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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2013, 05:23:54 PM »
Arnold's size for his frame stands the test of time, at 230 he competed against a 275 lb Lou ferrigno and made him look small, no doubt Arnold could stand with the best of today, no present or past bber has the natural physique lines Arnold has, and the way he presents the illusion he knew how to position his body and maximized the natural aesthetics of bbing, not many can do it like Arnold did.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2013, 05:35:29 PM »
Arnold's size for his frame stand the test of time, at 230 he competed against a 275 lb Lou ferruginous and made him look small, no doubt Arnold could stand with the best of today, no present or past bber has the natural physique lines Arnold has, and the way he presents the illusion he knew how to position his body and maximized the natural aesthetics of bbing, not many can do it like Arnold did.
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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2013, 06:17:12 PM »
Arnold remains the best.  Phil is worthless.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2013, 06:24:25 PM »
at he peak greatest arms ever ...
Arnold schooling Ronnie!


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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2013, 06:34:12 PM »
Arnold schooling Ronnie!



If you don't have an understanding of lines and aesthetics, you simply cannot know how to pose well.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2013, 10:25:13 PM »
The reasons Arnold was so much lighter height for pound than today's guys are:

1. Today's guys have to build fairly large muscles in their glutes to get them striated.
The glutes are the largest muscle in the body and Arnold's weren't big.

2. The legs overall are much bigger today and that accounts for a lot of the extra weight.

3. Arnold had a peeled back but it wasn't super thick like a lot of top guys now.
(Although in 1974 his back was thicker than any other time in his career.)

4. The waists protrude which accounts for more unneeded weight.

Arnold just didn't carry a ton of muscle in the largest muscle groups; glutes, legs and back.

There are only a handful of guys that carried extreme mass with incredible aesthetics.
Arnold is one of them. The best example of a modern BB who had this trait is Levrone.

Arnold also is one of the best examples of a bodybuilder who just explodes when he poses.
Ronnie is a good example too early in his Olympia reign.
We all have seen bodybuilders that look awesome standing there but not much happens
when they start posing. Arnold was the antithesis of that.
Aesthetic Arnold:


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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2013, 10:26:30 PM »

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2013, 01:43:02 PM »
who else if not him

A reasonable question, but think about it, broham.  There are tons of choices.  Ronnie might have the very biggest (at least comparable in size to other 280 lbers., like Ruehl and Dillet.  Matarrazzo had some crazy-big arms, too), but biggest doesn't necessarily mean best, even with the kind of mad detail and hardness Ronnie's arms had.

It really depends on the criteria you use.  Would you say his arms were more complete than Paul Dillet's?  Ronnie's triceps were thick, but consider how they looked in a side-triceps.  When he was on top, they were cross-striated, but they didn't have the roundness or flair of Levrone's, Dillet's.

You could make a pretty good argument that Paul Demayo (don't laugh!) had some of the best-ever arm development.  Biceps, triceps, giant forearms -- he had it all. 

Then there are dudes like Freddy Ortiz, Lee Priest, Danny Padilla, Arnold of course, Terry Pastell, Sergio Oliva, Flex circa '92-'96, Vince Taylor, Brian Buchanan, that squinty-eyed Winklaar dude (at least for tris), Rick Valente for the same reason, Zack Khan, Victor Richards ...

I'm not saying any of the aforementioned necessarily have BETTER arms than Ronnie, but some of them do have things he lacked.  Yeah, I know his forearms were huge, but no one in his right mind would suggest he had better upper to lower arm proportions than Priest or Oliva, for example.

Personally, I'd probably go with Dillet for best arms overall, but I have to admit this pic makes me straddle the fence:

  Gunter's arms were HUGE there, yet Ronnie was making him look like a pale, smooth jerk-off.  And I can only imagine Paul standing next to them; even in his prime, he'd be shaking and cramping up left and right, LOL.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2013, 08:01:37 PM »
The reasons Arnold was so much lighter height for pound than today's guys are:

1. Today's guys have to build fairly large muscles in their glutes to get them striated.
The glutes are the largest muscle in the body and Arnold's weren't big.

2. The legs overall are much bigger today and that accounts for a lot of the extra weight.

3. Arnold had a peeled back but it wasn't super thick like a lot of top guys now.
(Although in 1974 his back was thicker than any other time in his career.)

4. The waists protrude which accounts for more unneeded weight.

Arnold just didn't carry a ton of muscle in the largest muscle groups; glutes, legs and back.

There are only a handful of guys that carried extreme mass with incredible aesthetics.
Arnold is one of them. The best example of a modern BB who had this trait is Levrone.

Arnold also is one of the best examples of a bodybuilder who just explodes when he poses.
Ronnie is a good example too early in his Olympia reign.
We all have seen bodybuilders that look awesome standing there but not much happens
when they start posing. Arnold was the antithesis of that.
Aesthetic Arnold:



5. They exaggerate their bodyweights because bigger is always better.

6. They could stand to lose another 30 pounds of water even in stage condition but they won't because no-one is ripped so no-one will really notice if you're smooth as fuck.

These are the main reasons.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2013, 05:59:07 AM »
No doubt Phil would beat Arnold but Arnold was from a different era
and was way ahead of his time. People mainly remember the 1975 Arnold
and 1980 Arnold but the 73-74 versions were in a different league than those
versions.



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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2013, 06:28:06 AM »
Nobody compares to Arnold, especially the narrowest bodybuilder to ever step onstage. 

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2013, 07:44:29 AM »
Nobody compares to Arnold, especially the narrowest bodybuilder to ever step onstage. 
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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2013, 12:59:08 PM »
A reasonable question, but think about it, broham.  There are tons of choices.  Ronnie might have the very biggest (at least comparable in size to other 280 lbers., like Ruehl and Dillet.  Matarrazzo had some crazy-big arms, too), but biggest doesn't necessarily mean best, even with the kind of mad detail and hardness Ronnie's arms had.

It really depends on the criteria you use.  Would you say his arms were more complete than Paul Dillet's?  Ronnie's triceps were thick, but consider how they looked in a side-triceps.  When he was on top, they were cross-striated, but they didn't have the roundness or flair of Levrone's, Dillet's.

You could make a pretty good argument that Paul Demayo (don't laugh!) had some of the best-ever arm development.  Biceps, triceps, giant forearms -- he had it all. 

Then there are dudes like Freddy Ortiz, Lee Priest, Danny Padilla, Arnold of course, Terry Pastell, Sergio Oliva, Flex circa '92-'96, Vince Taylor, Brian Buchanan, that squinty-eyed Winklaar dude (at least for tris), Rick Valente for the same reason, Zack Khan, Victor Richards ...

I'm not saying any of the aforementioned necessarily have BETTER arms than Ronnie, but some of them do have things he lacked.  Yeah, I know his forearms were huge, but no one in his right mind would suggest he had better upper to lower arm proportions than Priest or Oliva, for example.

Personally, I'd probably go with Dillet for best arms overall, but I have to admit this pic makes me straddle the fence:

  Gunter's arms were HUGE there, yet Ronnie was making him look like a pale, smooth jerk-off.  And I can only imagine Paul standing next to them; even in his prime, he'd be shaking and cramping up left and right, LOL.



Ronnies tries were super big see COD or unbelievable... just wasnt as seperatedon the outer head as levrones.....


inner head and overall tricep and arm is bigger than levrone...
however neither levrone or dillet can be mentioned in the same sentence as ronnie when it comes to bis... vascularity and qualty...
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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2013, 01:07:31 PM »
Maybe not ever, but he's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up there on the "best arms" list, no doubt.

 who else is ahead of him  ???


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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2013, 06:24:28 PM »
Bit harsh on phil as arnold's forearm is angled a lot more to the camera making it appear bigger. Nonetheless arnie's guns were a big hit with the ladies back in the day



yes as Phil is the one that is use to stepping closer to the camera...Now he knows how it feels ;)

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2013, 08:31:26 AM »
arnold thing was biceps phil arms are mor complete . 40 years difference . almost a different sport .

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2013, 08:41:32 AM »
5. They exaggerate their bodyweights because bigger is always better.

6. They could stand to lose another 30 pounds of water even in stage condition but they won't because no-one is ripped so no-one will really notice if you're smooth as fuck.

These are the main reasons.
i think it would probably be better to either state one's real weight or lie and under represent your weight. It would really mess with someone's head if they were beaten by a lighter person a la 97 Arnold Flex vs Nasser.

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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2013, 08:49:53 AM »
Please don't disgrace Arnold like this. This is more upsetting than the "women love to be raped" thread. Arnold pics should be kept very separate from modern blowupdolls with guts.


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Re: Arnold vs Phil
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2013, 06:43:29 PM »
Please don't disgrace Arnold like this. This is more upsetting than the "women love to be raped" thread. Arnold pics should be kept very separate from modern blowupdolls with guts.



yup

comparing a bodybuilder to a freakshow cartoon lookalike, apples and oranges.