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Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« on: June 14, 2008, 06:21:02 PM »
Jun 14, 7:18 PM EDT

Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign

By FREDERIC J. FROMMER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Black conservative talk show host Armstrong Williams has never voted for a Democrat for president. That could change this year with Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's nominee.

"I don't necessarily like his policies; I don't like much that he advocates, but for the first time in my life, history thrusts me to really seriously think about it," Williams said. "I can honestly say I have no idea who I'm going to pull that lever for in November. And to me, that's incredible."

Just as Obama has touched black Democratic voters, he has engendered conflicting emotions among black Republicans. They revel over the possibility of a black president but wrestle with the thought that the Illinois senator doesn't sit beside them ideologically.

"Among black conservatives," Williams said, "they tell me privately, it would be very hard to vote against him in November."

Perhaps sensing the possibility of such a shift, Republican presidential candidate John McCain has made some efforts to lure black voters. He recently told Essence magazine that he would attend the NAACP's annual convention next month, and he noted that he recently traveled to Selma, Ala., scene of seminal voting rights protests in the 1960s, and "talked about the need to include 'forgotten Americans.'"

Still, the Arizona senator has a tall order in winning black votes, no doubt made taller by running against a black opponent. In 2004, blacks chose Democrat John Kerry over President Bush by an 88 percent to 11 percent margin, according to exit polls.

J.C. Watts, a former Oklahoma congressman who once was part of the GOP House leadership, said he's thinking of voting for Obama. Watts said he's still a Republican, but he criticizes his party for neglecting the black community. Black Republicans, he said, have to concede that while they might not agree with Democrats on issues, at least that party reaches out to them.

"And Obama highlights that even more," Watts said, adding that he expects Obama to take on issues such as poverty and urban policy. "Republicans often seem indifferent to those things."

Likewise, retired Gen. Colin Powell, who became the country's first black secretary of state under President George W. Bush, said both candidates are qualified and that he will not necessarily vote for the Republican.

"I will vote for the individual I think that brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America and the 21st-century world regardless of party, regardless of anything else other than the most qualified candidate," Powell said Thursday in Vancouver in comments reported by The Globe and Mail in Toronto.

Writer and actor Joseph C. Phillips got so excited about Obama earlier this year that he started calling himself an "Obamacan" - Obama Republican. Phillips, who appeared on "The Cosby Show" as Denise Huxtable's husband, Navy Lt. Martin Kendall, said he has wavered since, but he is still thinking about voting for Obama.

"I am wondering if this is the time where we get over the hump, where an Obama victory will finally, at long last, move us beyond some of the old conversations about race," Phillips said. "That possibly, just possibly, this great country can finally be forgiven for its original sin, or find some absolution."

Yet Phillips, author of the book "He Talk Like a White Boy," realizes the irony of voting for a candidate based on race to get beyond race.

"We have to not judge him based on his race, but on his desirability as a political candidate," he said. "And based on that, I have a lot of disagreements with him on a lot of issues. I go back and forth."

Michael Steele, the Republican former lieutenant governor of Maryland who lost a Senate race there in 2006, said he is proud of Obama as a black man, but that "come November, I will do everything in my power to defeat him." Electing Obama, he said, would not automatically solve the woes of the black community.

"I think people who try to put this sort of messianic mantle on Barack's nomination are a little bit misguided," he said.

John McWhorter, a self-described political moderate who is a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a New York Sun columnist, said Obama's Democratic Party victory "proves that while there still is some racism in the United States, there is not enough to matter in any serious manner. This is a watershed moment."

"Obama is probably more to the left than I would prefer on a lot of issues," he adds. "But this issue of getting past race for real is such a wedge issue for me. And he is so intelligent, and I think he would be a perfectly competent president, that I'm for him. I want him to get in because, in a way, it will put me out of a job."

James T. Harris, a Milwaukee radio talk show host and public speaker, said he opposes Obama "with love in my heart."

"We are of the same generation. He's African American and I'm an American of African descent. We both have lovely wives and beautiful children," Harris said. "Other than that, we've got nothing in common. I hope he loses every state."

Moderate Republican Edward Brooke, who blazed his own trail in Massachusetts in 1966 as the first black popularly elected U.S. senator, said he is "extremely proud and confident and joyful" to see Obama ascend. Obama sent Brooke a signed copy of his book, inscribed, "Thank you for paving the way," and Brooke sent his own signed book to Obama, calling the presumed Democratic nominee "a worthy bearer of the torch."

Brooke, who now lives in Florida, won't say which candidate will get his endorsement, but he does say that race won't be a factor in his decision.

"This is the most important election in our history," Brooke said. "And with the world in the condition that it is, I think we've got to get the best person we can get."

Williams, the commentator, says his 82-year-old mother, who also hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate, has already made up her mind.

"She is so proud of Senator Barack Obama, and she has made it clear to all of us that she's voting for him in November," Williams relates. "That is historic. Every time I call her, she asks, 'How's Obama doing?' They feel as if they are a part of this. Because she said, given the history of this country, she never thought she'd ever live to see this moment."
 
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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2008, 06:22:01 PM »
I thought everyone here was saying no one votes based on color...except for 90% of the black population.

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2008, 07:01:50 PM »
I thought everyone here was saying no one votes based on color...except for 90% of the black population.

I wonder if 90% or more of the white population historically voted for a white candidate?   ;D

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 11:05:08 AM »
I don't understand republicans voting for Obama.  He represents the exact opposite end of the spectrum.  These black republicans either do not like McCain, or they are voting Obama based on his race.  There isn't another reasonable way to look at this.

I hope black conservatives have a bigger voice in the comming yrs.  The republicans need to make more minority republicans visible to the public.  There also needs to be a back to the constitution and real economic conservatism in the party instead of the Bush politics and focus right wing agendas.

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 11:08:02 AM »
Black Conservative ¿  ???

A black person  who growing up ws discriminated against  and post 911 breathed a sigh of relief and gleefully and with great zeal joined the anti muslim bandwagon.. ;D  a-la..thankgod the i'm off the friggin hook! now i can do to others what ws done to me for eons!

and since muslim is not a race its politically a-ok!
carpe` vaginum!

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 11:12:20 AM »
Oz, I truely feel many conservative and moderate whites would back a conservative or moderate black presidential candidate (I certainly would).  In fact, Obama is winning because of white democrats.
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don't like to type these things cause I hate to offend anyone who misinterprets, but there have been studies that show (in general) black Americans have higher rates of prejudice against other races compared to white Americans.  I don't find this surprising based on the history of the country and its racist past.  I just heard a lady speak on this who was involved in federally funded studies over the past 25 yrs.  She also said that black minorities have more prejudice feelings against other minorities compared to how whites feel about minorities (she included asians, hispanics and blacks).
The good thing was that there has been a steady decrease in all prejudice from all peoples in the last 25 yrs!!

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 12:08:20 PM »
I wonder if 90% or more of the white population historically voted for a white candidate?   ;D

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 02:28:15 PM »
I wonder if 90% or more of the white population historically voted for a white candidate?   ;D

most likely since the constitution once stated you must own land in order to vote.

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 02:53:05 PM »
Oz, I truely feel many conservative and moderate whites would back a conservative or moderate black presidential candidate (I certainly would).  In fact, Obama is winning because of white democrats.


I agree.  He could get 100 percent of the "black vote" and still lose pretty badly in November.

On the other hand, Hillary did beat him up in some white enclaves.  That will be trouble for Obama in November. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 03:13:23 PM »
I agree.  He could get 100 percent of the "black vote" and still lose pretty badly in November.

Exactly. I wonder if people who rave about the 'black vote' being such a whammy are mathematically retarded?

A quick look at general population, not reg voters, shows about 38 million blacks. Whites like 250 million. Studies put the racist white crowd who claim they won't vote for a black guy all over the place, lowest around 30%  - meaning 70 million who might potentially vote againest race, double the amount. If we drop the lowest study done by half down to 15% [lol] that makes the race issue at equal - which from what I read, see, hear and have lived - 15% is a total joke and dream anyway. If anyone looks at the numbers, the man is getting mass white votes, the black population is incapable of knock out voting power by numbers alone.

Why don't the MSM ever break up the repubs votes? All the dem primaries were lead with that 1950's specific race/gender crap, repubs did not? Anyone fill me in on that?


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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 03:16:43 PM »
Exactly. I wonder if people who rave about the 'black vote' being such a whammy are mathematically retarded?

A quick look at general population, not reg voters, shows about 38 million blacks. Whites like 250 million. Studies put the racist white crowd who claim they won't vote for a black guy all over the place, lowest around 30%  - meaning 70 million who might potentially vote againest race, double the amount. If we drop the lowest study done by half down to 15% [lol] that makes the race issue at equal - which from what I read, see, hear and have lived - 15% is a total joke and dream anyway. If anyone looks at the numbers, the man is getting mass white votes, the black population is incapable of knock out voting power by numbers alone.

Why don't the MSM ever break up the repubs votes? All the dem primaries were lead with that 1950's specific race/gender crap, repubs did not? Anyone fill me in on that?



And . . . if you factor in the dilution of the races through intermarriage, the "black vote" is even smaller. 

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 03:20:48 PM »
And . . . if you factor in the dilution of the races through intermarriage, the "black vote" is even smaller. 

Cue BB giving himself the "in" to use a derogatory racist term in his response to the next post.

when was the last time you were in a room full of Halfrican Americans? 

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 03:23:05 PM »
And . . . if you factor in the dilution of the races through intermarriage, the "black vote" is even smaller. 

Precisely.

BB or 240, do you know why the repubs don't have all that stupid reporting about race/gender? I don't think [?] I saw it once? I don't know why?

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 03:32:42 PM »
Precisely.

BB or 240, do you know why the repubs don't have all that stupid reporting about race/gender? I don't think [?] I saw it once? I don't know why?


What reporting? 

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2008, 03:42:03 PM »
What reporting? 

Um, everywhere. Websites, TV etc. Like Obama got XX black vote and only XX of women. Hillary got XXX young vote and XXX hispanic. Exit polls show only XXX of white people voted Obama. Obama is weak on the Hispanic vote yadda yadda. Everywhere, thousands of times.

Don't really see it with repubs? Never heard of Romney getting XXX of the black vote and Huck getting XXX of female vote etc. With the dems it was nonstop.

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2008, 04:27:50 PM »
Um, everywhere. Websites, TV etc. Like Obama got XX black vote and only XX of women. Hillary got XXX young vote and XXX hispanic. Exit polls show only XXX of white people voted Obama. Obama is weak on the Hispanic vote yadda yadda. Everywhere, thousands of times.

Don't really see it with repubs? Never heard of Romney getting XXX of the black vote and Huck getting XXX of female vote etc. With the dems it was nonstop.

Ah so.  Wasn't sure what you were talking about.  I don't think either party releases race-based stats.  That's a media thing. 

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2008, 05:14:03 PM »
I'm conflicted because they both suck ass.

Voting for someone just because they're black would just be embarrassing to me.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2008, 09:35:04 PM »
I don't understand republicans voting for Obama.  He represents the exact opposite end of the spectrum.  These black republicans either do not like McCain, or they are voting Obama based on his race.  There isn't another reasonable way to look at this.

I hope black conservatives have a bigger voice in the comming yrs.  The republicans need to make more minority republicans visible to the public.  There also needs to be a back to the constitution and real economic conservatism in the party instead of the Bush politics and focus right wing agendas.

What's happened in the last 7 years of Bush-Cheney is that Black conservatives have been reminded that we're Blacks first, Americans second.  It may be unfortunate, but it is the reality. 

Obama is much further left than I would ever want in a President, but I believe we (speaking of all moderates/moderate conservatives here, regardless of race) have the ability to move him closer to center...and I believe we can see that begin to take shape before November.  You will note that this weekend's big news is his promise of a 'middle class tax cut'. 

I openly supported Obama in the primaries, but heading into November, McCain has been my guy.  But I have to be honest with you guys...it's going to be increasingly difficult to back McCain unless he is able to completely divorce himself from Bush-Cheney.

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2008, 09:49:27 PM »
What's happened in the last 7 years of Bush-Cheney is that Black conservatives have been reminded that we're Blacks first, Americans second.  It may be unfortunate, but it is the reality. 

Obama is much further left than I would ever want in a President, but I believe we (speaking of all moderates/moderate conservatives here, regardless of race) have the ability to move him closer to center...and I believe we can see that begin to take shape before November.  You will note that this weekend's big news is his promise of a 'middle class tax cut'. 

I openly supported Obama in the primaries, but heading into November, McCain has been my guy.  But I have to be honest with you guys...it's going to be increasingly difficult to back McCain unless he is able to completely divorce himself from Bush-Cheney.

"divorce himself from Bush-Cheney"....LMAO.  Huh? 

Care to explain how he can do that or better yet how is is married to Bush-Cheney?

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2008, 10:37:34 PM »
"divorce himself from Bush-Cheney"....LMAO.  Huh? 

Care to explain how he can do that or better yet how is is married to Bush-Cheney?

I'm challenging him to do what he feels he cannot do...and that is to criticize even one (failed) policy of the sitting President who has already given him his endorsement. 

What we have to know is that he's charting a new course for America...not continuing with more of the same. 

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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2008, 08:43:02 AM »
"What's happened in the last 7 years of Bush-Cheney is that Black conservatives have been reminded that we're Blacks first, Americans second.  It may be unfortunate, but it is the reality". 

That sucks.  Bush really f'ed some things up in this country.  Tre, what is your opinion on Ron Paul and what he's trying to do?

I think Obama will now move to the center publicly in order to get the moderate dems and independents for November.  He's already got all the lefties, the youth vote and the utopia idealists.  This is the time for centrist pandering...however, we have to look at his history to see that he is not the moderate that he will try to appear to be for the next few months.  We only have a 3-4yr hx of his senate record but all liberal votes when he voted other than 'present'.  I also think there is a set up for disaster, in that we may have a far left democratic president and a democratic senate majority.  I hope he proves me wrong and he does change...but I doubt it.


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Re: Black conservatives conflicted on Obama campaign
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2008, 08:50:10 AM »
Care to explain how he can do that or better yet how is is married to Bush-Cheney?

McCain voted with Bush 95% in 2007