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Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« on: September 02, 2008, 08:34:54 AM »
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 08:37:29 AM »
no cuz its cheating.....duhhhh

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 08:49:14 AM »
no cuz its cheating.....duhhhh

Is it cheating if everyone's doing it?  A level playing field, so to speak?
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 08:50:47 AM »
Obviosly,but when you have idiots like those in the media feeding utter lies about steroids to the lemming in the public and idiots like Joe"the dumbest man in the senate" Biden passing laws against their use,they will always be banned.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 09:12:08 AM »
There was a guy playing Rugby League about 6 years ago and he underwent a full knee reconstruction.The Doctor told him it was probally career ending injury.
6 months later his leg with the reconstruction was half the size of his other leg and rehabillitation was going very slowly and saw his career crumble.This is when he decided to turn to steroids in months of using anabolics he was training at a reduced capacity but they played a vital role in his increase in strength and rehabilitation to the point of full recovery.
He then went on to play rugby league the next season 100%.
But instead of giving up the steroids he continued using them, out of no where he was one of the most intmidating forwards in rugby leauge.
He then went on to represent his State in league, a huge honour then to represent his country after 18 months he was finally random drug tested and was caught.
Players who played against said it was like hitting a brick out house in tackling him,
He was suspended for one year and made a comeback clean but he was only half the player when he was on roids and later retired.
But he said he was not sorry because they helped him resume his career.
Food for thought.
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 09:17:39 AM »
Of course
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 02:01:10 PM »
I say yes, let them all do steroids. 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 02:12:00 PM »
no cuz its cheating.....duhhhh

No,humans all have different hormone levels. This can be equalized with the use of steroids.

It makes the game more fair and interesting.

I don't see the problem.

But right now athletes still use them, even though they don't have "the right" So it doesn't really matter.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 02:50:42 PM »
Stop Capitalizing The First letter Of Each Of Your Words, It's Annoying And Unnecessary

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 03:18:58 PM »
First, I want to make a distinction between a rights a person has as a private citizen and the rights they have when they voluntarily join an organization. In the case of a sporting organization such as say the NBA, IFBB, Football Boxing, MLB they can, for the most part, make any rules they want and the rules they make are purely arbitrary. They could easily declare 4 strikes or 2 strikes for baseball, 75 yards or 125 yards for a football field, 10 rounds or 25 rounds for boxing, etc. They can arbitrarily ban anything they want be it Coca Cola, caffeine, sweet potatoes or anabolic steroids. They can also require anything they want such as you have to wear a helmet, or shorts, or yellow shoes, not swear or make obscene gestures, etc. In that sense, an athlete has no rights other than the right to agree or disagree with the terms and rules and whether or not they choose to participate.

As a private citizen things are much different. We have a Constitution that is very specific as to the role of government. One of them is to protect people from each other not to protect you from yourself, i.e., the right to personal freedom. In such case, the question is not necessarily whether something is good or bad for you but rather who should decide. If someone wants to eat oat meal and whey protein for breakfast or ice cream and butter sticks it is clear what is better for you but who should decide, you or the government? Health care cost with go down tremendously if we required everyone to exercise and eat healthy. But are you willing to give up your personal freedom and have others tell and require you to do what is good for you? If someone wants to mutilate their bodies with body piercing and splitting their tongue to look like a lizard I think they're nuts but it shouldn't be my or anyone's else business as long as they aren't hurting or bothering anyone. If someone wants to drink beer and get plastered just to get away from it all for a while or smoke a fatty it's none of my business. I don't want LE busting into people'ss home and putting them in jail. If someone wants to use steroids to help with athletic performance or just look better it's their decision as long as they don't hurt or bother anyone.

To summarize, athletes have no "right" to use steroids or anything else if their organization prohibits it. A private citizen, if you believe in personal freedom, indeed has the right to use steroids or anything they want as long as it doesn't impede on the freedom of others.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 03:27:55 PM »
Doesn't matter whether they have a right or not. Top class athletes will do anything to win - even at the cost of risking their health / rep if caught.

That attitude is not unique to the athletic world - in business/politics, etc people will look for anything that can be used for leverage/advantage if the reward is worthwhile.

 Its only cheating if you get caught.


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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 03:32:18 PM »
just  because everyone's doing it doesn't make it right however! sounds like a peer pressure issue more than just using them to get an "edge" on your opponent.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 03:34:22 PM »
First, I want to make a distinction between a rights a person has as a private citizen and the rights they have when they voluntarily join an organization. In the case of a sporting organization such as say the NBA, IFBB, Football Boxing, MLB they can, for the most part, make any rules they want and the rules they make are purely arbitrary. They could easily declare 4 strikes or 2 strikes for baseball, 75 yards or 125 yards for a football field, 10 rounds or 25 rounds for boxing, etc. They can arbitrarily ban anything they want be it Coca Cola, caffeine, sweet potatoes or anabolic steroids. They can also require anything they want such as you have to wear a helmet, or shorts, or yellow shoes, not swear or make obscene gestures, etc. In that sense, an athlete has no rights other than the right to agree or disagree with the terms and rules and whether or not they choose to participate.

As a private citizen things are much different. We have a Constitution that is very specific as to the role of government. One of them is to protect people from each other not to protect you from yourself, i.e., the right to personal freedom. In such case, the question is not necessarily whether something is good or bad for you but rather who should decide. If someone wants to eat oat meal and whey protein for breakfast or ice cream and butter sticks it is clear what is better for you but who should decide, you or the government? Health care cost with go down tremendously if we required everyone to exercise and eat healthy. But are you willing to give up your personal freedom and have others tell and require you to do what is good for you? If someone wants to mutilate their bodies with body piercing and splitting their tongue to look like a lizard I think they're nuts but it shouldn't be my or anyone's else business as long as they aren't hurting or bothering anyone. If someone wants to drink beer and get plastered just to get away from it all for a while or smoke a fatty it's none of my business. I don't want LE busting into people'ss home and putting them in jail. If someone wants to use steroids to help with athletic performance or just look better it's their decision as long as they don't hurt or bother anyone.

To summarize, athletes have no "right" to use steroids or anything else if their organization prohibits it. A private citizen, if you believe in personal freedom, indeed has the right to use steroids or anything they want as long as it doesn't impede on the freedom of others.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2008, 03:37:00 PM »
Doesn't matter whether they have a right or not. Top class athletes will do anything to win - even at the cost of risking their health / rep if caught.

That attitude is not unique to the athletic world - in business/politics, etc people will look for anything that can be used for leverage/advantage if the reward is worthwhile.

 Its only cheating if you get caught.



You are indeed correct when we delve into the realm of the real world. The question is about rights and freedoms. We have laws against say, stealing and murder, that doesn't insure that they will be followed and indeed they are not. But it's still against the law and if caught they should pay the penalty. Same with drugs in sports.

It's one thing to say whether or not one has the right to use performance enhancing compounds or any drugs at all and whether it should be allowed in sports or in your private life. Considering the trade offs, I would opt for anything goes. Ronnie would still be Mr. O and Phelps would still dominate the Olympics. But, there is always the chance that someone who didn't have the resources of Coleman or Phelps to beat the drug test and have various connections to obtain legit products will emerge.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 07:59:23 PM »
Yes as well as anyone else in the general population if so desired. At a responsible age of course.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 08:15:56 PM »
it's illegal therefore it is cheating.
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 08:21:19 PM »
People are allowed to smoke even though it causes CANCER.......500,000 deaths per year
People are allowed to drink even though it causes accidents.....100,000 deaths per year
People are allowed to carry guns in many states crime and death rate in america is one of worlds highest
Prescription medicine causes 500,000 deaths each year ... drugs prescribed by a doctor!!!!
Many new antibiotics and anti depressants are known to cause suicidal and homicidal thoughts and acts


WHY THE HELL NOT ALLOW STEROIDS...THEY ARE A LOT LESS DANGEROUS THAN "LEGAL" STUFF
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 08:24:31 PM »
i think they should have the right to use absolutely anything

the chemistry would basically become part of the contest.

if someone can run 100 meters in 8 seconds because of a new wonder drug, i'm all for it! 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 08:25:41 PM »
People are allowed to smoke even though it causes CANCER.......500,000 per year
People are allowed to drink even though it causes accidents.....100,000 per year
People are allowed to carry guns in many states crime and death rate in america is one of worlds highest
Prescription medicine causes 500,000 deaths each year ... drugs prescribed by a doctor!!!!
Many new antibiotics and anti depressants are known to cause suicidal and homicidal thoughts and acts


WHY THE HELL NOT ALLOW STEROIDS...THEY ARE A LOT LESS DANGEROUS THAN "LEGAL" STUFF

every drug less harmful then smoking, should be legal IMO.
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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 08:44:07 PM »
No because the government says so. 

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 08:54:59 PM »
There was a guy playing Rugby League about 6 years ago and he underwent a full knee reconstruction.The Doctor told him it was probally career ending injury.
6 months later his leg with the reconstruction was half the size of his other leg and rehabillitation was going very slowly and saw his career crumble.This is when he decided to turn to steroids in months of using anabolics he was training at a reduced capacity but they played a vital role in his increase in strength and rehabilitation to the point of full recovery.
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But instead of giving up the steroids he continued using them, out of no where he was one of the most intmidating forwards in rugby leauge.
He then went on to represent his State in league, a huge honour then to represent his country after 18 months he was finally random drug tested and was caught.
Players who played against said it was like hitting a brick out house in tackling him,
He was suspended for one year and made a comeback clean but he was only half the player when he was on roids and later retired.
But he said he was not sorry because they helped him resume his career.
Food for thought.

Some steroids will inhibit collagen synthesis and others will promote it.  Anyone doping up for injury recovery should be careful which ones they choose since some drugs would actually make for a slower recovery.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 09:21:24 PM »
free will should determine wether someone uses or not, my problem is with 'athletes' using aas/gh/slin/clen/t3 when their 'sport' is tested and they're trying to get around the testing.

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 09:24:07 PM »
Some steroids will inhibit collagen synthesis and others will promote it.  Anyone doping up for injury recovery should be careful which ones they choose since some drugs would actually make for a slower recovery.

Nandrolone and Human growth hormone are great for injuries.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 09:25:15 PM »
lets work on legalizing marijuana before we start ranting about the legalization of roids. one thing at a time.

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Re: Should Athletes Have The Right To Use Steroids
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 09:34:43 PM »
They already do.