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Another presidential hopeful for 2012 just had his hopes dashed. A lot of people must have suspected it - repubs voices were declaring his career over hours before his 2 pm press conference. Drudge was oddly quiet on this for the last week...
Gov. Mark Sanford admitted today that his secret trip to Argentina over Father's Day weekend was to visit a woman he is having an affair with.
"I have developed a relationship with what started as a dear dear friend from Argentina. It began very innocently as I expect many of these things do, just casual email back and forth," Sanford said. "But here recently this last year developed into something much more."
Asked if Sanford was separated from his wife, he said "I don't know how you want to define that. I"m here and she's there. I guess in a formal sense we are not."
Sanford said his wife has known about the affair and they have been working through it for the past five months. "What I did was wrong, period. End of story," Sanford said.
Sanford arrived in the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport this morning, having wrapped up a seven-day visit to Buenos Aires, Argentina, he said then. Sanford said he had not been hiking along the Appalachian Trail, as his staff said in a Tuesday statement to the media.
Sanford's whereabouts had been unknown since Thursday, and the mystery surrounding his absence fueled speculation about where he had been and who's in charge in his absence. His emergence Wednesday ended the mystery.
Sanford, in an interview with The State, said he decided at the last minute to go to the South American country to recharge after a difficult legislative session in which he battled with lawmakers over how to spend federal stimulus money.
Sanford said he had considered hiking on the Appalachian Trail, an activity he said he has enjoyed since he was a high school student.
"But I said 'no' I wanted to do something exotic," Sanford said "... It's a great city."
Sanford, in a brief interview in the nation's busiest airport, said he has been to the city twice before, most recently about a year and half ago during a Commerce Department trip.
Sanford said he was alone on the trip. He declined to give any additional details about what he did other than to say he drove along the coastline.
Sanford, who was wearing a blue and white button down shirt and brown denim pants, said he left for Buenos Aires on Thursday night from Columbia Metropolitan Airport and had originally planned to come back tomorrow.
Media reports said a SLED SUV the governor drove that night was spotted in the airport's parking lot.
Sanford's spokesman Joel Sawyer declined to immediately comment to The Associated Press, and the governor did not return cell phone messages.
Sanford planned a news conference at 2 p.m. Wednesday at his office in Columbia.
Critics slammed his administration for lying to the public.
"Lies. Lies. Lies. That's all we get from his staff. That's all we get from his people. That's all we get from him," said state Sen. Jake Knotts, R-West Columbia. "Why all the big cover-up?"
Trying to drive along the coast could frustrate a weekend visitor to Argentina. In Buenos Aires, the Avenida Costanera is the only coastal road, and it's less than two miles long. Reaching coastal resorts to the south requires a drive of nearly four hours on an inland highway with views of endless cattle ranches. To the north is a river delta of islands reached only by boat.
A spokesman for Argentina's immigration agency wouldn't comment Wednesday on whether Sanford entered the country, citing privacy laws.
The governor said he cut his trip short after his chief of staff, Scott English, told him his trip was gaining a lot of media attention and he needed to come back.
When asked why his staff said he was on the Appalachian Trail, Sanford replied, "I don't know."
Sanford later said "in fairness to his staff," he had told them he might go hiking on the Appalachian Trial.
Sanford said he decided not to return via the Columbia airport to avoid the media. The State Media Company was the only media who greeted Sanford this morning.
"I don't know how this thing got blown out of proportion," Sanford said.
Sanford said he has taken adventure trips for years to unwind. He has visited such places as the coast of Turkey, the Greek Isles and South America. He was with friends sometimes and sometimes by himself.
"I would get out of the bubble I am in," Sanford said.
Sanford said the legislative session was a difficult one for him, particularly losing the fight over whether he should accept stimulus $700 million in stimulus money he wanted lawmakers to spend on debt instead of urgent budget needs.
"It was a long session and I needed a break," Sanford said.
After a brief conversation with a reporter, Sanford was escorted away by an aide.
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Family Values
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Family Values
Another Dem governor, at it again.
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Does anyone know if Sanford was a Promise Keeper?
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Another Dem governor, at it again.
he is a rep dumbass
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he is a rep dumbass
I'm pretty sure Rob knows that
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Pardon me while I put on my big surprise face. ::)
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he is a rep dumbass
Rep. Family Values
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Rep. Family Values
i was referring to 240 and his failed and see through attempt to get ppl so self own themselves by ragging on this guy for being a dem and cheating and then going haaaa he is a rep....oz i know you guys dont do much modding around here or not as much as the other boards anyway but the shit on this board has gotten extreme lately with the trolling and stupid ass comments, anyway you guys could do something about that?
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he is a rep dumbass
i doubt it.
dude abandons his job, his state, his family to bang some married chick in south america on the state's dime...
he's a dem, dude. I'm sure of it.
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i doubt it.
dude abandons his job, his state, his family to bang some married chick in south america on the state's dime...
he's a dem, dude. I'm sure of it.
Damn! That pussy must be real good! 8)
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Hot off the presses :: Republican strategists have informed the RNC to declare a spending freeze on designer clothing and increase funding for chastity devices :P
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If this is so significant, and if it counts against Republicans, then is it just as significant and does it count for Republicans that Bush1 never cheated on his wife, Bush2 never cheated on his wife, but Bill Clinton did cheat on Hillary?
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Thank God no Democrat has ever cheated on their wives.I mean why cant these republicans try to be more like Bill Clinton,or Ted Kennedy or JFK or...?
Now,this Sanford must be a real a-hole.Your cheating on your wife,so you go away for 5 days,tell no one where you are ON FATHERS DAY and think your going to get away with it?Forget the amazing lack of values or loyalty to your wife,what the fuck kind of plan was that?Its obvious he wanted to get caught.Ive NEVER seen anything as dumb as this by ANYONE in politics.This trumps the Barney Frank prostitution ring.This guy is a real dickhead.
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Repubs need some more abistence education
If you don't want to fuck the wife then you have to abstain....it's just that simple
Abstinence never fails
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Repubs need some more abistence education
If you don't want to fuck the wife then you have to abstain....it's just that simple
Abstinence never fails
Or they can get head jobs from skanky bitches and then walk out of a church with a Bible thats the size of a coffe table and mouth "I LOVE YOU" YOU THE WIFE YOU CHEATED ON like that bastion of morality Bill Clinton.
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Repubs need some more abistence education
If you don't want to fuck the wife then you have to abstain....it's just that simple
Abstinence never fails
So do Dems it seems:
Most of these were Dems:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Sexual-Affairs-by-US-Presidents
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If this is so significant, and if it counts against Republicans, then is it just as significant and does it count for Republicans that Bush1 never cheated on his wife, Bush2 never cheated on his wife, but Bill Clinton did cheat on Hillary?
Infidelity is wrong regardless of party affiliation; however, the significance of Newt, Ensign, and Sanford's behavior is found in the fact that these same politicians went on a morality crusade against Bill Clinton and the democrats. Any politician that declares he or she is a defender of the "sanctity" of marriage while willfully violating that same so called sanctity in his or her own marriage must be made to account for his or her hypocrisy. Furthermore, Governor Sanford's affair scandal is substantially significant since the Governor failed to tell his family, his staff, or any government official/body of his whereabouts. Governor Sanford's behavior was not only immoral, but also highly unethical and irresponsible. No politician in any party should get away with engaging in unethical behavior. And, please do not forget that President Clinton was impeached by the House for his actions.
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Source: 2002 SC Gubernatorial National Political Awareness Test Nov 1, 2002
Mark Sanford supports the following (at least he did in 2002):
Support national standards and testing of public school students.
Support teacher testing and reward teachers with merit pay.
Support displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools.
Endorse teacher-led voluntary prayer in public schools.
Require public schools to administer high school exit exams.
Support abstinence-only sexual education programs.
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i'd like to see a politician say "i could care less who bangs who, just fix the economy".
I thin kmost people would agree with him on it.
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yea except...you know
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Politicians have proven time and time again that they aren't bastions of moral excellence. They are just like everyone else underneath except for the fact that they have bloated egos and power.
Is Sanford a good Gov.? From what I've seen and read, yes.
He had an affair, shit happens. Another Congressmen bangs a hooker, shit happens. Some ones gay, woopdee doo.
The point of this whole exercise, as some have rightly pointed out, is because the (R) continue to preach morals themselves and through their legislation. This is when things turn worse because Mr. Morality has skipped out of town to bang some exotic S. American, or Congressional page or whatnot. All this morals and values stuff is academic, they have to preach it because it appeals to their constituents, which are people with some or a lot of religious faith. Ditch the Religious "Right" and we can get back to actual politics and governance.
The Republican Party went down this "morality" path when the Religious groups began to co-opt them.
The Republican Party was and should be about fiscal sanity, balanced budgets, low taxes, small(er) unobtrusive govt and non-interventionist foreign policy. Not morals, gay marriage and the like....that shit is more the religious power-idiots channeling our politicians. The same channeling happens to the (D)'s as well with power-idiots on their side of the issues but the (D)'s usually don't preach morality so threads like these don't carry as much weight.
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i'd like to see a politician say "i could care less who bangs who, just fix the economy".
I thin kmost people would agree with him on it.
You'd think the party that claims to want to stay out of your private life would agree with that
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Another Dem governor, at it again.
You mean like
McGreevy
Patterson
Spitzer
Blago
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You'd think the party that claims to want to stay out of your private life would agree with that
As I stated in my post above, that is what the Republican Conservatives are based on. Which is then a giant contradiction because they want you(us) to adhere by strict qausi-Christian dogma. It's bullshit. Stay out of my life, don't preach to me about values and let the law take its course if I'm doing something illegal.
Personal responsibility, freedom and an unobtrusive govt......wtf?
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As I stated in my post above, that is what the Republican Conservatives are based on. Which is then a giant contradiction because they want you(us) to adhere by strict qausi-Christian dogma. It's bullshit. Stay out of my life, don't preach to me about values and let the law take its course if I'm doing something illegal.
Personal responsibility, freedom and an unobtrusive govt......wtf?
yep - kind of funny huh?
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yep - kind of funny huh?
Shit, I'm a conservative and this shit pisses me off. Expel the overtly and not so overtly religious elements from the party and or at the very least begin to shift away from this garbage. Yeah, I like solid value and morals, sure, but this has to stop.
People might say "Well if they ditch the religious types they will just go to the Dem side." That would be fucking great and hilarious. The pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage party that is backed by many not so "moral value Christian" types would make a great home for the Religious Groups. God that would be great.
Actually, the inherent hem and haw that would result from the flood of religious groups into the Left would make for a great power struggle and so many politicians spinning and walking the tight-rope that their collective heads would explode. It would be great theater.
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i'd like to see a politician say "i could care less who bangs who, just fix the economy".
I thin kmost people would agree with him on it.
It goes so far beyond that.How about letting ALL of us just live our lives.If a gay wants to marry ,who cares?If a man wants to use steroids,who cares?If a guy wants to cheat on his wife,who cares?It will never happen.Every one of these fools have an angle to control us.Its their lifes work and we keep voting them in.Dems like to control our money and our feelings about others republicans want to control our bedrooms and our souls and both parties think they can dictate our health choices.Its disgusting.
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It goes so far beyond that.How about letting ALL of us just live our lives.If a gay wants to marry ,who cares?If a man wants to use steroids,who cares?If a guy wants to cheat on his wife,who cares?It will never happen.Every one of these fools have an angle to control us.Its their lifes work and we keep voting them in.Dems like to control our money and our feelings about others republicans want to control our bedrooms and our souls and both parties think they can dictate our health choices.Its disgusting.
how about if I go to work I get to keep my money without it being sliced and diced by liberal busy bodies????
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again, billy, i agree with you. I'm all for personal freedoms.
it's the repubs who try to legislate morality actually, which is why it's a bigger deal when they have affairs. You get a dem with an open marriage... who cares who the guy bangs. When a repub sits on family values committees, etc, then dates secret married mistress on state dime, it's a big deal.
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again, billy, i agree with you. I'm all for personal freedoms.
it's the repubs who try to legislate morality actually, which is why it's a bigger deal when they have affairs. You get a dem with an open marriage... who cares who the guy bangs. When a repub sits on family values committees, etc, then dates secret married mistress on state dime, it's a big deal.
100%. This is why the GOP needs to move towards RP/Schiff/Goldwater style.
The govt needs to get out of the bedroom and wallet.
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100%. This is why the GOP needs to move towards RP/Schiff/Goldwater style.
The govt needs to get out of the bedroom and wallet.
They'd have my vote. Again.
mccain wouldn't say a bad word about Bush's spending, stem cell limitations, and pretty much doing everything the GOp old school told him to do.
I really really really really really really really really really hope the repubs run a strong, shrewd, sensible candidate in 2012. I hope he stays outta the bedroom (unlike repubs) and wallet (unlike dems).
He could win. If they run a far-right lecturer like Palin, people are gonna be turned off.
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POLITICO about to break something about who paid for this trip to see the mistress.
If he wrote his own check, credit card, which I'm sure he did, he'll be good.
If taxpayers funded this escape, yikes.
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If this is so significant, and if it counts against Republicans, then is it just as significant and does it count for Republicans that Bush1 never cheated on his wife, Bush2 never cheated on his wife, but Bill Clinton did cheat on Hillary?
How do we know they didn't cheat on their wives? Rumor was Bush and Rice were doing the dirty deeds.
BTW, i don't think this counts against the repubs. It's just funny considering many repubs tout family values. People are people.
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They'd have my vote. Again.
mccain wouldn't say a bad word about Bush's spending, stem cell limitations, and pretty much doing everything the GOp old school told him to do.
I really really really really really really really really really hope the repubs run a strong, shrewd, sensible candidate in 2012. I hope he stays outta the bedroom (unlike repubs) and wallet (unlike dems).
He could win. If they run a far-right lecturer like Palin, people are gonna be turned off.
Im not kidding, do you ever listen to any of Schiff's speech's off the cuff????
He does not need a teleprompter or notes, he has a machine gun style with facts, evidence etc. Same as Newt. Obama would be like that guy in 8 Mile after Rabbit got done, speechless.
Unless the GOP has someone with such a command like he does, they will not beat ZERO.
Of course Newt is not electable, but his style is what is needed.
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i was referring to 240 and his failed and see through attempt to get ppl so self own themselves by ragging on this guy for being a dem and cheating and then going haaaa he is a rep....oz i know you guys dont do much modding around here or not as much as the other boards anyway but the shit on this board has gotten extreme lately with the trolling and stupid ass comments, anyway you guys could do something about that?
The original idea of this board was not to over mod it. I kind of like that because people can just say what they want to say and we can choose to respond or not.
I'd be very surprised of 240 actually thought peeps on this board were stupid enough to fall for it.
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I hope the GOP crashes and burns, along with the dems. Both parties are destroying this country.
240 - Lets start a Schiff for Prez 2012
Tell me this guy, WITH NO TELEPROMPTER, would not embarass Obama in a debate.
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The original idea of this board was not to over mod it. I kind of like that because people can just say what they want to say and we can choose to respond or not.
I'd be very surprised of 240 actually thought peeps on this board were stupid enough to fall for it.
yeah, i understand when my posts get deleted if they break the rules. I'm fine with that. I go off-topic when people call me names of course.
Emails between the woman and Governor Sanford are breaking now.
State of South Carlolina has released them. He used his public system to email her.
Story is supposed to get MUCH WORSE for him once they're released.
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yeah, i understand when my posts get deleted if they break the rules. I'm fine with that. I go off-topic when people call me names of course.
Emails between the woman and Governor Sanford are breaking now.
State of South Carlolina has released them. He used his public system to email her.
Story is supposed to get MUCH WORSE for him once they're released.
Disgraceful. I feel horrible for his kids.
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It goes so far beyond that.How about letting ALL of us just live our lives.If a gay wants to marry ,who cares?If a man wants to use steroids,who cares?If a guy wants to cheat on his wife,who cares?It will never happen.Every one of these fools have an angle to control us.Its their lifes work and we keep voting them in.Dems like to control our money and our feelings about others republicans want to control our bedrooms and our souls and both parties think they can dictate our health choices.Its disgusting.
Yep
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It goes so far beyond that.How about letting ALL of us just live our lives.If a gay wants to marry ,who cares?If a man wants to use steroids,who cares?If a guy wants to cheat on his wife,who cares?It will never happen.Every one of these fools have an angle to control us.Its their lifes work and we keep voting them in.Dems like to control our money and our feelings about others republicans want to control our bedrooms and our souls and both parties think they can dictate our health choices.Its disgusting.
Damn right.
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He should step down....
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One point that should, and needs to be made is that christians aren't perfect. Yes sanford messed up, but its where he goes from here, and how he handles himself in regards to his family. People always condemn christians for making mistakes, but remember, they're just people too. With all that being said, I completely agree that legislators should stay out of the bedroom.
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One point that should, and needs to be made is that christians aren't perfect. Yes sanford messed up, but its where he goes from here, and how he handles himself in regards to his family. People always condemn christians for making mistakes, but remember, they're just people too. With all that being said, I completely agree that legislators should stay out of the bedroom.
People aren't perfect. So what? The issue here is that he's belongs to the republican party. the same party who seized the opportunity provided by Clinton that touted the "Family Values" as a pillar of their campaigning. Christians should be condemned for making mistakes like this no different that any other religion or walk of life. But in this case its EXTRA important that this man, who no doubt professed his integrity time and again, gets what is coming to him.
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Whats coming to him. What did Edwards get, or the current Gov of New York. More bullshit, but he gave a good apology.
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Whats coming to him. What did Edwards get, or the current Gov of New York. More bullshit, but he gave a good apology.
Edward's will never have a realistic shot at president. The NY gov is done too. This latest guy? He's through.
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You muthafuckas act like republican and democrat is like a different lifeform from each other...like seriously...they are all human with the same urges...when you boil it down they are all the same...This "my side rules" shit is retarded to me. No one is all one thing. Chris Rock said it best "there are some things im liberal about and there are some things im conservative about." dude if you became a republican because you like small government and then just go along with them on the abortion thing because your party said so, you are a slap idiot in my eyes.
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The original idea of this board was not to over mod it. I kind of like that because people can just say what they want to say and we can choose to respond or not.
I'd be very surprised of 240 actually thought peeps on this board were stupid enough to fall for it.
I wasnt referring to 240 actually more towards lurker and mons venus...i agree that it is nice to be able to say just about anything but as in all things in moderation
lol i think you give 240 to much credit
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You muthafucka act like republican and democrat is like a different lifeform from each other...like seriously...they are all human with the same urges...when you boil it down they are all the same...This "my side rules" shit is retarded to me. No one is all one thing. Chris Rock said it best "there are some things im liberal about and there are some things im conservative about." dude if you became a republican because you like small government and then just go along with them on the abortion thing because your party said so, you are a slap idiot in my eyes.
I agree, lets put it in other terms we are all getting fucked by the same government doesnt matter if your left or right.
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I agree, lets put it in other terms we are all getting fucked by the same government doesnt matter if your left or right.
BOHICA
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I wasnt referring to 240 actually more towards lurker and mons venus...i agree that it is nice to be able to say just about anything but as in all things in moderation
lol i think you give 240 to much credit
Yeah, mons venus seems to have a crush on HH6. I almost deleted some of his posts. but HH6 seems flattered by it. :D
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Yeah, mons venus seems to have a crush on HH6. I almost deleted some of his posts. but HH6 seems flattered by it. :D
hahaha
BOHICA
whats BOHICA?
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I agree, lets put it in other terms we are all getting fucked by the same government doesnt matter if your left or right.
right..all government...federal, state, local, school administrators,...shit can i go any lower...they all are fucked up
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Yeah, mons venus seems to have a crush on HH6. I almost deleted some of his posts. but HH6 seems flattered by it. :D
Evetually the morons burn themselves out, I'm doing my part for getbig
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One point that should, and needs to be made is that christians aren't perfect. Yes sanford messed up, but its where he goes from here, and how he handles himself in regards to his family. People always condemn christians for making mistakes, but remember, they're just people too. With all that being said, I completely agree that legislators should stay out of the bedroom.
we're well aware that christians aren't perfect.
If christians would stop telling other people how to live or condemning the personal choice of other people or telling us that we need religion (specifically the christian religion) as a moral compass we'd all be a lot better off.
btw - I starting to have some sympathy for Sanford and I can't wait until the pics start to come out.
I have also been temporarily hypnotized by a magnificent pair of funbags:
check out this email excerpt:
"Two, mutual feelings .... You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night's light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details ..."
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Well its better then "I want to foddle ur massive hairy balls".....
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Well its better then "I want to foddle ur massive hairy balls".....
uh yeah - I'm sure the Repubs are all relieved about that.
For now I'm going to imagine his mistress looks like this
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uh yeah - I'm sure the Repubs are all relieved about that.
For now I'm going to imagine his mistress looks like this
On a side note, at least Sanford is an articulate person.
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On a side note, at least Sanford is an articulate person.
ok, if you say so.
what's the relevance again?
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hahaha
whats BOHICA?
Bend
Over
Here
It
Comes
Again
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Bend
Over
Here
It
Comes
Again
hahahah i prefer BOHICA i feel like i still have a little sense of dignity after that...
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If this is so significant, and if it counts against Republicans, then is it just as significant and does it count for Republicans that Bush1 never cheated on his wife, Bush2 never cheated on his wife, but Bill Clinton did cheat on Hillary?
I don't think dems try and take the moral high ground with "Family Values" and shit. BTW Clinton shit on Bush I & II as a president.
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headline: "FOREIGN AFFAIRS".
I don't think he'll retire from being the governor. he's in his last term anyway. Retire and enjoy life.
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headline: "FOREIGN AFFAIRS".
I don't think he'll retire from being the governor. he's in his last term anyway. Retire and enjoy life.
we're beyond shame these days
politicians weigh out the pros/cons and decide if they have the stomach to hang around and ride it out
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Some Mark Sanford trips were taxpayer-paid
South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford has taken at least three taxpayer-paid trips to Argentina, however, it’s unclear whether he met his girlfriend during any of them.
At his news conference in Columbia Wednesday, Sanford said he paid for his most recent trip with is own money. “It was my own ticket,” he told reporters.
But sometime after his 2002 election as governor, Sanford traveled to Argentina on the dime of the South Carolina Department of Commerce.
Though it’s unclear precisely when the trip occurred, it likely would have taken place after he had met the woman. Sanford said Wednesday he met the woman eight years ago, though a romantic relationship did not develop until one year ago.
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I don't think dems try and take the moral high ground with "Family Values" and shit. BTW Clinton shit on Bush I & II as a president.
Why all the hate for Bush I? Is it because of the ignorant notion that he has "Bush" for a last name? He inherited a recession (i know i know)and large budget defects and actually got told by Greenspan of all people that he needed to close the budget gap before the Fed would lower rates.
If anything, Clinton got off easy by having the twin effects of no Cold War, decreased Defense spending, Bush I's tax increases and the entrepreneurial boom under Reagan. I'm not saying the man wasn't a above average president but he sure as hell stumbled up some a great situation. Oh, and he had to reckon with a somewhat true Conservative Congress that pushed back on fiscal matters. Clinton wanted to spend money, make no mistake about it, but the Congress pushed back.
Some of you on here need to know what is what.
On Bush II, well, he was pretty much a disaster. Some small good among the heap of shit, but not much more.
Some o
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Sanford in 2012! -- HE has international experience!!!!
He can see Argentina from his girlfriend's bedroom
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The hits just keep on comin'. ;D Gotta love this shit from the party of HYPOCRITES. :-*
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The hits just keep on comin'. ;D Gotta love this shit from the party of HYPOCRITES. :-*
Which one?
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The hits just keep on comin'. ;D Gotta love this shit from the party of HYPOCRITES. :-*
LOL you mean the dems who try to tell us what to do with our money and then dont pay taxes?
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LOL you mean the dems who try to tell us what to do with our money and then dont pay taxes?
The Dems that tell Americans that they should want to pay more taxes, yet those same Dems get caught not paying their taxes?
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LOL you mean the dems who try to tell us what to do with our money and then dont pay taxes?
Is that the attemped spin they're giving you on FIXED News? :P Feeble diversion tactic from the party of HYPOCRITES. :-*
When are Senators Ensign and Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, as well as Mark "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" Sanford going to resign, as they demanded of President Clinton? Why didn't Senator David "I Don't Love Dem Hoes" Vitter resign?
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How do we know they didn't cheat on their wives? Rumor was Bush and Rice were doing the dirty deeds.
BTW, i don't think this counts against the repubs. It's just funny considering many repubs tout family values. People are people.
Rumor...LOL :)
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Did anyone watch the press conference? I'd never heard of the guy before but he seemed like a mess. He came across imo as being in love w/his mistress... and what was the deal w/the young girls behind him smiling and smirking? Bizarre scene.
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Did anyone watch the press conference? I'd never heard of the guy before but he seemed like a mess. He came across imo as being in love w/his mistress... and what was the deal w/the young girls behind him smiling and smirking? Bizarre scene.
Good riddance. He is a creep.
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Leave the guy alone I say.
As long as he can handles his business ok his personal life should be off limits.
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Leave the guy alone I say.
As long as he can handles his business ok his personal life should be off limits.
The liberals who quickly forgot about Spitzer, Patterson, McGreevy, will not leave this guy alone.
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Leave the guy alone I say.
As long as he can handles his business ok his personal life should be off limits.
Shaddup. When he tells other people to quit their jobs because of moral failings, he should stand by his own words.
Time for the people of SC to tell the governor...buh-bye!
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"The Dems that tell Americans that they should want to pay more taxes, yet those same Dems get caught not paying their taxes?"
Money quote of the thread!
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Did anyone watch the press conference? I'd never heard of the guy before but he seemed like a mess. He came across imo as being in love w/his mistress... and what was the deal w/the young girls behind him smiling and smirking? Bizarre scene.
i saw that too, very weird to say the least...hes a bastard but at least he had the nads to stand up and come clean and lay it all out there which is more then can be said for alot of ppl and i dont just mean in the political world.
We all make mistakes lol iono about year long mistakes but the point is you have to recognize them in order to get past them.
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I'm in your head.... farting on your delusions. ;D
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Is that the attemped spin they're giving you on FIXED News? :P Feeble diversion tactic from the party of HYPOCRITES. :-*
When are Senators Ensign and Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, as well as Mark "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" Sanford going to resign, as they demanded of President Clinton? Why didn't Senator David "I Don't Love Dem Hoes" Vitter resign?
nope its common sense...dems try to tell us we need to give our money for this and give our money for that and then dont pay taxes...point is brain child ppl cheat libs and reps, ppl cheat on their taxes libs and reps...your idiotic idea that only reps do bad things is just idiotic.
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I'm in your head.... farting on your delusions. ;D
lol
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nope its common sense...dems try to tell us we need to give our money for this and give our money for that and then dont pay taxes...point is brain child ppl cheat libs and reps, ppl cheat on their taxes libs and reps...your idiotic idea that only reps do bad things is just idiotic.
"Tony McNuts" can try as he might, but this FIXED News-Rush Limbaugh talking point is just a hopeless diversion tactic from the party of FAMILY VALUES. :P
Paying taxes is a requirement for a functioning society. I don't see repubes advocating zero taxes. How many democrats demanded resignation of a GOP congressperson or president for failing to pay taxes, yet did not pay their own taxes and then refused to resign? ???
The point is that people are human and make mistakes. If they keep their personal life separate from the business of governing, then they should be left alone. However, when you demand perfection and castigate people for moral shortcomings, you deserve to choke on your own hypocrisy. These same clowns spent eight years trying to derail a presidency and disrupt the government for shit they do themselves. Phony HYPOCRITES.
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Maybe he hated his family.
Maybe he hated his marriage.
Maybe he hated his ugly ass kids that look nothing like him.
Or maybe he just wanted a hot piece of ass.
Hot ass = makes men do crazy shit. (Like hiking in the mountains for 5 days.)
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Maybe he hated his family.
Maybe he hated his marriage.
Maybe he hated his ugly ass kids that look nothing like him.
Or maybe he just wanted a hot piece of ass.
Hot ass = makes men do crazy shit. (Like hiking in the mountains for 5 days.)
Shit - it made Barney Frank deal with the fact his boyfriend ran a prostitution ring out of his own apartment.
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Shit - it made Barney Frank deal with the fact his boyfriend ran a prostitution ring out of his own apartment.
And makes some people cruise restrooms and wear diapers.
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"Tony McNuts" can try as he might, but this FIXED News-Rush Limbaugh talking point is just a hopeless diversion tactic from the party of FAMILY VALUES. :P
Paying taxes is a requirement for a functioning society. I don't see repubes advocating zero taxes. How many democrats demanded resignation of a GOP congressperson or president for failing to pay taxes, yet did not pay their own taxes and then refused to resign? ???
The point is that people are human and make mistakes. If they keep their personal life separate from the business of governing, then they should be left alone. However, when you demand perfection and castigate people for moral shortcomings, you deserve to choke on your own hypocrisy. These same clowns spent eight years trying to derail a presidency and disrupt the government for shit they do themselves. Phony HYPOCRITES.
When you're a public figure, there is VERY LITTLE separation between your governing and your personal life.
The implication is that, if this guy can't keep a vow he made before God to be faithful to his own wife, how can he keep a vow he made before God to be faithful to complete strangers, in his office of duty?
That goes for everyone: Clinton, McGreevey, Ensign, Sanford, Spitzer, and the like.
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When you're a public figure, there is VERY LITTLE separation between your governing and your personal life.
The implication is that, if this guy can't keep a vow he made before God to be faithful to his own wife, how can he keep a vow he made before God to be faithful to complete strangers, in his office of duty?
That goes for everyone: Clinton, McGreevey, Ensign, Sanford, Spitzer, and the like.
All true.
This terd needs to resign. He just committed political suicide.
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Shaddup. When he tells other people to quit their jobs because of moral failings, he should stand by his own words.
Time for the people of SC to tell the governor...buh-bye!
Maybe he should call it quits himself. Show that he walks the walks, not just talks the talk.
But myself, I'm not interested in his personal life.
I do care about hypocrisy though.
What I don't like is that the media gets all moral and shit. And becomes outraged, everyone gets outraged and offended.
God forbid if Obama ever was caught watching hardcore porn on his Blackberry. ::)
My point is, let those who are big on these issues go after Sanford.
Don't fall into the trap of trying to scold him just because you are a Democrat and he's a Rep.
That shouldn't really matter.
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he used state money.
to leave his position, placing his state at risk.
violated his oath.
Taxpayers from his state were without a paid governor while they paid for his trip to have sex in south america.
that's the prob. who cares who he bangs, who cares if he's a hypocrite for telling clinton to resign, then does the same thing.
The dude stole state funds and was derilict in his duties.
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he used state money.
to leave his position, placing his state at risk.
violated his oath.
Taxpayers from his state were without a paid governor while they paid for his trip to have sex in south america.
that's the prob. who cares who he bangs, who cares if he's a hypocrite for telling clinton to resign, then does the same thing.
The dude stole state funds and was derilict in his duties.
You miss the point. Again, if he violates his oath before God, regarding his wife, what makes you think he can keep his oath before God to the people he governs?
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You miss the point. Again, if he violates his oath before God, regarding his wife, what makes you think he can keep his oath before God to the people he governs?
His oath to god regarding his wife? god told him to only insert his penis in his wife's vagina? or how does that work?
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His oath to god regarding his wife? god told him to only insert his penis in his wife's vagina? or how does that work?
GIVE ME A BREAK!!! You cannot be this daft!!!
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You miss the point. Again, if he violates his oath before God, regarding his wife, what makes you think he can keep his oath before God to the people he governs?
Exactly.
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I think we are all in agreement that he should resign. It looks like he is too "crazy" in love to work anyway.
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I think we are all in agreement that he should resign. It looks like he is too "crazy" in love to work anyway.
Nice one!
What a mess he made. Why didnt he just fly the chick up to SC????
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Gov. Sanford's Wife Breaks Tradition, Not Standing By Her Man
To those accustomed to watching betrayed first ladies smile stiffly through their husbands' public confessions, the absence of Gov. Mark Sanford's wife at the soul-baring news conference where he admitted to an affair with a woman in Argentina was striking.
AP
Friday, June 26, 2009
Jenny Sanford did not stand by her man.
To those accustomed to watching betrayed first ladies smile stiffly through their husbands' public confessions, the absence of Gov. Mark Sanford's wife at the soul-baring news conference where he admitted to an affair with a woman in Argentina was striking.
Instead, she issued a tough-minded statement saying she had thrown her cheating husband out and told him to stop speaking to her while she tries to deal with his infidelity.
That came as no surprise to those who know this independently wealthy, Georgetown-educated, former Wall Street executive. Around South Carolina, Jenny Sanford is regarded as a strong-minded figure, accomplished and politically astute.
Jenny Sanford doesn't have it in her to play the "namby-pamby Tammy Wynette," said Donald Aiesi, a political scientist at Furman University in Greenville, the governor's alma mater.
"She has very strong faith, very strong family values," said Marjory Wentworth, a family friend who was appointed South Carolina's poet laureate by the governor in 2003. "There's no gray area about the things that matter to her."
Many of Jenny Sanford's counterparts have stood beside or behind their spouses for similar moments of scandal: When New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey outed himself as gay. When former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer acknowledged he was the client of a call-girl ring. When Idaho Sen. Larry Craig denied trying to elicit sex in an airport men's room.
Some of these political wives were bitterly criticized for subjecting themselves to such humiliation, as was Hillary Clinton, who stood by her husband -- figuratively, if not literally -- during some of the most fraught moments of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Kendra Stewart, a political science professor at the College of Charleston, said Jenny Sanford was wise not to appear at her husband's side.
"The women receive a lot of criticism and even mocking on `Saturday Night Live' skits, criticism from woman's groups and other folks," she said. "People doing a lot of speculation about their expressions, what they were thinking. And by not being present, she removes all of that speculation."
As for whether Jenny Sanford's absence hurt her husband, Stewart said: "I'm not really sure any more damage could be done." In fact, the political scientist suggested that the 49-year-old governor might have helped himself somewhat by taking his lumps by himself, and not making his wife stand there the way other politicians in peril have done.
"In a way, I think the husbands took even more flak for their actions," Stewart said, "because everyone had to watch their wives humiliated while they apologized."
The governor's spokesman, Joel Sawyer, said he did not know if Sanford asked his wife to be at his side.
During the painfully frank news conference, the governor said the first lady had known about the affair for five months. In her own statement, Jenny Sanford said: "We reached a point where I felt it was important to look my sons in the eyes and maintain my dignity, self-respect, and my basic sense of right and wrong. This trial separation was agreed to with the goal of ultimately strengthening our marriage."
Unlike other political wives, "she is laying down conditions at the outset and being very specific and emphatic that he's got to toe the line," Aiesi said. "The other wives sort of stood there like submissive somehow. She didn't take that approach. She said, `I love him. I want him back. But it depends on him.' She's holding the cards."
On Thursday, Jenny Sanford spent part of the day with her husband at their coastal home. Later, she left with some children in her car for what she said was dinner and a boat ride. Asked if she would be staying with her husband, she said: "It's a goal."
"I'm going to do my best to work on my marriage," she said. As for her husband's political future: "His career is not a concern of mine. He'll have to worry about that. I'm going to worry about my family and the character of my children."
Born Jennifer Sullivan, the first lady grew up near Chicago. Her grandfather founded the Skil Corp., a power tool manufacturer. She graduated from Georgetown University in 1984 with a degree in finance, then worked for the Wall Street investment banking firm Lazard Freres & Co., where she was a vice president in mergers and acquisitions. Mark Sanford was also working on Wall Street.
The couple have four school-age sons.
Jenny Sanford, a millionaire, helped launch her husband's political career nearly 15 years ago, running his campaigns for Congress and governor and putting up with campaign workers living in the basement of their Sullivans Island home.
Though she has stayed largely in the background, it is common knowledge that she was her husband's chief adviser. She has been a regular at his morning meetings with his top aides.
Close friends know her as a warm, bubbly person with an infectious smile. But in political circles, she is seen as a formidable figure, not to be crossed.
"She's a highly organized, corporate-type person," said former state Rep. John Graham Altman, a Republican. "I think Jenny's very calm, very controlled. She's extremely gifted and talented. ... It's clear she was the governor of the governor."
Her more public efforts included overseeing the restoration of a home on the mansion's grounds and promoting healthier living for South Carolinians.
"She has a very good strong political mind and has always been the mastermind behind Mark's campaign, but at the same time she does have a very tender side to her, particularly as it relates to her children," said Mike Campbell, an unsuccessful candidate for lieutenant governor in 2006.
"Some people are not quite sure how to take her, that she's really tough, sometimes even cold. But I've always found her to be very personable and gotten along well with her."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/26/gov-sanfords-wife-breaks-tradition-standing-man/?test=latestnews
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Good for her!
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Good for her!
You need to become a Christian and submit yourself to Jesus.
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This is unbelievable. Sounds like this man suffers from mental illness. :-\
Jenny Sanford: How I Found Out About The Affair
BRUCE SMITH | June 26, 2009 09:00 PM EST | AP
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SULLIVANS ISLAND, S.C. — South Carolina first lady Jenny Sanford sat in her oceanfront living room Friday, recalling how her husband repeatedly asked permission to visit his lover in the months after she discovered his affair.
"I said absolutely not. It's one thing to forgive adultery; it's another thing to condone it," Jenny Sanford told The Associated Press during a 20-minute interview at the coastal home where she sought refuge with their four sons. They were her first extended comments on the affair.
She said that when her husband, Gov. Mark Sanford, inexplicably disappeared last week, she hoped he was hiking on the Appalachian Trail, as his staff told those who inquired about his absence. That he had dared to go to Argentina to see the other woman left her stunned.
"He was told in no uncertain terms not to see her," she said in a strong, steady voice. "I was hoping he was on the Appalachian Trail. But I was not worried about his safety. I was hoping he was doing some real soul searching somewhere and devastated to find out it was Argentina. It's tragic."
The Sanfords had separated about two weeks ago. She said her husband told the family that he wanted some time away to work on writing a book and clear his head. The first lady said, "I had every hope he was not going to see her."
"You would think that a father who didn't have contact with his children, if he wanted those children, he would toe the line a little bit," she said.
Sanford, who is staying at the official residence in Columbia, returned Wednesday to end days of speculation on his whereabouts, publicly confess his cheating and emotionally apologize.
Jenny Sanford, a Georgetown-educated, former Wall Street vice president, did not stand next to her husband Wednesday during his pained public confession.
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Sanford said she discovered her husband's affair early this year after coming across a copy of a letter to the mistress in one of his files in the official governor's mansion. He had asked her to find some financial information, she said, not an unusual request considering her heavy involvement in his career.
She would not comment on what was in the letter except to say "enough to figure out an affair was going on."
She felt "shocked and obviously deeply hurt. I didn't think he had it in him," she said. "It's hard to find out your husband is not who you thought he was."
The first lady said she confronted her husband immediately, and he agreed to end the affair. She said she wasn't sure Friday whether he had done so.
"I guess that's what we will have to see. I believe he has," she said. "But he was down there for five days. I saw him yesterday and he is not staying here. We'll just see what kind of spirit of reconciliation he has himself."
The governor declined to discuss details of the letter and how he handled it with his wife.
"This goes into the personal zone," Sanford said Friday. "I'd simply say that Jenny has been absolutely magnanimous and gracious as a wonderful Christian woman in this process."
Jenny Sanford cried at the end of the interview, and said the couple have been to counseling.
"When I found out in January, we both indicated a willingness to continue working on the marriage, but there's not room for three people in a marriage," she said. "I've done everything in my power possibly to keep him from going to see her and to really make sure she was off the table, including asking him to leave."
About an hour after Jenny Sanford talked of her pain and feelings of betrayal, her husband brushed aside any suggestion he might immediately resign, citing the Bible and the story of King David _ who continued to lead after sleeping with another man's wife, Bathsheba, having the husband slain, then marrying the widow.
"What I find interesting is the story of David, and the way in which he fell mightily _ fell in very, very significant ways, but then picked up the pieces and built from there," Sanford told members of his cabinet in a session called so he could apologize to them in person and tell them the business of government must continue.
Meanwhile, questions grew about a trip to Argentina he took last summer. While Sanford has agreed to reimburse the state for part of a more-than $8,000 tab that enabled him to see the mistress, state officials indicated they never intended a South American economic development trip to hold meetings in Argentina. That was only done at the governor's behest, said Kara Borie, a spokeswoman for the state Commerce Department.
Sanford spokesman Joel Sawyer said he did not immediately know whether Sanford's request for business meetings would have allowed him to have taxpayers cover the entire Argentina visit.
Some Republican leaders have called for Sanford to resign and some lawmakers and watchdog groups are pressing for investigations into whether he improperly used state money.
For Jenny Sanford, the focus is the couple's four sons. During her interview, she wept as she displayed the stellar report cards earned by her eldest two sons at their exclusive private school in Columbia.
On the coffee table was a collection of devotional books, including a book of commentary on the Bible's Book of Job, the story of a man whose faith God tests to the extreme.
"Parenting is the most important job there is and what Mark has done has added a serious weight to that job," she said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/jenny-sanford-how-i-found_n_221785.html
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Unreal.
Maybe politicians should be made to have quarterly polygraph and psych evaluations.
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Bennett: Sanford needs to stop 'embarrassing himself'
Posted: 01:37 PM ET
(CNN) – Mark Sanford is "embarrassing himself" and needs to resign as governor of South Carolina, conservative talk radio host and CNN contributor Bill Bennett said Thursday on CNN's American Morning.
Bennett, the latest high profile conservative to call for Sanford's ouster, said it's time for the onetime Republican rising star to ditch politics and focus solely on getting his life back in order.
"I know Mark Sanford. I know him quite well," Bennett said. "He needs to get his life back in order, his marriage back in order. He is embarrassing himself."
"There is the old notion of indecent exposure, usually that refers to somebody showing some skin, and there's another form of indecent exposure. He is telling us way too much," Bennett continued. "We're not interested. He needs to stop and take care of his life."
Bennett also suggested the GOP can easily fill the gap Sanford would leave.
"We have other people," he said. "We have other people who are not only fiscally interesting and sound but also can keep their lives together. "
Bennett's comments come as more than half of the Republicans in the state senate have now called for Sanford to step down, as well as a host of other GOP leaders in the state. Sanford has indicated he does not intend to resign.
"The whole thing is pretty ugly. It needs to stop," Bennett also said.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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[Thank God we found out what a fool this guy is now before he decided to run for prez. What a flake.
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and of course there's got the be touting his christian values:
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2009/06/video-mark-sanford-family-values.html
hasn't he now admitted to being involved with mulitiple women over the years?
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[Thank God we found out what a fool this guy is now before he decided to run for prez. What a flake.
Tell me about it. He's just as bad as John Edwards.
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Bleech.
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I like this woman. Excellent statement.
Jenny Sanford speaks out
Posted: 06:30 PM ET
(CNN) — Jenny Sanford, wife of South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, is speaking out in a new statement about her husband's affair.
"Mark showed a lack of judgment in his recent actions as governor. However, his far more egregious offenses were committed against God, the institutions of marriage and family, our boys and me," Mrs. Sanford said in a statement. "Mark has stated that his intent and determination is to save our marriage, and to make amends to the people of South Carolina. I hope he can make good on those intentions, and for the sake of our boys I leave the door open to it."
Full statement after the jump
Statement from First Lady Jenny Sanford
Columbia, S.C. – July 2, 2009- The last week has been very painful for me, my family and for the people of South Carolina. However, throughout this terrible ordeal, the incredible outpouring of kindness, support, and prayer I've received from countless friends and folks I have never even met has been truly uplifting. I appreciate that more than I can say. Please know that my sons and I are doing fine, given the circumstances. We are surrounded by friends and family, and we will make it through this. I believe it is how we respond to the challenges we face in life, and what we learn from them, that is most telling about who we truly are.
There is no question that Mark's behavior is inexcusable. Actions have consequences and he will be dealing with those consequences for a long while. Trust has been broken and will need to be rebuilt. Mark will need to earn back that trust, first and foremost with his family, and also with the people of South Carolina.
The real issue now is one of forgiveness. I am willing to forgive Mark for his actions. We have been deeply disappointed in and even angry at Mark. The Bible says, "In your anger do not sin." (Psalm 4:4) In this situation, this speaks to the essence of forgiveness and the critical need to channel one's energy into positive steps that uphold the dignity of marriage and the family, and lead to reconciliation over time. My forgiveness is essential for us both to move on with our lives, with peace, in whatever direction that may take us.
Desmond Tutu said "forgiveness is the grace by which you enable the other person to get up, and get up with dignity, to begin anew." Forgiveness opens the door for Mark to begin to work privately, humbly and respectfully toward reconciliation with me. However, to achieve true reconciliation will take time, involve repentance, and will not be easy.
Mark showed a lack of judgment in his recent actions as governor. However, his far more egregious offenses were committed against God, the institutions of marriage and family, our boys and me. Mark has stated that his intent and determination is to save our marriage, and to make amends to the people of South Carolina. I hope he can make good on those intentions, and for the sake of our boys I leave the door open to it. In that spirit of forgiveness, it is up to the people and elected officials of South Carolina to decide whether they will give Mark another chance as well.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/02/jenny-sanford-speaks-out/#more-58829
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i'd like to see a politician say "i could care less who bangs who, just fix the economy".
I thin kmost people would agree with him on it.
I think the closest we might have seen was Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau, when he said:
"The government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" -- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
...but then again, ...what would one expect from a Prime Minister who was also single and a swinger?
...and then elopes, while in office, getting married to a woman 30 years younger than him? :D
I have a soft spot in my heart for Trudeau, ...he's the only politician I know of that had the balls to give newspapers & cameramen the finger when they were stalking him, ...knowing full well his middle finger would be splashed across the front pages of newspapers all over the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau)
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I think the closest we might have seen was Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau, when he said:
"The government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" -- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
...but then again, ...what would one expect from a Prime Minister who was also single and a swinger?
...and then elopes, while in office, getting married to a woman 30 years younger than him? :D
I have a soft spot in my heart for Trudeau, ...he's the only politician I know of that had the balls to give newspapers & cameramen the finger when they were stalking him, ...knowing full well his middle finger would be splashed across the front pages of newspapers all over the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau)
JAGALICIOUS where have you been my love? I have missed you immensely :-[ :-*
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I think the closest we might have seen was Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau, when he said:
"The government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation" -- Pierre Elliot Trudeau
...but then again, ...what would one expect from a Prime Minister who was also single and a swinger?
...and then elopes, while in office, getting married to a woman 30 years younger than him? :D
I have a soft spot in my heart for Trudeau, ...he's the only politician I know of that had the balls to give newspapers & cameramen the finger when they were stalking him, ...knowing full well his middle finger would be splashed across the front pages of newspapers all over the country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau)
I completely agree but then I'm guessing that Trudeau didn't make his religion and moral authority part of his campaign. I'm also guessing he didn't muse on camera about "christian values, character and honesty"
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2009/06/video-mark-sanford-family-values.html
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People cheat on their spouses. Its a fact. Its irrelevant what party they are from.
One thing that Liberals have never been able to wrap their minds around is the fact that when bad behavior ( by bad I mean actions that most people would at the very least find objectionable) is committed by a large group of people, the act itself doesnt become good or acceptable by proxy. For example- Most people regularly watch, or have watched porn. Myself included-- I have a dvd collection that would make Larry Flynt blush. However, do I think that watching porn should be actively encouraged and that children should be able to watch it at their leisure? No- Absolutely not.
The same goes for drug use, drinking, cheating on taxes etc.-- Liberals call conservatives hypocrits because they condemn such actions while many actively engage in such actions themselves. I do not see it that way at all. Human beings have certain appitites and make errors in judgment- from who they fuck, to what they put in their bodies, to what risks they take. Liberals like to champion the fringe limits of personal autonomy- while conservatives like to preach for discretion.
While I certainly do not believe that cheating on someones spouse makes them unfit to govern (Bill Clinton didn't do a bad job, neither did JFK and on and on) I can understand why the public may not support a politician who freequents whore houses or cheats on their wife and the mother of their children of 20+ years in office.
Like it or not, public officials are supposed to be role models to a large degree. They govern us- they make the rules, they set the precedents and they are in unique positions of power. With that, comes extra scrutiny, slimeball media coverage and the rest. With the perks, come the burdens.
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I completely agree but then I'm guessing that Trudeau didn't make his religion and moral authority part of his campaign. I'm also guessing he didn't muse on camera about "christian values, character and honesty"
http://minor-ripper.blogspot.com/2009/06/video-mark-sanford-family-values.html
You'd be correct too. I don't ever recall him wearing his religion on his sleeve at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau#Spirituality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Elliot_Trudeau#Spirituality)
I was very surprised to discover he was fiercely Catholic. Although not surprising given his background, ...only in that his spirituality was something he kept to himself, ...as it should be in my opinion. Nothing worse than some asshole who insists upon letting you know his or her religion completely out of the blue, without any valid reason, within 5 minutes of meeting you. Throughout my life, ...I've had nothing but trouble from those types. Major red flag in my opinion. Although the plus side of that is, ...you get to recognize the psychos real quick. ie: "I'm a (insert religion here), ...and we believe in being loving & generous and helping to all mankind", ...but that same self-glorifying person can easily sit by and let someone starve or die of thirst in the streets when it's within their power to save a life. Quite the psychotic disconnect in my opinion. Oh well, ....maybe they think they're like the pharoahs, ...and have the ability to take it with them.
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If politicians want their personal life to be off limits then they should lead by example and stop using their family/religion as political props. Unless a politician is breaking the law I don't want to hear about it. Stick to the issue
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Like it or not, public officials are supposed to be role models to a large degree. They govern us- they make the rules, they set the precedents and they are in unique positions of power. With that, comes extra scrutiny, slimeball media coverage and the rest. With the perks, come the burdens.
This is where you and I disagree. I don't believe public officials are supposed to be role models. I don't vote people into office to be role models. I vote them into office to take care of state business, run the economy, and to administrate policy. I think parents should be role models. Any parent who elects a public official to be a role model is a lazy fool. Build and maintain the roads, keep the water safe, administer the needs of the state, keep the economy strong, provide for collective defence and justice, ...but don't set yourself up to be a role model.
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If politicians want their personal life to be off limits then they should lead by example and stop using their family/religion as political props. Unless a politician is breaking the law I don't want to hear about it. Stick to the issue
EXACTLY!!!
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If politicians want their personal life to be off limits then they should lead by example and stop using their family/religion as political props. Unless a politician is breaking the law I don't want to hear about it. Stick to the issue
great call
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People cheat on their spouses. Its a fact. Its irrelevant what party they are from.
One thing that Liberals have never been able to wrap their minds around is the fact that when bad behavior ( by bad I mean actions that most people would at the very least find objectionable) is committed by a large group of people, the act itself doesnt become good or acceptable by proxy. For example- Most people regularly watch, or have watched porn. Myself included-- I have a dvd collection that would make Larry Flynt blush. However, do I think that watching porn should be actively encouraged and that children should be able to watch it at their leisure? No- Absolutely not.
The same goes for drug use, drinking, cheating on taxes etc.-- Liberals call conservatives hypocrits because they condemn such actions while many actively engage in such actions themselves. I do not see it that way at all. Human beings have certain appitites and make errors in judgment- from who they fuck, to what they put in their bodies, to what risks they take. Liberals like to champion the fringe limits of personal autonomy- while conservatives like to preach for discretion.
While I certainly do not believe that cheating on someones spouse makes them unfit to govern (Bill Clinton didn't do a bad job, neither did JFK and on and on) I can understand why the public may not support a politician who freequents whore houses or cheats on their wife and the mother of their children of 20+ years in office.
Like it or not, public officials are supposed to be role models to a large degree. They govern us- they make the rules, they set the precedents and they are in unique positions of power. With that, comes extra scrutiny, slimeball media coverage and the rest. With the perks, come the burdens.
Well said George. I agree with most of this.
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This is where you and I disagree. I don't believe public officials are supposed to be role models. I don't vote people into office to be role models. I vote them into office to take care of state business, run the economy, and to administrate policy. I think parents should be role models. Any parent who elects a public official to be a role model is a lazy fool. Build and maintain the roads, keep the water safe, administer the needs of the state, keep the economy strong, provide for collective defence and justice, ...but don't set yourself up to be a role model.
Jag we disagree about everything and this is no different. What you need to understand is that even if repubs didn't make this an issue, dems would still be looking to crucify repubs who cheated on their spouses. Its not a question of politics, its human nature. Why should the public trust a man or woman that couldnt even remain faithful to their husband or wife? Its a legitimate question regardless of what political party asks the question. It calls the opposing politicians character into question. Even if by and large people dont make a big deal out of cheating, its still a character issue + the public + the media + all opponents will eat it up. As I've said, I dont think cheating affects ones ability to govern. But unless like minded people like you and I somehow terminate human nature, partisan political character assasination and the bi partisan moral majorities morbid interest in the private affairs of public officials- this kind of scrutiny will never end+ inevitably these kinds of screw ups will destroy many careers. Whether a politician runs on family values or not, the effect of being unfaithful to ones spouse will not be minimized or maximized as a result. All is fair in love and war ( and politics).
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Jag we disagree about everything and this is no different. What you need to understand is that even if repubs didn't make this an issue, dems would still be looking to crucify repubs who cheated on their spouses. Its not a question of politics, its human nature. Why should the public trust a man or woman that couldnt even remain faithful to their husband or wife? Its a legitimate question regardless of what political party asks the question. It calls the opposing politicians character into question. Even if by and large people dont make a big deal out of cheating, its still a character issue + the public + the media + all opponents will eat it up. As I've said, I dont think cheating affects ones ability to govern. But unless like minded people like you and I somehow terminate human nature, partisan political character assasination and the bi partisan moral majorities morbid interest in the private affairs of public officials- this kind of scrutiny will never end+ inevitably these kinds of screw ups will destroy many careers. Whether a politician runs on family values or not, the effect of being unfaithful to ones spouse will not be minimized or maximized as a result. All is fair in love and war ( and politics).
I agree with you somewhat, ...in that a politician's (any politician's) weakness, can and often will be held against him or her, however, when one runs on a hypocritical platform of family values, ...it simply magnifies his or her fall from grace that much more. Politicians need to stop running on phony platforms setting themselves up as the bastions for morality, fidelity, and family values, and get about the business of the people. The sooner they do that, ...the sooner they will stop going down for reasons unrelated to their job performance, ...and the sooner people will stop keeping incompetent fools in office simply because they attend church and are still married to their spouses.
Trudeau is a good example. He was the original political rock star. The media and the public were fascinated with this guy, following him everywhere and reporting on his personal life. I don't think I can recall a politician whose social life was under such a microscope. Here was a head of state who was single, Canada's most eligible bachelor at the time, who really savoured "the good life". He often travelled with an entourage of adoring young female fans, and when on state functions abroad, could often be seen in the company of beautiful women. The man frequently dated celebrities and was a reputed swinger. He had no problem telling reporters or opposition members to F-off, either in public, ...or on the floor of parliament. When he got married, he did so in secret, eloping with a 22 year old girl who was 30 years younger than himself, that no one had any clue he was even dating. Did the public hold it against him, ...hell no. When his young bride got caught by the papparrazzi partying it up with the Rolling Stones, did the public hold it against him? Fifteen years later when he eventually divorced as many couples do (while still in office) ...the public also did not hold it against him. When you consider how conservative a lot we Canadians are... or rather were ...especially 40 years ago, you get an idea how much of a maverick he was. The thing is... he never ran on a platform of family values. He ran with the specific purpose of maintaining confederacy, squashing the Quebec separist movement, and repatriating the Canadian constitution. That was what he ran on, ...and that was why he was elected, ...and you know what... that's what he did. That's what the public cared about, and when he "stumbled" or was shown to be "human"... it wasn't held against him. The things that were held against him, were state matters he failed to accomplish, or policies his detractors disagreed with, ...and that's the way it should be in my opinion. Role models should be role models for the good that they do, ...not the offices they hold.
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As I said earlier- Ones sexual appetite's shouldn't necessarily exclude their right to govern. IMO politics is a calling; talent and ability + hardwork shouldn't be negated based on an individuals sexual proclivities outside of marriage. But Jag- As I eluded to in my prior postings; the hypocrisy you contend is a major element of the right is NOT something that is the exclusive license of the right (to be used and hidden at will). Rather, as you concede to a large degree, it is a character flaw readily used as ammunition by whomever stands opposite to the target of such attacks. As a result, such character assassinations will stand tall, even in the absence of such buttresses as TRUTH/ CONSEQUENCE+ dare I say REASON that would make such allegations STRONGER, more RELEVANT and even DECISIVE when the average citizen makes his way to the polls.---?
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As I said earlier- Ones sexual appetite's shouldn't necessarily exclude their right to govern. IMO politics is a calling; talent and ability + hardwork shouldn't be negated based on an individuals sexual proclivities outside of marriage. But Jag- As I eluded to in my prior postings; the hypocrisy you contend is a major element of the right is NOT something that is the exclusive license of the right (to be used and hidden at will). Rather, as you concede to a large degree, it is a character flaw readily used as ammunition by whomever stands opposite to the target of such attacks. As a result, such character assassinations will stand tall, even in the absence of such buttresses as TRUTH/ CONSEQUENCE+ dare I say REASON that would make such allegations STRONGER, more RELEVANT and even DECISIVE when the average citizen makes his way to the polls.---?
I agree with this.
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As I said earlier- Ones sexual appetite's shouldn't necessarily exclude their right to govern. IMO politics is a calling; talent and ability + hardwork shouldn't be negated based on an individuals sexual proclivities outside of marriage. But Jag- As I eluded to in my prior postings; the hypocrisy you contend is a major element of the right is NOT something that is the exclusive license of the right (to be used and hidden at will). Rather, as you concede to a large degree, it is a character flaw readily used as ammunition by whomever stands opposite to the target of such attacks. As a result, such character assassinations will stand tall, even in the absence of such buttresses as TRUTH/ CONSEQUENCE+ dare I say REASON that would make such allegations STRONGER, more RELEVANT and even DECISIVE when the average citizen makes his way to the polls.---?
Only in a population of judgemental holier-than-thou prudes. :D
I do think alot of the allegations of "cheating" aren't really cheating though. It's sad that it is often labelled so.
Call me cynical if you will, ...but I've come to a point in my life where I understand that many relationships that take place outside of marriage, often do so with the explicit consent of the so-called "aggrieved spouse", ...especially when it comes to high profile politicians. That's the part that I find so tragic. For many of these guys, their only "sin" was their lack of discretion. One of these days I'd love to see "an aggrieved spouse" come out and say "What my husband/wife did is none of your damned business". Just as I believe the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation, ...I also believe the nation has no business in the bedrooms of their elected officials. Hypocrisy is a whole other story though, ...especially when it comes to those politicians who choose to dictate to the public how they should behave, and who conduct their romantic trysts on the tax payers dime.
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Ok- Agreed Jag; So then do you not agree with my assertion that hypocrisy which acompanies unfaithfulness to ones spouse is a party neutral weapon and would, could, and should be implemented by Right, Left or Neutral Media Hound searching for the nearest 10 cent headline?
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Ok- Agreed Jag; So then do you not agree with my assertion that hypocrisy which acompanies unfaithfulness to ones spouse is a party neutral weapon and would, could, and should be implemented by Right, Left or Neutral Media Hound searching for the nearest 10 cent headline?
If I'm following what you're saying, ...then I think we finally agree on something. :)
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Let freedom RING!!! lol ;D