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Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« on: March 04, 2010, 01:40:02 PM »
Now that President Obama and congressional Democrats have dug in their heels on passing a healthcare reform bill, it’s clear they are intent on driving off a cliff.

In the latest poll by CNN and Opinion Research, 73 percent of Americans say they are opposed to any healthcare legislation or say they want Congress to start over again with a new bill. Only 25 percent want the current legislation passed.

Even Warren Buffett, a staunch Obama supporter, now says the bill needs to be redrafted to focus on reducing costs by providing the proper “incentives” and getting rid of the “nonsense.”

Why are Democrats so oblivious to the will of the people and the impact on their chances for re-election?

The Democrats honestly believe that they will be seen as saviors because they will expand coverage to millions who don’t have health insurance now.

Never mind that the bill would cost trillions of dollars, increase taxes and premiums, cut Medicare reimbursements, ration treatment, and degrade the quality of care. To cover that up, Obama uses phony figures spelled out in a Wall Street Journal editorial today.

The Democrats’ blindness is akin to the Detroit automakers’ refusal to take into account what consumers want.

John Fitzgerald, president of Fitzgerald Auto Malls in Rockville, Md., says he pointed out to Detroit executives for decades that Consumer Reports’ ratings have a huge impact on what consumers buy. In the 1960s, General Motors and Chrysler represented 66 percent of Consumer Reports’ recommendations, he says, compared with just 14 percent in this decade.

Consumer Reports has consistently given Japanese cars scores far higher scores for quality and reliability than cars made by American manufacturers.

http://newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/barack-obama-healthcare-health/2010/03/04/id/351621

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 02:23:11 PM »
Im not so sure it will pass the house.I dont think that many of these guys are thrilled giving up their careers for Obama.

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 02:24:02 PM »
Im not so sure it will pass the house.I dont think that many of these guys are thrilled giving up their careers for Obama.

I wouldnt give up the dump I have take from eating taco bell for Obama, let alone my career. 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 02:26:26 PM »
People are pissed off TODAY.

Will they be this pissed off in 1040 days when the 2012 election comes around?

0bama is doing all this shit early in his term.  Clinton did the same thing with that POS Brady Bill.  He won re-election, even though congress got cleaned out

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 02:29:39 PM »
People are pissed off TODAY.

Will they be this pissed off in 1040 days when the 2012 election comes around?

0bama is doing all this shit early in his term.  Clinton did the same thing with that POS Brady Bill.  He won re-election, even though congress got cleaned out

I personally would like nothing better than to see a GOP congress and a impotent Obama just sitting there doing nothing but giving teleprompter speeches for a few years.

he can drink and smoke all he likes, just so long as all he does is give speeches and give tours to ayeres and wright around the WH.    

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 02:33:51 PM »
if he gets healthcare and does nothing more - he's accomplised more than most presidents.

Don't forget he'll push a POS amnesty bill thru next.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 02:47:03 PM »
if he gets healthcare and does nothing more - he's accomplised more than most presidents.

Don't forget he'll push a POS amnesty bill thru next.

Yeah, the last nail in the coffin of the USA. 

Obama is the worst POFS communist to ever sit in the WH.  Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln, Reagan, et al are all rolling in their graves with this disgraceful admn. 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 03:21:12 PM »
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People are pissed off TODAY.

Will they be this pissed off in 1040 days when the 2012 election comes around?

0bama is doing all this shit early in his term.  Clinton did the same thing with that POS Brady Bill.  He won re-election, even though congress got cleaned out

Bill Clinton knew he was in trouble, and brought in Dick Morris to save his ass.  Morris advised him to triangulate, He did and it worked. Obama thinks he can do no wrong, and he has no Dick Morris.

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 04:49:54 AM »
if he gets healthcare and does nothing more - he's accomplised more than most presidents.

Don't forget he'll push a POS amnesty bill thru next.

Accomplished? I used that word when it's something positive that benefits all americans, something that all americans want and doesn't put the nation on the verge of bankruptcy.  This health care plan is none of that. And if it's so great and Democrats are so concerned for the welfare of Americans, how come the "great benefits" of this plan won't kick in until 3 or 4 years from now?

I am not impressed with a president who had a filibuster proof super majority in both houses and now may have to resort to "reconciliation" just to squeak by bad legislation. It's obvious that many members of his own party can not agree on this health care bill.

Not being able to pass a viable health careplan by now, considering the super majority that they had, shows that Obama and Democrats don't know how to govern. Obama will go down as the worst president of all time. Mark my words.

 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2010, 06:05:07 AM »
if he gets healthcare and does nothing more - he's accomplised more than most presidents.

Don't forget he'll push a POS amnesty bill thru next.

Once Insurance Reform passes Americans will never look back....or give it back.  :D :D :D

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 06:09:55 AM »
Once Insurance Reform passes Americans will never look back....or give it back.  :D :D :D

Unreal.  You are so clueless its not even funny.   This disgraceful bill will drive your premiums way higher and who will you blame then? 

Simpletons like yourself will keep blaming the carriers, just like you clowns will blame the oil companies when cap & trade drives gas to $7 a gallon. 

 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 06:12:55 AM »
Once Insurance Reform passes Americans will never look back....or give it back.  :D :D :D

No doubt Obama will be considered an American hero once this PASSES.  :D :D :D


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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 06:13:25 AM »
Dan Boren, of Oklahoma, had me in stitches last night. He basically stated that Obama and Pelosi can break his arms, his legs, lock him in a closet, or whatever. THEY AIN'T getting his vote. If they do it will be "over my dead body".

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 06:15:18 AM »
No doubt Obama will be considered an American hero once this PASSES.  :D :D :D



Yep! Nothing says American hero like passsing something that three-quarters of Americans don't want, which will bankrupt our floundering economy, and give people sorry healthcare.  ::)

More like "American doofus".

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 06:19:11 AM »
No doubt Obama will be considered an American hero once this PASSES.  :D :D :D



Oh yeah, sending us into the fiscal abyss will make him a hero while everyone stays broke due to his continued communistic nonsense. 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 08:40:12 AM »
Oh yeah, sending us into the fiscal abyss will make him a hero while everyone stays broke due to his continued communistic nonsense. 

The heroes, if any, will be the Democrats who stand up to this foolishness (ala Dan Boren) and represent the American people desire, that this bill either restarted or scrapped.

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 09:02:46 AM »

Unfortunately for Democrats, that seven-hour televised exercise had the unintended consequence of showing the Republicans to be not only highly informed on the subject, but also, as even Obama was forced to admit, possessed of principled objections -- contradicting the ubiquitous Democratic/media meme that Republican opposition was nothing but nihilistic partisanship.

Republicans did so well, in fact, that in his summation, Obama was reduced to suggesting that his health care reform was indeed popular because when you ask people about individual items (for example, eliminating exclusions for pre-existing conditions or capping individual out-of-pocket payments) they are in favor.

Yet mystifyingly they oppose the whole package. How can that be?

Allow me to demystify. Imagine a bill granting every American a free federally delivered ice cream every Sunday morning. Provision 2: steak on Monday, also home delivered. Provision 3: A dozen red roses every Tuesday. You get the idea. Would each individual provision be popular in the polls? Of course.

However (life is a vale of howevers) suppose these provisions were bundled into a bill that also spelled out how the goodies are to be paid for and managed -- say, half a trillion dollars in new taxes, half a trillion in Medicare cuts (cuts not to keep Medicare solvent but to pay for the ice cream, steak and flowers), 118 new boards and commissions to administer the bounty-giving, and government regulation dictating, for example, how your steak was to be cooked. How do you think this would poll?

Perhaps something like 3-1 against, which is what the latest CNN poll shows is the citizenry's feeling about the current Democratic health care bills.

Late last year, Democrats were marveling at how close they were to historic health care reform, noting how much agreement had been achieved among so many factions. The only remaining detail was how to pay for it.

Well, yes. That has generally been the problem with democratic governance: cost. The disagreeable absence of a free lunch.

Which is what drove even strong Obama supporter Warren Buffett to go public with his judgment that the current Senate bill, while better than nothing, is a failure because the country desperately needs to bend the cost curve down and the bill doesn't do it. Buffett's advice would be to start over and get it right with a bill that says "we're just going to focus on costs and we're not going to dream up 2,000 pages of other things."



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/03/05/the_health_care_bill_is_a_failure.html

"Obama Akbar".....the suggested theme from Pelosi to Stupak, Boren, and other Dems, opposed to this foolishness.

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 10:29:14 AM »
Oh yeah, sending us into the fiscal abyss will make him a hero while everyone stays broke due to his continued communistic nonsense. 

Insurance Reform is necessary. All the stimulus spending etc. is useless and probably more harmful to our economy.   

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 10:30:42 AM »
Insurance Reform is necessary. All the stimulus spending etc. is useless and probably more harmful to our economy.   

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 10:52:00 AM »
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Whether you like it or not Insurance Reform is needed and will pass.  :D :D :D

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 10:54:47 AM »
Whether you like it or not Insurance Reform is needed and will pass.  :D :D :D

Pelosi does not have the votes. 

When my premiums skyrocket due tot his mess, can I send you the bill? 

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Re: Democrats Drive Over a Cliff on Healthcare
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 10:55:31 AM »
Whether you like it or not Insurance Reform is needed and will pass.  :D :D :D

Whether you like it or not? Where have we heard those words before?