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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive: All they want to hear is that you have no intention of suing them.
I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
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telling em is likely gonna do you more bad than good.
as far as promotion, can be a number of reasons you didnt get one, not enough reason to leave IMO
unless it happens over and over and over
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"I have been offered a position elsewhere. I thank you for the opportunity and I wish you and the company continued success"
Don't go into specifics, you don't want to burn bridges. They probably know already why you left--or they'll figure it out in short order, once you update your linkedin
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[...]as far as promotion, can be a number of reasons you didnt get one, not enough reason to leave IMO
unless it happens over and over and over
If you want to be top dog, which is what I advise all the interns I train, you must waste no time. Missing out on a promotion basically forces you to throw away an entire year of your life (same when missing out on the bonus, you will never get that money back, meaning all the effort and time put into that year is completely and forever lost).
I say move on. It sends a stronger signal to those in positions of power. There is nothing worse than a team of careless managers who make decisions without first evaluating the repercussions of those decisions.
You have no idea how many managers I have to talk to about this very fact... Sometimes I have to contain myself, bite my lip and not call them out on mind-numbingly stupid decision-making that has a long term negative effect on the future of the firm.
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my nephew told his employer that he was leaving to go and live in another country.
They offered him a large pay rise and a higher spec company car.
Isnt it fucking annoying they only want to pay you what you are worth when they are afraid they are going to lose you.
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my nephew told his employer that he was leaving to go and live in another country.
They offered him a large pay rise and a higher spec company car.
Isnt it fucking annoying they only want to pay you what you are worth when they are afraid they are going to lose you.
That's the kiss of death.
A counteroffer is nothing but a company's way of buying more time until they find a replacement.
You should NEVER accept a counteroffer unless they promise, in writing, that you will not be laid off.
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That's the kiss of death.
A counteroffer is nothing but a company's way of buying more time until they find a replacement.
You should NEVER accept a counteroffer unless they promise, in writing, that you will not be laid off.
No it isnt, he has a good rapport and business relationship with a large majority of their clients, he has built up trust and they know he is reliable.
If he left he would take that with him...
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That's the kiss of death.
A counteroffer is nothing but a company's way of buying more time until they find a replacement.
You should NEVER accept a counteroffer unless they promise, in writing, that you will not be laid off.
Sounds like good advice coming from a dolt like you ::)
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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive: All they want to hear is that you have no intention of suing them.
I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
hr=litigation resources
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Tell them to get fucked.i don’t believe in holding back no matter the consequences.speak your mind and move on.
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Take the high road and be professional when you quit. You never know if you'll need a reference or worst case your old job back. Ask for an exit interview if you really want to leave feedback. If they ask for an exit interview keep your responses generic, don't get personal or angry. Changes are your feedback won't matter a bit if it's a big company. A smaller company might appreciate feedback like, "increase your employee review cycles...or this might be a better way to incentives your sales staff...or this software system might fix some gaps or inefficiencies".
Never accept a counter offer. It only makes the employer suspicious that you'll leave at the next chance or use the "im quitting" card again. It creates a lot of latent hostilities that make your daily life harder.
Be polite and aloof during your notice period. Thank them for the opportunity. You made money, contacts and gained experience on their dime. You've already won and in today's social media saturation a bad break up could hurt your career down the road.
Leave early on your last day. Shake hands and wish everyone well. Head to a local pub, have a stiff drink and celebrate the weekend before the new job starts.
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I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
How will that cause them to "reassess their promotion protocol"? They are already thinking they picked the right guy for the job. Basically, if you got picked then the other guy should assume the same thing and they should still "reassess their promotion protocol"?
I could see a reason for leaving if it happens more then once, but they are interviews after all and supposedly competitive. Not denying there is bias in a lot of companies as well but after one try seems to be jumping the gun a bit, unless the job you are going to is better.
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Getbiggers need to get jobs before they try to quit jobs.
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U should leave the fryers on at the end of your shift when u close up on your last day to spite them 😜
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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive: All they want to hear is that you have no intention of suing them.
I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
Assessing our own abilities compared to our peers is tricky. Often times we are not honest with ourselves and think we are more qualified or competent than we are compared to some of our peers. To leave a company when passed over the first time to me makes no sense. You may have not had the seniority the other person had or you may not be as qualified depending on who it was that was promoted. If you keep getting passed over.. perhaps
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That's the kiss of death.
A counteroffer is nothing but a company's way of buying more time until they find a replacement.
You should NEVER accept a counteroffer unless they promise, in writing, that you will not be laid off.
you have an odd perspective.. how successful have you been so far with this philosophy?
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Take the high road and be professional when you quit. You never know if you'll need a reference or worst case your old job back. Ask for an exit interview if you really want to leave feedback. If they ask for an exit interview keep your responses generic, don't get personal or angry. Changes are your feedback won't matter a bit if it's a big company. A smaller company might appreciate feedback like, "increase your employee review cycles...or this might be a better way to incentives your sales staff...or this software system might fix some gaps or inefficiencies".
Never accept a counter offer. It only makes the employer suspicious that you'll leave at the next chance or use the "im quitting" card again. It creates a lot of latent hostilities that make your daily life harder.
Be polite and aloof during your notice period. Thank them for the opportunity. You made money, contacts and gained experience on their dime. You've already won and in today's social media saturation a bad break up could hurt your career down the road.
Leave early on your last day. Shake hands and wish everyone well. Head to a local pub, have a stiff drink and celebrate the weekend before the new job starts.
Absolutely THIS!
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Overly simplistic discussion here for the most part. Many top execs, military officers, politicians, et al., have been "passed over" yet come back and run the company or got elected to the office they originally sought. Organizations change, people come and go, policies are revised, etc. Oftentimes the worst thing people do is feel slighted because they missed out on a promotion so they leave for another company where they find out the grass isn't always greener. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. Of course there are some situations that will never work out but there are no blanket rules when it comes to this sort of thing.
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Assessing our own abilities compared to our peers is tricky. Often times we are not honest with ourselves and think we are more qualified or competent than we are compared to some of our peers. To leave a company when passed over the first time to me makes no sense. You may have not had the seniority the other person had or you may not be as qualified depending on who it was that was promoted. If you keep getting passed over.. perhaps
This also.
OP how old are you?
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Overly simplistic discussion here for the most part. Many top execs, military officers, politicians, et al., have been "passed over" yet come back and run the company or got elected to the office they originally sought. Organizations change, people come and go, policies are revised, etc. Oftentimes the worst thing people do is feel slighted because they missed out on a promotion so they leave for another company where they find out the grass isn't always greener. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. Of course there are some situations that will never work out but there are no blanket rules when it comes to this sort of thing.
what like hillary and mitt zombie?
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what like hillary and mitt zombie?
How about Nixon and Reagan? Both passed over for the GOP presidential nomination at one point despite being very serious contenders. And the book isn't closed on Romney yet who is a shoe-in for the US Senate.
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Haha that episode probably the best example of how not to leave a job
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I prefer to burn bridges. Tell them like it is. You left for a reason.
I like this quote,,, "My resume is a list of places I never want to go to again" something like that
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Tell them to get fucked.i don’t believe in holding back no matter the consequences.speak your mind and move on.
I’d be the same or else I’d regret not saying anything for ages, still regret to this day not giving the plant manager a good hiding when my last job ended
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doesnt matter how a job ends.
you should be forever grateful you got it in the first place.
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I’d be the same or else I’d regret not saying anything for ages, still regret to this day not giving the plant manager a good hiding when my last job ended
Spoken like a good worker drone.
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Spoken like a good worker drone.
What the fuck is a worker drone?
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If you're resigning from a job and manage to get an exit interview, realize that the interview is just a simple ploy to gather information (ie gossip) about what might be going on in your particular department (good or bad). That information isn't used to harm you towards any future work potential via bad references, nor is it used to discipline present employees of that company, it's simply used to cover their assess from litigation as some have already mentioned. The information you share is also shared with your department head.
By the way, Human Resources isn't there for the employees. They're a fucking front for whatever company you work for to stop you from seeking litigation against them or exposure via media outlets. They work for the company and lack integrity in every single way. The only time they truly get involved and insist on matters is when something terrible occurs (Think workplace sexual assault).
My simple advice, use companies as much as they use you. Be a good employee and do great work for whomever you work for, BUT when the moment arises that you find a better opportunity to benefit you and your family, simply leave (if possible with decent notice, but if that's not possible, it's really no big deal).
Good luck,
"1"
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Grab your boss in a headlock and slap all the women on the ass.
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Ryan Bingham: [after being informed by Ryan that his been let go] Your resume says you minored in French Culinary Arts. Most students work the frier at KFC. You bussed tables at Il Picatorre to support yourself. Then you got out of college and started working here. How much did they pay you to give up on your dreams?
Bob: Twenty seven thousand a year.
Ryan Bingham: [sitting next to Natalie] At what point were you going to stop and go back to what made you happy?
Bob: that's a good question.
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If you haven't direct asked why you haven't been promoted you would be foolish to leave without a new company waiting.
Did you even interview for a higher level position?
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What the fuck is a worker drone?
Spoken again like a good worker drone.
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Spoken again like a good worker drone.
Your a fucking idiot
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what job ?
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Your a fucking idiot
"You're" the kind of peasant who blames the boss for his own failures.
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"You're" the kind of peasant who blames the boss for his own failures.
Happy with what I’ve got so have no failures to blame anyone for, I’ve only had a boss for about 3 years of my working life you useless cu nt
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Happy with what I’ve got so have no failures to blame anyone for, I’ve only had a boss for about 3 years of my working life you useless cu nt
You're a plumber / spark / chippie who thinks he's his own boss and "regrets not knocking out his manager". Winner.
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you have an odd perspective.. how successful have you been so far with this philosophy?
Not odd at all.
Time is of the essence and waiting around until someone sees value in you can either make or break your spirit.
If you're passed on for a promotion, then get yourself another job and let them sort their shit out.
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You're a plumber / spark / chippie who thinks he's his own boss and "regrets not knocking out his manager". Winner.
How does someone think he’s his own boss? They either work for themselves or they don’t there’s no in between
If you think your job makes you better than someone else there’s something sadly wrong with you and are an insecure bitch seeking false validation, I couldn’t give a fuck if someone is a business man on a massive salary or works in McDonald’s, I don’t look at them any different they are both working for a living and respect them equally and couldn’t care less if someone earns more or less than me it makes absolutely zero difference to my life
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No it isnt, he has a good rapport and business relationship with a large majority of their clients, he has built up trust and they know he is reliable.
If he left he would take that with him...
If you happen to have a client base then you have leverage, totally different thing.
When someone works for a cost center (not a profit center,) the value is in the promotion. No promotion, value eventually goes down.
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By the way, unbeknownst to me until 10 minutes ago (one of my kids was watching a documentary on the savanna,) my philosophy is very similar to how adult male lions behave in their habitats: seek a group of female lions, find the dominant male and fight him. Rinse and repeat until success is achieved.
Life is tough, but only you can control (fight) your future by way of finding people who see the value in you (female lions).
Do not waste a second of your career on bullshit teams/companies.
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I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol.
Why would you leaving force them to reassess their promotion protocol if they don't view you as worthy of a promotion? Do you really think they're going to be like " Damn! We made a mistake. This other guy sucks. You were actually better."
You're going to do what you feel is best, but you sound like an emotional wreck. Surely you've been in an office where someone has dramatically quit - showing everybody what's what on their way out. At best, people forget about them after 45 minutes, at worst people remember them as that psychopath they are thankful hasn't comeback to shoot up the place. I don't know what the extent of your "truth" is, but people come and go at organizations. It sounds like your quitting has less to do with career progression and more to do with making a statement. And ,possibly, personally offending someone in a position of authority. It's a childish mindset. An explosive exit is not going to have the impact you are hoping for and trying to convince yourself that you have more reasonable motives isn't going to change that. From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your value to the company extends past a quick linkedin search and an afternoon of interviews.
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If you happen to have a client base then you have leverage, totally different thing.
When someone works for a cost center (not a profit center,) the value is in the promotion. No promotion, value eventually goes down.
This is true. Is this your situation?
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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive: All they want to hear is that you have no intention of suing them.
I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
Employees do not always see themselves the way leadership sees them. I have passed over two people for promotion. Both are capable but also quite clueless. If you are a remarkably talented person who is getting outside offers that pay more, by all means take the offer and go. If you are being passed over for a promotion there is a reason. You need to find out what it is and address it. Maybe you need more expertise? Perhaps another degree? Maybe you need to hone your political skills? Maybe you need to explore how others see you. For example:
Step 1: Make a list of five people who work with you enough to comment on your personal style. Choose at least two whom you especially admire for their success in navigating their own careers.
Step 2: Tell each person that you are seeking honest feedback, and offer to take them to lunch, coffee, or happy hour if they will agree to provide honest answers to five questions that you will send in advance. Here are the questions:
• Which of my personal strengths differentiate me most?
• When people compliment me out of earshot, what themes emerge?
• When people criticize me behind my back, what do they say?
• What are two or three things I could start, stop, or change to be more effective?
• If you had to choose one thing that might be holding me back professionally, what would it be?
Step No. 3: During the feedback meeting, listen, take notes, and resist the urge to argue or interrupt. Above all, do not punish your conversation partners for speaking the truth as they see it.
Step No. 4: Decide how you plan to proceed. Will you reject anything you hear that contradicts the way you see yourself? Or will you try to deal with any issues that your conversation partners were kind and courageous enough to share with you?
Self improvement isn’t limited to the gym. Most people have too much ego to undertake these steps.
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Employees do not always see themselves the way leadership sees them. I have passed over two people for promotion. Both are capable but also quite clueless. If you are a remarkably talented person who is getting outside offers that pay more, by all means take the offer and go. If you are being passed over for a promotion there is a reason. You need to find out what it is and address it. Maybe you need more expertise? Perhaps another degree? Maybe you need to hone your political skills? Maybe you need to explore how others see you. For example:
Step 1: Make a list of five people who work with you enough to comment on your personal style. Choose at least two whom you especially admire for their success in navigating their own careers.
Step 2: Tell each person that you are seeking honest feedback, and offer to take them to lunch, coffee, or happy hour if they will agree to provide honest answers to five questions that you will send in advance. Here are the questions:
• Which of my personal strengths differentiate me most?
• When people compliment me out of earshot, what themes emerge?
• When people criticize me behind my back, what do they say?
• What are two or three things I could start, stop, or change to be more effective?
• If you had to choose one thing that might be holding me back professionally, what would it be?
Step No. 3: During the feedback meeting, listen, take notes, and resist the urge to argue or interrupt. Above all, do not punish your conversation partners for speaking the truth as they see it.
Step No. 4: Decide how you plan to proceed. Will you reject anything you hear that contradicts the way you see yourself? Or will you try to deal with any issues that your conversation partners were kind and courageous enough to share with you?
Self improvement isn’t limited to the gym. Most people have too much ego to undertake these steps.
I just don't see that happening with Slapper
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Why would you leaving force them to reassess their promotion protocol if they don't view you as worthy of a promotion? Do you really think they're going to be like " Damn! We made a mistake. This other guy sucks. You were actually better."
You're going to do what you feel is best, but you sound like an emotional wreck. Surely you've been in an office where someone has dramatically quit - showing everybody what's what on their way out. At best, people forget about them after 45 minutes, at worst people remember them as that psychopath they are thankful hasn't comeback to shoot up the place. I don't know what the extent of your "truth" is, but people come and go at organizations. It sounds like your quitting has less to do with career progression and more to do with making a statement. And ,possibly, personally offending someone in a position of authority. It's a childish mindset. An explosive exit is not going to have the impact you are hoping for and trying to convince yourself that you have more reasonable motives isn't going to change that. From what you've said, it doesn't sound like your value to the company extends past a quick linkedin search and an afternoon of interviews.
Damn dude, you really read all that in my commentary? Really?
Anyhow, I'm not talking about me, I'm talking hypothetically, or what is the best way out of a shitty work situation. I'm not talking about adding emotion, drama or any of that Days of Our Lives stuff you watch. I'm talking about, the very same day you find out John Doe is getting the promotion and not you, my advice is that you dust your résumé and put it out there.
Nothing personal. Amicable split, you go your way, I go mine, wish you best of luck, yadda yadda yadda.
And yes, management has to reassess their promotion procedures when potential candidates leave. Part of my work revolves around helping some of these fucking idiots retain their talent and... let me tell you, sometimes I want to choke them. They are like children who, in my opinion, they should not, under any circumstances, be in positions with hiring capacity. Yet, for whatever reason, they were promoted and are now making shitty decisions which I have to clean up sometimes.
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This is true. Is this your situation?
No, I wear many hats, but they're all cost center-related.
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Employees do not always see themselves the way leadership sees them. I have passed over two people for promotion. Both are capable but also quite clueless. If you are a remarkably talented person who is getting outside offers that pay more, by all means take the offer and go. If you are being passed over for a promotion there is a reason. You need to find out what it is and address it. Maybe you need more expertise? Perhaps another degree? Maybe you need to hone your political skills? Maybe you need to explore how others see you. For example:
Step 1: Make a list of five people who work with you enough to comment on your personal style. Choose at least two whom you especially admire for their success in navigating their own careers.
Step 2: Tell each person that you are seeking honest feedback, and offer to take them to lunch, coffee, or happy hour if they will agree to provide honest answers to five questions that you will send in advance. Here are the questions:
• Which of my personal strengths differentiate me most?
• When people compliment me out of earshot, what themes emerge?
• When people criticize me behind my back, what do they say?
• What are two or three things I could start, stop, or change to be more effective?
• If you had to choose one thing that might be holding me back professionally, what would it be?
Step No. 3: During the feedback meeting, listen, take notes, and resist the urge to argue or interrupt. Above all, do not punish your conversation partners for speaking the truth as they see it.
Step No. 4: Decide how you plan to proceed. Will you reject anything you hear that contradicts the way you see yourself? Or will you try to deal with any issues that your conversation partners were kind and courageous enough to share with you?
Self improvement isn’t limited to the gym. Most people have too much ego to undertake these steps.
I think you're looking at things from a very basic point of view. I work in the financial services industry and the majority of these kids come prepared and ready to hit the ground running. The majority of them are quick learners, are engaged, try their best and work weekends if necessary.
Look, the reason I brought it up is because I had a very freaking unpleasant meeting with a manager who lost his most valuable employee and wanted ME to contact him, even though he wasn't an employee anymore, to see if he could consult with us for a premium. Turns out the guy was his star employee, his work horse, the guy that was churning out the most accurate analysis of the bunch and this dumb ass idiot decides to promote someone else. I go through the paperwork with him, look at his evaluations, look at his peer reviews and the guy literally stood out. Yet, for what ever reason, or for reasons to this day I still ignore, he promoted another person.
To make a long story short, I had gone through too many of these stories, the power went out at my house (I was in the office though) and I was cranky as fucking hell and... I literally lost it with one of the managers and got written up.
I basically listened to another lame ass story about how they never expected the person to leave and how they want him back and how they made a mistake... I swear to God, every time I hear these people talk I can sense my 401(k) shrinking by the syllable. I basically told him "Are you an idiot??? Are you stupid???".
There, I said it.
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Employees do not always see themselves the way leadership sees them. I have passed over two people for promotion. Both are capable but also quite clueless. If you are a remarkably talented person who is getting outside offers that pay more, by all means take the offer and go. If you are being passed over for a promotion there is a reason. You need to find out what it is and address it. Maybe you need more expertise? Perhaps another degree? Maybe you need to hone your political skills? Maybe you need to explore how others see you. For example:
Step 1: Make a list of five people who work with you enough to comment on your personal style. Choose at least two whom you especially admire for their success in navigating their own careers.
Step 2: Tell each person that you are seeking honest feedback, and offer to take them to lunch, coffee, or happy hour if they will agree to provide honest answers to five questions that you will send in advance. Here are the questions:
• Which of my personal strengths differentiate me most?
• When people compliment me out of earshot, what themes emerge?
• When people criticize me behind my back, what do they say?
• What are two or three things I could start, stop, or change to be more effective?
• If you had to choose one thing that might be holding me back professionally, what would it be?
Step No. 3: During the feedback meeting, listen, take notes, and resist the urge to argue or interrupt. Above all, do not punish your conversation partners for speaking the truth as they see it.
Step No. 4: Decide how you plan to proceed. Will you reject anything you hear that contradicts the way you see yourself? Or will you try to deal with any issues that your conversation partners were kind and courageous enough to share with you?
Self improvement isn’t limited to the gym. Most people have too much ego to undertake these steps.
you would know, you deleted my posts on special ed's site when i called out your bullshit ;)
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I think you're looking at things from a very basic point of view. I work in the financial services industry and the majority of these kids come prepared and ready to hit the ground running. The majority of them are quick learners, are engaged, try their best and work weekends if necessary.
Look, the reason I brought it up is because I had a very freaking unpleasant meeting with a manager who lost his most valuable employee and wanted ME to contact him, even though he wasn't an employee anymore, to see if he could consult with us for a premium. Turns out the guy was his star employee, his work horse, the guy that was churning out the most accurate analysis of the bunch and this dumb ass idiot decides to promote someone else. I go through the paperwork with him, look at his evaluations, look at his peer reviews and the guy literally stood out. Yet, for what ever reason, or for reasons to this day I still ignore, he promoted another person.
To make a long story short, I had gone through too many of these stories, the power went out at my house (I was in the office though) and I was cranky as fucking hell and... I literally lost it with one of the managers and got written up.
I basically listened to another lame ass story about how they never expected the person to leave and how they want him back and how they made a mistake... I swear to God, every time I hear these people talk I can sense my 401(k) shrinking by the syllable. I basically told him "Are you an idiot??? Are you stupid???".
There, I said it.
Probably should have started with this post if this is truly what it was about....
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That's the kiss of death.
A counteroffer is nothing but a company's way of buying more time until they find a replacement.
You should NEVER accept a counteroffer unless they promise, in writing, that you will not be laid off.
As an employer, this is how I see it. You need to patch holes so you keep them, but you know where their loyalty lies. Best to move on and if they give an exit interview then you can air some of the dirty laundry, just don't sound butt hurt about it.
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As an employer, this is how I see it. You need to patch holes so you keep them, but you know where their loyalty lies. Best to move on and if they give an exit interview then you can air some of the dirty laundry, just don't sound butt hurt about it.
That may be true, but I've known more than a couple people over the years that were headhunted for another company, told their boss and were offered raises to stay, they stayed and remained for years. I would think for every "patched hole" there has to be a company that realized value is what someone is willing to pay for you and figured it was cheaper to give you a raise than to recruit and train a replacement. Some just won't give raises until pushed.
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I'm in senior management. i am an outlier performance wise and have a strong political game.
Dont leave because your fragile ego cant handle losing. Either strengthen your skills and relationships or maybe accept you are not smart enough to move up.
The demand for intelligence (particularly on the spot) increases the higher you go. You want to remain smart among peers, you dont want to be the dumb guy in the room. intelligence gives political standing and people are less inclined to fuck with you at that level. Everybody seems.to think they can get a top job but the truth is most cant handle the pace and expectation. when its discovered by peers that you are the weak one, guess who gets blamed when things go wrong.....
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Employees do not always see themselves the way leadership sees them. I have passed over two people for promotion. Both are capable but also quite clueless. If you are a remarkably talented person who is getting outside offers that pay more, by all means take the offer and go. If you are being passed over for a promotion there is a reason. You need to find out what it is and address it. Maybe you need more expertise? Perhaps another degree? Maybe you need to hone your political skills? Maybe you need to explore how others see you. For example:
Step 1: Make a list of five people who work with you enough to comment on your personal style. Choose at least two whom you especially admire for their success in navigating their own careers.
Step 2: Tell each person that you are seeking honest feedback, and offer to take them to lunch, coffee, or happy hour if they will agree to provide honest answers to five questions that you will send in advance. Here are the questions:
• Which of my personal strengths differentiate me most?
• When people compliment me out of earshot, what themes emerge?
• When people criticize me behind my back, what do they say?
• What are two or three things I could start, stop, or change to be more effective?
• If you had to choose one thing that might be holding me back professionally, what would it be?
Step No. 3: During the feedback meeting, listen, take notes, and resist the urge to argue or interrupt. Above all, do not punish your conversation partners for speaking the truth as they see it.
Step No. 4: Decide how you plan to proceed. Will you reject anything you hear that contradicts the way you see yourself? Or will you try to deal with any issues that your conversation partners were kind and courageous enough to share with you?
Self improvement isn’t limited to the gym. Most people have too much ego to undertake these steps.
Good stuff, Bay. I just copied your post and emailed it to myself for later use. Thanks man!
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If you want to be top dog, which is what I advise all the interns I train, you must waste no time. Missing out on a promotion basically forces you to throw away an entire year of your life (same when missing out on the bonus, you will never get that money back, meaning all the effort and time put into that year is completely and forever lost).
I say move on. It sends a stronger signal to those in positions of power. There is nothing worse than a team of careless managers who make decisions without first evaluating the repercussions of those decisions.
You have no idea how many managers I have to talk to about this very fact... Sometimes I have to contain myself, bite my lip and not call them out on mind-numbingly stupid decision-making that has a long term negative effect on the future of the firm.
What kind of work do you do ???
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I'm in senior management. i am an outlier performance wise and have a strong political game.
Dont leave because your fragile ego cant handle losing. Either strengthen your skills and relationships or maybe accept you are not smart enough to move up.
The demand for intelligence (particularly on the spot) increases the higher you go. You want to remain smart among peers, you dont want to be the dumb guy in the room. intelligence gives political standing and people are less inclined to fuck with you at that level. Everybody seems.to think they can get a top job but the truth is most cant handle the pace and expectation. when its discovered by peers that you are the weak one, guess who gets blamed when things go wrong.....
exactly. I've only experienced two different work environments, one military, one civilian Police organization. Both were different animals with similar markings. A lot goes into operating in upper management. it is very political, there are strategic and tactical decisions being made, people are building empires, or team playing. Competence and intelligence become a very necessary quality to effectively deal with complex deals. That doesn't mean the best qualified always get the position. In fact in that organization, race, gender etc played a large role in getting the top positions or the best assignments. But when you are working with highly competent people, the ones who shouldn't belong stand out like a sore thumb.
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I'm in senior management. i am an outlier performance wise and have a strong political game.
Dont leave because your fragile ego cant handle losing. Either strengthen your skills and relationships or maybe accept you are not smart enough to move up.
The demand for intelligence (particularly on the spot) increases the higher you go. You want to remain smart among peers, you dont want to be the dumb guy in the room. intelligence gives political standing and people are less inclined to fuck with you at that level. Everybody seems.to think they can get a top job but the truth is most cant handle the pace and expectation. when its discovered by peers that you are the weak one, guess who gets blamed when things go wrong.....
He says that this isn't his situation and this line of reasoning doesn't apply to him. In a subsequent post he said he's in an hr position and was irritated by seeing stories of overqualified employees being passed over for promotions. Based on the responses in this thread, it seems like most people didn't quite get where he was going. Honestly, the explanation post only made the opening post more convoluted to me. I'm not sure what he's asking. You can resign from a job for other reasons besides being passed over for promotion. I've posted on here about how I systematically change jobs at least every 18 months, and once I'm out the door I really don't give a shit about whether or not they're forced to change their promotion protocol.
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I'm in senior management. i am an outlier performance wise and have a strong political game.
Dont leave because your fragile ego cant handle losing. Either strengthen your skills and relationships or maybe accept you are not smart enough to move up.
The demand for intelligence (particularly on the spot) increases the higher you go. You want to remain smart among peers, you don't want to be the dumb guy in the room. intelligence gives political standing and people are less inclined to fuck with you at that level. Everybody seems.to think they can get a top job but the truth is most cant handle the pace and expectation. when its discovered by peers that you are the weak one, guess who gets blamed when things go wrong.....
You fellas are missing the point... it's not about ego or emotion or any of that, it's about exposing your career to the manager that genuinely sees the value you bring to the table and awards your for it. If someone else gets promoted that means that that person will always be one up on you in the corporate ladder.
What I'd like to see if kids that are hard working, sociable, hungry and accepting of more responsibility. I want these kids to have an attitude of exclusivity that sets them apart from the pack. Kinda like saying "you only get one look at me. You don't promote me, that's it, I'm gone" rather than the usual kiss ass who just happens to have more in common with the lard ass manager than chops to bring value into the firm.
It's these kids that eventually make the Amazons, the Googles and all the successful firms out there. The idiotic managers who only promote people they feel comfortable with and around are a cancer. They put their "gumbah circle of trust" first and firm second. Put enough of these groups of morons together and watch the company take in water faster than the Titanic.
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You fellas are missing the point... it's not about ego or emotion or any of that, it's about exposing your career to the manager that genuinely sees the value you bring to the table and awards your for it. If someone else gets promoted that means that that person will always be one up on you in the corporate ladder.
What I'd like to see if kids that are hard working, sociable, hungry and accepting of more responsibility. I want these kids to have an attitude of exclusivity that sets them apart from the pack. Kinda like saying "you only get one look at me. You don't promote me, that's it, I'm gone" rather than the usual kiss ass who just happens to have more in common with the lard ass manager than chops to bring value into the firm.
It's these kids that eventually make the Amazons, the Googles and all the successful firms out there. The idiotic managers who only promote people they feel comfortable with and around are a cancer. They put their "gumbah circle of trust" first and firm second. Put enough of these groups of morons together and watch the company take in water faster than the Titanic.
You sound like the type of guy who would employ dj181
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I prefer to burn bridges. Tell them like it is. You left for a reason.
I like this quote,,, "My resume is a list of places I never want to go to again" something like that
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u eat too much meat because u want to fit in , cookie cutter
dont drink enough for people to like u at work, ur a low energy slow talking bore to be around have a beer fagget
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Sounds like good advice coming from a dolt like you ::)
Oh look who got his 15 min break from the fryer to post an opinion 8)
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You fellas are missing the point... it's not about ego or emotion or any of that, it's about exposing your career to the manager that genuinely sees the value you bring to the table and awards your for it. If someone else gets promoted that means that that person will always be one up on you in the corporate ladder.
Nah we get it as its about not missing out on progression and wasting time in a job that doesnt progress. I agree to change jobs and progress, i had no option but to do this myself. However it only works at a low level and then the game is different as politics are more in play.
Consider the size of the workforce and then consider how many are handed things or given what they deserve. it's fucking rare and is a unicorn pipedream. The whole game is figuring out how to get ahead and beat everybody else to the finish line.
Work hard but build relationships and political standing otherwise, get to the back of the line and be quiet. Are you really going to leave a job every 12 months for your 50yr working life?
Make yourself a Matyr every year LOL? There you will be having to start a new job, learn things again, build relationships again, build credibility amongst peers and political favour.... from scratch..... its a great way to fuck yourself over........
I am moving industries next year and have already bult social relationships with the top dogs that matter. They like me a lot. Inside 12 months ill be a senior player with political weight because my intelligence will level the playing field with peers but ill have direct personal relationships with the 2 owners which others won't have.
It can sometimes take YEARS to build credibility and political favour. A fucking intern at 22yrs old upset they arent promoted every year LMAO.
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To add to this dont forget if someone else is promoted you need to consider your position with and underneath them.
If they were seen as the 'leader' and thrn promoted, the position for 'leader' needs to be fought out. You can fight for that position and establish yourself as next in line. You can go from a nobody to a 2IC under that person. You build your skills and knowledge then perhaps leave sometime later for a better job using those new skills as leverage.
Someone else being promoted can open opportunities.
A loss can become a win if you want it to be.
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there is only one true getbig way to deal with a place you leave on bad terms
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To add to this dont forget if someone else is promoted you need to consider your position with and underneath them.
If they were seen as the 'leader' and thrn promoted, the position for 'leader' needs to be fought out. You can fight for that position and establish yourself as next in line. You can go from a nobody to a 2IC under that person. You build your skills and knowledge then perhaps leave sometime later for a better job using those new skills as leverage.
Someone else being promoted can open opportunities.
A loss can become a win if you want it to be.
You reminded me of another tactic.. I've seen junior people identify a mentor, who is on the fast track. They work with that mentor, build the mentor up and when that mentor gets promoted up the chain, they take them along for the ride. Eventually the boss retires, or seeks other opportunities and tags the junior person to replace them.
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To add to this dont forget if someone else is promoted you need to consider your position with and underneath them.
If they were seen as the 'leader' and thrn promoted, the position for 'leader' needs to be fought out. You can fight for that position and establish yourself as next in line. You can go from a nobody to a 2IC under that person. You build your skills and knowledge then perhaps leave sometime later for a better job using those new skills as leverage.
Someone else being promoted can open opportunities.
A loss can become a win if you want it to be.
Wall Street of peace....
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Wall Street of peace....
It can be.
It's a different question on if that's all you care about in life because that might be all you have.
Most can't even wash their car or keep the inside of it clean...... maybe start with that first, then conquer the world.
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It can be.
It's a different question on if that's all you care about in life because that might be all you have.
Most can't even wash their car or keep the inside of it clean...... maybe start with that first, then conquer the world.
when I had an old car I used to wash it maybe once a year, guy next door to me used to spend 3 hours every Sunday washing his, sad reality is his car was only one wash cleaner than mine regardless of all the hours he wasted.
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The job I left in 2016 on the last day I told the boss who had also been a friend he s a girl and if he wants it ill bite his nose off and spit it in his wifes face. He backed down and still paid me what I was due. Ive told him if I see him again I will attack him.
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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive: All they want to hear is that you have no intention of suing them.
I am also of the belief that if you are passed over for a promotion once, you must leave. Being passed over means you are not looked at as promotional material and you leaving will force them to reassess their promotion protocol. It's time to expose your career to someone who may see the value you bring to the table.
What do you think?
Stop being a pussy
Bench
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The job I left in 2016 on the last day I told the boss who had also been a friend he s a girl and if he wants it ill bite his nose off and spit it in his wifes face. He backed down and still paid me what I was due. Ive told him if I see him again I will attack him.
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What would you do?
I am of the belief that telling an employer or a human resources employee what is really going through your head is counterproductive.
You may want to rethink this attitude as sounds like at least part of the problem you're having is some type of communication problem...there should not be a problem communicating your "real thoughts" to an employer,as long as its done in a productive, respectful way..good employers want respectful feedback.
I've had the problem in the past of staying quiet about minor work problems for too long until I can't stand ot and then exploding on some manager...quitting and storming out...As I've gotten older I've tried to just express myself openly but respectfully and calmly..works much better in the workplace.
I'd work on having an open, honest but calm dialogue with your employers...Hear them and let them hear you...sometimes with just improved communication the job can even be saved
But regardless..you develop conflict/resolution skills that will stay with you at the next job
But, I totally understand the release if the good ol "Take this job and shove it" storm out quitting rant
I think you could do better than that though.
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The job I left in 2016 on the last day I told the boss who had also been a friend he s a girl and if he wants it ill bite his nose off and spit it in his wifes face. He backed down and still paid me what I was due. Ive told him if I see him again I will attack him.
Is he still your friend ? ;D
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Is he still your imaginary friend ? ;D
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Corps don’t care about you. Give them 0 courtesy.
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when I had an old car I used to wash it maybe once a year, guy next door to me used to spend 3 hours every Sunday washing his, sad reality is his car was only one wash cleaner than mine regardless of all the hours he wasted.
Well 3hrs is a tad overkill lol. It takes maybe 10mins for each car and they are clean.
Its a positive way to start the day walking to a clean car. its positive to sit inside a car that is clean. Others notice your clean car and it positively influences their opinion of you.
Of course weather determines a lot and then maybe you simply dont care as a car is akin to a metal box that gets you from A to B.
I dont drive a mundane car so it's more than a metal box to me. It draws a lot of attention so i need it to be clean to have a good positive impact.
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Well 3hrs is a tad overkill lol. It takes maybe 10mins for each car and they are clean.
Its a positive way to start the day walking to a clean car. its positive to sit inside a car that is clean. Others notice your clean car and it positively influences their opinion of you.
Of course weather determines a lot and then maybe you simply dont care as a car is akin to a metal box that gets you from A to B.
I dont drive a mundane car so it's more than a metal box to me. It draws a lot of attention so i need it to be clean to have a good positive impact.
nubbin cock of peace... ;D
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Grab your boss in a headlock and slap all the women on the ass.
Yeah, good suggestion :D
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nubbin cock of peace... ;D
LOL yeah cars are dick magnets.
In the business park the women have a good stare. Generally see me then want to know which car is mine. They have NFI what the car is but shiny, looks special equals megabucks lol.