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Just weeks after the liberal media condemned conservative politicians and news sources for asking questions about benghazi, complaining that they were politicizing a tragedy for political gain.
The same news sources are already using the recent tragedy in Conn. school shooting to push their gun control agenda.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-erupts-twitter-195914529.html
http://news.yahoo.com/the-longest-war--the-shooting-at-a-connecticut-school-shows--once-again--that-there%E2%80%99s-no-end-in-sight-to-our-lethal-way-of-life-233540096.html
where is the outrage at the politicizing of this tragedy???
will obama condemn the politicizing of this like he did benghazi?
OR WILL HE JOIN IN.........
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Buying another 1K rounds...and maybe another handgun. I'm lucky I'm headed to TX after Afghanistan.
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Buying another 1K rounds...and maybe another handgun. I'm lucky I'm headed to TX after Afghanistan.
Some of my boys are racing to buy an AR - what a bunch of morons.
I keep telling them WTF you waiting for!
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
I have zero respect for and despise anyone that even questions our second amendment rights.
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http://gawker.com/5968561/five-of-the-twelve-deadliest-gun-massacres-in-us-history-took-place-during-obamas-first-term/gallery/1
just sayin
anyone who thinks there is a correlation is a fucking moron
just sayin
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anyone who thinks there is a correlation is a fucking moron
just sayin
Just a coinkidink
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http://gawker.com/5968561/five-of-the-twelve-deadliest-gun-massacres-in-us-history-took-place-during-obamas-first-term/gallery/1
just sayin
My client lost here mom in the Seal beach massacre. I was training her at that time.
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will obama condemn the politicizing of this like he did benghazi?
OR WILL HE JOIN IN.........
McTones,this is another one of those times when some light reading before spouting off could have saved you some embarrassment. The White House has already addressed the tragedy and has said that now is not the time to discuss gun control. And with this administration, it will never be the time. I'm not sure why you right-wing basket-cases can't get it
through your thick skulls that this president has no desire to take away your guns.
3336, I know the only thing consistent about you is your level of
crazy, but humor me on this: How is it that you can start a thread about the NK security team being at a Christmas party during the satellite launch and argue that somehow that is a sign of a massive security failure. Yet, when you post a link that,if nothing else, outlines how the problem of mass shootings perpetrated by psychotics is on the rise and even suggest that the issue is linked to the president, you are offended at the idea that the current admin might do something to curtail the problem?
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McTones,this is another one of those times when some light reading before spouting off could have saved you some embarrassment. The White House has already addressed the tragedy and has said that now is not the time to discuss gun control. And with this administration, it will never be the time. I'm not sure why you right-wing basket-cases can't get it
through your thick skulls that this president has no desire to take away your guns.
3336, I know the only thing consistent about you is your level of
crazy, but humor me on this: How is it that you can start a thread about the NK security team being at a Christmas party during the satellite launch and argue that somehow that is a sign of a massive security failure. Yet, when you post a link that,if nothing else, outlines how the problem of mass shootings perpetrated by psychotics is on the rise and even suggest that the issue is linked to the president, you are offended at the idea that the current admin might do something to curtail the problem?
O-Twink = death of s nation
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O-Twink = death of s nation
Yep, I figured the answer was something like this. I also would have accepted "Obummers cnat have my guhNz", "Go Back to Kenya, Nobama" and "Barrack Hussein keeps hiding my car keys".
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Yep, I figured the answer was something like this. I also would have accepted "Obummers cnat have my guhNz", "Go Back to Kenya, Nobama" and "Barrack Hussein keeps hiding my car keys".
what would you expect,some on this board are just not tooooo bright, JUST SAYIN
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I don't feel like reading, writing, or thinking about political issues (I need a break) and so will limit myself to posting interesting images or pithy comments here and there.
(http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/b17e05c4-46bd-11e2-b12f-12313d1cec55-large.jpg)
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Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must ‘exploit’ shooting
The Washington Times ^ | 14 December, 2012 | Ben Wolfgang
Posted on December 15, 2012 9:11:18 AM EST by marktwain
A veteran Democratic lawmaker believes the nation will go along with stronger gun control laws if President Obama “exploits” the Newtown, Conn., tragedy and nudges Congress to action.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who represents portions of New York City, said he was encouraged by Mr. Obama’s statement on Friday afternoon that the mass shooting, which claimed the lives of 20 young children, requires “meaningful action” by Congress, but hopes those words turn into concrete legislation.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
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Mike Huckabee: Newtown Shooting No Surprise, We've 'Systematically Removed God' From Schools
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
This line of reasoning isn't new for Huckabee.
Speaking about a mass shooting in Aurora, Colo. over the summer, the former GOP presidential candidate claimed that such violent episodes were a function of a nation suffering from the removal of religion from the public sphere.
"We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem," Huckabee said on Fox News. "And since we've ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose."
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So you keep having these random shooting sprees across the nation.
The answer is simple, more guns. we know how easy it is for these loons to get guns, so what you need to do is arm the teachers and children so they can defend themselves.
The solution is so blindingly obvious.
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McTones,this is another one of those times when some light reading before spouting off could have saved you some embarrassment. The White House has already addressed the tragedy and has said that now is not the time to discuss gun control. And with this administration, it will never be the time. I'm not sure why you right-wing basket-cases can't get it
through your thick skulls that this president has no desire to take away
That's good what's the over under on how long he will wait?
Ahhhhhh except he has already stated he would see if he could reinstate the assault weapons ban less than 2 months ago....
A little research could have kept you from spouting off and saved you this embarrassment ;-) lol
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I don't feel like reading, writing, or thinking about political issues (I need a break) and so will limit myself to posting interesting images or pithy comments here and there.
Garebear, is that you??
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Just weeks after the liberal media condemned conservative politicians and news sources for asking questions about benghazi, complaining that they were politicizing a tragedy for political gain.
The same news sources are already using the recent tragedy in Conn. school shooting to push their gun control agenda.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-control-debate-erupts-twitter-195914529.html
http://news.yahoo.com/the-longest-war--the-shooting-at-a-connecticut-school-shows--once-again--that-there%E2%80%99s-no-end-in-sight-to-our-lethal-way-of-life-233540096.html
where is the outrage at the politicizing of this tragedy???
will obama condemn the politicizing of this like he did benghazi?
OR WILL HE JOIN IN.........
Does not surprise me. Happens after pretty much every high profile shooting. My liberal friends were demanding gun bans before the bodies were cold.
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Does not surprise me. Happens after pretty much every high profile shooting. My liberal friends were demanding gun bans before the bodies were cold.
Your liberal friends are a bunch of idiots.
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Your liberal friends are a bunch of idiots.
Nah. Very smart, but ideologues. Good people.
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Nah. Very smart, but ideologues. Good people.
Lol.
I'm sure they are for drug legalization but banning guns right?
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I don't feel like reading, writing, or thinking about political issues (I need a break) and so will limit myself to posting interesting images or pithy comments here and there.
(http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/b17e05c4-46bd-11e2-b12f-12313d1cec55-large.jpg)
I ganked this and posted it on the main board. Thank you sir.
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That's good what's the over under on how long he will wait?
Ahhhhhh except he has already stated he would see if he could reinstate the assault weapons ban less than 2 months ago....
A little research could have kept you from spouting off and saved you this embarrassment ;-) lol
Sorry, you can keep all of the ignorance and embarrassment for yourself. Let me quote myself:
And with this administration, it will never be the time. I'm not sure why you right-wing basket-cases can't get it
through your thick skulls that this president has no desire to take away your guns.
I don't say that as a point of congratulations, necessarily, but as a matter of fact. This administration has no desire to take on something as contentious as the gun control battle. For all of the histrionics coming from the right about this "socialist" or "leftist" administration, Obama is solidly centrist. Even when he has made statements in support of gun control , it has been with the utmost trepidation. Even when he talked about reintroducing the assault weapons ban, he did it with the caveat that that was one of several things he was "considering" but was more interested in a big picture discussion on the matter. In other words, not a priority.
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Mike Huckabee: Newtown Shooting No Surprise, We've 'Systematically Removed God' From Schools
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) weighed in on the massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. on Friday, saying the crime was no surprise because we have "systematically removed God" from public schools.
"We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?"
This line of reasoning isn't new for Huckabee.
Speaking about a mass shooting in Aurora, Colo. over the summer, the former GOP presidential candidate claimed that such violent episodes were a function of a nation suffering from the removal of religion from the public sphere.
"We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem," Huckabee said on Fox News. "And since we've ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose."
which shows what a tool Huck is.
The shooting happened because we took God outta the schools?
right.
and you see how well God protects the kids from pedophiles in the churches!
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Sorry, you can keep all of the ignorance and embarrassment for yourself. Let me quote myself:
I don't say that as a point of congratulations, necessarily, but as a matter of fact. This administration has no desire to take on something as contentious as the gun control battle. For all of the histrionics coming from the right about this "socialist" or "leftist" administration, Obama is solidly centrist. Even when he has made statements in support of gun control , it has been with the utmost trepidation. Even when he talked about reintroducing the assault weapons ban, he did it with the caveat that that was one of several things he was "considering" but was more interested in a big picture discussion on the matter. In other words, not a priority.
so you admit hit wants to reintroduce the assault weapons ban but still feel he doesnt want to take away any guns?
brilliant liberal logic there, almost as ignorant as gun laws arent about the 2nd ammendment argument...;-)
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so you admit hit wants to reintroduce the assault weapons ban but still feel he doesnt want to take away any guns?
brilliant liberal logic there, almost as ignorant as gun laws arent about the 2nd ammendment argument...;-)
This is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I said. I said that he SAID he wants to introduce assault weapons ban because it was politically expedient. On gun control, his second term will go like his first term in that it will be a non-issue.
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This is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I said. I said that he SAID he wants to introduce assault weapons ban because it was politically expedient. On gun control, his second term will go like his first term in that it will be a non-issue.
so you dont feel a new AWB is considered gun control?
or you feel that b/c it was already instated once it doesnt really count as him trying to take away guns?
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so you dont feel a new AWB is considered gun control?
or you feel that b/c it was already instated once it doesnt really count as him trying to take away guns?
How much clearer can I make this: there will be no assualt weapons ban. At least as much as the right, Obama just wants to move into the next news cycle. It is not a fight this administration is interested in and any tepid lip service they pay to the subject is purely to appease the base.
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How much clearer can I make this: there will be no assualt weapons ban. At least as much as the right, Obama just wants to move into the next news cycle. It is not a fight this administration is interested in and any tepid lip service they pay to the subject is purely to appease the base.
I see so we must believe that obama was just pandering?
I agree its not a fight obama wants but that doesnt mean obama wont jump at an opportunity.
Obama expressly said he wants a new AWB, to even say that obama doesnt want more gun control or that he wouldnt do it given the chance it plain fuking ignorant...
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which shows what a tool Huck is.
The shooting happened because we took God outta the schools?
right.
and you see how well God protects the kids from pedophiles in the churches!
In virginia there have been 10 church shootings in the past 5 years... I guess God doesn't like churches either.
;)
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I see so we must believe that obama was just pandering?
I agree its not a fight obama wants but that doesnt mean obama wont jump at an opportunity.
Obama expressly said he wants a new AWB, to even say that obama doesnt want more gun control or that he wouldnt do it given the chance it plain fuking ignorant...
Because he was so aggressive on gun control during his first term? Oh, wait there was no reason for him to be... 333 posted a link in this very thread showing how few massive acts of gun violence there have been during his presidency, so he was probably just waiting for the rare act of gun violence to finally exploit. It would be exactly the type of presidency defining platform he's looking for- an easy fight that everyone can get behind. And he's got nothing else on his plate, so it might help kill the time between now and 2016.
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Al doggity-
Yesterday MSNBC reported that Obama's spoksman said that an assault weapons ban is "a commitment" of the President. They want it, they said they are going to do it, and now they have a tragedy to justify it. To hell with that pesky little document called the US Constitution. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong. It's coming and coming soon.
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Al doggity-
Yesterday MSNBC reported that Obama's spoksman said that an assault weapons ban is "a commitment" of the President. They want it, they said they are going to do it, and now they have a tragedy to justify it. To hell with that pesky little document called the US Constitution. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong. It's coming and coming soon.
Was an AR even used in the killing? I thought it was two pistols. One news site said that there was a Remmington .223 "in the car"... and of course they showed a picture of a decked out M4 with all the bells and whistles... Fucking scare tactics.
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In virginia there have been 10 church shootings in the past 5 years... I guess God doesn't like churches either.
;)
Or Virginia :)
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Because he was so aggressive on gun control during his first term? Oh, wait there was no reason for him to be... 333 posted a link in this very thread showing how few massive acts of gun violence there have been during his presidency, so he was probably just waiting for the rare act of gun violence to finally exploit. It would be exactly the type of presidency defining platform he's looking for- an easy fight that everyone can get behind. And he's got nothing else on his plate, so it might help kill the time between now and 2016.
so youre defense is that b/c a politician didnt try to get gun control passed in his first term when he knew he was going to be facing a tough election he wont try and get it passed after winning his 2nd term in which he will not run for office anymore?
Even though he has publicly admitted he wants it, even though his press sec. has publicly admitted it....
Brilliant liberal logic there.
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so youre defense is that b/c a politician didnt try to get gun control passed in his first term when he knew he was going to be facing a tough election he wont try and get it passed after winning his 2nd term in which he will not run for office anymore?
Even though he has publicly admitted he wants it, even though his press sec. has publicly admitted it....
Brilliant liberal logic there.
Well, McTones, when AWB legislation is introduced, you can bump this thread and rub it in my face. ;)
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Well, McTones, when AWB legislation is introduced, you can bump this thread and rub it in my face. ;)
More meaningless left wing baby nonsense. AWB won't do dick.
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More meaningless left wing baby nonsense. AWB won't do dick.
Obama agrees with you:
“But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.”
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Obama agrees with you:
“But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don’t belong on our streets. And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns.”
Re read that and now you know why Obama is one of the dumbest fucking potus of all time.
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Re read that and now you know why Obama is one of the dumbest fucking potus of all time.
Naw...
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Naw...
He is proposing to do something he admits will not solve the problem. Typical Obama.
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He is proposing to do something he admits will not solve the problem. Typical Obama.
There won't be an assault weapons ban push. The quote itself is an attempt to sidestep the issue. This is a president that signed bills allowing guns in national parks and on Amtrak trains.
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There won't be an assault weapons ban push. The quote itself is an attempt to sidestep the issue. This is a president that signed bills allowing guns in national parks and on Amtrak trains.
http://news.yahoo.com/democratic-senators-want-ban-assault-weapons-193340839--politics.html
http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-vow-push-gun-control-measures-congress-174832152.html
bump, to throw it in your ignorant face ;)
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http://news.yahoo.com/democratic-senators-want-ban-assault-weapons-193340839--politics.html
http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-vow-push-gun-control-measures-congress-174832152.html
bump, to throw it in your ignorant face ;)
Congratulations, tony. You finally got one right. And the article you linked actually SUPPORTS your point. ;)
PS I do hope you understand that you're not actually throwing anything in my face. I don't think AWB is for shit, but I fully support stronger gun control measures and have been disappointed that a former senator from Chicago hasn't made gun violence a higher priority. I still feel like Obama will enter the fray as cautiously as possible, if at all. We'll see how it plays out.
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Congratulations, tony. You finally got one right. And the article you linked actually SUPPORTS your point. ;)
PS I do hope you understand that you're not actually throwing anything in my face. I don't think AWB is for shit, but I fully support stronger gun control measures and have been disappointed that a former senator from Chicago hasn't made gun violence a higher priority. I still feel like Obama will enter the fray as cautiously as possible, if at all. We'll see how it plays out.
congrats you finally admitted you got one wrong...;)
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He is proposing to do something he admits will not solve the problem. Typical Obama.
did he propose it tonight in his speech?
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did he propose it tonight in his speech?
LOL so he has admitted in the past, his press secretary admitted it a few days ago and you still dont believe him eh?
I dont think the reps are against tax hikes for the rich after all they have only said they are many times but it must all be pandering...::)
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He hinted at it but, as per usual, is too much of a pussy to come out with it. He'll only do that if polling shows it to be politically worthwhile.
Agree. He danced all over the subject.
"I will use the full power of the federal government to stop any more mass shootings from happening"
"We aren't doing enough for the safety of our children. We are going to have to make uncomfortable changes in order to ensure the security of our youth"
Etc, etc. That is paraphrased btw.
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congrats you finally admitted you got one wrong...;)
I know you've had some trouble with "negotiation", "renege" and "compromise, so I'm wondering if you don't know what "congrats" means either. This isn't really something for which you'd congratulate someone.
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Agree. He danced all over the subject.
"I will use the full power of the federal government to stop any more mass shootings from happening"
"We aren't doing enough for the safety of our children. We are going to have to make uncomfortable changes in order to ensure the security of our youth"
Etc, etc. That is paraphrased btw.
He's not a president that wants to make gun control an issue. He wants to move onto the next news cycle as badly as the Repubs. He's probably complaining to Michelle about how much of a kyunt Diane Feinstein is.
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I know you've had some trouble with "negotiation", "renege" and "compromise, so I'm wondering if you don't know what "congrats" means either. This isn't really something for which you'd congratulate someone.
hahah for someone with the delusions of granduer that you have it certainly is my friend ;)
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He's not a president that wants to make gun control an issue. He wants to move onto the next news cycle as badly as the Repubs. He's probably complaining to Michelle about how much of a kyunt Diane Feinstein is.
Why would he care now? Not like he's running for office again. Other than that, there is probably some wisdom to what you said.
However, I believe he wants to do something, he just doesn't want to have to deal with the backlash.
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He's not a president that wants to make gun control an issue. He wants to move onto the next news cycle as badly as the Repubs. He's probably complaining to Michelle about how much of a kyunt Diane Feinstein is.
he is an idealogue and as such will take any opportunity to further his ideology.
I agree he is smart enough to know that this isnt a fight he wants or can win but that doesnt mean he doesnt want to reinstate former legislation or institute new legislation. He just knows it wouldnt pass and would likely cause big losses in the next mid terms again.
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Why would he care now? Not like he's running for office again. Other than that, there is probably some wisdom to what you said.
However, I believe he wants to do something, he just doesn't want to have to deal with the backlash.
As I posted upthread, the gun legislation he has passed hasn't been anti-gun. He signed bills to allow people to carry on Amtrak and in national parks. When he was asked about AWB at the debates, he pretty much side stepped the question. I don't think he's hiding his desire to take. away your guns. I think he doesn't care and has been relieved that it hasnt been a real issue during his presidency up until now. Some see it as him pussy footing for the sake of deciphering the polls. His tune will be dictated by polls, but I think it really is a battle he has no interest in to begin with, and is even less inclined to want to be a part of because he knows how contentious it will be.
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I should have been a little clearer earlier in this thread in that what I meant was that I don't think OBAMA is going to play a big part in AWB legislation. At least, by choice. I really don't see him using executive privilege to reinstate it. I suspect he will only play ball with Dems in the most half-earted manner possible unless public opinion gets too hot. I think he will drag his feet and try to lay low on the issue until it's no longer at the forefront of everyone's minds. I don't know if that will work.
Either way, I'm not too arsed. I'd like some real moves on gun violence, but AWB is not it.
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hahah for someone with the delusions of granduer that you have it certainly is my friend ;)
Being able to read and comprehend a news article is not a "delusion of grandeur".
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In virginia there have been 10 church shootings in the past 5 years... I guess God doesn't like churches either.
;)
bingo.
god must not like little kids in churches; look at the pedophiles still in charge.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanzas-former-babysitter-speaks-2012-12
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bingo.
god must not like little kids in churches; look at the pedophiles still in charge.
Maybe god is a pedo?