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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: gibberj2 on January 09, 2006, 11:43:31 PM
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a friend of mine asked me about an ephedra product. i tried drenilean and it was okay. anyone know one that's out now that's very good?
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http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=2328
At least if you're actually looking for a real ephedra product
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VPX Sports Liquid Clenbutrx!
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http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=2328
At least if you're actually looking for a real ephedra product
Do you prefer this supplement over VasoPro? Obviously this one contains caffeine and doesn't have the guaifenesin, though not as much ephedrine.
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Do you prefer this supplement over VasoPro? Obviously this one contains caffeine and doesn't have the guaifenesin, though not as much ephedrine.
I like Stimerex-ES which has 25mg of ephedrine and 80mg of caffine.
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25mg 200mg 325mg
I prefer Ephedrine to Ephedra products, but depends on your personal preference and tolerances I suppose.
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Question onthe ECA. Like thepics above. Do you take one of each or what is the ratio. I have Vasapro.
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Question onthe ECA. Like thepics above. Do you take one of each or what is the ratio. I have Vasapro.
200mg caffeine
25 mg eph
3Xday
asprin not proven effective unless you're really really fat.
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The alkaloids are what give ephedra its effectiveness. Ephedrine is just one of those alkaloids. I think there is more to gain from the combination of them, then one being singled out.
There were quite a few studies done on ephedra. It's proven to work, no ephedrine.
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I really like Vasopro, I take 50mg an hour before Heavy Nights .and I get the Big boost
I want without the Jitters & Sleep problems after the workout.
Of course everyone reacts differently.
I recently tried Cytostrol by Southern Pharmaceuticals, I think it's discontinued now.
1 Cap is 665mg, It's a blend 8 different energizers and it's STRONG.
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Question onthe ECA. Like thepics above. Do you take one of each or what is the ratio. I have Vasapro.
1 Pill from each bottle. (25 mg Ephedrine / 200 mg Caffiene / 300 mg Aspirin) is the ratio I use, works out to roughly 1 pill per bottle.
For fat loss, I use 2 per bottle in the AM, and 3 per bottle after work roughly 1 hour before workout for the 2 weeks i use it.
(2 weeks on, 2 weeks off to allow recepotors to refresh. Like any drug, the body will develop a tolerance to it)
Princess is correct, I believe the asprin portion is arguable, but if it thins the blood for the extra pump effect, I use it anyway :)
Nice side effect of the eca stack is it blunts appetite (or does with me anyway).
The rush / thermogenic effect is amazing. Watch for harsh sides on the Ephedrine though (shakes, sleeplessness), start out with 1 pill per bottle to assess tolerance first, and drink lots o water, it will dry ya up quick.
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200mg caffeine
25 mg eph
3Xday
asprin not proven effective unless you're really really fat.
princess L
does it matter when you take the stack throughout the day?
thanks
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princess L
does it matter when you take the stack throughout the day?
thanks
The half life is somewhere around 3 hours, so that's why you want to split it up. Some people can't take it late in the day cuz it disrupts sleep. Nothing keeps me from sleeping tho. ;)
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Ok, Asprin anywhere, but what about your Ephedra, and Caffeine? I was going to buy lipo6 but it sounds like ECA is the way to go..HAvent used it sinc emy last show and that supplement store moved, so Im not sure wher eis the bes tplace to buy.
Thanks.
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NM, just discovered another thread, thanks.
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VasoPro at BB.com, NoDoz at ANY grocery store or convenience store and aspirin...anywhere.
60 servings of that shouldnt cost more than $20. Lipo is okay...but at baby aspirin to it w/ half a vasopro or...12.5mg of ephedrine to be exact.
Fk it...go with the tried/true ECA stack. Just that...nothing els. For a feather in the cap...'The Chad' told me that PERSONALLY at Jr. Nationals...told me forget any company or labeled 'fat burner' go with the ECA in its truest form...a fraction of the cost and twice as effective.
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thanks Blaock, much appreciated- do i take 200mgs of Nodoz per?
SO 25mg Vasopro, 200mg nodoz, and 300mg asprin?
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I will add this to this thread too as not many people know this - The govt just banned ephedra raw materials from entering the US - meaning what is here is now it for supplements. :(
BUT, you can still buy at many stores and online. I suggest searching for Xenadrine, Stacker 2 lite, and other generic versions. Once these are gone, then do the mix your own version. You might as well stick to your original formula if you can for a little while longer...
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One supplement crushes them all.
Adipo Kinetix!!!!! Cheaper than whiskey, kick like a mule. All in a tiny little tablet. The realest shit I've ever used
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Based on the pics of you on stage shown here...basically every single day, Vince...
I would have NEVER guessed you have ever used a supplement designed for burning fat and if so...you arent a credible source of information. I seen your stage pictures...
Why dont you tell us about taraxatone now and how it makes you drop water to see deeper striations.
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One supplement crushes them all.
Adipo Kinetix!!!!! Cheaper than whiskey, kick like a mule. All in a tiny little tablet. The realest shit I've ever used
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I always look for supplements similar in price to alcohol. Vince, why even post this crap?
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Adam, he was just trying to sound witty and cool...'cheaper than whiskey, kicks like a mule'
What a TOOL! Then he speaks as if supplements have or have not WORKED for him...you see his stage physique?
Another 'SELF-OWNING' by Vince Goodrum!
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200mg caffeine
25 mg eph
3Xday
asprin not proven effective unless you're really really fat.
Friend of mine went to the doctor for blood pressure readings and before his readings he admitted to taking ECA. Before this happened i also argued the effectiveness of the "A". The doctor told him that the "A" is necessary basically because the E and C get your blood pumping really fast which is very hard on the heart the A thins your blood making it alot easier on your heart. It seems very believable to me. The doctor said taking ECA was ok but STRESSED the fact to make sure you take the A.
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I believe White Willow Bark thins your blood too. My doctor was amazed at how much I bled during a routine visit when the needle broke the skin...
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Friend of mine went to the doctor for blood pressure readings and before his readings he admitted to taking ECA. Before this happened i also argued the effectiveness of the "A". The doctor told him that the "A" is necessary basically because the E and C get your blood pumping really fast which is very hard on the heart the A thins your blood making it alot easier on your heart. It seems very believable to me. The doctor said taking ECA was ok but STRESSED the fact to make sure you take the A.
It somewhat makes sense, and I'm certainly not going to dispute it since there doesn't seem to be any study out there confirming or denying it. All of the studies I've read indicate the A is not necessary for FAT LOSS - no mention of anything else.
The doctor told him that the "A" is necessary basically because the E and C get your blood pumping really fast which is very hard on the heart
Well, cardio gets your blood pumping really fast too ;)
Ephedrine is a bronchodialator and caffeine is a stimulant. If blood thinning was all that important then wouldn't it be recommended for coffee drinkers? ??? I'm not convinced of the doc's theory.
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It somewhat makes sense, and I'm certainly not going to dispute it since there doesn't seem to be any study out there confirming or denying it. All of the studies I've read indicate the A is not necessary for FAT LOSS - no mention of anything else.
Well, cardio gets your blood pumping really fast too ;)
Ephedrine is a bronchodialator and caffeine is a stimulant. If blood thinning was all that important then wouldn't it be recommended for coffee drinkers? ??? I'm not convinced of the doc's theory.
Yeah i dunno, but Princess L when it comes down to it whats a bottle of baby aspirin worth? The Aspirin defenetly isnt going to do any harm if not taken everyday. Sometimes i take the stack with an aspirin sometimes i dont. Im sure the friend who im talking about that went to the doc will read this soon and maybe speak on what he/she said a bit more
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alright, I looked on BB.com and bulkcitynutrition.com and vasapro's been removed...where the heck can you get this stuff now?
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http://www.senutrition.com/
http://www.supplementdirect.com/?PHPSESSID=e934ce5b72034aa22aae1b743ba143f9&content=2§ion=&search_type=store&field=vasopro
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It somewhat makes sense, and I'm certainly not going to dispute it since there doesn't seem to be any study out there confirming or denying it. All of the studies I've read indicate the A is not necessary for FAT LOSS - no mention of anything else.
Well, cardio gets your blood pumping really fast too ;)
Ephedrine is a bronchodialator and caffeine is a stimulant. If blood thinning was all that important then wouldn't it be recommended for coffee drinkers? ??? I'm not convinced of the doc's theory.
It's not for fat loss. It's for ease on your body. And coffee doesn't have 200mg of caffeine nor ephedrine. Nor do people drink it 30 mins before a run or session. As your body temp raises your blood will slowly start to thicken due to the loss of water from sweating. Not only that, but mental as well as physical stress IE: Working out or running can cause your blood to thicken. So you have three causes for blood thickening and causing unwanted strain on your heart. Hence the need for A.
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It's not for fat loss. It's for ease on your body. And coffee doesn't have 200mg of caffeine nor ephedrine. Nor do people drink it 30 mins before a run or session. As your body temp raises your blood will slowly start to thicken due to the loss of water from sweating. Not only that, but mental as well as physical stress IE: Working out or running can cause your blood to thicken. So you have three causes for blood thickening and causing unwanted strain on your heart. Hence the need for A.
References/sources?
And coffee doesn't have 200mg of caffeine. Nor do people drink it 30 mins before a run or session.
Basic brewed 6-7 ounces (ie; a SMALL cup) of regular coffee has anywhere from 90-150mg caffeine. And MANY people use pre-workout stimulants -ie; coffee, caffeine pills, soda, Red Bull, or some other "energy" drink.
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It's not for fat loss. It's for ease on your body. And coffee doesn't have 200mg of caffeine nor ephedrine. Nor do people drink it 30 mins before a run or session. As your body temp raises your blood will slowly start to thicken due to the loss of water from sweating. Not only that, but mental as well as physical stress IE: Working out or running can cause your blood to thicken. So you have three causes for blood thickening and causing unwanted strain on your heart. Hence the need for A.
Maybe not your coffee but mine has much more than 200mg ;D.
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http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=2328
At least if you're actually looking for a real ephedra product
Has this stuff been discontinued? It says out of stock, but will it be back? If I place an order, when can I expect it?
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It's not for fat loss. It's for ease on your body. And coffee doesn't have 200mg of caffeine nor ephedrine. Nor do people drink it 30 mins before a run or session. As your body temp raises your blood will slowly start to thicken due to the loss of water from sweating. Not only that, but mental as well as physical stress IE: Working out or running can cause your blood to thicken. So you have three causes for blood thickening and causing unwanted strain on your heart. Hence the need for A.
References/sources?
Still waiting....