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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: G o a t b o y on April 25, 2008, 06:07:18 AM
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Israel's ambasador calls Jimmy Carter a "bigot" because he met with Hamas in his efforts to bring peace to the Middle East...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/un_israeli_ambassador
That's right, Jimmy Carter, mister peace, Nobel prize winner, probably the most tolerant guy on the planet is now a "bigot" according to the Israelis because he met with someone they don't like.
The Zionists are working overtime. :-\
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Who cares? You two intellectual elitists need to meet up and blow each other.
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Who cares? You two intellectual elitists need to meet up and blow each other.
I hear you dont let any cock pass you without blowing it "BroadStreetBruiser"
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I believe Mr. Tolerance was also ok with Al-Qaeda, Nazis, Jack the Ripper, and the Gooch from Different Strokes. All-around swell guy.
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Hamas is elected by the couregous palestinian people, they deserve to be heard.
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I figured Matt would "appreciate" this more!
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Who cares? You two intellectual elitists need to meet up and blow each other.
If it hadnt been for intellectual elitists, you'd still be living the lifestyle of the Amish people ;)
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I believe Mr. Tolerance was also ok with Al-Qaeda, Nazis, Jack the Ripper, and the Gooch from Different Strokes. All-around swell guy.
He isn't "okay" with Hamas, he just believes that to resolve conflicts, you need to talk to all sides to try to work out an agreement. I'm not saying I agree with this approach, but it hardly makes him a bigot... if anything, just the opposite.
My point is, the Israelis will trot out the "bigot" or "racist" labels on anyone they don't like, and it's the ultimate irony trying to use those labels with a guy like Jimmy Carter, FFS. ::)
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He isn't "okay" with Hamas, he just believes that to resolve conflicts, you need to talk to all sides to try to work out an agreement. I'm not saying I agree with this approach, but it hardly makes him a bigot... if anything, just the opposite.
My point is, the Israelis will trot out the "bigot" or "racist" labels on anyone they don't like, and it's the ultimate irony trying to use those labels with a guy like Jimmy Carter, FFS. ::)
exactly.
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I figured Matt would "appreciate" this more!
Mike: Are you saying that Matt would like to sit on that?
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Mike: Are you saying that Matt would like to sit on that?
Bingo!
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Bingo!
lol...interesting. Maybe MattT and MattC could get together? I think we might have a love connection here.
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why picking so hard on Matt, he never denied he expirimented with guys, its all behind him now.
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why picking so hard on Matt, he never denied he expirimented with guys, its all behind him now.
he's the twink from those gay instructional videos?RIGHT!
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he never denied he expirimented with guys, its all behind him now.
Just as all those guys were. During all those "experiments" he never got to play at being the engine driver and always got the reach around.
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why picking so hard on Matt, he never denied he expirimented with guys, its all behind him now.
yea i guess ur right................... ....
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My point is, the Israelis will trot out the "bigot" or "racist" labels on anyone they don't like, and it's the ultimate irony trying to use those labels with a guy like Jimmy Carter, FFS. ::)
I got your point. My point was fuck Jimmy Carter.
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Who cares? You two intellectual elitists need to meet up and blow each other.
hahahhaa, uh oh sounds like we've got a lover of Israel here.
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Check out this media spin on Israeli terrorism:
Whether you in the USA want to admit it or not, your country is hated by the rest of the world. If you were to go backpacking anywhere in the world with a US flag on your back, you could very likely be killed. Why? Because Israel uses the USA as a proxy for their terrorism.
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Check out this media spin on Israeli terrorism:
Whether you in the USA want to admit it or not, your country is hated by the rest of the world. If you were to go backpacking anywhere in the world with a US flag on your back, you could very likely be killed. Why? Because Israel uses the USA as a proxy for their terrorism.
truest statement you'll EVER read on here.
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smart way to do things... eliminate the competition by all means, slander, discredit, name calling...
very childish but it works phenomenally well
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Israel is one of the biggest "agressors" and sponsors of terroism on the planet, but are portrayed as victims.
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Israel is one of the biggest "agressors" and sponsors of terroism on the planet, but are portrayed as victims.
as long as they're killing muslims who gives a fuck
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as long as they're killing muslims who gives a fuck
;D
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Whether you in the USA want to admit it or not, your country is hated by the rest of the world.
Whether you in Santa's Village want to admit it or not, most people think your homeland is a dog.
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as long as they're killing muslims who gives a fuck
all the millions of muslim refugees flowing into europe and america was a problem?
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If it hadnt been for intellectual elitists, you'd still be living the lifestyle of the Amish people ;)
Get to know me. You would be surprised how much I would prefer that life.
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all the millions of muslim refugees flowing into europe and america was a problem?
kill them too........then they won't be refugees
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Love 'em or hate 'em, the Mossad kicks some serious ass. 8)
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Carter hates America.
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Carter hates America.
(http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/badboymedz/th_checkit.gif)
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as long as they're killing muslims who gives a fuck
I don't care what they do to the Muslims. I do care when they do things that tend to curtail free speech in the West.
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Carter hates America.
This thread isn't about Carter and his merits... personally I think he was a terrible President... this is about the hypocrisy of Israel and their sycophants here in America.
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This thread isn't about Carter and his merits... personally I think he was a terrible President... this is about the hypocrisy of Israel and their sycophants here in America.
I thought it was about Lee Priest.
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This thread is usless w/o pictures.
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This thread is usless w/o pictures.
:)
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I don't care what they do to the Muslims. I do care when they do things that tend to curtail free speech in the West.
Exactly. Especially in Europe, muslims are fucking vermin, and they cause HUGE problems compared to every other religious group, even though they are a small small minority in every country (3%). People have already started torching their mosques in the Netherlands, and the trend will probably develop further.
The same goes for other low IQ immigrants in Europe that can't behave. Especially people from Africa, they are overrepresented on the crime statistics (probably linked to low IQ ;D). (and that ain't a racist statement, its just the proveable facts)
Throw them out and go for quality non muslim immigrants from India or the oriental countries with education, better intelligence and the ability to behave or something. The worse the average quality of the citizens becomes, the worse a society becomes, and flooding Europe with 3rd world degenerates with no skill and lots of ability to create mayhem = not very clever.
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This thread isn't about Carter and his merits... personally I think he was a terrible President... this is about the hypocrisy of Israel and their sycophants here in America.
Since Hamas is admittedly doing TERROR acts than meeting with is accepting their ways and telling them its a legitimate way to get their goals.
Thats why there is a strict no dealing with terrorists policy worldwide.
Now regarding Gaza....you all make me laugh, first you should all go back and check who is supplying Gaza its food,medicine,jobs,electricity,money and more.
Than see what they give Israel in return....dozens of missiles everyday and massive terror activity.
Those "innocent" kids that you talk of use rocks,guns,Molotov cocktails and much more on border patrols. If it happend anywhere else they would get shot in the head, instead Israel uses rubber bullets.
BTW have you ever heard of the "RPG children"? Adults in the Gaza strip give small children RPG launchers to use because they know soldiers wont shot at them...OH did I forgot to say the children die from the massive recoil?
They are disposable units to them.
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Joos constantly decry the behavior of Nazis to this very day.....however, their behavior towards Palestinians is absolutely no different. Zionists need to be put in check and we (US) need to stop acting as their puppet
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Since Hamas is admittedly doing TERROR acts than meeting with is accepting their ways and telling them its a legitimate way to get their goals.
Thats why there is a strict no dealing with terrorists policy worldwide.
Now regarding Gaza....you all make me laugh, first you should all go back and check who is supplying Gaza its food,medicine,jobs,electricity,money and more.
Than see what they give Israel in return....dozens of missiles everyday and massive terror activity.
Those "innocent" kids that you talk of use rocks,guns,Molotov cocktails and much more on border patrols. If it happend anywhere else they would get shot in the head, instead Israel uses rubber bullets.
BTW have you ever heard of the "RPG children"? Adults in the Gaza strip give small children RPG launchers to use because they know soldiers wont shot at them...OH did I forgot to say the children die from the massive recoil?
They are disposable units to them.
Quoted for perspective.
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Joos constantly decry the behavior of Nazis to this very day.....however, their behavior towards Palestinians is absolutely no different. Zionists need to be put in check and we (US) need to stop acting as their puppet
You have NO base for such claim, you should do some research.
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You have NO base for such claim, you should do some research.
hi john hagee.
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hi john hagee.
Hi little bitch, 12K posts....you are living the life arent you? ::)
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Joos constantly decry the behavior of Nazis to this very day.....however, their behavior towards Palestinians is absolutely no different. Zionists need to be put in check and we (US) need to stop acting as their puppet
EXACTLY.
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EXACTLY.
Since Hamas is admittedly doing TERROR acts than meeting with is accepting their ways and telling them its a legitimate way to get their goals.
Thats why there is a strict no dealing with terrorists policy worldwide.
Now regarding Gaza....you all make me laugh, first you should all go back and check who is supplying Gaza its food,medicine,jobs,electricity,money and more.
Than see what they give Israel in return....dozens of missiles everyday and massive terror activity.
Those "innocent" kids that you talk of use rocks,guns,Molotov cocktails and much more on border patrols. If it happend anywhere else they would get shot in the head, instead Israel uses rubber bullets.
BTW have you ever heard of the "RPG children"? Adults in the Gaza strip give small children RPG launchers to use because they know soldiers wont shot at them...OH did I forgot to say the children die from the massive recoil?
They are disposable units to them.
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just because some anonymous internet clown says something you believe it?
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just because some anonymous internet clown says something you believe it?
Yes.
Can you prove otherwise?
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Yes.
Can you prove otherwise?
can you prove that it's true?
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just because some anonymous internet clown says something you believe it?
Joos constantly decry the behavior of Nazis to this very day.....however, their behavior towards Palestinians is absolutely no different. Zionists need to be put in check and we (US) need to stop acting as their puppet
EXACTLY.
Kettle, meet pot.
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can you prove that it's true?
Lets see;
1.Hamas admitting to terror acts - just Youtube it - check.
2.Israel suppplying just about everything to Gaza - are you kidding me? where do you think it comes from than? - simple Google will find you plenty of data - check.
3.RPG kids - plenty of videos that show how Arabs love to use their children as disposable units, is that new to you?
Youtube/Google will provide you plenty of evidence to that - check.
Now I have given you simple examples and methods to verify them, my sources have a somewhat more hands on experience with these subjects.
Now please tell me which country doesn't let it troops return with live fire when they are under attack? Instead they risk their life and return with shitty rubber bullets.
Which country doesn't drop tons of bombs on the area of which rockets are fired on its CIVILIAN population on a DAILY basis for YEARS?
Now go back and rethink your Nazi statement, let me guess your reply will be ha ha 14" arms on some soldier picture ::)
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Hi little bitch, 12K posts....you are living the life arent you? ::)
No need to be mean to Mars. Why are you being mean to him?
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No need to be mean to Mars. Why are you being mean to him?
Ok Mr.14K of talking about bodybuilders height and trying to prove you are smart ::)
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No need to be mean to Mars. Why are you being mean to him?
Ok Mr.14K of talking about bodybuilders height and trying to prove you are smart ::)
This thread has potential ;D
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Hi little bitch, 12K posts....you are living the life arent you? ::)
I hate Palestinians just as much as you, but you fuck with Mars and you will literally get fucked in the ass. >:(
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this all thread is a mute argument since as you asll know im very involved politically and right now the state of isreal is practially more important to usa than puerto rico,,you can officially describe now days the state of israel as the 51 state of the usa why?
look closely and you will notice that the bush goverment in about 12 months or so will be signed by mccain ofcourse since he is a generator of this idea (will also be signed by the demon or the brother if they had chance to be president),,and will approve by congress of usa since many working on it ....look closely and yuo will see that the american goverment decided to COMPLTELEY AND UTTERLY DIMINISH THE NEED OF VISA FOR ISRAELI PEOPLE,,what it means is that there will be no more the need of visa to come and go from america people of the state of isreal which is similar to canadians etc but! the offer is still stands to israel to become the 51 state of usa ,,its stand already 15 years to this date,,israel refuses because it will mean american military while israel wants its milatary and jewish charestaristics remained,,
right now practically israel and usa is one,,they are same people and they are the closest thing 2 countries can get,miliatrily usa and israel plan all militery operations together when it comes to mid east and even world wide,,britain is close second but also in the loop in most operations
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Get to know me. You would be surprised how much I would prefer that life.
I didn't know Amish people played PS3.
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I didn't know Amish people played PS3.
Only on Saturday
GTA 5: Amish Country
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this all thread is a mute argument since as you asll know im very involved politically and right now the state of isreal is practially more important to usa than puerto rico,,you can officially describe now days the state of israel as the 51 state of the usa why?
look closely and you will notice that the bush goverment in about 12 months or so will be signed by mccain ofcourse since he is a generator of this idea (will also be signed by the demon or the brother if they had chance to be president),,and will approve by congress of usa since many working on it ....look closely and yuo will see that the american goverment decided to COMPLTELEY AND UTTERLY DIMINISH THE NEED OF VISA FOR ISRAELI PEOPLE,,what it means is that there will be no more the need of visa to come and go from america people of the state of isreal which is similar to canadians etc but! the offer is still stands to israel to become the 51 state of usa ,,its stand already 15 years to this date,,israel refuses because it will mean american military while israel wants its milatary and jewish charestaristics remained,,
right now practically israel and usa is one,,they are same people and they are the closest thing 2 countries can get,miliatrily usa and israel plan all militery operations together when it comes to mid east and even world wide,,britain is close second but also in the loop in most operations
GH15...if Israel were to literally become Part of the USA...would you say that it would then be UNTOUCHABLE by all hostile forces?
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I hate Palestinians just as much as you, but you fuck with Mars and you will literally get fucked in the ass. >:(
Please tell me when I should start being afraid because I missed that part.
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Israel's ambasador calls Jimmy Carter a "bigot" because he met with Hamas in his efforts to bring peace to the Middle East...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/un_israeli_ambassador
That's right, Jimmy Carter, mister peace, Nobel prize winner, probably the most tolerant guy on the planet is now a "bigot" according to the Israelis because he met with someone they don't like.
The Zionists are working overtime. :-\
No. Just politics as usual.
/today's terrorist is tomorrow's freedom fighter, etc. :-\
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this all thread is a mute argument since as you asll know im very involved politically and right now the state of isreal is practially more important to usa than puerto rico,,you can officially describe now days the state of israel as the 51 state of the usa why?
look closely and you will notice that the bush goverment in about 12 months or so will be signed by mccain ofcourse since he is a generator of this idea (will also be signed by the demon or the brother if they had chance to be president),,and will approve by congress of usa since many working on it ....look closely and yuo will see that the american goverment decided to COMPLTELEY AND UTTERLY DIMINISH THE NEED OF VISA FOR ISRAELI PEOPLE,,what it means is that there will be no more the need of visa to come and go from america people of the state of isreal which is similar to canadians etc but! the offer is still stands to israel to become the 51 state of usa ,,its stand already 15 years to this date,,israel refuses because it will mean american military while israel wants its milatary and jewish charestaristics remained,,
right now practically israel and usa is one,,they are same people and they are the closest thing 2 countries can get,miliatrily usa and israel plan all militery operations together when it comes to mid east and even world wide,,britain is close second but also in the loop in most operations
Stick to the pharma advice, gh. ;)
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GH15...if Israel were to literally become Part of the USA...would you say that it would then be UNTOUCHABLE by all hostile forces?
they cant be touched because they have if im not mistaken over 400 nuclear missile and second only to usa and old ussr ,,isreal is usa ,,one in the same,,for some reason america loves israel ,,its not only because jews lives in america ,,it is something biblistic ,,americans really love israel ,,they truly do
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Ok Mr.14K of talking about bodybuilders height and trying to prove you are smart ::)
Why are you being mean to me?
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Why are you being mean to me?
What part of what he said, don't you understand....? ;)
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they cant be touched because they have if im not mistaken over 400 nuclear missile and second only to usa and old ussr ,,isreal is usa ,,one in the same,,for some reason america loves israel ,,its not only because jews lives in america ,,it is something biblistic ,,americans really love israel ,,they truly do
Understood...but you still have missles and such being fired at them. What I am asking is if they became part of USA, would their enemies look at any type of attack on Israel as an attack on USA, thus incurring our wrath?
Moosejay
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Please tell me when I should start being afraid because I missed that part.
You have to be fucking kidding me. My fingers are shaking every time I log on to my account.
IT'S GETBIG, BABY!
SERIUOS BUSINESS
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What part of what he said, don't you understand....? ;)
I don't understand the part where he was mean to me. :-\
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By the way, GH15...since you are a pro...please give me your opinion on my contest form from some years ago, if you would...
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Since Hamas is admittedly doing TERROR acts than meeting with is accepting their ways and telling them its a legitimate way to get their goals.
Thats why there is a strict no dealing with terrorists policy worldwide.
Now regarding Gaza....you all make me laugh, first you should all go back and check who is supplying Gaza its food,medicine,jobs,electricity,money and more.
Than see what they give Israel in return....dozens of missiles everyday and massive terror activity.
Those "innocent" kids that you talk of use rocks,guns,Molotov cocktails and much more on border patrols. If it happend anywhere else they would get shot in the head, instead Israel uses rubber bullets.
BTW have you ever heard of the "RPG children"? Adults in the Gaza strip give small children RPG launchers to use because they know soldiers wont shot at them...OH did I forgot to say the children die from the massive recoil?
They are disposable units to them.
Your comments clearly show you're missing the point of my posts in this thread. Your remarks seem as though you think I'm taking the Palestinian's side in the conflict or something. I'm not. My ONLY point here is that Israel pulls the "racist" card on anyone in the west who does anything they don't like. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I don't understand the part where he was mean to me. :-\
Ah, the power of the emoticon...'Harden the f*ck up.' :D
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Ah, the power of the emoticon...'Harden the f*ck up.' :D
I'd give anything for IFBBwannaB to stop being mean to me. Can you help me?
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I'd give anything for IFBBwannaB to stop being mean to me. Can you help me?
Matt...I get along with everyone and amused by some of the vitriol spewed here. You have been here long enough to just let it ride... :)
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Understood...but you still have missles and such being fired at them. What I am asking is if they became part of USA, would their enemies look at any type of attack on Israel as an attack on USA, thus incurring our wrath?
Moosejay
the arab world already see israel and usa as one,,thats because they are one,,whenever israel does something usa already knows about it because a green light needs to come from president of usa,,usa uses israel for specific tactical missions that neded to achieve if usa cant do it and is involved with other things bigger and more complicated,,
the enemy always see isreal and america as one and they america is big satan and israel its the little sister small satan,,most terorists which are arabs in origin want usa to stop from exsistance and ofcourse want israel to stop from exsistantce too since the 2 places are very similar in their major democratic attitude and openeness for whatever you wish and want to do ,,both countries are torch of democracy same for britain by the way,,
the arbs know that american sons ,,their blood was slautered while they were fighting against nazy germany inorder to save jews and the world,,the american people good and bad NEVER EVER FORGET WHAT THEY SACRIFICED and they sacrificed the lives of 100s of thousands of sons to save something that became the state of isreal,,america and israel the same,,many granpas and gran granpas of people who sit here and write on getbig died and gave their blood for the jews to be free,,usa and israel is one in the same
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Thanks, GH15.
So...just how far will Arabs go to see, as you say, Israel and USA disappear?
And please check my photos a few posts above!
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1) If I post a YouTube clip of me solving the Rubik's cube will people stop being mean to me? :'(
2) Who here can solve it? ;D
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Your comments clearly show you're missing the point of my posts in this thread. Your remarks seem as though you think I'm taking the Palestinian's side in the conflict or something. I'm not. My ONLY point here is that Israel pulls the "racist" card on anyone in the west who does anything they don't like. Nothing more, nothing less.
I thought you were an advocate of free speech? Isn't calling him a racist or anything else is just free speech?
Besides, like I said before if he associates with terrorist who are admittedly racists and antisemitic is guilty by association. You wont go for dinner at a know KKK leader house and expect no one to form some kind of opinion on you when you come out don't you?
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1) If I post a YouTube clip of me solving the Rubik's cube will people stop being mean to me? :'(
2) Who here can solve it? ;D
I am never mean to you...and if you can do that that is outstanding. I can't. Really, the world needs more high-achievers...there is enough chafe out there.
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I'd give anything for IFBBwannaB to stop being mean to me. Can you help me?
No. He is a Sabra...and I have real problems, politically, with the state of Israel and how they do things (as I do with the U.S. etc.). Not the Jews, mind you, the policies. :D
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Hi little bitch, 12K posts....you are living the life arent you? ::)
a problem?
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I thought you were an advocate of free speech? Isn't calling him a racist or anything else is just free speech?
How is this a free speech issue? I never said they don't or shouldn't have the right to say whatever they want. That doesn't mean I don't have the right to use my free speech to call them on their hypocrisy in this case.
Besides, like I said before if he associates with terrorist who are admittedly racists and antisemitic is guilty by association. You wont go for dinner at a know KKK leader house and expect no one to form some kind of opinion on you when you come out don't you?
Although they are a terrorist organization (meaning they target civilians in their conflict), Hamas is hardly a "racist" organization... they are combatants on one side of a decades-long war over land. It's about land, not race. Equating them with the KKK is ridiculous. And Carter wasn't hanging our having a BBQ with them, he was talking in an attempt to reduce the violence in the Middle East. Saying that Carter is a "racist" for "associating" with Hamas in this circumstance would be like calling a cop a criminal because they "associate" with criminals while conducting investigations. ::)
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Thanks, GH15.
So...just how far will Arabs go to see, as you say, Israel and USA disappear?
And please check my photos a few posts above!
A lot of people in the west would love it if the Arab world was nuked back to the stone age. ;D
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How is this a free speech issue? I never said they don't or shouldn't have the right to say whatever they want. That doesn't mean I don't have the right to use my free speech to call them on their hypocrisy in this case.
Although they are a terrorist organization (meaning they target civilians in their conflict), Hamas is hardly a "racist" organization... they are combatants on one side of a decades-long war over land. It's about land, not race. Equating them with the KKK is ridiculous. And Carter wasn't hanging our having a BBQ with them, he was talking in an attempt to reduce the violence in the Middle East. Saying that Carter is a "racist" for "associating" with Hamas in this circumstance would be like calling a cop a criminal because they "associate" with criminals while conducting investigations. ::)
If you believe its land only dispute than you need to wake up.
They are a racist organization that like to hide behind the land claims, I wont go into a debate about the lands because its a topic on its own.
A better way to compare it with cops will be a hostage situation and as you know negotiating with kidnappers/terrorists is prohibited in general.
Besides....on what authority is he going? He is the head of what office now?
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Although they are a terrorist organization (meaning they target civilians in their conflict), Hamas is hardly a "racist" organization... they are combatants on one side of a decades-long war over land. It's about land, not race. Equating them with the KKK is ridiculous. And Carter wasn't hanging our having a BBQ with them, he was talking in an attempt to reduce the violence in the Middle East. Saying that Carter is a "racist" for "associating" with Hamas in this circumstance would be like calling a cop a criminal because they "associate" with criminals while conducting investigations. ::)
I agree that Carter is not a racist for meeting with Hamas, but there's no denying there are racial issues in the Palestinian movement. They do teach their children that jews are decendants of pigs and apes etc. etc.
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If you believe its land only dispute than you need to wake up.
They are a racist organization that like to hide behind the land claims, I wont go into a debate about the lands because its a topic on its own.
A better way to compare it with cops will be a hostage situation and as you know negotiating with kidnappers/terrorists is prohibited in general.
Besides....on what authority is he going? He is the head of what office now?
As are the Israelis who take an undue interest in archaeology because it buttresses their 'history' and land claims. Don't get me started on the Israel's hypocrisy....or I'll be here all night. And I'm really tired. >:(
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Israel = gonna be around for a long time.
Jews = smart and tough people. Arabs = dumb and dirty.
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Every country in the world should have nuclear weapons . No more bullies = lots of diplomacy.
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Every country in the world should have nuclear weapons . No more bullies = lots of diplomacy.
no way. That's like a room full of crazy people who speak different languages and they all have machine guns.
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Every country in the world should have nuclear weapons . No more bullies = lots of diplomacy.
Are you crazy? Some people ain't rational, like Islam fundamentalists and other dictators. Give shitheads like that weapons and you run a huge risk, because they are willing to sacrifice what they've got for some stupid fantasy.
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Israel = gonna be around for a long time.
Jews = smart and tough people. Arabs = dumb and dirty.
Hehe. Abba Eben noted that the Palestinians 'never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' Sad, but true. :-\
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no way. That's like a room full of crazy people who speak different languages and they all have machine guns.
Are you crazy? Some people ain't rational, like Islam fundamentalists and other dictators. Give shitheads like that weapons and you run a huge risk, because they are willing to sacrifice what they've got for some stupid fantasy.
Can someone name, the only country that ever used nuclear weapons ? Thanks in advance :)
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Can someone name, the only country that ever used nuclear weapons ? Thanks in advance :)
That's a historical fact.
The key issue here is rationality vs irrationality at the present time.
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That's a historical fact.
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HAHAAAhhAA, I'm Done :D
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Hehe. Abba Eben noted that the Palestinians 'never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' Sad, but true. :-\
They are their own worst enemy. Although their allies in the middle east will defend them passionately, I've heard that behind closed doors they can't stand them. :-\
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They are their own worst enemy. Although their allies in the middle east will defend them passionately, I've heard that behind closed doors they can't stand them. :-\
What do they really have to bring to the table? Nothing. That's why their allies reluctantly defend them.
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They are their own worst enemy. Although their allies in the middle east will defend them passionately, I've heard that behind closed doors they can't stand them. :-\
Probably true. The Saudis love having them in their backyard because it takes the heat off of their repressive regime. It's like the fuck-up sibling that makes any error you make relatively innocuous and quickly forgotten. :-\
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Hehe. Abba Eben noted that the Palestinians 'never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' Sad, but true. :-\
This is the same in many parts of the arab world, the whole civilization has declined. As Debussey wrote before, all of the Arab world (200+ million citizens) exported less merchandise than Finland (4million citizens or something) last year, if we look away from oil. They have very little going for them, little industry, and a shitload of an-alphabets. Only a few percent of the people in the arab world has ever used a computer.
This is part of the reason for the religious radicalization, that they have stagnated, and turned to religion instead, as said by some arab scholar recently.
So yes, you = correct there. They are locking themselves in with this Islam bullshit, when they should be out there improving their lives. Having no schooling or real work activity for women is NOT very clever economically speaking. Home makers ain't included in the calculations of GNP/GDP.
Spending tons of time teaching kids shit from the Koran instead of teaching them mathematics and other useful subjects is a killer for their economy. It might help support their hateful bullshit culture, but its not helping them economically at all, and as we know: Those who has the gold makes the rules.
If the average arab individual did more with his/her life in terms of education and economic stimulation, they would not be that backwards, and now they are instead being weak while becoming more and more hated by the world every day.
Hopefully, they will come to their senses, because as we know: Jews NEVER miss an opportunity ;D
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If you believe its land only dispute than you need to wake up.
They are a racist organization that like to hide behind the land claims, I wont go into a debate about the lands because its a topic on its own.
You could say the same thing of the Zionists who hate the Arabs. It's perfectly natural to "hate" your enemy in a conflict, and if the opposing sides in such a conflict are of different races or ethnicities, it's natural that a lot of racial epithets are going to get tossed around. That doesn't mean that at base the conflict is a "race" or "hate" thing. This war is about land, period. In the mid 40's a bunch of Jews with the support of the British and the UN moved from Europe to Palestine and displaced the people who were already there (the Palestinians) stealing like 80% of their land. The only problem now is, 60 years later most of the perpetrators as well as most of the victims of that act are long dead at this point. An Israeli today who was born in Israel has as much right to be there as a Palestinian who was born there. That makes it a difficult situation all around, but to act like it's a "race" thing on par with the KKK is stupid.
A better way to compare it with cops will be a hostage situation and as you know negotiating with kidnappers/terrorists is prohibited in general.
So does that mean that since the US negotiated with North Korea on the nuke thing, the US ambassador that did the negotiating is now as evil as Kim Jong Il since he "associated" with him? ::)
Besides....on what authority is he going? He is the head of what office now?
He's a private citizen who is a respected mediator worldwide... he doesn't claim to speak for the US or anyone else. Since when does a private citizen need permission to meet with anyone? ::)
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Every country in the world should have nuclear weapons . No more bullies = lots of diplomacy.
I agree man
Give nukes a chance
Can the spread of nuclear weapons make us safer?
By Drake Bennett | March 20, 2005
KENNETH N. WALTZ, adjunct professor of political science at Columbia University, doesn't like the phrase ''nuclear proliferation.'' ''The term proliferation' is a great misnomer,'' he said in a recent interview. ''It refers to things that spread like wildfire. But we've had nuclear military capabilities extant in the world for 50 years and now, even counting North Korea, we only have nine nuclear countries.''
Strictly speaking, then, Waltz is as against the proliferation of nuclear weapons as the next sane human being. After all, he argues, ''most countries don't need them.'' But the eventual acquisition of nuclear weapons by those few countries that see fit to pursue them, that he's for. As he sees it, nuclear weapons prevent wars.
''The only thing a country can do with nuclear weapons is use them for a deterrent,'' Waltz told me. ''And that makes for internal stability, that makes for peace, and that makes for cautious behavior.''
Especially in a unipolar world, argues Waltz, the possession of nuclear deterrents by smaller nations can check the disruptive ambitions of a reckless superpower. As a result, in words Waltz wrote 10 years ago and has been reiterating ever since, ''The gradual spread of nuclear weapons is more to be welcomed than feared.''
Waltz is not a crank. He is not a member of an apocalyptic death cult. He is perhaps the leading living theorist of the foreign policy realists, a school that sees world politics as an unending, amoral contest between states driven by the will to power. His 1959 book, ''Man, the State, and War,'' remains one of the most influential 20th-century works on international relations.
In recent weeks, however, the spread of nuclear weapons has taken on what might appear to be a wildfire-like quality. North Korea has just declared itself a nuclear power. Iran is in negotiations with the United States and Europe over what is widely suspected to be a secret weapons program of its own. Each could kick off a regional arms race. And North Korea in the past has sold nuclear technology to Libya and Pakistan, while Iran sponsors Hezbollah and Hamas. As the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, the backbone of nonproliferation efforts for the past 35 years, comes up for review this May, there's an increasing sense that it is failing. In such a context, Waltz's argument may seem a Panglossian rationalization of the inevitable.
Still, although heads of state, legislators, intelligence officials, and opinion columnists are nearly united in their deep concern over the world's nuclearization, the scholars who spend their time thinking about the issue are in fact deeply divided over the consequences of the spread of nuclear weapons, even to so-called ''states of concern'' like Iran and North Korea. Few among Waltz's colleagues share his unwavering confidence in the pacifying power of nuclear weapons. But plenty among them see at least some merit in the picture he paints. In part, the disagreement between Waltz and his critics is over the meaning and value of nuclear deterrence in a post-Cold War world. But it's also an argument over the motives that drive some countries to pursue nuclear weapons and others to want to keep the nuclear genie to themselves.
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Waltz spells out his theory most thoroughly in the 1995 book ''The Spread of Nuclear Weapons,'' co-written with the Stanford political scientist Scott D. Sagan in the form of an extended debate. Updated and republished two years ago to take into account the nuclearization of India and Pakistan, it contains the same arguments Waltz makes today in interviews. Put simply, a war between nuclear powers cannot be decisively won without the risk of total destruction. Since the risk of escalation in any conflict is so high, nuclear states grow cautious. ''If states can score only small gains because large ones risk retaliation,'' Waltz writes, ''they have little incentive to fight.'' When fighting does break out, it is likely to be a localized proxy conflict like the Korean War instead of, say, a Soviet invasion of Western Europe. Nuclear weapons, he adds, even blunt the urge for territorial expansion, since they contribute far more to a country's security than any geographical buffer could.
Even Graham Allison, a dean and professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and one of the country's most visible nonproliferation crusaders, concedes some of Waltz's argument. ''There's something known in the literature as a crystal ball effect,''' Allison says. ''With a nuclear war, probably most of the people living in the capital are going to be killed, including the leader and his family, so it brings it home. You have a positive effect, and you can certainly see that in the India-Pakistan relationship'' since both countries acquired their nuclear arsenals.
Yet Allison-whose latest book, the widely noted ''Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe,'' was published last August-dismisses Waltz's larger linkage between proliferation and security as ''perverse, but nonetheless interesting.'' In particular, Allison argues, the time period just after a country goes nuclear-in the case of North Korea, the present moment-is the most dangerous. This is partly because nascent nuclear nations don't have the best command and control systems for their weapons. More troubling is that historically, in every so-called nuclear ''conflict dyad''-US/USSR, USSR/China, India/Pakistan-the first of the two to go nuclear came close to launching a preemptive attack to profit from its nuclear advantage. And the precarious hold on power of the government in a nuclear nation like Pakistan only adds to the volatile mix.
Even today's long-established nuclear powers, Allison points out, may owe their continued survival as much to luck as logic. John F. Kennedy himself put the chance of nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis at one in three-odds, Allison notes, that are twice as high as those in Russian Roulette.
To share Waltz's faith in the pacifying effects of proliferation, says David Goldfischer of Denver University's Graduate School of International affairs, is to subscribe to a sort of ''nuclear theology.'' (Goldfischer is himself a proponent of what he calls Mutual Defense Emphasis-a proposed treaty regime in which nuclear arsenals would be sharply reduced and mutually acceptable missile defenses installed by opposing nuclear powers.) Waltz, Goldfischer charges, ''is utterly convinced that there's a rational core in every brain similar to his own, which will act somehow at the critical moment, and that no one will be able to reach a leadership position in any society who will make the potentially suicidal decision to launch when a massive retaliation is a certainty.'' And that doesn't begin to account for the possibility of an accidental launch or an attack by an Al Qaeda operative whose effective statelessness and hunger for martyrdom make him undeterrable.
John J. Mearsheimer, a political scientist at the University of Chicago and another preeminent realist thinker, describes himself as closer to Waltz than to Allison on the issue. Mearsheimer agrees with Waltz, for example, that nuclear states, no matter how ''rogue,'' are unlikely to give their weapons to terrorists. Whatever its sympathies, Mearsheimer argues, ''Iran is highly unlikely to give nuclear weapons to terrorists, in large part because they would be putting weapons into the hands of people who they ultimately did not control, and there's a reasonably good chance that they would get Iran incinerated'' if the weapon was traced back to the regime in Tehran.
''Any country that gave [nuclear weapons] to terrorists who would use them against the US,'' Mearsheimer adds, ''would disappear from the face of the earth.''
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The problem of ''loose nukes''-in particular, Russia's inability in the years since the Cold War to keep track of all its nuclear materials-shows that even a country's strong interest in maintaining control of its nuclear weapons is no guarantee that some won't fall into the wrong hands, raising the threat of nuclear terrorism. Nevertheless, thinkers like Waltz and Mearsheimer, with their dogged focus on the calculus of national advantage and interest, raise a question that tends to get lost in much of the news coverage of proliferation: Do nuclear states like the United States oppose proliferation simply out of concern for their citizens' safety, or is there something more strategic at work?
In Waltz's formulation, nations acquire nuclear weapons not to menace their neighbors but to protect themselves. And to the governments of North Korea and Iran, the primary threat is the United States. ''If you were making decisions for North Korea or Iran,'' Waltz asks, ''wouldn't you be deadly determined to get nuclear weapons, given American capability and American policy?''
Seen this way, the near-term proliferation threat is less to our homeland-neither North Korea or Iran, for example, has the missile technology to deliver a warhead to the continental US-than to our ability to project power and shape world affairs. The United States, in other words, worries as much about being deterred as being attacked.
''The truth is that countries that have nuclear weapons will be off-limits,'' says Mearsheimer, ''which is why [those countries] want them.''
The more nuclear nations, then, the less leverage America has. According to political scientist Robert Jervis, Waltz's colleague at Columbia, ''We can't threaten to invade them. We even will have less ability to launch really heavy covert operations.'' Even our allies, should they go nuclear, will start to distance themselves, Jervis predicts. ''If proliferation were to spread to Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia-they will obviously still need us, but not as much, and it reduces our leverage in that way as well.''
By this logic, one option for the United States would be to play down the importance of nuclear weapons. As Jervis notes, Washington's deep and vocal concern over proliferation only enhances the perceived value of such weapons. ''But we have overwhelming conventional superiority,'' says Jervis, ''and we'd be much better off if [nuclear weapons] were abolished. We should be saying they're not such a big deal. What has France gotten from its nuclear weapons?''
Ultimately, however, no amount of military might allows a country to wish away the Bomb. Whether or not nuclear weapons make the world a more dangerous place, they certainly make it a more humbling one, and their spread only narrows the options of the world's sole superpower.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/03/20/give_nukes_a_chance/?page=full (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/03/20/give_nukes_a_chance/?page=full)
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As are the Israelis who take an undue interest in archaeology because it buttresses their 'history' and land claims. Don't get me started on the Israel's hypocrisy....or I'll be here all night. And I'm really tired. >:(
You should check your history books to find out who built Jerusalem.
The Arabs need to be thankfull that Israel didn't destroyed their buildings there over a long time, they sit over the land of the great temple. I doubt the church would care if there was a Christian holy place filled with people that throw stones and Molotov cocktails over Christian prayers in the next courtyard.
The digs are too good for them, I would love to see that place destroyed but it will rise too many pussy voices.
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You could say the same thing of the Zionists who hate the Arabs. It's perfectly natural to "hate" your enemy in a conflict, and if the opposing sides in such a conflict are of different races or ethnicities, it's natural that a lot of racial epithets are going to get tossed around. That doesn't mean that at base the conflict is a "race" or "hate" thing. This war is about land, period. In the mid 40's a bunch of Jews with the support of the British and the UN moved from Europe to Palestine and displaced the people who were already there (the Palestinians) stealing like 80% of their land. The only problem now is, 60 years later most of the perpetrators as well as most of the victims of that act are long dead at this point. An Israeli today who was born in Israel has as much right to be there as a Palestinian who was born there. That makes it a difficult situation all around, but to act like it's a "race" thing on par with the KKK is stupid.
So does that mean that since the US negotiated with North Korea on the nuke thing, the US ambassador that did the negotiating is now as evil as Kim Jong Il since he "associated" with him? ::)
He's a private citizen who is a respected mediator worldwide... he doesn't claim to speak for the US or anyone else. Since when does a private citizen need permission to meet with anyone? ::)
Forget about your ideas about the land stealing, you are filled with hype and like I said I'm not touching it now as its too big for this thread.
Hamas hates Jews not only Israeli's, have you missed that?
You just awnsered yourself, Jimmy is a private citizen that want to go meet SELF PROCLAIMED TERROR leaders, he ISNT an ambassador talking to a leader of a nation in a formal and approved manor.
And YES he needs permission to associate with terror group leaders since he is a private citizen, or do you think anyone should be allowed to deal and associate with terrorists?
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You just awnsered yourself, Jimmy is a private citizen that want to go meet SELF PROCLAIMED TERROR leaders, he ISNT an ambassador talking to a leader of a nation in a formal and approved manor.
He's a recognized international mediator. He's not representing anybody, he's simply using his skills as a mediator and a respected figure whom both sides will talk to to try to broker peace.
And YES he needs permission to associate with terror group leaders since he is a private citizen, or do you think anyone should be allowed to deal and associate with terrorists?
People are not "owned" by the governments of the countries in which they reside. Jimmy Carter, (or you or I for that matter) can talk to whoever the fuck he wants to. Since when does a free person require permission from anybody? In fact, you have it exactly backwards... if he worked for the government, then he WOULD require permission... as a private citizen he doesn't.
You act as though he's planning a bombing of a cafe in Tel Aviv with Hamas or something. He's trying to talk them out of doing such things. ::)
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They are a racist organization that like to hide behind the land claims
But Jews aren't a race though, right?
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Joos constantly decry the behavior of Nazis to this very day.....however, their behavior towards Palestinians is absolutely no different. Zionists need to be put in check and we (US) need to stop acting as their puppet
bump for truth.
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Forget about your ideas about the land stealing, you are filled with hype and like I said I'm not touching it now as its too big for this thread.
Hamas hates Jews not only Israeli's, have you missed that?
You just awnsered yourself, Jimmy is a private citizen that want to go meet SELF PROCLAIMED TERROR leaders, he ISNT an ambassador talking to a leader of a nation in a formal and approved manor.
And YES he needs permission to associate with terror group leaders since he is a private citizen, or do you think anyone should be allowed to deal and associate with terrorists?
one mans terrorist is another mans freedomfighter, in their eyes Israel is a terrorist state, some Israeli leaders even admitted that if they were on palestinian side they would also join a terrorist organisation to fight for their rights.
btw Hamas is chosen by the palestinian people, they are their voice, banning out talks with them will only get the conflict more heaten up than it already is.
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one mans terrorist is another mans freedomfighter, in their eyes Israel is a terrorist state, some Israeli leaders even admitted that if they were on palestinian side they would also join a terrorist organisation to fight for their rights.
btw Hamas is chosen by the palestinian people, they are their voice, banning out talks with them will only get the conflict more heaten up than it already is.
Did you bothered to follow what happend after they got elected? Hamas and Fatach went into a massive war in Gaza killing innocents DAILY and killing one another all day long.
In case you don't know all those "freedom figthers" treat their own the worse and you can find plenty of interviews of people from the Gaza strip saying they want to move to Israel or have Israel controlling Gaza again.
They also STEAL all the support aid money, you know that Arafat's wife have something like 5Bil$ and she is wanted in some Arab countries.
A freedom figther doest treat his own like that, not to mention that you should see how the other Arab nations treat Palestinians , you do know that Jordan have like a 20/80 ratio of Jordanians and Palestinians and the Palestinians majority are treated as 10th grade citizens and off course http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan .
Its like that all over the Arab world, Israel have been to gentle with them....I ask again...which country will sit ideally by when its being attacked DAILY with rockets on CIVILIAN populations for YEARS? McCain even been in Israel last month and he said he was shocked and that he is shocked Israel can doesn't retaliate with much more.
He's a recognized international mediator. He's not representing anybody, he's simply using his skills as a mediator and a respected figure whom both sides will talk to to try to broker peace.
People are not "owned" by the governments of the countries in which they reside. Jimmy Carter, (or you or I for that matter) can talk to whoever the fuck he wants to. Since when does a free person require permission from anybody? In fact, you have it exactly backwards... if he worked for the government, then he WOULD require permission... as a private citizen he doesn't.
You act as though he's planning a bombing of a cafe in Tel Aviv with Hamas or something. He's trying to talk them out of doing such things. ::)
He is a citizen that is going to meet terrorists (and racists) leaders thus Israel choose to call him a bigot, I cant see why are you so surprised. You can keep trying to make it look as if both sides are saints but those are the simple facts and I see no reason not to call him that or to be surprised. Everyone got their intrests in mind, do you really want me to find quotes of Hamas calling leaders in names? I don't think Ron have enough storage space for that huge list.
And I'm sorry but you are very mistaken, meeting with wanted terrorists isn't something that a private citizen can do.
I'm guessing we can all pop a visit to Osama, nothing wrong with associating with him too ahh? I'm sure the CIA/FBI and police will have something else to say about it after you get back.
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He is a citizen that is going to meet terrorists (and racists) leaders thus Israel choose to call him a bigot, I cant see why are you so surprised. You can keep trying to make it look as if both sides are saints but those are the simple facts and I see no reason not to call him that or to be surprised. Everyone got their intrests in mind, do you really want me to find quotes of Hamas calling leaders in names? I don't think Ron have enough storage space for that huge list.
And I'm sorry but you are very mistaken, meeting with wanted terrorists isn't something that a private citizen can do.
I'm guessing we can all pop a visit to Osama, nothing wrong with associating with him too ahh? I'm sure the CIA/FBI and police will have something else to say about it after you get back.
You and I are never going to agree on this, because it's clear our viewpoints on individual rights and freedoms are fundamentally different.
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I don't give a shit about Palestine or Israel.
What I don't like is the US giving billions of tax payer dollars so Israel can build huge fences, have one of the most advanced armies in the world, and give an incentive to arabs to hate this country. I fucking hate their control of media, which is responsible for dumbing down the american people. I hate their control of this country.
Anyone speaking out on this issues is automatically antisemetic. ::)
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I don't give a shit about Palestine or Israel.
What I don't like is the US giving billions of tax payer dollars so Israel can build huge fences, have one of the most advanced armies in the world, and give an incentive to arabs to hate this country. I fucking hate their control of media, which is responsible for dumbing down the american people. I hate their control of this country.
Anyone speaking out on this issues is automatically antisemetic. ::)
Most of those billions that you talk of are given as "coppuns" and are actually a method of generating more income for the military industry and an artificial way for the government to put money into that industry.
The US government intrest is to keep its military industry alive and prospering and giving out foreign countries "coppuns" to order from them is a way to bypass the congress because its not included in the defense program funds but in support aid.
Further more, the military alliance with Israel is very benefiting to the US since Israeli technology is top notch. You should know that most systems that are bought and brought to Israel are emptied out and only the basic hardware is left and everything else is replaced with Israeli upgraded versions.
You do know that Israel is one of the biggest high tech producing countries in the world...although having only 7mil people.
Regarding your media control theory...come on..are you 5 year old? They are so many people with money that hate Israel and Jewish people that is simply idiotic to think they will let that actually happen, its not even worth a debate.
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You've got some good points. Jewish people collectively have contributed a lot in terms of science, technology, to the social sciences, and many other fields. No one's claiming otherwise.
But one thing you can't deny is that the US' relationship with Israel gives arabs an excuse to hate America. Maybe this wasn't an important factor 8 years ago, as there was enough admiration for America by others to offset the hate. But since the invasion of Iraq the US has lost most of its credibility and the relation with Israel only adds to the growing dislike that people have for the US around the globe. This growing dislike isn't just in arab world any longer, but has now spread to even other western nations.
Israel also influences US foreign policy. Face it, one of the reasons the US is hot on Iran's tail is because of Israel. Bet you Israel loved the US going into Iraq to take out Saddam.. But do you honestly think they give a damn now that we're in that mess? I think not. What about the Israeli spy that was caught spying?
And a powerful defense industry who's interests is America waging war is a good thing? Arming countries like Saudia Arabia is a good thing? :-\
I am not like MattC, who I honestly think dislikes Jewish people. Living in NYC, I've met many Jewish people and am fond of them. But this doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to whats going on.
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You've got some good points. Jewish people collectively have contributed a lot in terms of science, technology, to the social sciences, and many other fields. No one's claiming otherwise.
But one thing you can't deny is that the US' relationship with Israel gives arabs an excuse to hate America. Maybe this wasn't an important factor 8 years ago, as there was enough admiration for America by others to offset the hate. But since the invasion of Iraq the US has lost most of its credibility and the relation with Israel only adds to the growing dislike that people have for the US around the globe. This growing dislike isn't just in arab world any longer, but has now spread to even other western nations.
Israel also influences US foreign policy. Face it, one of the reasons the US is hot on Iran's tail is because of Israel. Bet you Israel loved the US going into Iraq to take out Saddam.. But do you honestly think they give a damn now that we're in that mess? I think not. What about the Israeli spy that was caught spying?
And a powerful defense industry who's interests is America waging war is a good thing? Arming countries like Saudia Arabia is a good thing? :-\
I am not like MattC, who I honestly think dislikes Jewish people. Living in NYC, I've met many Jewish people and am fond of them. But this doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to whats going on.
You can say the exact opposite, the US have a huge chock hold on Israel politics and no Israeli prime minister isn't doing any serious action without the US giving him its approval.
Its in the US intrest to have a hold in the middle east and Iraq ( mass destruction weapons aside) is a part of it.
Let me point out several things that I want you to comment on:
1.The Iraq war took the life of about 4K soldiers, about the same amount that died at 9/11. Lets assume that Osama and Sadam are totally unrelated (which isn't true) but Sadam was still a large supporter of terror, so you can either live in fear and in a defensive manner losing the same amount of CIVILIANS in one day or take the war to them and after doing allot of changes losing the same amount of SOLDIERS.
What do you prefer to do?
2.Although its really shitty to say, when you hear that another soldier died its not nice, but when you hear the gas prices are up 10% in one day it make your pocket burn and it will probably bother you more.
Now lets take a possible extreme situation of Arab countries completely cutting off the oil supply, that might pose a COMPLETE change and can DESTROY the US economy, think of having NO gas for cars,houses and power plants.
Do you want to have them holding you by the balls like that? Do you really think it will benefit the US if the middle east went into an all out war? If Israel will go into war alone it will fight for its life and if attacked by chem/bio/nuke like Iran want to do it will react with the same and that will result in major shit storm world wide, no one wants that.
3.Sadam committed mass murder and used bio and chemical weapons in the past thus giving a good reason to be put as a target.
4.Taking over Iraq was probably the plan and Iran was the true target but since Iraq was a much softer target that can be used as a base of operation it was chosen to be the first.
5.Israel if capable of dealing with any Arab military force out there, Iran is actually the only one that isn't falling apart. But Iran can also never launch a surprise attack due to being too far. It can only use missiles and Israel have a multi layer defense system against that.
I got more stuff to say but enough of my rambling :D
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I am not like MattC, who I honestly think dislikes Jewish people. Living in NYC, I've met many Jewish people and am fond of them. But this doesn't mean I'm going to turn a blind eye to whats going on.
You have to seriously question the intelligence of a person who makes blanket statements about "Jews" the way Matt C does.
He seems unable to separate Jewish culture with "Jewish" ethnicity as well.
I've always opposed the occupation of Palestine. I thought it was wrong.
I also believe that a lot of the politics run by Israel towards the Palestines today is pure racism, and a disgrace.
But I also believe it is not possible to force the Israelis out of Israel/Palestine today. A split nation is the best possible solution.
I doubt that many Israelis and American-living Jews fully understand how bad the Palestines really are treated.
Currently, they are locked in behind a wall. They have very limited access to gas, to food, to anything.
This isn't a prison either.
This is done to 6 month old babies. To 80-year olds.
To handicapped persons.
But I still don't think there is anything wrong with "Jews". How the fcuk could there be something wrong with a person due to his ethnicity?
That is something Matt C could answer perhaps.
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Jewish people are very sucessful and have contributed a lot to mankind. Naturally, this has put them on top. Simply hating them for this reason alone is stupid.
However, questioning the media influence, the treatment of palestinians(I don't think they're innocent), and the huge influence they exert on world's most powerful country to advance their own selfish needs = real issues.
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I've always opposed the occupation of Palestine. I thought it was wrong.
I also believe that a lot of the politics run by Israel towards the Palestines today is pure racism, and a disgrace.
I doubt that many Israelis and American-living Jews fully understand how bad the Palestines really are treated.
Currently, they are locked in behind a wall. They have very limited access to gas, to food, to anything.
This isn't a prison either.
1.The UN + the fact that many Jewish people BOUGHT tons of land here + the historic rights to Israel caused the "Israeli occupation".
2.The areas that the Arabs keep bitching about are areas that they lost in UNPROVOKED wars started BY THEM.
Those areas are used as buffer zones to prevent things like the missile attacks from Gaza that happens now.
3.The wall was initiated mostly due to Palestinians sitting on hills and shooting at passing veichles and to prevent terrorists coming into Israel.
Its a wall to keep out not to keep in you fail to see that, its also the base of the Palestinians getting full control of their areas. All countries have borders, if its a hostile one than the border gets beefier.
Don't forget that like in every border in the world MANY Palestinians can pass (into Israel) and they do through the controlled border passages. Besides, diffrent countries don't have to allow anyone to come and enter now do they?
BTW in case you missed it Egypt is building a wall to now because Hamas destroyed the old border with them and they don't want terrorists entering and getting shot with missiles too.
However, questioning the media influence, the treatment of Palestinians(I don't think they're innocent), and the huge influence they exert on world's most powerful country to advance their own selfish needs = real issues.
Everyone got a media influence saying that Christians,Muslims,Arabs or whatever don't have media control is stupid. They all have plenty of money and means and they use them.