas!' guy. But there isn't enough of a track record to conclude that this man is 'presidential' enough to lead this nation.
So, I'm not telling Obama not to run because he's Black. I'm asking him not to run because he really is not electable at this time. He should spend time speaking and writing and let his words and Senate voting record build for him a resumé that he can use for a possible White House run in the future.
Oh, and he should change his first name, too. ;)
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It's brought up twice a day BY YOU, behavior similar to that of a closet racist.
"It shouldn't matter"? No shit, sherlock. But you start two debates a day on it.
And you need to stop using that derogatory descriptor.
Seriously, do you start conversations about peoples' race every day in public? Cause in real life, you'd get your lip split, or youd' be socially shunned for doing something so unprofessional and obnoxious. As a college professor (haha) you'd know that.
I guess since you cannot bash obama for his positions on topics, you can bring up his skin color constantly. It's people like you that perpetuate these divisions in society.
Does this mean you will not vote for a Halfrican American for president?
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I'm old school - he got black skin, so he (be) Black.
Seriously, though, my problem with Obama is that he's too green and his timing is bad. When Clinton got himself elected on that tragic day back in 1992, as an unknown, his timing was perfect. He wasn't well-positioned for national politics, but the window was wide open for a newcomer who happened to be both White and Southern.
Obama is currently the 'hey, look at me - I've got some ideas!' guy. But there isn't enough of a track record to conclude that this man is 'presidential' enough to lead this nation.
So, I'm not telling Obama not to run because he's Black. I'm asking him not to run because he really is not electable at this time. He should spend time speaking and writing and let his words and Senate voting record build for him a resumé that he can use for a possible White House run in the future.
Oh, and he should change his first name, too. ;)
Tre his timing is actually very good. He is still a rock star. The race is wide open (although I think the Democrat nod is Hillary's to lose). The Republican party does not have an unbeatable candidate. There is no incumbent. I completely understand why he's running now.
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Does this mean you will not vote for a Halfrican American for president?
you're a fking disrespectful racist.
I'm betting if you were standing in a room full of African Americans you wouldn't have the balls to make such statements.
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you're a fking disrespectful racist.
I'm betting if you were standing in a room full of African Americans you wouldn't have the balls to make such statements.
I'll take that as a "no."
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I'll take that as a "no."
I take that as you admit you're a racist who makes slurs here that would get your lip split in real life.
Toss in the fact that you voted Clinton twice and you endorse letting thousands of iraqi refugees live here...
You bring shame to this nation, Beach Bum.
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I take that as you admit you're a racist who makes slurs here that would get your lip split in real life.
Toss in the fact that you voted Clinton twice and you endorse letting thousands of iraqi refugees live here...
You bring shame to this nation, Beach Bum.
When was the last time you were in "a room full of African Americans"?
Actually, a better question is when was the last time you were in a room full of Halfrican Americans? Inquiring minds want to know . . . .
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When was the last time you were in "a room full of African Americans"?
Actually, a better question is when was the last time you were in a room full of Halfrican Americans? Inquiring minds want to know . . . .
you are a racist. you disgust me.
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you are a racist. you disgust me.
LOL. ;D
::)
P.S. I think the answer to both questions might be either "never" or "not any time in the past decade."
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Which seems to be a problem for certain black groups.... he's not "black enough". I find that point of view pathetic and sad. I'm willing to either vote for the man or not vote for the man based on his positions and views, his race is immaterial to me. Yet groups for whom race is supposedly important, deny him his "blackness" because he's not "black enough". ::) ::) ::) That kind of thing makes me want to toss a bomb into NAACP headquarters and Jesse Jackson's digs . (note to FBI or NSA agents surely reading this.... I'm not really contemplating tossing a bomb anywhere. In fact, I would have no idea how to even make a bomb. I'm expressing political frustration and that's it, okay? No patriot act violation here! Just free speech. ::) )
Goatboy, WAKE UP! Free speech IS a Patriot Act violation! This isn't an NAACP thing.
It's a "legacy of slavery in America" thing, where the chains came of the bodies, but not off the minds thing.
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Beach Bum, I bet you don't own any Kanye West records.
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Beach Bum, I bet you don't own any Kanye West records.
::)
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This isn't an NAACP thing.
Sure it is. Obama is a qualified black man running for president, and because he may not embrace their full agenda, they (and those like them) say he isn't "black enough"? That's disgusting on several levels.
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uncle tom!
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Sure it is. Obama is a qualified black man running for president, and because he may not embrace their full agenda, they (and those like them) say he isn't "black enough"? That's disgusting on several levels.
I tend to agree. The NAACP does some good things, but I doubt they support many, if any, black conservatives.
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Sure it is. Obama is a qualified black man running for president, and because he may not embrace their full agenda, they (and those like them) say he isn't "black enough"? That's disgusting on several levels.
Are you saying the NAACP has denounced Obama's candidacy on the ground that "he is not Black enough" ?
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I tend to agree. The NAACP does some good things, but I doubt they support many, if any, black conservatives.
Are you saying Barack Obama is a Black conservative? What planet are you on?
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Are you saying the NAACP has denounced Obama's candidacy on the ground that "he is not Black enough" ?
I am saying several so-called "black leaders" have said he is "not black enough", on the grounds that he may not support their full agenda. I don't know if the NAACP specifically is one of them or not, but I think it is beyond ironic that groups who claim to support the advancement of Black people would try to deny Senator Obama his "blackness" on this basis. It demonstrates that these groups are not really all about helping Black people, but are rather about maintaining their own wealth and power-base.
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Are you saying Barack Obama is a Black conservative? What planet are you on?
BB is a history professor ya know.
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I am saying several so-called "black leaders" have said he is "not black enough", on the grounds that he may not support their full agenda. I don't know if the NAACP specifically is one of them or not, but I think it is beyond ironic that groups who claim to support the advancement of Black people would try to deny Senator Obama his "blackness" on this basis. It demonstrates that these groups are not really all about helping Black people, but are rather about maintaining their own wealth and power-base.
Complete jibberish & double-speak.
If the NAACP has not disparaged him as being "not Black enough"... how do you justify the charge they have?
That's like saying David Dukes disparages Jews, then interpreting that as the ADL being holocaust deniers.
Who are these "Black leaders" who have disparaged Obama's ethnicity? And who are their constituents?
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Complete jibberish & double-speak.
If the NAACP has not disparaged him as being "not Black enough"... how do you justify the charge they have?
That's like saying David Dukes disparages Jews, then interpreting that as the ADL being holocaust deniers.
Who are these "Black leaders" who have disparaged Obama's ethnicity? And who are their constituents?
You're being too literal, Judi. I don't remember the specific groups, and I was using "NAACP" as a metaphor to represent the "Black leadership" establishment. Sorry if I didn't make this clear.
I've read at least two stories on this in the past week alone. I'll do a search and dig up the specifics if it's that important to you. ::)
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Are you saying Barack Obama is a Black conservative? What planet are you on?
??? No. What I said was "The NAACP does some good things, but I doubt they support many, if any, black conservatives."
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Tre his timing is actually very good. He is still a rock star. The race is wide open (although I think the Democrat nod is Hillary's to lose). The Republican party does not have an unbeatable candidate. There is no incumbent. I completely understand why he's running now.
Bush is a very unpopular president, but if the Dems stick a Black or female candidate out there now...I think that would galvanize a certain very large segment of the population.
I'm not arguing that no Republican is capable of leading the country right now, however. My argument is that it would be better to select a Democrat in order to ensure regime change once W is retired.
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Bush is a very unpopular president, but if the Dems stick a Black or female candidate out there now...I think that would galvanize a certain very large segment of the population.
I'm not arguing that no Republican is capable of leading the country right now, however. My argument is that it would be better to select a Democrat in order to ensure regime change once W is retired.
Well, Hillary is the last thing we need, so Obama would be a much better choice... if he can get past his own party, that is. ::)
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I tend to agree. The NAACP does some good things, but I doubt they support many, if any, black conservatives.
I need to look into this 'new' NAACP.
From what I saw on C-Span last month, the NAACP might be a lot more progressive today than they were 5-10 years ago.
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Well, Hillary is the last thing we need, so Obama would be a much better choice... if he can get past his own party, that is. ::)
Agreed on Obama > Hillary, but I'm puzzled as to why - after SEVEN YEARS - the Democrats still do not have an electable candidate identified and ready to assume the position.
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I need to look into this 'new' NAACP.
From what I saw on C-Span last month, the NAACP might be a lot more progressive today than they were 5-10 years ago.
It would certainly surprise me if that were the case. Black conservatives such as Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, Colin Powell, and many others seem to receive little support from such groups.
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Agreed on Obama > Hillary, but I'm puzzled as to why - after SEVEN YEARS - the Democrats still do not have an electable candidate identified and ready to assume the position.
Because they've not been able to get over their love affair with the Clinton legacy.
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I need to look into this 'new' NAACP.
From what I saw on C-Span last month, the NAACP might be a lot more progressive today than they were 5-10 years ago.
If there was any movement, it hasn't been noticeable. I know of a guy here who was asked to speak to the local branch of the NAACP about the political process. When they found out the guy had Republican ties he was disinvited (is that a word?), because the talk was too close to an election and the NAACP didn't want to appear "partisan." ::)
I think this has been their recent history. They are still in bed with the Democrat party.
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Because they've not been able to get over their love affair with the Clinton legacy.
This is true... but many people (including myself) do believe that Clinton was a very good president... especially considering what we've had since his tenure.
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I need to look into this 'new' NAACP.
From what I saw on C-Span last month, the NAACP might be a lot more progressive today than they were 5-10 years ago.
This may be true, but didn't it take Bush like 6 years to even go to the NAACP... I mean, he seemed very set against it... perhaps his middle american white Christian base was a factor?
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This may be true, but didn't it take Bush like 6 years to even go to the NAACP... I mean, he seemed very set against it... perhaps his middle american white Christian base was a factor?
I don't really blame him. Hostile crowd. They don't support him. Why should he?
That said, I do believe there is a disproportionate number of bigots in the Republican party.
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I don't really blame him. Hostile crowd. They don't support him. Why should he?
That said, I do believe there is a disproportionate number of bigots in the Republican party.
I don't think they were hostile in the beginning... a large group of black Americans voted for him and his christian faith.
It took a couple of years before the crowd was hostile towards him and they certainly were behind him after 9/11
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That said, I do believe there is a disproportionate number of bigots in the Republican party.
Perhaps, but many people would have you believe that not supporting certain policies, such as affirimitive action on the grounds that it's reverse discrimination, or not supporting hate crimes legislation on the grounds ithat it criminalizes what is in one's mind rather than ones actions would automatically make one a "bigot".
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I don't think they were hostile in the beginning... a large group of black Americans voted for him and his christian faith.
It took a couple of years before the crowd was hostile towards him and they certainly were behind him after 9/11
Tu just so we're clear, I'm only referring to the NAACP, not blacks in general.
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Tu just so we're clear, I'm only referring to the NAACP, not blacks in general.
Make sure you explain that to Judi! ;D
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Perhaps, but many people would have you believe that not supporting certain policies, such as affirimitive action on the grounds that it's reverse discrimination, or not supporting hate crimes legislation on the grounds ithat it criminalizes what is in one's mind rather than ones actions would automatically make one a "bigot".
I don't believe that, but what I find disturbing is the same people who oppose, e.g., affirmative action (which I DON'T want to debate) are the same ones who opposed The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Brown v. Board, the end of Jim Crow, etc. One of the problems I think the Republican Party has is far too many bigots find a haven in the party. I think they've made great strides, but they still have work to do.
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Make sure you explain that to Judi! ;D
;D Jag is a smart lady, but she reads and understands what she wants. I don't have any control over that. Sorry. :D
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Tu just so we're clear, I'm only referring to the NAACP, not blacks in general.
That could be true... I hate the NAACP.
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I don't believe that, but what I find disturbing is the same people who oppose, e.g., affirmative action (which I DON'T want to debate) are the same ones who opposed The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Brown v. Board, the end of Jim Crow, etc. One of the problems I think the Republican Party has is far too many bigots find a haven in the party. I think they've made great strides, but they still have work to do.
So true.
One of the things that many of the uneducated White racists do not understand is that affirmative action programs have helped to ensure that Whites would continue to hold positions of great power in disproportionate numbers. Throw the ol' dog a bone and you can keep him at bay.
That being said, there was a time when affirmative action was needed, because you had Black taxpayers who were unable to attend 'White' public schools. It may seem common sensical to us today, but our larger society was not always as open as it is now and when you really think about it, 1954 wasn't all that long ago.
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So true.
One of the things that many of the uneducated White racists do not understand is that affirmative action programs have helped to ensure that Whites would continue to hold positions of great power in disproportionate numbers. Throw the ol' dog a bone and you can keep him at bay.
That being said, there was a time when affirmative action was needed, because you had Black taxpayers who were unable to attend 'White' public schools. It may seem common sensical to us today, but our larger society was not always as open as it is now and when you really think about it, 1954 wasn't all that long ago.
You're right on all counts... The power ideal is how Stalin maintained his control over The USSR.
1954 wasn't that long ago, but many people especially those in power, seem to have a much shorter memory than those who are not.
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I agree with both of you.
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You're being too literal, Judi. I don't remember the specific groups, and I was using "NAACP" as a metaphor to represent the "Black leadership" establishment. Sorry if I didn't make this clear.
I've read at least two stories on this in the past week alone. I'll do a search and dig up the specifics if it's that important to you. ::)
I don't believe I am being too literal. Literal is what is called for. My point is that you took a legitimate organization and discredited & tarnished it's name, by lumping it with a bunch of kooks. That's like saying the current US Administration is X because David Dukes or (insert KKK member here) says X. The KKK does not speak for America, and they don't speak for this presidential administration, though they may claim to. By the same token, race baiters and poverty pimps do not speak for all blacks nor do they speak for the NAACP. The NAACP is a separate and distinct organization that is very real, and is NOT a metaphor, and should not be used as a metaphor... especially not for something that bears absolutely no resemblance to what it is all about.
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I don't believe I am being too literal. Literal is what is called for. My point is that you took a legitimate organization and discredited & tarnished it's name, by lumping it with a bunch of kooks. That's like saying the current US Administration is X because David Dukes or (insert KKK member here) says X. The KKK does not speak for America, and they don't speak for this presidential administration, though they may claim to. By the same token, race baiters and poverty pimps do not speak for all blacks nor do they speak for the NAACP. The NAACP is a separate and distinct organization that is very real, and is NOT a metaphor, and should not be used as a metaphor... especially not for something that bears absolutely no resemblance to what it is all about.
What's a legit org? The NAACP?
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What's a legit org? The NAACP?
yes
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yes
You mean in that they are a real organization that exists or in that they do good work... I would disagree with the latter... some years ago, I would have agreed, but not today.
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You mean in that they are a real organization that exists or in that they do good work... I would disagree with the latter... some years ago, I would have agreed, but not today.
I won't debate that part with you, but my point is you can't take one person's position and paint it as gospel for the masses, sanctioned from on high. That's not the case. Those who are screaming Obama is not black enough are those looking to position themselves on the radar screen ...pure & simple.
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I won't debate that part with you, but my point is you can't take one person's position and paint it as gospel for the masses, sanctioned from on high. That's not the case. Those who are screaming Obama is not black enough are those looking to position themselves on the radar screen ...pure & simple.
Oh I agree... although I'm still pissed that race even fucking matters... That in and of itself makes me disgusted.
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Oh I agree... although I'm still pissed that race even fucking matters... That in and of itself makes me disgusted.
I agree with you there.
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Oh I agree... although I'm still pissed that race even fucking matters... That in and of itself makes me disgusted.
Science tells us that humans have an innate desire to 'classify'.
Religion, however, is to blame for racism.
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Science tells us that humans have an innate desire to 'classify'.
Religion, however, is to blame for racism.
How so?
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Isn't BeachBum an African American? ???
I heard he was Chinese.
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How so?
Because 'the scriptures' tell us so. :)
I don't know much about the non-christian religions, but christianity is filled with lots of references to tribal superiority being based upon divine instruction ("god told us we should smite you", etc).
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Because 'the scriptures' tell us so. :)
I don't know much about the non-christian religions, but christianity is filled with lots of references to tribal superiority being based upon divine instruction ("god told us we should smite you", etc).
I disagree. The Bible talks about not being a "respecter of persons," which is the antithesis of racism. And I definitely don't think racism in America was caused by Christianity.
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I disagree. The Bible talks about not being a "respecter of persons," which is the antithesis of racism. And I definitely don't think racism in America was caused by Christianity.
However Christianity was historically used to support & justify it.
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However Christianity was historically used to support & justify it.
This is true... even going so far as to say that the "Mark of Cain" was the skin color... There's a way to get white Angelo-Saxon Christians to think slavery is good... label the difference as "God's Wrath".
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American slavery was evil. It was neither justified nor endorsed by Christianity. What you had was some so-called Christians who tried to use the Bible to justify slavery. Never worked. There is nothing in the Bible that supports American slavery.
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American slavery was evil. It was neither justified nor endorsed by Christianity. What you had was some so-called Christians who tried to use the Bible to justify slavery. Never worked. There is nothing in the Bible that supports American slavery.
The KKK did use and still uses the Bible to say that Blacks are an inferior race.
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The KKK did use and still uses the Bible to say that Blacks are an inferior race.
No, they misuse the Bible to say blacks are an inferior race. The Bible doesn't say any such thing.
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No, they misuse the Bible to say blacks are an inferior race. The Bible doesn't say any such thing.
Please see my previous post... you can call it "misuse" if you wish... "misuse" is still a use.
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Please see my previous post... you can call it "misuse" if you wish... "misuse" is still a use.
Maybe we're not talking about the same thing. Are you suggesting the Bible supports American slavery, the alleged inferiority of blacks, etc.? I say it doesn't and it doesn't matter who says it does (KKK or whomever). Some bigot saying the Bible supports slavery doesn't make it true.
There are a number of churches that used to practice segregation. You won't find that in the Bible either.
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Maybe we're not talking about the same thing. Are you suggesting the Bible supports American slavery, the alleged inferiority of blacks, etc.? I say it doesn't and it doesn't matter who says it does (KKK or whomever). Some bigot saying the Bible supports slavery doesn't make it true.
There are a number of churches that used to practice segregation. You won't find that in the Bible either.
Why is it when Christian's pervert bible text to implement policies that then became the standard operating procedure for their churches, it is not considered Christianity's doing, ...but when Muslims pervert the Koran to justify the acts of a few... it is acceptable to preach this perversion represents the true face of Islam?
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Why is it when Christian's pervert bible text to implement policies that then became the standard operating procedure for their churches, it is not considered Christianity's doing, ...but when Muslims pervert the Koran to justify the acts of a few... it is acceptable to preach this perversion represents the true face of Islam?
Jag I have never read the Koran, but I think the difference is with Christianity you had (and have) individuals doing bad things and using nonexistence passages from the Bible to justify their actions (e.g., the mark of Cain changing his race), whereas the Koran apparently has some language that calls for things like Jihads, etc. Nordic could explain the Koran a lot better than me. :)
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Jag I have never read the Koran, but I think the difference is with Christianity you had (and have) individuals doing bad things and using nonexistence passages from the Bible to justify their actions (e.g., the mark of Cain changing his race), whereas the Koran apparently has some language that calls for things like Jihads, etc. Nordic could explain the Koran a lot better than me. :)
How can you say this while in the same sentence admit you have never read the Koran?
Your argument is merely baseless rhetoric on two fronts. The first being obvious, and the second, ...I don't think Nordic has any more knowledge of the Koran than you. I've seen him decimated enough times at the hands of Haider, CJ and even Toxie the atheist to lay stock in Nordic's interpretation of the Koran.
Do you really understand what Jihad is? What it actually is... not what a fear mongering, ratings seeking media
...or a perverse extremist element would have us believe it to be?
self-edit: I'm gonna stop here, because this is really veering off topic, and I don't want to see a good political thread moved to the Religion board.
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Pretty much all religion sucks. It's just a tool of control and/or a justification for our baser instincts. Karl Marx might have been wrong about his economic theories, but he was right on target with his assessment of religion.
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Pretty much all religion sucks. It's just a tool of control and/or a justification for our baser instincts. Karl Marx might have been wrong about his economic theories, but he was right on target with his assessment of religion.
That's why I have always drawn a distinction between spirituality and religion.
I have my faith and my spirituality, ...but I have no "religion"
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How can you say this while in the same sentence admit you have never read the Koran?
Your argument is merely baseless rhetoric on two fronts. The first being obvious, and the second, ...I don't think Nordic has any more knowledge of the Koran than you. I've seen him decimated enough times at the hands of Haider, CJ and even Toxie the atheist to lay stock in Nordic's interpretation of the Koran.
Do you really understand what Jihad is? What it actually is... not what a fear mongering, ratings seeking media
...or a perverse extremist element would have us believe it to be?
self-edit: I'm gonna stop here, because this is really veering off topic, and I don't want to see a good political thread moved to the Religion board.
Actually, I made a statement of fact and an assumption. Here is a fact: "with Christianity you had (and have) individuals doing bad things and using nonexistence passages from the Bible to justify their actions (e.g., the mark of Cain changing his race)." Why don't you specifically explain why this is baseless rhetoric?
Here is an assumption: "whereas the Koran apparently has some language that calls for things like Jihads, etc." I obviously don't know if this is true or not. I'm relying on things I've heard, which is why this is an assumption. And I would be willing to wager Nordic knows a little more about the Koran than you do.
And forgive me for tying to answer your question. ::)
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Actually, I made a statement of fact and an assumption. Here is a fact: "with Christianity you had (and have) individuals doing bad things and using nonexistence passages from the Bible to justify their actions (e.g., the mark of Cain changing his race)." Why don't you specifically explain why this is baseless rhetoric?
The above was not the part I was refering to
Here is an assumption: "whereas the Koran apparently has some language that calls for things like Jihads, etc." I obviously don't know if this is true or not. I'm relying on things I've heard, which is why this is an assumption. And I would be willing to wager Nordic knows a little more about the Koran than you do.
That may well be true, ...but I have very little faith in his interpretation of it.
And forgive me for tying to answer your question. ::)
You're forgiven, :)
...but do try to differentiate between questions calling for an answer and those merely rhetorical in nature. :-*
ps - How's the hammock? We've been downright balmy today. Had a high temperature of minus 5,
and tomorrow, we're expected to reach a high of 0 degrees. It's beginning to feel downright tropical. :D
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ps - How's the hammock? We've been downright balmy today. Had a high temperature of minus 5,
and tomorrow, we're expected to reach a high of 0 degrees. It's beginning to feel downright tropical. :D
The hammock is good. ;D Although we had a near incident the other day. My son thought the cats "shee shee'd" on my hammock (they didn't), so he put it outside . . . in the rain. :o >:( I was not happy. We had a long talk where I explained the importance of my hammock and how, next to my girlfriend (i.e., my big screen T.V.), it is my most prized possession. I only threatened him once or twice. We now have an understanding. ;D
Oh, at 0-dark-thirty this morning it is currently 70 degrees. Today's high will be a frosty 79. :D
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The hammock is good. ;D Although we had a near incident the other day. My son thought the cats "shee shee'd" on my hammock (they didn't), so he put it outside . . . in the rain. :o >:( I was not happy. We had a long talk where I explained the importance of my hammock and how, next to my girlfriend (i.e., my big screen T.V.), it is my most prized possession. I only threatened him once or twice. We now have an understanding. ;D
Oh, at 0-dark-thirty this morning it is currently 70 degrees. Today's high will be a frosty 79. :D
Around 68 here... Gotta love warm weather... I will never move back to the snow again!
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Y'all can try to rub it in all you want, ...but after the month long arctic freeze we've been under, todays weather is downright balmy. It rose even higher than expected. It is a tropical +4 degrees right now, ...people are running around without their jackets... and for the first time in a few weeks... I can actually step outside without my balaclava. :D I'm stoked!!! They say it's going to rise to possibly +8 degrees by Sunday - veritable T-shirt weather for the
slightly insane Caknuckleheads more hearty Canucks :D
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Around 68 here... Gotta love warm weather... I will never move back to the snow again!
Agree. I've only spent a few years in cold weather and I HATED it.
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Y'all can try to rub it in all you want, ...but after the month long arctic freeze we've been under, todays weather is downright balmy. It rose even higher than expected. It is a tropical +4 degrees right now, ...people are running around without their jackets... and for the first time in a few weeks... I can actually step outside without my balaclava. :D I'm stoked!!! They say it's going to rise to possibly +8 degrees by Sunday - veritable T-shirt weather for the slightly insane Caknuckleheads more hearty Canucks :D
Sucks for you. :)
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Y'all can try to rub it in all you want, ...but after the month long arctic freeze we've been under, todays weather is downright balmy. It rose even higher than expected. It is a tropical +4 degrees right now, ...people are running around without their jackets... and for the first time in a few weeks... I can actually step outside without my balaclava. :D I'm stoked!!! They say it's going to rise to possibly +8 degrees by Sunday - veritable T-shirt weather for the slightly insane Caknuckleheads more hearty Canucks :D
What kind of lunatic would live in Canada? ::)
The high today here will be in the low 70's.
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Yesterday was like 25 and today is 44. ;D
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No, they misuse the Bible to say blacks are an inferior race. The Bible doesn't say any such thing.
It's their 'religion', though, right?
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It's their 'religion', though, right?
It's their contortion of the Bible. American slavery and the alleged inferiority of blacks is neither mentioned nor endorsed by the Bible.
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It's their contortion of the Bible. American slavery and the alleged inferiority of blacks is neither mentioned nor endorsed by the Bible.
Most people say it's all about the 'interpretation' of the Bible don't they?
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Most people say it's all about the 'interpretation' of the Bible don't they?
Yes lots of people say that. There is black, white, and gray in the Bible. The lack of endorsement of American slavery falls into the black/white category. It ain't there.
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Yes lots of people say that. There is black, white, and gray in the Bible. The lack of endorsement of American slavery falls into the black/white category. It ain't there.
That is certainly your opinion.
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That is certainly your opinion.
Actually, it's a fact. But I read the Bible a lot and if you want to share where the Bible endorsed American slavery I'm all ears. :)
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Actually, it's a fact. But I read the Bible a lot and if you want to share where the Bible endorsed American slavery I'm all ears. :)
Oh lord... They didn't endorse Worshipping the virgin Mary, but Christians do that all the time.
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Oh lord... They didn't endorse Worshipping the virgin Mary, but Christians do that all the time.
??? I thought we were talking about whether the Bible endorsed American slavery? You got a verse or two? I'll read them.
Catholics worship the Virgin Mary. You won't find that in the Bible either. :)
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Is it ignorant to think that if you help vote a black man or any woman into the highest position on earth that you would be helping in their suicide in todays world?...Regardless if they have the right mind to hold such a position...Do you think that you are making the world a safer place in doing so?...
I certainly don't...If obama was to be elected, i wouldn't give him more then 10 months before his assassination...A president is a world leader...Even if we were ready for it here in the states, those on the outside probably aren't..
Anytime a president gets killed...It hurts our country and the world...I couldn't imagine just how the black community would react if a black president was taken out...I think it would have the potential to divide the races of the planet even more so...
In a perfect world color shouldn't matter...The last thing i would ever want to see is any president of ours be taken out...
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??? I thought we were talking about whether the Bible endorsed American slavery? You got a verse or two? I'll read them.
Catholics worship the Virgin Mary. You won't find that in the Bible either. :)
Catholics are Christians (the oldest group actually).
I'm just making a point that just because it is or is not in the bible, doesn't mean that things are not done in the name of Christianity all of the time... I'm not saying that Christianity is in and of itself wrong, I'm just saying that misuse as you put it, is still use.
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Catholics are Christians (the oldest group actually).
I'm just making a point that just because it is or is not in the bible, doesn't mean that things are not done in the name of Christianity all of the time... I'm not saying that Christianity is in and of itself wrong, I'm just saying that misuse as you put it, is still use.
Depends on who you talk to. Lots of Protestants don't consider Catholics to be Christians.
I think we agree on the use/misuse of Christianity by individuals to try and justify bad deeds.
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Sucks for you. :)
Yep, ...especially today... it just started out all wrong and went downhill from there.
I spent a few hours dicking around between HP, Staples, Lexmark to locate one of 2 printer models,
Then I went to the bank only to discover a major error in my account. Wasted an hour getting it sorted out, ...then in an effort to help the environment, I took public transit to the store, and the bus left early, so I had to wait 10 mins for the next one... the next one was 10 mins late. He pulled in literally 10 seconds before the bus that was scheduled to arrive 10 mins after him pulled in. Got into a fight on the bus... wasn't fun. Then the wife of the man I had the fight with ended up crying on my shoulders... wasn't fun. Picked up my printer. Popped next door to check out the new Walmart SuperCentre only to be practically accosted by the geriatric greeter at the front door. I shot her a look that thankfully froze her in her tracks. It is staffed by morons... no one even knew what certain things were. So now I'm picking up a few items... and I get into a fight at the Express Check Out desk. {sigh} That didn't end so well for the other woman. She was humiliated when I called her a BITCH, and her husband just stood there doing nothing. She was even more humiliated when after I finished checking out, I pulled her husband aside and told him "If I upset or offended you by calling your wife a bitch, I want you to know I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused you". His response... "No offense here... she is a bitch! It's about time she heard it from someone else." :D
So now I'm on my way out the store, and I walk through the door, ...the security alarm goes off... turns out it goes off for everyone trying to exit. Now the temperature has dropped markedly... and the wind has kicked in, ...and poor me left my balaclava at home. As I'm walking through the parking lot, ...I see the bus going by, and I'm too far away to get the drivers attention. I resolved myself to simply catch the next one. As luck would have it... the wind was so strong... it billowed the bag like a sail, and literally blew my printer off the bench... of course the bags went billowing out into traffic. I wasn't about to follow. I look up, and finally, relief is in sight. I see a bus approaching in the distance. As it got closer, ...I was able to read the scrolling LED display that clearly said "Not In Service" ::) Oh ya... I'm really having fun at this point. After what seemed like an eternity, a working bus came along. It wasn't the right route #, but that was ok, it simply meant I'd have to make an additional transfer. no problem. So now I get to transfer point, and transfer onto the next leg of my journey. I realize that if this bus doesn't meet up with my next bus... I'd be stuck waiting out in the cold for 35 mins til the next one came along. I checked the schedules... it was gonna be tight. There was another woman who wanted to make the same transfer as well, so we asked the driver if she could call ahead to get the other bus to wait a few minutes for the transfers. We all heard the announcement from dispatch loud & clear instructing the driver of that route to wait to meet us, ...but when we got to the transfer point... the bus wasn't there. So now... I'm pissed. Usually, there are at least a dozen cab drivers waiting around that corner, ...but tonight... not a cab in sight. So I've reconciled to wait the 30 minutes for the bus. When it finally arrived, I was overjoyed... til I got on. The only seat available was next to a young man who had the unmistakeble odour of curry seeping out every pore. I almost vomited it was so pungent... That was 5 hours ago, ...and I can still smell the curry. :-X Screw the environment. In this weather, I'm gonna be driving, without any guilt whatsoever. The temperatures and inconsistent public transit schedules demand it!
The good part of the day... I didn't do a lick of work in my business, but still racked up over $141,000 in sales, I got my printer, and I arrived home in time to catch our corporate update call. Our dynamometer test results are finally in. YIPPEE!!!! Oh ya, ...and I sneeked another peek at the little chicklet Milania. very soothing. :)
Oh good grief, ...I'm beginning to sound like Linda. :o This is going to be a very interesting week.
I think I might simply pull the covers over my head, and stay in bed all week with lots of chocolate.
sorry... just had to vent... not that you care, ...but I had to vent.
OK gotta go, gotta get into my happy place again. I need to do a feng shui makeover of my house.
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What kind of lunatic would live in Canada? ::)
The high today here will be in the low 70's.
{giggle} Ya baby keep knocking it... if things keep going the way they're going,
...you just might be one of the next batch of American refugees flocking to this side of the border. ;)
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sorry... just had to vent... not that you care,
There is a lot I could do with that line. ;D Doesn't sound like a bad day at all if you ended with six figures in sales. Pretty darn good I'd say.
And you better be careful confronting people in public. There are crazy folks walking among us. Cool that hot blood sista. :)
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There is a lot I could do with that line. ;D Doesn't sound like a bad day at all if you ended with six figures in sales. Pretty darn good I'd say.
Well that was the good part. :)
I expect it to get even better. There was a Imperial oil refinery fire that took place a little while agao, and there is a shortage of fuel. Coupled with the CN railroad strike, they can't get any fuel here, so there are gas stations all of Ontario without gas. This isn't limited to Esso stations either, ...now it appears Petro Canada is upping it's prices as well. We're quickly approaching the record highs we experienced last spring, ...and all the other oil companies are raising their prices to follow suit. Increases of close to 83 ˘ a gallon overnight.
This is just the beginning too. Wait til Bush invades Iran, and Saudi Arabia starts providing support to the Sunnis, you're going to see the world's 3 largest oil producers Iran, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia engulfed in War. This leaves North America's supply at the kindness and mercy of Venezuela and Nigeria. we all know how much Hugo Chavez loves Bush. Thank Goodness he doesn't have the same animosity for the American people. Nigeria is also experiencing it's own challenges as well, due to militants who want to nationalize Nigerian oil. Last spring will seem like a picnic in comparison... and it's only the beginning.
And you better be careful confronting people in public. There are crazy folks walking among us. Cool that hot blood sista. :)
Ya I know. I considered that, ...especially since this woman looked like she could seriously kick my ass without breaking a sweat. She could just as easily been mistaken for a man, ...but I just couldn't help it. When I see a child being abused I have to speak up. I kept quiet for as long as I could...but couldn't take it anymore.
This troglodyte looking woman gets on the bus with a double baby carriage, you know the kind that hold 2 babies, a toddler below and a newborn above. I call her a troglodyte because she literally looked like those drawings of Cro-magnon man. The low hairline, long stringy hair, the overly protruding brow-bone... massive incisors... I swear she looked like a pre-historic cave woman. She was carrying the toddler in her arms, who was crying his eyes out. His poor little foot was frozen. He wasn't wearing one of his shoes, and I could see his little sock was all wet. His mom had the shoe in her hand. She couldn't be bothered to put it back on his foot. It was below zero out, ...my feet were unbearably cold, but mine were covered and weren't wet. He was in pain, and she couldn't be bothered to put his little shoe back on his foot. She just ignored his cries. Then this guy got up and offered her his seat. She ignored him like he wasn't even there, and hadn't even spoken a word at all. She was either deaf or zoned out, ...and she obviously wasn't deaf because she kept hitting her son and telling him to shut up. Then 2 women got up, and she took the seat in front of me, and placed her son next to her. Throughout this time, it was like the only thing she heard was her son's crying, because she would occassionally smack him and tell him to shush or to shut up. Anyway, she finally get's around to putting his shoe back on his little foot again. Then she zoned out. He continued to cry, she slapped him, and handed him his bottle. still he continued to cry. Every time few minutes she would smack the child and tell him to shut up. Finally I couldn't take it any longer. I said "He's crying for a reason! You'd get far better results if you found out what he needed and gave it to him rather than simply hitting him and telling him to shut up!" She completely ignored me, like I wasn't even there, and hadn't even spoken. Then all of a sudden, a thin wiry looking guy from the back of the bus appeared in front of the kid... and said "There's nothing wrong with him ... he's always like that." I was beyond amazed because for the second time in one day I saw what appeared to be another prehistoric Cro magnon in front of my eyes. No joke. This guy also looked like a cave man, ...only he was a Black cave man. The woman was white, ...and her kids were so light skinned they looked white too, but upon closer inspection, i could see the little boy was the spitting image of his father, ...except with caucasian looking skin. The little boy reached out to him, and he picked the baby up and walked back to his seat. The father started hugging him, rocking him, speaking lovingly to him and gave him his bottle... and the little guy calmed down, stopped crying and drank away at his bottle, contentedly in his Daddy's arms.
20 minutes of tranquil quiet goes by, and all of a sudden out of the blue, the father starts screaming at me, calling me a nosy bitch and I should mind my own business. You don't know me, you don't know my son, you don't know my wife,... how dare you talk about my kid... blah blah blah... The whole bus including myself knew this was a guilty conscience talking...but I just ignored him. He was screamy bloody murder... and at one point... I simply turned to him, smiled and asked? Do you have a problem? That seemed to irritate him even more. It was at that point, I spotted the third child who was sitting with his father completely oblivious to the ruckkus going on and the screaming of his father. Even the toddler in his arms was oblivious and contendtedly sucking away at his bottle unfazed. Those kids were obviously used to it. I looked in front of me to his wife... and the woman was zoned out. It was almost as if she was heavily tranquilized, but I could tell by her movements and how she checked on the newborn in the top of the carriage that she was not tranquilized, just deliberately zoned out. I put it all together at that point. This woman's life was a living hell, and she zoned out as a coping mechanism. I began to feel very sorry for her, because I remember when they got on the bus, I had no idea this guy was her husband and that they were even together, because he didn't help her with the carriage at all. she struggled to get it on by herself, and when he got on, he found a seat immediately, while she stood for a while.
Well wouldn't you know... as luck would have it, they were getting off at the same stop as me. The bus comes to a stop, hubby gets off through the back doors, and is halfway across the parking lot before the wife is even able to get near the front exit door. Everyone jumped in front of her because they didn't want to be held up as she tried to maneuver the carriage off. I was one of the last people to exit because I was trying to find out from the driver where the stop was to get the bus westbound for my return trip. It was my first time at this location. Anyway...everyone is rushing to get off the bus, and no one offers to help her... except me. I asked her if she needed a hand with the carriage. She ignored me like I wasn't even there and hadn't even spoken. This woman was in sooo much pain. I decided I was going to help her anyway. I helped her get the carriage off the bus, and when we got it off, I looked up at her and gave her an empathetic smile and added, ...it must be very stressful raising 3 kids. Big uh-oh. That's when she broke down in tears. Her life is a living hell. She's got 3 kids all under 5, and she's married to an absolute asshole. She spends so much energy protecting herself emotionally, she has nothing left for her kids. While I feel sorry for her, ...the kid is the #1 priority. I hope she gets the help she needs, and learns to deal with her situation, cause if she doesn't, I can see her abusing those kids in the future.
As for the woman at the Express Check-Out, ...she started it. All I wanted to do was check out and leave. She shows up with more than 8 items and starts berating the cashier into checking her out. I couldn't give a poop if the cashier chose to do it, ...I just wanted to finish my transaction so I could go and catch the bus. So I asked the cashier to please continue checking me out and deal with her after you're done with me. That's when she tells me to mind my own business. As far as I was concerned, I wasn't talking to her I was talking to the cashier who had interrupted my check out to argue with her. she wanted to get all into it with me, despite my not saying a thing to her, and her husband telling her to be quiet. finally her husband decided it wasn't worth it, he walked away from the express check-out since the cashier had stopped ringing in items, and there was a line forming behind him with other people extremely irate that this woman expected to check out a cartful of groceries at the 8 items or less counter. Then she started getting all racial on me. There were a few good comments I could have made to shut her up, ...but the cashier as well as a few other customers shared the same ethnicity, and i didn't feel it would have been right to sink to her level, and in the process offend all of them as well. So I just looked her straight in the face focused the energy, and called her bitch. That did it... it was like I had punched her in the gut. She literally took a step back and started to tremble... then she got pretty quiet after that. Oh well.... I knew I was letting the energy go as I did it, ...but as far as I was concerned, she was not worth the effort to keep it inside, ...so I let it go. It met it's target dead centre. Oh well... That's life and I'm not perfect... although I'm pretty darned close. :P
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Quite a trip you had. :) And these are those friendly Canadians you've talked about? :-\ I would never get into a verbal confrontation in public with a stranger. I still think you're taking a huge risk. I see nothing wrong with what you said in both instances, but you may justifiably correct someone who goes postal on you or follows you home. You better take up martial arts if you're going to be confronting people.
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Quite a trip you had. :) And these are those friendly Canadians you've talked about? :-\ I would never get into a verbal confrontation in public with a stranger. I still think you're taking a huge risk. I see nothing wrong with what you said in both instances, but you may justifiably correct someone who goes postal on you or follows you home. You better take up martial arts if you're going to be confronting people.
I hear ya, ...and I normally mind my own business... but this woman was sitting directly across from me with the baby, ...and it just broke my heart to see his little tear streaked face, and hearing him cry. He literally had salt stains on his cheeks from his tears. And listening to her growl & snarl as she smacked him was too much to bear. She literally growled at the kid. All the little guy needed was a hug, his bottle, and some loving words. Babies unable to speak are the most vulnerable members of our society and need to be protected. If their primary caregiver isn't doing it, ...it's our responsibility to stand up and speak for them when they're unable to do it for themselves. It's so frustrating for me to understand the cries of babies, and watching their needs go unfulfilled, ...having to stand by while they get smacked for trying to communicate in the only way they know how is not something I care to do. I can still see his little lip quivering. :'(
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I hear ya, ...and I normally mind my own business... but this woman was sitting directly across from me with the baby, ...and it just broke my heart to see his little tear streaked face, and hearing him cry. He literally had salt stains on his cheeks from his tears. And listening to her growl & snarl as she smacked him was too much to bear. She literally growled at the kid. All the little guy needed was a hug, his bottle, and some loving words. Babies unable to speak are the most vulnerable members of our society and need to be protected. If their primary caregiver isn't doing it, ...it's our responsibility to stand up and speak for them when they're unable to do it for themselves. It's so frustrating for me to understand the cries of babies, and watching their needs go unfulfilled, ...having to stand by while they get smacked for trying to communicate in the only way they know how is not something I care to do. I can still see his little lip quivering. :'(
I see many instances where I don't agree with how a parent is or is not disciplining their kid, but I always keep my mouth shut. It's really not my place to say anything and if I think the kid is being abused I'll just call CPS (which I've never done before). But I don't blame you for saying something.
I was on the bus this past summer and two kids, about age 8 or 9, were causing a rucus, slapping each other, and just falling all over the place. I waited about 15 minutes before I finally realized their parents were not on the bus with them. No one said a word to these boys. People here are by and large very passive. I finally told them in my command voice :) to "cut it out" and "sit down." They immediately sat down and did not utter a sound till I got off the bus. :)
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I see many instances where I don't agree with how a parent is or is not disciplining their kid, but I always keep my mouth shut. It's really not my place to say anything and if I think the kid is being abused I'll just call CPS (which I've never done before). But I don't blame you for saying something.
I was on the bus this past summer and two kids, about age 8 or 9, were causing a rucus, slapping each other, and just falling all over the place. I waited about 15 minutes before I finally realized their parents were not on the bus with them. No one said a word to these boys. People here are by and large very passive. I finally told them in my command voice :) to "cut it out" and "sit down." They immediately sat down and did not utter a sound till I got off the bus. :)
It's one thing if a parent is disciplining a child, ...but she wasn't disciplining him.
He wasn't misbehaving, ...he was trying to communicate with him mom.
Thats what we humans are designed to do... to communicate our needs & desires.
And babies shouldn't be abused for doing what they're designed to do, ...tell a parent when they're cold & hungry.
Well aren't you the tough guy taking on an 8 yr. old? What's next... armwrestling a cub scout merit badge winner ;D
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It's one thing if a parent is disciplining a child, ...but she wasn't disciplining him.
He wasn't misbehaving, ...he was trying to communicate with him mom.
Thats what we humans are designed to do... to communicate our needs & desires.
And babies shouldn't be abused for doing what they're designed to do, ...tell a parent when they're cold & hungry.
Well aren't you the tough guy taking on an 8 yr. old? What's next... armwrestling a cub scout merit badge winner ;D
They didn't want a piece of me. :D You should have seen me at the stadium a couple years ago standing in line for my garlic fries with my son. Three guys were behind me in line cussing like sailors. I'm about 245, give or take, and they probably outweighed me by about 100 pounds, each. I thought about asking them to zip it, but instead I said: :-X I'm not crazy. :) I just gave them stink eye and put my headphones over my son's ears.
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They didn't want a piece of me. :D You should have seen me at the stadium a couple years ago standing in line for my garlic fries with my son. Three guys were behind me in line cussing like sailors. I'm about 245, give or take, and they probably outweighed me by about 100 pounds, each. I thought about asking them to zip it, but instead I said: :-X I'm not crazy. :) I just gave them stink eye and put my headphones over my son's ears.
Well, there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything... I bet if you had said, "Hey guys... I know it's a game and all, but could we watch the language around the little guy here".
They would have oblidged... I curse all the time and I try not to do it around kids, but sometimes I'm just going to town, and if someone nicely asked me to stop, I would... If they were a dick, I might be inclined to be a shitbag and just start going in on them, but if they're polite and just watching out for their kids' ears, I certainly won't be a dick about it.
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Well, there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything... I bet if you had said, "Hey guys... I know it's a game and all, but could we watch the language around the little guy here".
They would have oblidged... I curse all the time and I try not to do it around kids, but sometimes I'm just going to town, and if someone nicely asked me to stop, I would... If they were a dick, I might be inclined to be a shitbag and just start going in on them, but if they're polite and just watching out for their kids' ears, I certainly won't be a dick about it.
I agree that is the right approach. If they were sitting behind me I probably would have asked them nicely to watch their language. But you have to pick your battles. We were in line for all of 5 minutes or so.
Most smart people I know use cuss words strategically. It's the people who aren't too bright that have no control over their language and have no class.