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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: blacken700 on March 27, 2011, 11:26:46 AM
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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This is why trump is smart to go after bama on this.
Where is the long form bc?
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Common sense - why spend a million to cover up what can be released for 10 dollars.
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because they want you nuts to keep talking about it, it only hurts the repubs ;D
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Let's hope Repubs are dumb enough to keep preaching to the choir
They are not going to convert any Dems or Independents by talking about birth certificates or even most social issues
Repubs need to address and offer some solutions the real problems in this country but then that's their fatal flaw
They have no answers to our real problems so they'll roll out their old standards: tax cuts for millionaires, birth certificate CT's and probably that Obama wants to kill your grandmother
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Again - why spend a million dollars to conceal what can be revealed for ten dollars?
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Again - why spend a million dollars to conceal what can be revealed for ten dollars?
source?
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Again - why spend a million dollars to conceal what can be revealed for ten dollars?
because it makes you birthers look nutty
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Source what? The public fee is like 10 dollars and obama has spent about a million in legal fees trying to conceal the long form bc.
The crap they tossed up on the website is pure nonsense, not to mention the ss number barry uses is or was reserved for connecticut residents.
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Source what? The public fee is like 10 dollars and obama has spent about a million in legal fees trying to conceal the long form bc.
The crap they tossed up on the website is pure nonsense, not to mention the ss number barry uses is or was reserved for connecticut residents.
you made a claim
what's your source or did you just hear it somewhere and pass it along?
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Ill post it later.
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Ill post it later.
translation : i have to go find it from the far right rag i seen it in ;D
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I'm on my blackberry.
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Let's hope Repubs are dumb enough to keep preaching to the choir
They are not going to convert any Dems or Independents by talking about birth certificates or even most social issues
Repubs need to address and offer some solutions the real problems in this country but then that's their fatal flaw
They have no answers to our real problems so they'll roll out their old standards: tax cuts for millionaires, birth certificate CT's and probably that Obama wants to kill your grandmother
lets hope obama is dumb enough to keep putting his liberal agenda in front of the well being of the citizens of this country.
He isnt going to win any independents going the way he is going
;);););)
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Bama certainly don'twant the debate turning to the economy.
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Bama certainly don'twant the debate turning to the economy.
LOL absolutely not
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Housing going into or is in double dip already. UE flat, inflation taking hold, etc.
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Independents love charlie sheen.
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Again - why spend a million dollars to conceal what can be revealed for ten dollars?
source?
should be easy to provide
at the very least you read it somewhere
right?
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This has been reported for years now.
Even the gov of hawaii said he can't find one.
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This has been reported for years now.
Even the gov of hawaii said he can't find one.
cool
should be easy to provide one source for your claim
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How much money has Obama spent defending the birth certificate suits?
This report indicates it might be upwards of $1 million:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95772
HOWEVER, that is Obama's TOTAL lawyer fees. This includes everything he needs a lawyer for, before being elected and after. The birther stuff was PART of that. but nobody knows what % of it.
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Common sense - why spend a million to cover up what can be released for 10 dollars.
here ya go, and not even 10.00 bucks.
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That is a COLB not a BC. Its pure nonsense and a fraud.
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The First Time I Heard of Barack (with additional info)
Free Republic ^ | Sept 19, 2009 | Tom Fife
Has anyone heard of this before? I did a search but came up negative.
Very interesting and if you list to the tape the man sounds very genuine.
Here’s his written confession which happened to a physicist when he was in Russia:
The leader of the Communist Party USA may not be the only one doing Communist cartwheels. Brace yourself for what I’m about to say next. Last fall, prior to the presidential election, a friend of mine, Dr. Wiley Drake, former second vice president for the Southern Baptist Convention, sent me an e-mail on which I didn’t report. It just seemed too extreme. It was from a software developer
he met named Tom Fife who told of how he first heard of the name “Barack.”
I can’t prove whether it’s true or not, but in light of all that is happening, it just doesn’t seem that far-fetched anymore. All I know is that Tom Fife is a real guy – not some e-mail scam. I’ve talked to him. He was a government contractor with an active security clearance who took notes on his trips for debriefings with the Defense Intelligence Agency within the Department of Defense. This is what he wrote down after it happened in 1992, before anyone ever heard the name “Barack”:
The first time I heard of Barack
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist, while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice president and you didn’t do it.”
The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice president, but the president and vice president as a ticket.
“Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”
The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she, black or not.
“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”
“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born, and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of presidents. He is what you call ‘Ivy League.’ You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your president.”
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly – as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black, so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: They would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the Legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African,’” she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism, and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30-plus years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
There have been attempts to discredit Fife with made up details, but the original version of Fife’s story is posted online. Fife can be reached at: thefife@hotmail.com.
Whether you believe this story or not, believe what the Communist Party USA has to say. Spending our way to the largest government in American history won’t stimulate anything … other than the agenda of the Communist Party: taking over the private sector and capping people’s salaries. And that’s just for starters. Call your senators at 202-224-3121 right now to stop this massive government takeover masquerading as a “stimulus” spending bill. Forget the hype: The world isn’t going to end if this bill isn’t passed, but democracy may end if it does.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=88439
Here’s the audio:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_T_Fife_031009.mp3
Listening to the tape the man sounds authentic.
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The First Time I Heard of Barack (with additional info)
Free Republic ^ | Sept 19, 2009 | Tom Fife
Has anyone heard of this before? I did a search but came up negative.
Very interesting and if you list to the tape the man sounds very genuine.
Here’s his written confession which happened to a physicist when he was in Russia:
The leader of the Communist Party USA may not be the only one doing Communist cartwheels. Brace yourself for what I’m about to say next. Last fall, prior to the presidential election, a friend of mine, Dr. Wiley Drake, former second vice president for the Southern Baptist Convention, sent me an e-mail on which I didn’t report. It just seemed too extreme. It was from a software developer
he met named Tom Fife who told of how he first heard of the name “Barack.”
I can’t prove whether it’s true or not, but in light of all that is happening, it just doesn’t seem that far-fetched anymore. All I know is that Tom Fife is a real guy – not some e-mail scam. I’ve talked to him. He was a government contractor with an active security clearance who took notes on his trips for debriefings with the Defense Intelligence Agency within the Department of Defense. This is what he wrote down after it happened in 1992, before anyone ever heard the name “Barack”:
The first time I heard of Barack
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid-1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist, while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause – a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge – one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice president and you didn’t do it.”
The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice president, but the president and vice president as a ticket.
“Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”
The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she, black or not.
“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”
“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born, and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of presidents. He is what you call ‘Ivy League.’ You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your president.”
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly – as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black, so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: They would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the Legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African,’” she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism, and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30-plus years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.
There have been attempts to discredit Fife with made up details, but the original version of Fife’s story is posted online. Fife can be reached at: thefife@hotmail.com.
Whether you believe this story or not, believe what the Communist Party USA has to say. Spending our way to the largest government in American history won’t stimulate anything … other than the agenda of the Communist Party: taking over the private sector and capping people’s salaries. And that’s just for starters. Call your senators at 202-224-3121 right now to stop this massive government takeover masquerading as a “stimulus” spending bill. Forget the hype: The world isn’t going to end if this bill isn’t passed, but democracy may end if it does.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=88439
Here’s the audio:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_T_Fife_031009.mp3
Listening to the tape the man sounds authentic.
Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him?
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Are you serious?
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Why? Obama is doing everything possible to destroy this nation and the middle class. He is a sleeper cell communist traitor all on to himself.
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Why? Obama is doing everything possible to destroy this nation and the middle class. He is a sleeper cell communist traitor all on to himself.
Yeah and the repub are taking real good care of the middle class ::)
If you truly believe this why havent you taken any real action? Dont you love your country?
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I have done enough to show how and why he is doing it. Its the ignorant idiots still high on their obama date rape drug who are blind to this.
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Are you serious?
I would never say such a thing because I am a moderate and I am extremely anti violence. I don't know what came over me.
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I would never say such a thing because I am a moderate and I am extremely anti violence. I don't know what came over me.
I meant: Do you take the article serious?
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This is why trump is smart to go after bama on this.
Where is the long form bc?
Trump doing this is a great thing, because unlike most politicians, he couldn't give a rat's behind if the left-winged goofies in the media call him a "birther". I'm sure, on uncensored TV, he'd tell Bill Maher where to go, how to get there, and even provide him a map.
If he does nothing more than draw heat, clearing the way for someone else to build momentum and ultimately take Obama down, he would have done this country a great service.
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making way for who, bachmann,palin :D :D
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I meant: Do you take the article serious?
Of course I do. Only an idiot would not.
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Of course I do. Only an idiot would not.
I posted a 40 minute video the guy did.
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I posted a 40 minute video the guy did.
not enough work to keep you busy on a monday?
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not enough work to keep you busy on a monday?
Attack the messenger. Nice, but still does not get away from the fack that the messah is a false prophet you clowns still shill for.
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Ill post it later.
did you post your source for this claim yet?
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did you post your source for this claim yet?
for what?
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for what?
for this
Source what? The public fee is like 10 dollars and obama has spent about a million in legal fees trying to conceal the long form bc.
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How much money has Obama spent defending the birth certificate suits?
This report indicates it might be upwards of $1 million:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95772
HOWEVER, that is Obama's TOTAL lawyer fees. This includes everything he needs a lawyer for, before being elected and after. The birther stuff was PART of that. but nobody knows what % of it.
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that doesn't support your claim and besides
I want to know where YOU found it
you've been tossing it around for a year or more so surely you've got a source
right?
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Straw - Obam has been represented by counsel in all of the birther cases and not oce did the ever argue the merits of the action, onlythe standing of the plaintiffs bringing the case.
Do yuo think those lawyers all did it pro bono? LOL.
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that doesn't support your claim and besides
I want to know where YOU found it
you've been tossing it around for a year or more so surely you've got a source
right?
If he verifies his source, will you stop posting on this website?
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If he verifies his source, will you stop posting on this website?
no
why should I
he's making a claim and I'm asking for a source
bfd
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1, Obama’s original vault copy of a long form birth certificate, if one exists. Not released.
2, Obama’s certificate of live birth (short form-COLB), a proven forgery released.
3, In 1961 no computers then to photo-shop or produce Obama’s fraudulent COLB document, in fact the font (type) is computer created, no typewriter had that capability in 1961, fact.
4, This is Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate dated Aug. 4, 1961= (in question) http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
5, Dunham-Obama marriage license. Not released.
6, Dunham-Soetoro marriage license. Not released.
7, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama adoption records. Not released.
8, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Besuki School application obtained. (proven) http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13056.htm
9, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Punahou School records. Not released.
10, Selective Service Registration – a proven forgery released and a criminal act. (forgery) http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431print.html.
11, Obama’s Occidental College records. Not released.
12, Obama’s passport from Indonesia, he had to have one to attend school in Indonesia. Not released.
13, Obama’s U.S. Passport, if one exists. Not released.
14, Obama entered Pakistan on what countries passport. Not released.
15, Obama’s Columbia University records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
16, Obama’s Columbia University thesis. Not released.
17, Not one name of any student who knows Obama attendant Columbia released or known.
18, Obama’s Harvard Law School records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
19, Obama’s Harvard Law Review articles, none released.
20, Obama’s Baptism certificate, if one exists? None released.
21, Obama’s Medical records, not released (a one-page statement Obama is healthy).
22, Obama’s Illinois State Senate records. Not released.
23, Obama’s Illinois State Senate schedule. Not released (alleged to have been lost).
24, Obama’s Law practices client list and billing records. Not released.
26, Obama’s University of Chicago scholarly articles, none released or exist?
27, The reason Obama lost his license to practice law in Illinois. Not released.
28, Obama’s campaign donor analysis. Not released.
29, Obama’s list of campaign workers who are lobbyists. Not released.
30, Obama’s list of countries he visited outside the United States before 2008. Not released.
31, Obama never repatriated to the U.S. from his Indonesia citizenship, if documented. Not released.
32, The U.S. Constitution states you CAN NOT be president if you change your U.S. citizenship and are repatriated and you have to be just to become a U.S. citizen again.
33, On January 21, 2009, his first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489, denying any release of anything about him.
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is this what you've going to use as your source?
why don't you at least tell us where you copied this list from?
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Transparency? Nothing About Obama Is On The Level
Romanticpoet's Weblog/The Obama File ^ | January 16, 2010 | Romanticpoet's Weblog /The Obama File
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**ALL Credit for this post goes to Beckwith at The Obama File**
Robert Bauer is the chief of the political law group at Perkins Coie, the Seattle law firm hired by the Obama Campaign to prevent the American public from seeing a wide range of Obama’s records that could prove, or disprove, his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office under the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born” citizen under Article Two, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Obama continues to stonewall the release his bona fides to the American People. These documents include his long-form birth certificate, his medical records, passport records, as well as other records that may possibly be relevant, such as records regarding Obama’s possible adoption by his Indonesian stepfather or college application and tuition financial aid records which would reveal whether Obama was ever registered as a foreign student.
Federal Election Commission records show more than $1,650,000 in payments made by Obama for America to Perkins Coie, while the law firm was representing Obama in various court cases which have sought to obtain Obama’s long-form birth certificate to determine if he is a “natural born” citizen
The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.
The following is information was compiled by FReeper Starwise from the official Federal Elections Commission website for disbursements by the Obama campaign to the law firm of Perkins Coie, Obama’s primary law firm in various eligibility suits:
Year-End 2008 Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $173,052.52
Amended post-general election Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $205,323.00
April 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $688,316.42
July 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $270,754.18
October 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $314,018.06
January 2010 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie are not yet available.
The official FEC website, to which the Obama and other campaigns must report their financial activity, must be taken by even the most skeptical among us as valid documentation of the reported $1.4 or $1.8, or anything in between, figure that the Obama campaign has spent to hide Barack Obama’s questionable background from the American People.
Now that Bauer is safely tucked away in the White House, Obama has resorted to illegally using Justice Department attorneys to represent him in his ongoing battle to hide his questionable background from the American People.
The use of civil servants to further Obama’s coup d’etat is clearly illegal. Torm Howse, the co-founder, and National Board Director of United Civil Rights Councils of America says the statutory law of the United States Code is extremely clear, even often in multiple ways, that:
a) the Attorney General cannot represent/defend Obama in any challenge that involves a question of his citizenship, for the relevant statutory laws mandate that the AG be on the prosecuting side against Obama, if the AG is involved, at all… In fact, whether intentional or not, Obama and Holder can be hit with “constructive fraud,” at the very least…
b) the AG also *cannot* represent/defend Senators or the Senate body, itself, in these constitutional questions, either… Again, whether intentional or not, you have that “constructive fraud” against the rule of law thing again…
c) there are various statutory standings provided for even “mere” individual Citizens to sue Obama, Congress, etc.
d) Obama’s “Presidential records” are expressly PUBLIC by mandate of simple written law (and, combined with using AG Holder & U.S. Attorneys, i.e., our *taxdollars*, in an expressly-unconstitutional manner, defending Obama in any citizenship issues, then Obama gets to pay back every single red cent of that $1.7+ million spent so far… plus interest and penalties, naturally… plus, getting deported, or imprisoned, or whatever else…).
Howse has detailed and provided the direct links to all of these applicable federal statutes,here here
And if you don’t think Obama, his stooge that’s running the Justice Department, and the Democrats aren’t above perverting the law of the land, just read this — nothing about Obama, his administration and the Democrats is on the level.
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here ya go, and not even 10.00 bucks.
The White House should be embarrassed that this phony looking document was even released.
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Transparency? Nothing About Obama Is On The Level
Romanticpoet's Weblog/The Obama File ^ | January 16, 2010 | Romanticpoet's Weblog /The Obama File
________________________ ________________________ _________________--
**ALL Credit for this post goes to Beckwith at The Obama File**
Robert Bauer is the chief of the political law group at Perkins Coie, the Seattle law firm hired by the Obama Campaign to prevent the American public from seeing a wide range of Obama’s records that could prove, or disprove, his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office under the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born” citizen under Article Two, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Obama continues to stonewall the release his bona fides to the American People. These documents include his long-form birth certificate, his medical records, passport records, as well as other records that may possibly be relevant, such as records regarding Obama’s possible adoption by his Indonesian stepfather or college application and tuition financial aid records which would reveal whether Obama was ever registered as a foreign student.
Federal Election Commission records show more than $1,650,000 in payments made by Obama for America to Perkins Coie, while the law firm was representing Obama in various court cases which have sought to obtain Obama’s long-form birth certificate to determine if he is a “natural born” citizen
The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.
The following is information was compiled by FReeper Starwise from the official Federal Elections Commission website for disbursements by the Obama campaign to the law firm of Perkins Coie, Obama’s primary law firm in various eligibility suits:
Year-End 2008 Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $173,052.52
Amended post-general election Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $205,323.00
April 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $688,316.42
July 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $270,754.18
October 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $314,018.06
January 2010 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie are not yet available.
The official FEC website, to which the Obama and other campaigns must report their financial activity, must be taken by even the most skeptical among us as valid documentation of the reported $1.4 or $1.8, or anything in between, figure that the Obama campaign has spent to hide Barack Obama’s questionable background from the American People.
Now that Bauer is safely tucked away in the White House, Obama has resorted to illegally using Justice Department attorneys to represent him in his ongoing battle to hide his questionable background from the American People.
The use of civil servants to further Obama’s coup d’etat is clearly illegal. Torm Howse, the co-founder, and National Board Director of United Civil Rights Councils of America says the statutory law of the United States Code is extremely clear, even often in multiple ways, that:
a) the Attorney General cannot represent/defend Obama in any challenge that involves a question of his citizenship, for the relevant statutory laws mandate that the AG be on the prosecuting side against Obama, if the AG is involved, at all… In fact, whether intentional or not, Obama and Holder can be hit with “constructive fraud,” at the very least…
b) the AG also *cannot* represent/defend Senators or the Senate body, itself, in these constitutional questions, either… Again, whether intentional or not, you have that “constructive fraud” against the rule of law thing again…
c) there are various statutory standings provided for even “mere” individual Citizens to sue Obama, Congress, etc.
d) Obama’s “Presidential records” are expressly PUBLIC by mandate of simple written law (and, combined with using AG Holder & U.S. Attorneys, i.e., our *taxdollars*, in an expressly-unconstitutional manner, defending Obama in any citizenship issues, then Obama gets to pay back every single red cent of that $1.7+ million spent so far… plus interest and penalties, naturally… plus, getting deported, or imprisoned, or whatever else…).
Howse has detailed and provided the direct links to all of these applicable federal statutes,here here
And if you don’t think Obama, his stooge that’s running the Justice Department, and the Democrats aren’t above perverting the law of the land, just read this — nothing about Obama, his administration and the Democrats is on the level.
why not a link to the FEC rather than a claim from the Romanticpoet's Weblog
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BORN IN THE USA?
Obama law tab up to $1.7 million
'Grass-roots army' contributions used to crush eligibility lawsuits?
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Posted: October 27, 2009
8:42 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
President Obama has paid nearly $1.7 million to his top eligibility lawyer since the election.
Obama for America, Obama's 2008 political campaign, merged with the Democratic National Committee in January and is now known as Organizing for America. The grass-roots army that some refer to as "Obama 2.0" is still collecting financial contributions.
Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.
The most recent sum, $314,018.06, was listed in Obama for America's October Quarterly report filed with the FEC.
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 October quarterly report (covers July 1, 2009, to Sept. 30, 2009)
As WND reported in August, FEC records also show the following payments made to the law firm from Oct. 16, 2008, to June 30, 2009:
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 year-end report (covers Nov. 25, 2008, to Dec. 31, 2008)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 post–general election report (covers Oct. 16, 2008, to Nov. 24, 2008)
The FEC shows Obama's campaign has made regular payments to Perkins Coie since Jan. 1, 2007 – the month he formed a presidential exploratory committee and only weeks before he formally announced his candidacy for president.
In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.6 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain's legal consulting fees, from Jan. 1, 2007, to October 2009, amounts to $1.6 million.
As WND reported, Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.
WND also reported that Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he didn't withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been "twittered."
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Bauer's warning was dated April 3 and delivered via letter to the plaintiff's attorney, John D. Hemenway. It is not the first such warning issued. Lawyers trying to kill a similar California lawsuit filed on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes also said they would seek sanctions against the plaintiff's attorneys in that case unless they left the issue of the president's eligibility alone.
"For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson's ruling, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued," Bauer's letter warned. "Should you decline to withdraw this frivolous appeal, please be informed that we intend to pursue sanctions, including costs, expenses, and attorneys' fees, pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 38 and D.C. Circuit Rule 38."
Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg's eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges. The White House has not responded to WND's request for comment on the legal fees.
As WND recently reported, Bauer is married to Anita Dunn, the White House communications director who has blasted Fox as an arm of the Republican Party and talked about "controlling" the news media.
Bauer, a Democratic Party partisan, has a long history of defending Democratic Party presidential hopefuls.
A biography for Bauer posted on the Perkins Coie website indicates that he was general counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry and that he served as counsel to Sen. Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader in the impeachment-trial proceedings of President Bill Clinton.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer functioned as an "attack lawyer," threatening with FEC complaints groups wanting to run anti-Obama television ads.
Also during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.
Also during the 2008 campaign, Bauer intervened on behalf of Obama to block the California-based American Leadership Project from running a television ad campaign over support from unions, including the Service Employees International Union.
Again, Bauer filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that the union-funded television campaign the American Leadership Project planned to run in Indiana against Obama was illegal under federal election laws.
In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
Perkins Coie serves high-profile clients such as Microsoft, Amazon and Starbucks. Perkins Coie also represents the House and Senate Democratic campaign arms. In 2006, the firm also represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's alleged bodyguard and driver.
The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.
An FEC report also reveals Obama For America also paid $6,365 in legal fees to Olaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.
Read more: Obama law tab up to $1.7 million http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=114202#ixzz1HunOxFiW
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SCREEN CAPS FROM FEC WEBSITE AT LINK
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The White House should be embarrassed that this phony looking document was even released.
They did more harm than good by releasing that fraudulent document.
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BORN IN THE USA?
Obama law tab up to $1.7 million
'Grass-roots army' contributions used to crush eligibility lawsuits?
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Posted: October 27, 2009
8:42 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
President Obama has paid nearly $1.7 million to his top eligibility lawyer since the election.
Obama for America, Obama's 2008 political campaign, merged with the Democratic National Committee in January and is now known as Organizing for America. The grass-roots army that some refer to as "Obama 2.0" is still collecting financial contributions.
Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.
The most recent sum, $314,018.06, was listed in Obama for America's October Quarterly report filed with the FEC.
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 October quarterly report (covers July 1, 2009, to Sept. 30, 2009)
As WND reported in August, FEC records also show the following payments made to the law firm from Oct. 16, 2008, to June 30, 2009:
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 year-end report (covers Nov. 25, 2008, to Dec. 31, 2008)
FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 post–general election report (covers Oct. 16, 2008, to Nov. 24, 2008)
The FEC shows Obama's campaign has made regular payments to Perkins Coie since Jan. 1, 2007 – the month he formed a presidential exploratory committee and only weeks before he formally announced his candidacy for president.
In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.6 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain's legal consulting fees, from Jan. 1, 2007, to October 2009, amounts to $1.6 million.
As WND reported, Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.
WND also reported that Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he didn't withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been "twittered."
(Story continues below)
Bauer's warning was dated April 3 and delivered via letter to the plaintiff's attorney, John D. Hemenway. It is not the first such warning issued. Lawyers trying to kill a similar California lawsuit filed on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes also said they would seek sanctions against the plaintiff's attorneys in that case unless they left the issue of the president's eligibility alone.
"For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson's ruling, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued," Bauer's letter warned. "Should you decline to withdraw this frivolous appeal, please be informed that we intend to pursue sanctions, including costs, expenses, and attorneys' fees, pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 38 and D.C. Circuit Rule 38."
Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg's eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges. The White House has not responded to WND's request for comment on the legal fees.
As WND recently reported, Bauer is married to Anita Dunn, the White House communications director who has blasted Fox as an arm of the Republican Party and talked about "controlling" the news media.
Bauer, a Democratic Party partisan, has a long history of defending Democratic Party presidential hopefuls.
A biography for Bauer posted on the Perkins Coie website indicates that he was general counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry and that he served as counsel to Sen. Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader in the impeachment-trial proceedings of President Bill Clinton.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer functioned as an "attack lawyer," threatening with FEC complaints groups wanting to run anti-Obama television ads.
Also during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.
Also during the 2008 campaign, Bauer intervened on behalf of Obama to block the California-based American Leadership Project from running a television ad campaign over support from unions, including the Service Employees International Union.
Again, Bauer filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that the union-funded television campaign the American Leadership Project planned to run in Indiana against Obama was illegal under federal election laws.
In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
Perkins Coie serves high-profile clients such as Microsoft, Amazon and Starbucks. Perkins Coie also represents the House and Senate Democratic campaign arms. In 2006, the firm also represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's alleged bodyguard and driver.
The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.
An FEC report also reveals Obama For America also paid $6,365 in legal fees to Olaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.
Read more: Obama law tab up to $1.7 million http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=114202#ixzz1HunOxFiW
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SCREEN CAPS FROM FEC WEBSITE AT LINK
and John McCain paid his lawyers $1.6 million
what does that prove?
nothing
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LMAO - THEY REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE BIRTHER LAWSUITS YOU FUCKING MORON!
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LMAO - THEY REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE BIRTHER LAWSUITS YOU FUCKING MORON!
that's all they did?
if so then he must have a bunch of other legal fees with some other law firm for the regular stuff that candidates pay law firms for
right?
I mean McCain spendt 1.6 million on legal fees and no one filed frivolous law suits about his birth certificate
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that's all they did?
if so then he must have a bunch of other legal fees with some other law firm for the regular stuff that candidates pay law firms for
right?
I mean McCain spendt 1.6 million on legal fees and no one filed frivolous law suits about his birth certificate
hhhhmmmmm, lets see why?
Because there was no question or doubt he is a NBC unike Obama. Damn you are stupid.
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hhhhmmmmm, lets see why?
Because there was no question or doubt he is a NBC unike Obama. Damn you are stupid.
So all those fees to Perkins Coie were solely for birth certificate law suits
is that what you're claiming?
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So all those fees to Perkins Coie were solely for birth certificate law suits
is that what you're claiming?
Of course not. They were acting pro bono across the nation defending these lawsuits. The $$$ was all to seehow obama could legally find a way to get everyone ajob, healh care, end all wars, close gitmo, put ten chicken in every pot, three cars in every driveway, and sprinkle pixy dust over the nation.
What a freaking joke you are.
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Of course not. They were acting pro bono across the nation defending these lawsuits. The $$$ was all to seehow obama could legally find a way to get everyone ajob, healh care, end all wars, close gitmo, put ten chicken in every pot, three cars in every driveway, and sprinkle pixy dust over the nation.
What a freaking joke you are.
so now you're saying that all the Birth Certificate stuff was done for free ?
Haven't you been claiming for the last 4 pages he "spent millions" specifically on hiding his records ?
btw - here's a link FEC records: http://query.nictusa.com/pres/
unless you're not changing your claim (which it appears you are) then you should be able to find all the "proof" you need
btw - for future reference, take note on how to provide a direct source of information rather than copying and pasting hearsay from the Romanticpoet's Weblog
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The WND site had screencaps and this is widely known.
I guess it is to people unlike yourself still high on the obama date rape drug you took.
Bro - serious - don't you ever get embarrassed and tired of shilling and defending this shit show admn?
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The WND site had screencaps and this is widely known.
I guess it is to people unlike yourself still high on the obama date rape drug you took.
Bro - serious - don't you ever get embarrassed and tired of shilling and defending this shit show admn?
WND is a shit source and just because they put in a screen cap doesn't prove your claim that Obama spent millions specifically to hide his records
btw - didn't you just make the claim that the law firm in question actually did all that work for free
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Again why spend over a million to a law firm to defend all these birther lawsuits nstead of spending $10 to release the long form BC?
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33,
He may have spent Zero dollar fighting the birth cert.
He may have spent $900,000 on it.
We don't know. We know his TOTAL lawyer fees from EVERYTHING. And there was surely a lot of it. So it's a little irresponsible to claim he was that much $ on the birth cert issue alone.
I know in 2004, most of the repub staff secured law services, in case they lost the election and were nailed with frivolous lawsuits. Clinton got handed a bunch of suits in 2001 too, didn't he?
It's common for a presidential candidate or even a president to need a lawyer. While I'm with you on his BC being completely full of shit - I have to call you on the use of this 1 mil number irresponsibly.
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LLLMMMFFAAAOOO. How about this - lets say mccain and bama spent the same for the same activities.
Yet - bama had the birther issue to deal with. Bama still is ahead of mccain by 1.1 million - which is the birther lawsuits.
And again - why woud you spend $1 million when you could release the fucking thing for $10?
Seriously.
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Again why spend over a million to a law firm to defend all these birther lawsuits nstead of spending $10 to release the long form BC?
i thought you said all that work was done pro-bono
make up your mind
btw - haven't spokeperson for the Hawaii Dept of Health already said their is no long or short form ?
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LLLMMMFFAAAOOO. How about this - lets say mccain and bama spent the same for the same activities.
Oh - you are aware of what % of the lawsuits and legal fees came AFTER he was elected?
Since being elected... Cuomo sued obama. AARP sued obama. Some WV dem gov suied obama. hell - 100 CHILDREN are currently suing obama so their illegal ass parents can stay.
Presidents need lawyer cause lots of people sue them. So unless you have some documentation as to what % of his legal fees are for the birther issue, you're without any proof on this issue.
Better to keep reminding us of the "Proud kenyan-born Obama joins senate" articles that keep getting deleted from internet ;)
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i thought you said all that work was done pro-bono
make up your mind
btw - haven't spokeperson for the Hawaii Dept of Health already said their is no long or short form ?
I was joking about the pro bono stuff.
and the gov of hawaii made the situation worse. He said his mission was to prove obama was a NBC by releasing the long form BC, and when he looked for it and tried, realized none existed.
Obama was not born in Hawaii. There are no hospital records, no birth records, nothing. I believe he was born in Washington State at this point, but the BC there has a different father listed. He uses 16 fake SS numbers, ad otherwise is still a complete mystery.
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Oh - you are aware of what % of the lawsuits and legal fees came AFTER he was elected?
Since being elected... Cuomo sued obama. AARP sued obama. Some WV dem gov suied obama. hell - 100 CHILDREN are currently suing obama so their illegal ass parents can stay.
Presidents need lawyer cause lots of people sue them. So unless you have some documentation as to what % of his legal fees are for the birther issue, you're without any proof on this issue.
Better to keep reminding us of the "Proud kenyan-born Obama joins senate" articles that keep getting deleted from internet ;)
Those cases are handled by the Solicitor General, not personal lawyers like Bama has had to cover up his records.
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Those cases are handled by the Solicitor General, not personal lawyers like Bama has had to cover up his records.
link to the evidence that 100% of his lawyers fees (or any %) are for the BC issue?
Also, why is the BC issue separate from solicitor general?
See, we're in agreement that he was born in kenya - but your standard for evidence (like your standard for GOP nominee) ain't that high...
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I was joking about the pro bono stuff.
and the gov of hawaii made the situation worse. He said his mission was to prove obama was a NBC by releasing the long form BC, and when he looked for it and tried, realized none existed.
Obama was not born in Hawaii. There are no hospital records, no birth records, nothing. I believe he was born in Washington State at this point, but the BC there has a different father listed. He uses 16 fake SS numbers, ad otherwise is still a complete mystery.
keep it to one CT at a time
here's a direct quote from spokeperson from the Department of Health (for future reference notice has this quote differs from the crap you offer up as quotes)
http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
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Even his own family disputes where he was born and who delivered him. No hospital records, no birth records, no doctor records, no long form BC, nothing whatsoever.
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Even his own family disputes where he was born and who delivered him. No hospital records, no birth records, no doctor records, no long form BC, nothing whatsoever.
so you're just choosing to ignore the direct quote from the spokeperson from the Department of Health that this is no long or short form?
hey but at least you have non quotes from unnamed family members on your side
seriously man
you're not actually an lawyer are you?
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so you're just choosing to ignore the direct quote from the spokeperson from the Department of Health that this is no long or short form?
hey but at least you have non quotes from unnamed family members on your side
seriously man
you're not actually an lawyer are you?
Yes i am disputing that since others bon at the same time as him have a long form BC which is readily available to peope born in HA on that supposed dateand place.
What they posted in 2007 was a forgery as ell as the SS number they listed.
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Yes i am disputing that since others bon at the same time as him have a long form BC which is readily available to peope born in HA on that supposed dateand place.
What they posted in 2007 was a forgery as ell as the SS number they listed.
so you're saying the spokeperson for the Department of Hawaii is lying or just that she's misinformed and you know the Hawaii birth certificates better than the spokesperson from the department of health
here we go again
any proof to support your claim or just conjecture, could have beens, etc..?
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The most convincing argument that Obama was born in HI is the announcement in the newspaper. Otherwise, there's red flags all over the place.
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The most convincing argument that Obama was born in HI is the announcement in the newspaper. Otherwise, there's red flags all over the place.
Yes, but the problem is that the birth announcement was done days after and di not have pertinent info from what i hear. Some tink it was done to try to confer citizenship since baa might actually be a British subject.
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LMAO - THEY REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE BIRTHER LAWSUITS YOU FUCKING MORON!
worldnetdaily ? really ?
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worldnetdaily ? really ?
They linked directly to the FED website showing the payments.
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They linked directly to the FED website showing the payments.
no they didn't but I did give you the link after you failed to provide it
now all you have to do is find the explicit proof of your claim and while you're at it you can also give proof to refute the statement by the spokesperson at the Hawaii Dept of Health that there is not long or short form BC
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no they didn't but I did give you the link after you failed to provide it
now all you have to do is find the explicit proof of your claim and while you're at it you can also give proof to refute the statement by the spokesperson at the Hawaii Dept of Health that there is not long or short form BC
please, 333386 works for a living; he doesn't have time to play here all the time.
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please, 333386 works for a living; he doesn't have time to play here all the time.
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Please you two twinks are a freaking a joke. I provided the name of the law firm who handled all the birther suits, how much they were paid, and now you two are still denying this?
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Please you two twinks are a freaking a joke. I provided the name of the law firm who handled all the birther suits, how much they were paid, and now you two are still denying this?
thank you for the twink reference; it will only motivate me at the gym today. It's always nice to get a compliment.
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i wonder how many of these birthers are moderate/independent/swing voters ???