Has one group had so much power as Tea Party Republicans?

[MB]

sure, i agree. Where should the spending decreases come from? what do you think is in the best interest of the majority of americans, people like you, unless you are making over 250,000. seriously what areas would you cut?

Personally, I would make severe cuts across the board and eliminate whole entities like the Dept of Education.  Everyone has their preference of where to spend, but the real issue is spending within our means (balanced budget).  The Dems will favor entitlements, the Repubs will favor defense, but just spend within a balanced budget.

[240 is Back]

Is a 10% federal sales tax going to discourage a wealthy person from buying a yacht?  Perhaps, but I would argue that freeing him/her up from all the other taxes would put them in a position to spend.  

how much more will they really spend?  I mean, we're talking about 1/4 of the nation spending 15 or 15% LESS - FROM NOW ON.

That's huge.  Are the wealthy - who already have a shitload of money in stocks and properties - going to suddenly cover their arms with bling and purchase 15 new BMWs, because their annual income just went from 2.2 million to 2.8 million?  Probably not.

but you can know with certainty that the bottom quarter of americans - who already put 100% of their income right back into the GDP - will stop doing so.

if it was beneficial, the rich would have gotten their way by now on it.  They know what happens when 80 million Joe SixPacks only have $75 to spend at walmart each week instead of $90.

[tu_holmes]

It's not the government's job to redistribute wealth.  A person making 10k/year has chosen that lifestyle.  Each individual has to accept responsibility for their own welfare.  A truly fair tax system does not discriminate based on wealth, ie flat tax or sales tax. 

So every poor person is poor because of what they choose.

Gotcha.

[MB]

So every poor person is poor because of what they choose.

Gotcha.

We all have choices, poor people tend to make bad choices. 

[Kazan]

So every poor person is poor because of what they choose.

Gotcha.

Probably because they made poor life decisions, but that is their personal responsibility. I fail to see what good all these "entitlement' programs have done, other than buy votes for politicians.

[Fury]

A national sales tax is the way to go. That way every asshole has skin in the game and can determine how much they pay in taxes. A flat tax was almost accomplished before....and then was subsequently obliterated by two decades of Democrats chipping away at it...leaving us with the 16,000 page abomination we have today.




It says a lot about this country when a group that wants to uphold the constitution is labeled "extremist". 

[Kazan]

A national sales tax is the way to go. That way every asshole has skin in the game and can determine how much they pay in taxes. A flat tax was almost accomplished before....and then was subsequently obliterated by two decades of Democrats chipping away at it...leaving us with the 16,000 page abomination we have today.




It says a lot about this country when a group that wants to uphold the constitution is labeled "extremist". 

Thats because if DC was actually forced to follow the constitution they would be fucked

[Fury]

Thats because if DC was actually forced to follow the constitution they would be fucked

Sad, isn't it?

I personally couldn't care less about their religious views (which isn't a consensus among the Tea Party anyway). Their economic stance is all that matters. They're the only ones who would actually not like to see this country driven off the economic cliff the regime in the WH has us headed for.

[tu_holmes]

A national sales tax is the way to go. That way every asshole has skin in the game and can determine how much they pay in taxes. A flat tax was almost accomplished before....and then was subsequently obliterated by two decades of Democrats chipping away at it...leaving us with the 16,000 page abomination we have today.




It says a lot about this country when a group that wants to uphold the constitution is labeled "extremist". 

I agree with the Tea Party about most of their fiscal beliefs in general, it is unfortunate that they have some of the more godly kooks speaking for them.

Surely there are better role models in the party?

[Fury]

I agree with the Tea Party about most of their fiscal beliefs in general, it is unfortunate that they have some of the more godly kooks speaking for them.

Surely there are better role models in the party?

Ron Paul

[whork25]

Ron Paul

If RP gets the nomination i think both left and-rightwing media will start attacking him. No way Wall Street wants this guy in office

[Fury]

Do you bite your tongue as you're typing these pro-tea party posts, Blacken? Fuck off.

[tu_holmes]

Ron Paul

I agree, but yet all of the media seems to hate the guy... I just don't get it.

[Kazan]

I agree, but yet all of the media seems to hate the guy... I just don't get it.

Because he is anti-status quo, can't fuck with business as usual

[Roger Bacon]

he outlined several times, decreased spending with increased revenue by closing tax benefits to the rich.

if obama is bad it doesnt make the tea party good, this is a logical fallacy, they are not the default like you want people to believe.

I don't really like the Tea Party people minus the Ron Paul types.  I do like what the Tea Party is trying to do, (or what they're suppose to be trying to do).

[Soul Crusher]

At least someone is trying to stop the spending spree.

[tonymctones]

LOL at ppl complaining about fairness when 50% of the population pays no income tax...this is like being for Affirmative action...arguing for discrimination by using discrimination...

a Value Added Tax is the fairest way, 180 you feel these ppl are going to spend less?

your idiot ass already thinks they spend 100% of their income so what makes you feel they will change their spending habits?

you guys want to continue taxing the shit out of ppl and then wonder why they move operations to countries with LOWER COSTS???

fuking seriously?

[Dos Equis]

LOL at ppl complaining about fairness when 50% of the population pays no income tax...

Ain't that the truth.  That whole "balancing the budget on the backs of the poor or middle class" is pretty tired.  And false. 

[Soul Crusher]

Ain't that the truth.  That whole "balancing the budget on the backs of the poor or middle class" is pretty tired.  And false. 

It's more lies and bs from that vile thug Obama.

[George Whorewell]

Does anyone else think that this necrophiliac fagg is really "The Luke" posting as a gimmick?


How anyone with an ounce of intelligence or intellectual honesty could support the liberal agenda under these circumstances is beyond all comprehension.

I guess the "fairness" and "social justice" agenda needs to be taken to the root of the problem--> MATH

Since the beginning of time and every single day across the world, numbers don't add up to amounts that everyone would like. The solution is simple. Abolish math. No more inequalities among our fellow citizens. No more bank accounts. No more numbers period. This will abolish class distinctions and permanently balance the budget. Also, no more test scores, salaries, business transactions or greed! The utopia we have always dreamed of will come true!

[240 is Back]

A flat tax was almost accomplished before....and then was subsequently obliterated by two decades of Democrats chipping away at it

When?

Bush did whatever he wanted in office.  If the repubs had wanted a flat tax, they would have gotten it.  bush was incredibly effective at getting his way. 

Rich people talk about it, middle class loves it... but the truth is, consumption would plummet.

[George Whorewell]

When?

Bush did whatever he wanted in office.  If the repubs had wanted a flat tax, they would have gotten it.  bush was incredibly effective at getting his way. 

Rich people talk about it, middle class loves it... but the truth is, consumption would plummet.

Really?

Is that why when Bush pushed for entitlement reform on numerous occasions ( most recently in 07') he was squashed flatly?

How about the push to reform Fanny and Freddie?

You do realize that the GOP lost Congress while Bush was in office right?

[MCWAY]

do you actually support this nutty group? the are christian fundamentalist that literally believe in the bible for the majority. They believe noah lived to 600, that eve came from adams rib and that the world in only 6000 years old. Being so polarized is not good, they are unwilling to negotiate and have absolutes which are unfair to the middle class. Obama has agreed to making cuts, where do you get your info, he is willing to compromise, it is the other side that will not budge. The tax hikes will not effect the middle class as proposed, only the ultra rich like obama who has stated he can afford to help much more. What is wrong with your mind? are you so brainwashed that logic no longer sways you?

If Obama can afford to pay more, WHY DOESN'T HE (or any other "tax and spend", "pay your fair share" liberal) GO AHEAD AND DO SO? Is "Turbo Tax Timmy" not accepting checks or something?

[tonymctones]

When?

Bush did whatever he wanted in office.  If the repubs had wanted a flat tax, they would have gotten it.  bush was incredibly effective at getting his way. 

Rich people talk about it, middle class loves it... but the truth is, consumption would plummet.

why do you feel the consumption would plummet 240?

youve already said that they poor spend 100% of their income and the rich dont spend much...

[Soul Crusher]

why do you feel the consumption would plummet 240?

youve already said that they poor spend 100% of their income and the rich dont spend much...

We want consumption to go down.  we need more production, not consumption.