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Title: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: HowieW on October 07, 2007, 05:38:23 PM
Now that the O has come and gone ,any new details on your Colorado Pro show for 2008?

Thanks and I have to admit ,that your event, is my favorite pro  show overall. I know I sound like some lacky, LOL.
I simply ENJOYED the show experience of the Colorado Pro more than any other pro event I ever attended.
I would like to see a bigger expo (if possible) and vendors near the night show if possible.
I would love to see the pros in the show at tables/booths an hr before the night show (6-7?)starts for a fan meet and greet and pic sales.
Good luck on your contest promo plans.
Howard
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: Matt C on October 07, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
Is Shawn's show worth going to?  Is the expo anything of significance?  How many fans attended the show?
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: pushinweight on October 07, 2007, 05:52:46 PM
Is Shawn's show worth going to?  Is the expo anything of significance?  How many fans attended the show?

 ;D
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 07, 2007, 06:11:49 PM
;D
if 9,000 is a stretch for the Olympia 1,000 would be good for denver
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: Ex Coelis on October 07, 2007, 06:16:36 PM
a weigh-in like at the Ironman would be neat
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: HowieW on October 08, 2007, 09:36:05 AM
Is Shawn's show worth going to?  Is the expo anything of significance?  How many fans attended the show?
yes, obviously I felt Shawn's Colorado Pro is well worth going to and is my favorite event.
Here are the positive factors:
1. The lineup was good quality overall and the pro figure was fun to wtach as well along with the NPC event .
2. The expo will be better next year , BUT was ok this year. If you want to go to a densly packed expo with a million people , go to the ASC. Having said that, yes, the Arnold expo is a better expo "if" you go at the off peak times. OVERALL< I had a good low key time at the Col pro expo.

3. The show theatre is incredible for the Col pro. It is huge venue that gives the event an atmosphere of class and drama.The lighting was top notch,as was the sound quality. Everyone looked they had a good seat to get an excellent view of the stage.

4. Denver is a wonderful place to visit. No, it does not have the same stuff as vegas. However, 70 miles NW is the Rocky Mt national park and well worth a couple days visit.

5. I think that the Col Pro offers a lot of bang for your buck compared to other events in BB. I only hope that Shawn offers:
a) a VIP type of ticket with best seats for all events
b) a meet/greet for the fans to meet the pros.

Yes, the Col Pro is different than the Olympia and ASC and I am glad it is. It is more in line with how I think pro BB shows/events should be run and produced.
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 08, 2007, 09:40:38 AM
did you get paid 50 dollars for posting that?
Title: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 02:01:14 PM
Which pros will be doing the Colorado Pro next year?  Have you gotten any comittments yet? Who has expressed an interest?

With the great caliber of your show and the huge audiences it has, I wouldn't be surprised if you get a Wolf/Victor/Dexter matchup!  :o
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2007, 02:17:13 PM
Not even sure if the show is scheduled yet, with everything going on. Look for the schedule in less than a month out there.

As for Victor Martinez, Arnold and Olympia are his best bet to topple the current champion Jay next year.

Wolf though is a major contender also for 2008.
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 02:26:28 PM
As for Victor Martinez, Arnold and Olympia are his best bet to topple the current champion Jay next year.



Are you saying Jay plans to do the Arnold next year?
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Special Ed on October 10, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Are you saying Jay plans to do the Arnold next year?
If Jay can pick up $150K looking like he did at the O, why not just enter EVERY contest next year?
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 02:36:36 PM
Not even sure if the show is scheduled yet, with everything going on.


So are you suggesting that this wildly popular and well-attended show might not be on the schedule next year??  :o
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Special Ed on October 10, 2007, 02:41:19 PM

So are you suggesting that this wildly popular and well-attended show might not be on the schedule next year??  :o
Rumors of the demise of Shawn's Colorado Pro have been greatly exaggerated in each of the past two years. In 2006, Wayne told me the show would be cancelled and it wasn't. Then I heard the same rumors last year.

You can't stop Shawn Ray...you can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on October 10, 2007, 02:46:15 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/ostkuk/bc2.gif)

Shawn smacks down the haters.

The Colorado Pro will be a great success this year.

We all know that Shawn has hyped it up from September on, every year.

This year he's holding it back.  I'm sure he has a good reason.
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 02:46:45 PM
Rumors of the demise of Shawn's Colorado Pro have been greatly exaggerated in each of the past two years. In 2006, Wayne told me the show would be cancelled and it wasn't. Then I heard the same rumors last year.

You can't stop Shawn Ray...you can only hope to contain him.


Uh...... Ed......  you're supposed to be a Getbig troll, not an IFBB butt-boy.   Know your role!  >:(
Title: Re: 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Special Ed on October 10, 2007, 02:56:16 PM

Uh...... Ed......  you're supposed to be a Getbig troll, not an IFBB butt-boy.   Know your role!  >:(
Must kill the queen...must kill the queen...
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Spicy Shushi on October 10, 2007, 03:54:46 PM
sean is going to be out of a job soon...there will be no colorado pro...vyoscam has no athletes left...had no booth at the olympia...vyo is going bankrupt and owe too many people too much money...
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 10, 2007, 04:05:46 PM
Better bring your SHADES 8)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 04:32:54 PM
Better bring your SHADES 8)


Notice how Shawn doesn't answer the question!  ::)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 10, 2007, 04:48:50 PM

Sounds like he doesn't have a date yet, but knows it will be in the summertime.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 10, 2007, 04:51:57 PM
Better bring your SHADES 8)
(http://z.about.com/d/80music/1/0/J/3/grace-jones.jpg)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: The_Leafy_Bug on October 10, 2007, 04:54:14 PM
Better bring your SHADES 8)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 10, 2007, 04:57:32 PM
what happened to the financial questions from members? 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 05:07:56 PM
Sounds like he doesn't have a date yet, but knows it will be in the summertime.

Well, then all he would need to say is something like "Vyotech has commited to funding the 2008 show, and we are looking at a June date".  Instead, he remains silent and deletes posts asking about it.  Very telling.

Don't you have to book a venue like the Denver convention center like a year out or something?  Facilities like those are not always available when trying to book short-term.  You'd think a deposit would already have been paid and he could give us the date at least.  ::)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 10, 2007, 05:43:17 PM
Well, then all he would need to say is something like "Vyotech has commited to funding the 2008 show, and we are looking at a June date".  Instead, he remains silent and deletes posts asking about it.  Very telling.

Don't you have to book a venue like the Denver convention center like a year out or something?  Facilities like those are not always available when trying to book short-term.  You'd think a deposit would already have been paid and he could give us the date at least.  ::)
why all the secrets about finances?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Disgusted on October 10, 2007, 05:47:42 PM
Doesn't take Wayne for Vyotech to realize that they are losing money every year. Oh and since this is the rumor section I heard a rumor  ;D that Victor is skipping the AC next year.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 10, 2007, 05:49:51 PM
Too many corrupt judges?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 06:06:13 PM
Too many corrupt judges?


Like who?  Give us examples...
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 10, 2007, 06:14:11 PM
Word has it.....Shawn is going to have Lee Priest & Milos in attendance

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 06:15:44 PM
Word has it.....Shawn is going to have Lee Priest & Milos in attendance




Well, we know Shawn and Milos are tight.  Will Snake OilTM be a major sponsor of the 2008 Shawn Ray Colorado Pro?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 10, 2007, 06:17:11 PM
Snake Oil & midget porn

 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigkubby on October 10, 2007, 07:29:01 PM
word is jay cutler is gonna show up and dominate ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 10, 2007, 07:31:37 PM
word is jay cutler is gonna show up and dominate ;D


And why not?  With Vyotech's steadfast backing, "The Shawn", as it's come to be called, will probably pay out more prize money than the Olympia!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 10, 2007, 07:35:20 PM

And why not?  With Vyotech's steadfast backing, "The Shawn", as it's come to be called, will probably pay out more prize money than the Olympia!
La Shawn
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 10, 2007, 11:34:30 PM
That would be Le Shawn 8)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigkubby on October 10, 2007, 11:43:22 PM
NO THAT WOULD BE SHAWN RAY WITH ALL THE OLTMPIA TITLES YOU CARRY ::) AND WHY DO YOU PROMOTE A THRID TIER COMPANY SHAWN? IS IT BECAUSE YOUR WERE A THIRD TIER BODYBUILDER OR BECAUSE YOU NEVER WON ANY IMPRESSIVE CONTESTS? ;D THE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMM
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: onlyme on October 11, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigkubby on October 11, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
;D
LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I ALMOST SPIT UP MY CRYSTAL LIGHT  ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 11, 2007, 04:41:23 AM
That would be Le Shawn 8)
  only if the gender is feminine would it be Le Shawn. :) otherwise La Shawn
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 11, 2007, 03:06:08 PM
*bump* for "Le Shawn"!  ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: dearth on October 11, 2007, 06:15:46 PM
Shawn is a little bitch for not answering the question.

hope this helps
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Vince B on October 11, 2007, 06:21:44 PM
Quite sad when a competitor says this:  "I seriously would like to know how a person becomes an IFBB judge. Apparently you do not have to have many years of experience, I just wonder what you have to bring to the table as far as experience." 

How does one become pro athletes' rep? How does one become a vice-president? Same process.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 11, 2007, 06:26:02 PM
Keith, it looks like you made a Miraculous Recovery from the Brink of Death from Obesity?
I'm happy to see you haven't lost your sense of humor and here I thought you were at Deaths door :-*
Welcome back, let the Games Begin! >:(
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2007, 06:54:12 PM

The Colorado Pro show, both years, were very good shows. The problem is that the title sponsor Vyotech, pulled out of the 2007 Olympia earlier, and has not committed to too many shows for next year, except for a few. Vyotech products are still moving, and really have not slowed down much. The problem was that they spent a lot of money on advertising the Goat Whey product, which was delayed.

So they may not sponsor the Colorado Pro, which can be upwards for $50-80K, but perhaps sponsor a number of other shows, which is there strategy.  So there is a good chance that the Colorado Pro show, which had its run for 2 years, just won't happen.

As for Shawn, like it or not, he pushed hard to bring a quality show to Denver, Colorado. Right in the heart of downtown. And he used a great promoter and good guy, Jeff Taylor (the NPC Chairman of Colorado) to work with him. Among other people. It was well run, and fun.

As for Keith, you of all people know how hard it is to run a good show and expo. You should me commending Shawn for at least pushing hard for two years to make it a quality event.  Shawn is a 13 time Olympian top 5 competitor. That is a great streak.

You, also had a great career and run until your spider bite. So now, leaving in Vegas, you have no more excuses to get in shape. You told me you would. It would be the greatest story for the boards! But then again, I know how hard it is to motivate yourself sometimes, as we all have that problem.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: pushinweight on October 11, 2007, 06:57:37 PM
The Colorado Pro show, both years, were very good shows. The problem is that the title sponsor Vyotech, pulled out of the 2007 Olympia earlier, and has not committed to too many shows for next year, except for a few. Vyotech products are still moving, and really have not slowed down much. The problem was that they spent a lot of money on advertising the Goat Whey product, which was delayed.

So they may not sponsor the Colorado Pro, which can be upwards for $50-80K, but perhaps sponsor a number of other shows, which is there strategy.  So there is a good chance that the Colorado Pro show, which had its run for 2 years, just won't happen.

As for Shawn, like it or not, he pushed hard to bring a quality show to Denver, Colorado. Right in the heart of downtown. And he used a great promoter and good guy, Jeff Taylor (the NPC Chairman of Colorado) to work with him. Among other people. It was well run, and fun.

As for Keith, you of all people know how hard it is to run a good show and expo. You should me commending Shawn for at least pushing hard for two years to make it a quality event.  Shawn is a 13 time Olympian top 5 competitor. That is a great streak.

You, also had a great career and run until your spider bite. So now, leaving in Vegas, you have no more excuses to get in shape. You told me you would. It would be the greatest story for the boards! But then again, I know how hard it is to motivate yourself sometimes, as we all have that problem.


It looks apparent there is no Colorado Pro next year.  It would be better if Shawn just posted it. 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Disgusted on October 11, 2007, 07:01:00 PM
So no pro show? Wonder if Vyotech will keep Sean boy on the payroll?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 11, 2007, 07:54:28 PM
So no pro show? Wonder if Vyotech will keep Sean boy on the payroll?

 ;D   


So much for Shawn's career as a promotor!  Maybe Milos will give him a job working the front desk at the K or something.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on October 11, 2007, 08:35:01 PM
No Colo Pro?  Bummer. 

I'm prepared for the positive spin by Shawn about how this is what he planned all along  :-\
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 11, 2007, 08:46:49 PM
The Colorado Pro show, both years, were very good shows.



Yes, Ron, I'm sure the 50 people who attended each year enjoyed it very much.  ;D

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: pushinweight on October 11, 2007, 08:53:01 PM
Well to bad about the show.  But it destined to where it ended up.  He at least has the Golf event to keep his name out there.  I just hope he doesn't bounce any checks to the hospital.  You know how house payments and car lease payments come first.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: regmac on October 11, 2007, 09:08:45 PM
Shawn !!!!   Looks like they expected you to promote a show compared to the O!!!!!    Like Smokey aka Chris Tucker says ; You gotta crawl before you can walk!!!!!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: noworries on October 11, 2007, 10:53:56 PM
Shawn !!!!   Looks like they expected you to promote a show compared to the O!!!!!    Like Smokey aka Chris Tucker says ; You gotta crawl before you can walk!!!!!

He's crawling alright, but without a 2008 show. :'(
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: flexingtonsteele on October 11, 2007, 10:59:56 PM
So pretty much what Ron is saying is........Vyotech is going out of business because the goat whey tanked. And there will be no colorado pro next year.

The Colorado Pro show, both years, were very good shows. The problem is that the title sponsor Vyotech, pulled out of the 2007 Olympia earlier, and has not committed to too many shows for next year, except for a few. Vyotech products are still moving, and really have not slowed down much. The problem was that they spent a lot of money on advertising the Goat Whey product, which was delayed.

So they may not sponsor the Colorado Pro, which can be upwards for $50-80K, but perhaps sponsor a number of other shows, which is there strategy.  So there is a good chance that the Colorado Pro show, which had its run for 2 years, just won't happen.

As for Shawn, like it or not, he pushed hard to bring a quality show to Denver, Colorado. Right in the heart of downtown. And he used a great promoter and good guy, Jeff Taylor (the NPC Chairman of Colorado) to work with him. Among other people. It was well run, and fun.

As for Keith, you of all people know how hard it is to run a good show and expo. You should me commending Shawn for at least pushing hard for two years to make it a quality event.  Shawn is a 13 time Olympian top 5 competitor. That is a great streak.

You, also had a great career and run until your spider bite. So now, leaving in Vegas, you have no more excuses to get in shape. You told me you would. It would be the greatest story for the boards! But then again, I know how hard it is to motivate yourself sometimes, as we all have that problem.

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 11, 2007, 11:08:04 PM
The topic will be discussed on Monday on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Radio.
Tune in for details.
I love you guys :-*
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 12, 2007, 02:53:47 AM
The topic will be discussed on Monday on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Radio.
Tune in for details.
I love you guys :-*
no thanks, i'll just read the 240 recap and not waste 50 minutes.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 08:05:21 AM
So pretty much what Ron is saying is........Vyotech is going out of business because the goat whey tanked. And there will be no colorado pro next year.



That's what they get for stealing my trademark name for their st00pid whey!  >:(
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: Lee_a_priest on October 12, 2007, 08:57:51 AM
HEY RON.....MUST HAVE GOT ONE OF THOSE CALLS AGAIN......

WHY NOT MAKE THIS THE IFBB BOARD SINCE THEY CONTROLL IT........EVEN GOOD OLD FLEX IS IN TROUBLE ON MD BOARD FOR HIS OLYMPIA COMMENTS.......
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: jaejonna on October 12, 2007, 09:13:55 AM
So there isnt a Colorado Pro show this year ?
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 12, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
GETBIG Peanut Gallery is in Classic Form and FUll Effect ;D

Im here kids, Flame on  :-*
The CO PRO AM Will be discussed on PBW Monday ;D
S. Ray
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 09:17:44 AM
GETBIG Peanut Gallery is in Classic Form and FUll Effect ;D

Im here kids, Flame on  :-*
The CO PRO AM Will be discussed on PBW Monday ;D
S. Ray


Are you denying deleting the thread?   You were the only one logged on when it disappeared.
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 12, 2007, 09:18:09 AM
Why are you guys picking on me
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on October 12, 2007, 09:19:36 AM
GETBIG Peanut Gallery is in Classic Form and FUll Effect ;D

Im here kids, Flame on  :-*
The CO PRO AM Will be discussed on PBW Monday ;D
S. Ray

Problem is, Shawn, it's not just the peanut gallery reading this.  It's everyone in the industry.  your peers, friends, and enemies.

Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: The True Adonis on October 12, 2007, 09:20:46 AM
Why are you guys picking on me
I have told you time and time again that your contest venture was and would be a dismal failure just as all of these ventures pan out to be.  Why did you not listen?
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: bizzy on October 12, 2007, 09:33:33 AM
Nothing ventured...Nothing Gained
Better to try and fail at something than to not try at all...
Props to Shawn and Onlyme for having the balls to put
on a show...
Same to Adonis for entering the Mr. Getbig 1
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: Paul Allen on October 12, 2007, 09:36:02 AM
I have told you time and time again that your contest venture was and would be a dismal failure just as all of these ventures pan out to be.  Why did you not listen?

probably because you're in no position to give him financial advice?
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: mass 04 on October 12, 2007, 09:37:14 AM
what about the millions of people that are wishing to attend?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 12, 2007, 09:50:03 AM
It will be nice to go back to Colorado if the show is on the schedule. Denver is a great city. But as of now, we do not have the official schedule for 2008 yet. We shall listen in on Monday on Pro Bodybuilding Radio, and for those of you who can't handle an hour to listen, we will give you the Cliff note version of it later on.

Probably the reason the thread was cleaned up is because some of you choose to, instead of discussing the topic, you spew out a post or two of hatred that has the whole thread gone.  Instead of trying to support the industry, some of you clearly dont care, and that is too bad. I give a lot more respect to people who actually come and go to a show or an expo, than to one who thinks he knows, but says it is a failure.

It is easy to criticize from the seat of your ass instead of actually going to the show. As I have said it before, I have more respect for Billy Guns and Vince G for going to the O, than others who love to complain but never go.

As for Goatboy, get your act together, and try to say something positive. At least go to a show, and stop complaining about the world.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 10:04:30 AM
Probably the reason the thread was cleaned up is because some of you choose to, instead of discussing the topic, you spew out a post or two of hatred that has the whole thread gone.  Instead of trying to support the industry, some of you clearly dont care, and that is too bad.

It is easy to criticize from the seat of your ass instead of actually going to the show. As I have said it before, I have more respect for Billy Guns and Vince G for going to the O, than others who love to complain but never go.

As for Goatboy, get your act together, and try to say something positive. At least go to a show, and stop complaining about the world.




Ron, the negativity is because it's Shawn.  If it was anyone else who honestly tried to bring a new show on board, they wouldn't be catching this kind of shit.  Shawn is someone who delights in the misery of others and takes every opportunity to kick people when they're down (Keith is just one example of many).  We're returning the favor, as Karma is a bitch and what goes around really does come around.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 12, 2007, 10:22:36 AM


Ron, the negativity is because it's Shawn.  If it was anyone else who honestly tried to bring a new show on board, they wouldn't be catching this kind of shit.  Shawn in someone who delights in the misery of others and takes every opportunity to kick people when they're down (Keith is just one example of many).  We're returning the favor, as Karma is a bitch and what goes around really does come around.
bump for realty theme
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Mr. Cortisol on October 12, 2007, 10:24:47 AM


Ron, the negativity is because it's Shawn.  If it was anyone else who honestly tried to bring a new show on board, they wouldn't be catching this kind of shit.  Shawn in someone who delights in the misery of others and takes every opportunity to kick people when they're down (Keith is just one example of many).  We're returning the favor, as Karma is a bitch and what goes around really does come around.

there it is.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 12, 2007, 10:28:33 AM
Sounds like Vyotech is going bk



& Shawn....I don't mean burger king

 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 11:23:44 AM
& Shawn....I don't mean burger king

 ;D



Actually, he may be working there before too long.  ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: regmac on October 12, 2007, 01:13:44 PM
     Ron I agree with your comments   and am shocked people would criticize Shawn on promoting a BRAND NEW show!  It's obviouse some of these guys on here never ever,  ever,ever,ever competed or dared to promote (even Co-Promote) a show . I respect Shawn as apromoter and one of the greatest bb'rs EVER!  I also congradulate you RON for a well ran chatline  that MAY need to be cleaned out a bit.   PS  Keep up the good work!!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 01:32:03 PM
     Ron I agree with your comments   and am shocked people would criticize Shawn on promoting a BRAND NEW show! 


We're not criticizing Shawn for putting on a show, we're laughing at him becasue it failed.  Shawn has a mean streak in him and enjoys kicking others when they're down on their luck...  he's just getting some of his own medicine.

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: sgt. d on October 12, 2007, 02:44:59 PM

We're not criticizing Shawn for putting on a show, we're laughing at him becasue it failed.  Shawn has a mean streak in him and enjoys kicking others when they're down on their luck...  he's just getting some of his own medicine.



How did the show fail? You didnt go to the show. I know alot of people that went that enjoyed the show. Shawn put on 2 great shows that put extra money in bodybuilders pockets and you complain? You complain about the ifbb not allowing bbers to go to pdi for extra money but when more ifbb shows are added you bitch about it. You roam around these boards showing hate towards everybody. Do you love yourself at all? Its obvious you hate people who does better than you. Join a church or start reading the bible because you need it.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: regmac on October 12, 2007, 02:50:39 PM
If there is any promoter I'd beef with it'd be Balik.   As Shawn once stated the THE PRO IRONMAN prize money is still (about) the same but the ticket prices have risen dramamtically. Shawn's is still a success it handles not only IFBB athletes but also NPC!!!!  I see his show moving up there to the ARNOLD in a few years  but like I said before...Ya Gotta Crawl Before You Can Walk!!!!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 12, 2007, 03:42:26 PM
Talk about "Ungrateful." >:(
The Peanut Gallery is a tough crowd!
Sadly, the people that are complaining, never bothered to come to Denver. Everyone in Denver, Amateur and Pro, loved what we brought. Did I say it would last forever, no.
Did I get challenged by people at Ironman to put on my own show, yes.
Did I do that in grand fashion and across the board, yes.
Am I satified with the two year show, yes.
Would I change anything, NO!
Can I walk away and be satisfied with what we did in Denver YES!
Will I....................... .... ???
Will the show be on the calander for next year,.......................
Tune into Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Monday 5pm PST. ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: regmac on October 12, 2007, 05:11:19 PM
Shawn why bother answerring them???  From what I hear the Colorado show was GREAT the last 2 years!  I wish I went but I am too busy to go when the time comes. Don't lett'm get ya down.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 12, 2007, 05:31:15 PM
Talk about "Ungrateful." >:(
The Peanut Gallery is a tough crowd!
Sadly, the people that are complaining, never bothered to come to Denver. Everyone in Denver, Amateur and Pro, loved what we brought. Did I say it would last forever, no.
Did I get challenged by people at Ironman to put on my own show, yes.
Did I do that in grand fashion and across the board, yes.
Am I satified with the two year show, yes.
Would I change anything, NO!
Can I walk away and be satisfied with what we did in Denver YES!
Will I....................... .... ???
Will the show be on the calander for next year,.......................
Tune into Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Monday 5pm PST. ;D

This looks like a copy & paste from Onlyme (no offense Keith)

 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: noworries on October 12, 2007, 06:03:33 PM
Talk about "Ungrateful." >:(
The Peanut Gallery is a tough crowd!
Sadly, the people that are complaining, never bothered to come to Denver. Everyone in Denver, Amateur and Pro, loved what we brought. Did I say it would last forever, no.  No but you did say it was booked through 2008
Did I get challenged by people at Ironman to put on my own show, yes.  What kind of challenge?
Did I do that in grand fashion and across the board, yes. How grand was it?
Am I satified with the two year show, yes.  This could be your downfall.  If you were satisfied with losing money.
Would I change anything, NO!  This too could be your downfall.  If your title sponsor is unhappy losing money then you should change.
Can I walk away and be satisfied with what we did in Denver YES!  Walk away thats the best thing you have said so far.
Will I....................... .... ???
Will the show be on the calander for next year,.......................
Tune into Pro Bodybuilding Weekly Monday 5pm PST. ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 06:36:52 PM
This looks like a copy & paste from Onlyme (no offense Keith)

 ;D



Exactly!    Shawn seems to be copying the very same explainations he shat on when offered by Keith.  Feels different when the shoe is on the other fioot, huh Shawn?


Ron, Shawn, and all of Shawn's nuthuggers seem 100% convinced I wasn't at the Colorado Pro I or II.  Interesting how they can be so certain without hacking into my American Express account to see if I was in Denver.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Havenbull on October 12, 2007, 06:44:48 PM

Goatboy, can you explain in a short paragraph who Lee Thompson is?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 12, 2007, 06:46:44 PM
It will be nice to go back to Colorado if the show is on the schedule. Denver is a great city. But as of now, we do not have the official schedule for 2008 yet. We shall listen in on Monday on Pro Bodybuilding Radio, and for those of you who can't handle an hour to listen, we will give you the Cliff note version of it later on.

Probably the reason the thread was cleaned up is because some of you choose to, instead of discussing the topic, you spew out a post or two of hatred that has the whole thread gone.  Instead of trying to support the industry, some of you clearly dont care, and that is too bad. I give a lot more respect to people who actually come and go to a show or an expo, than to one who thinks he knows, but says it is a failure.

It is easy to criticize from the seat of your ass instead of actually going to the show. As I have said it before, I have more respect for Billy Guns and Vince G for going to the O, than others who love to complain but never go.

As for Goatboy, get your act together, and try to say something positive. At least go to a show, and stop complaining about the world.


This is an excellent post, but was NOT written by Ron Avidan. 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2007, 06:48:13 PM
What about my freedom of speech?

Is texasbubba, aka, Lee Thompson going to call a certain mod from getbig and have him delete every thread he is mentioned in or does this mod delete willingly and enthusiastically?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 06:53:15 PM
This is an excellent post

So you're saying you agree that "goatboy needs to get his act together"?


Sadly, I expected more of you, Tre.  Sure, you're a schmoe, but you always struck me as an honest man.  Surely the IFBB minions haven't captured you too??  :o
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 12, 2007, 06:53:42 PM
I attended the first show and enjoyed myself tremendously.  I wasn't there in 2007, but heard it was even better.

Although not a commercial success, the Colorado Pro *is* an event that the majority of fans and competitors in attendance enjoyed.  

In order to bring it back, they would need to modify the business model and plan on growing it over a period of several years.

In my opinion, using a more sensibly-priced venue and decreasing the prize money while focusing on increasing the size of the NPC portion would make this show viable within 3-5 years.

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 12, 2007, 06:55:30 PM
So you're saying you agree that "goatboy needs to get his act together"?


Sadly, I expected more of you, Tre.  Sure, you're a schmoe, bu you always struck me as an honest man.  Surely the IFBB minions haven't captured you too??  :o

C'mon now - you know I'm a renegade!   ;)

I've never thought this before, but I think the majority of the text in that particular post was sent to Ron to post. 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 06:58:51 PM
C'mon now - you know I'm a renegade!   ;)

I've never thought this before, but I think the majority of the text in that particular post was sent to Ron to post. 

Hmmm... so if true, "goatboy" has made the IFBB "enemies list"!


Awesome!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 12, 2007, 07:00:22 PM
Still waiting for my buddy Shawn to comeback with something other than a copy & paste
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Still waiting for my buddy Shawn to comeback with something other than a copy & paste


You'll be waiting quite some time, Knny.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2007, 07:05:38 PM
Still waiting for my buddy Shawn to comeback with something other than a copy & paste
You'll have to wait for the IFBB to e-mail him his response.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 07:09:38 PM

Goatboy, can you explain in a short paragraph who Lee Thompson is?


I could, but it would be promptly deleted.  Besides, I have no axe to grind with him other than I hate hypocracy.... there are many others here who are far more qualified than I am to tell the "tale of Lee Thompson" from a personal perspective. 
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 12, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
what happened to cut260 ?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 12, 2007, 07:36:34 PM
what happened to cut260 ?
The IFBB....... :o
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 12, 2007, 07:38:00 PM
I met Lee in Dallas - Lonnie was breaking his balls a bit after a LONG show and he struck me as a pretty cool guy.  At a glance, he looks a little like actor Jean Remo (The Professional, Da Vinci Code).
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 12, 2007, 07:41:59 PM
yeah well on here he was a dick and a royal douche bag
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 12, 2007, 07:46:25 PM
yeah well on here he was a dick and a royal douche bag

No, that wasn't him...  that was his "brother-in-law"!  ;)



 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 12, 2007, 10:24:03 PM
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This is an excellent post, but was NOT written by Ron Avidan. I've never thought this before, but I think the majority of the text in that particular post was sent to Ron to post.


Funny, but bull. I wrote that all, and if you wish to debate it, go ahead. Tre, I expect to see you at the Sacramento Pro Nov 3rd or so! I will be there!

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In order to bring it back, they would need to modify the business model and plan on growing it over a period of several years. In my opinion, using a more sensibly-priced venue and decreasing the prize money while focusing on increasing the size of the NPC portion would make this show viable within 3-5 years.


Ah, here we go. In terms of the fans, the Colorado show was a success. In terms of making money, it wasnt. Until you actually put on a show, put your own money down, get sponsors, and more, it isn't as easy at it sounds. Kudos for Shawn for putting it on. Once you see what needs to get done, you have more respect. Shawn learned the hard way. As an athlete, he was critical of promoters, and raising the prize money. But now, being on the other side, he understands more.

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can you explain in a short paragraph who Lee Thompson is?

I have no problem with people talking about Lee Thompson - I have a problem with people accusing him without proof. It equals to slander, so don't. Lee and I get along fine, I think he is cool, and yes, he is friends with Shawn Ray, as well as friends to a lot of other people. Lee is the chairperson of the NPC in Texas, and has been very visible lately, in terms of being at a lot of events. He is a dedicated person to the sport of bodybuilding, and has worked hard to build it up in Texas, and goes all over, unpaid. Does he have problems with people? Maybe? Are others jealous of his rise to chairperson? Perhaps? Does he have conflicts? Sure - many people do. 

You don't like the guy. Fine. But when things comes to talk about family, and other private events, it crosses the line. For everyone.

Whoa... it is starting to pour out here in Woodland Hills... we definately need the rain!


Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 12, 2007, 10:46:27 PM
Ron, that's Goat Boy pissin in the Wind again, get your Umbrella quick! 8)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 12, 2007, 10:57:09 PM
Ha - but Shawn, it really is raining out here. Time to take the automatic sprinklers off for 24 hours!

But there is a lot involved in a show - insurance, venue, people, security, unions, fees, hall costs, sanctions, prize money, advertising, actually getting sponsors and so much more.  People just figure it is so easy - but it isnt.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: sgt. d on October 13, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
GoatBoy hates everybody
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Lee_a_priest on October 13, 2007, 08:24:46 AM
Ha - but Shawn, it really is raining out here. Time to take the automatic sprinklers off for 24 hours!

But there is a lot involved in a show - insurance, venue, people, security, unions, fees, hall costs, sanctions, prize money, advertising, actually getting sponsors and so much more.  People just figure it is so easy - but it isnt.

FUNNT HOW IS ITS SHAWN OR IFBB CANCELLING SHOW IRS OK....ITS HARD TO PUT ON A SHOW ETC.....BUT WHEN IT WAS WAYNE AND PDI...YOU ALL COULDNT SAY ENOUGH BAD SHIT NOW COULD YOU..........WHAT COMES AROUND....WELL YOU KNOW THE REST.........
Title: Re: SHAWN DELETED THE COLORADO PRO THREAD AGAIN, RON!
Post by: dearth on October 13, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
Why are you guys picking on me
.


because you  can't even admit that there will be no 2008 colorado show,
ron had to do that for you.

monster conviction
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 13, 2007, 08:42:44 AM
FUNNT HOW IS ITS SHAWN OR IFBB CANCELLING SHOW IRS OK....ITS HARD TO PUT ON A SHOW ETC.....BUT WHEN IT WAS WAYNE AND PDI...YOU ALL COULDNT SAY ENOUGH BAD SHIT NOW COULD YOU..........WHAT COMES AROUND....WELL YOU KNOW THE REST.........
YEAH WHERE'S LIFT RUNNIN HIS MOUTH ABOUT NOW? :D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: onlyme on October 13, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
YEAH WHERE'S LIFT RUNNIN HIS MOUTH ABOUT NOW? :D

Lift PMed me last year telling me how right I was about Sean.  He was there to help Jeff Taylor.  I feel bad for Jeff.  I met him at the Olympia and he is a great guy.  Sorry he got mixed up with Sean though.  I hope nothing bad happened to him.  Weird how karma works.  I better watch out. ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 13, 2007, 12:57:33 PM
Jeff took it the BANK, call him, ask him, email him. ;D
Keith it looks like I gotta come after ya again.
 I tried to make nice because of Weight Problem but it looks like your fingers still work goo enough for you to Dish it out. Now the gloves are off >:(

FOOD FIGHT! :o
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 13, 2007, 01:03:39 PM
i miss Lift, wish he posted more..fun to pick on
and the colorado show was a bad idea whoever dreamed that up
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: knny187 on October 13, 2007, 04:37:11 PM
So....buddy....Shawn.... ..


stop avoiding the question

 ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: onlyme on October 13, 2007, 05:28:31 PM
Jeff took it the BANK, call him, ask him, email him. ;D
Keith it looks like I gotta come after ya again.
 I tried to make nice because of Weight Problem but it looks like your fingers still work goo enough for you to Dish it out. Now the gloves are off >:(

FOOD FIGHT! :o
Sorry Sean.  I am a born again Christian and i can't himself being an asshole to you.  Please accept my born again Christian apology. ::)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Shawn Ray on October 13, 2007, 07:13:26 PM
Keith man you still got it! :o
Good luck with new Exercise and training regime ::)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v412/lkl711/?action=view&current=noel.flv
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 13, 2007, 08:18:07 PM
Keith man you still got it! :o
Good luck with new Exercise and training regime ::)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v412/lkl711/?action=view&current=noel.flv
Onlyme dwarfs you.....hope this helped :)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 13, 2007, 09:36:14 PM
and the colorado show was a bad idea whoever dreamed that up

Strongly disagree.

They've got a very loyal NPC athlete and fanbase in Colorado.  On top of that, Denver is a beautiful travel destination and a great place to spend a weekend...very clean and family-friendly with excellent restaurants and plenty of arts and culture. 

As I saw it, the major mistakes in year 1 (I missed this year's) were as follows:

1) Selecting a far too expensive venue
2) Awarding way too much prize money
3) Focusing too much on the pro show and failing to promote the NPC portion

Change those things moving forward and this show could become an annual event, no question!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2007, 10:18:04 PM

A I see it, Shawn will answer the question on the radio show Monday evening.


Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 15, 2007, 11:05:13 AM
*bump* for my buddy Shawn!  :D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 15, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
please say it here because i will not be wasting 50 minutes waiting to here what we already know.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: dearth on October 15, 2007, 02:46:25 PM
A I see it, Shawn will answer the question on the radio show Monday evening.




As I see it, the question was already answered by you.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 17, 2007, 04:45:13 PM
*bump* for the 2008 Colorado Pro!  ;D






Shawn!  is Blechman sponsoring it now?  Will the announcement still be on PBW? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 17, 2007, 04:59:24 PM
*bump* for the 2008 Colorado Pro!  ;D






Shawn!  is Blechman sponsoring it now?  Will the announcement still be on PBW? ;D ;D

that is a loser location no matter who sinks dough into it
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 17, 2007, 05:00:58 PM
that is a loser location no matter who sinks dough into it

How could you say that about Shawn's highly successful and uber-profitable show?  >:(
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Riddick on October 17, 2007, 05:24:08 PM
Oh Shawn, you're so full of shit! a year or two ago, you were talkin' all this SMACK about how the CO Pro was here to stay and that it's only getting 'bigger & better'. Now, just barely past it's 2nd year, the show is GONE!

It's about time VyoTech woke up!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 17, 2007, 05:34:58 PM

At least we had a pro show in Denver, and they tried it out.  I was quite happy to go to Denver for the show, it is a beautiful city, and the sights around there were cool! If you don't try, you don't succeed.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Lift Studios on October 17, 2007, 05:38:05 PM
Strongly disagree.

They've got a very loyal NPC athlete and fanbase in Colorado.  On top of that, Denver is a beautiful travel destination and a great place to spend a weekend...very clean and family-friendly with excellent restaurants and plenty of arts and culture. 

As I saw it, the major mistakes in year 1 (I missed this year's) were as follows:

1) Selecting a far too expensive venue
2) Awarding way too much prize money
3) Focusing too much on the pro show and failing to promote the NPC portion

Change those things moving forward and this show could become an annual event, no question!
Tre you are correct. There is a very big NPC following here and a number of great pros and top NPC athletes.  Denver is a great city and everyone will be reminded of it next week during the World Series.

• The venue is huge - the Olympia could be held there as well as more than enough expo space. There were efforts to find other places but they would not be downtown, which helped add to the atmosphere of the event.

• Agreed on the prize money - it didn't bring out any more or better competitors because of it.

• The NPC portion was promoted well locally but it also hurt the numbers for some of our other shows. Many competitors wanted to compete in it because of all the press in town.

I will let Shawn speak on his event and its future.

 8)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 17, 2007, 09:11:10 PM
Tre you are correct. There is a very big NPC following here and a number of great pros and top NPC athletes.  Denver is a great city and everyone will be reminded of it next week during the World Series.

• The venue is huge - the Olympia could be held there as well as more than enough expo space. There were efforts to find other places but they would not be downtown, which helped add to the atmosphere of the event.

• Agreed on the prize money - it didn't bring out any more or better competitors because of it.

• The NPC portion was promoted well locally but it also hurt the numbers for some of our other shows. Many competitors wanted to compete in it because of all the press in town.

I will let Shawn speak on his event and its future.

 8)
oh brother dont tell me baseball fans are pro bodybuilding fans  PLEASE dont say that
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Lift Studios on October 17, 2007, 09:33:43 PM
oh brother dont tell me baseball fans are pro bodybuilding fans  PLEASE dont say that
Moron. Many bodybuilding fans are baseball fans. I was talking about Denver, as a city, being a great place for an event.

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 17, 2007, 09:35:23 PM
dont start name calling because i'm better at it than u
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Chick on October 17, 2007, 09:53:38 PM
Not quite sure why people are on Shawn's ass on the Colo pro....whether it goes on or not isn't in his hands. It's a corp decision which will be made by the owners of Vyotech, which will consider all factors before making a decision. They have to be able to justify the expense and whether or not it's a viable option....

Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 17, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Not quite sure why people are on Shawn's ass on the Colo pro....whether it goes on or not isn't in his hands. It's a corp decision which will be made by the owners of Vyotech, which will consider all factors before making a decision. They have to be able to justify the expense and whether or not it's a viable option....


People want to see those words typed in a Sean Rey post. It's vindication....
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Chick on October 17, 2007, 10:00:58 PM
Vindication of WHAT exactly?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Azure on October 17, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
Not quite sure why people are on Shawn's ass on the Colo pro....whether it goes on or not isn't in his hands. It's a corp decision which will be made by the owners of Vyotech, which will consider all factors before making a decision. They have to be able to justify the expense and whether or not it's a viable option....



They won't have anything to talk about.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 17, 2007, 10:07:01 PM
Vindication of WHAT exactly?
  they personalize a business loss
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Chick on October 17, 2007, 10:11:27 PM
  they personalize a business loss

If it does come to be that the Colo Pro doesn't go on...it's not a business loss for Shawn, he did a fine job of promoting the competiion and putting out a show that was well done...there are other factors that are out of his control (or any promoters control) that dictate whether or not a show is a viable business move...
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 17, 2007, 10:17:59 PM
If it does come to be that the Colo Pro doesn't go on...it's not a business loss for Shawn, he did a fine job of promoting the competiion and putting out a show that was well done...there are other factors that are out of his control (or any promoters control) that dictate whether or not a show is a viable business move...
no matter how it happens  some in the peanut gallery will seize upon it as a personal failing and let him have it.  that's all i'm saying.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Livewire on October 17, 2007, 10:28:22 PM
Vindication of WHAT exactly?

Shawn Ray gloated over 'onlyme'.

He made fun of onlyme's show failing.  He bragged about his Colo Pro.

He even posted suicide gif's and told onlyme to take a trip, etc.

That's mean.  People want to see Shawn fail.  Now that he has failed, people are happy.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 18, 2007, 12:11:20 PM
Shawn Ray gloated over 'onlyme'.

He made fun of onlyme's show failing.  He bragged about his Colo Pro.


Exactly!


This is a perfect comeuppance for Shawn...  karma is indeed a bitch!  :D
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: HowieW on October 18, 2007, 03:20:46 PM
did you get paid 50 dollars for posting that?
;D LOL, It does look like I am a paid pundit for Shawn Ray, but, trust me, I am just a guy that really likes the Colorado Pro show as an event and enjoy going to it.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the ASC and the Olympia are great events. However, you hear soooooooo much about the Olympia, it starts to get old.
I enjoy seeing a good lineup of up new guys that may not be featured at the Olympia.Plus, the figure line up and NPC show was excellent and the Denver Wells Fargo Theatre is fantastic.

I am still waiting for the 2008 info when it is available.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Ron on October 18, 2007, 03:49:31 PM

People don't realize what it takes to put up a show. It isn't as easy at people think.
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: Tre on October 18, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
I am still waiting for the 2008 info when it is available.

Didn't Shawn imply that there would be an announcement concerning the show on PBW the other night?

Did that happen?
Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 18, 2007, 04:34:25 PM
Didn't Shawn imply that there would be an announcement concerning the show on PBW the other night?

Did that happen?


Conveniently, there was no PBW scheduled this week!  ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2007, 04:49:36 PM
People don't realize what it takes to put up a show. It isn't as easy at people think.
That's why people want to see Sean Rey fail and admit it. He ragged on onlyme and boosted his own ego(not really a Christian thing is it?), so people want to let him know how hypocritical he is.

Besides nobody really likes Sean anyways. :)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 18, 2007, 05:04:01 PM
That's why people want to see Sean Rey fail and admit it. He ragged on onlyme and boosted his own ego(not really a Christian thing is it?), so people want to let him know how hypocritical he is.

Besides nobody really likes Sean anyways. :)
Schadenfreude
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Schadenfreude
:-*


and yes, I looked it up. ;D
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: G o a t b o y on October 18, 2007, 06:16:47 PM
Schadenfreude


They should rename it "Shawn-freud" for accuracy.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: HowieW on October 18, 2007, 06:25:45 PM
The Colorado Pro show, both years, were very good shows. The problem is that the title sponsor Vyotech, pulled out of the 2007 Olympia earlier, and has not committed to too many shows for next year, except for a few. Vyotech products are still moving, and really have not slowed down much. The problem was that they spent a lot of money on advertising the Goat Whey product, which was delayed.

So they may not sponsor the Colorado Pro, which can be upwards for $50-80K, but perhaps sponsor a number of other shows, which is there strategy.  So there is a good chance that the Colorado Pro show, which had its run for 2 years, just won't happen.

As for Shawn, like it or not, he pushed hard to bring a quality show to Denver, Colorado. Right in the heart of downtown. And he used a great promoter and good guy, Jeff Taylor (the NPC Chairman of Colorado) to work with him. Among other people. It was well run, and fun.

As for Keith, you of all people know how hard it is to run a good show and expo. You should me commending Shawn for at least pushing hard for two years to make it a quality event.  Shawn is a 13 time Olympian top 5 competitor. That is a great streak.

You, also had a great career and run until your spider bite. So now, leaving in Vegas, you have no more excuses to get in shape. You told me you would. It would be the greatest story for the boards! But then again, I know how hard it is to motivate yourself sometimes, as we all have that problem.


I am sad to hear that news about the title sponser of the Col Pro. It really bummed me out when the GNC ended after 2 great shows here in Atlanta. I hope it goes however, and will be there if it does.
Howard
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: HowieW on October 18, 2007, 06:30:35 PM
     Ron I agree with your comments   and am shocked people would criticize Shawn on promoting a BRAND NEW show!  It's obviouse some of these guys on here never ever,  ever,ever,ever competed or dared to promote (even Co-Promote) a show . I respect Shawn as apromoter and one of the greatest bb'rs EVER!  I also congradulate you RON for a well ran chatline  that MAY need to be cleaned out a bit.   PS  Keep up the good work!!

I agree, what does any fan of this sport gain, if a pro event goes bust???!!!
I have not gone to recent Olympias as it is in the middle of the fall semester and is at bad time for me as a teacher.
granted I didn't go, but,I would be bummed out big time if the Olympia ever got the ax.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: HowieW on October 18, 2007, 06:32:20 PM
Lift PMed me last year telling me how right I was about Sean.  He was there to help Jeff Taylor.  I feel bad for Jeff.  I met him at the Olympia and he is a great guy.  Sorry he got mixed up with Sean though.  I hope nothing bad happened to him.  Weird how karma works.  I better watch out. ;D

Keith, why do wish ill for Shawn's show??? What do YOU gain if it is not a success? seriously ???
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: HowieW on October 18, 2007, 06:42:45 PM
If it does come to be that the Colo Pro doesn't go on...it's not a business loss for Shawn, he did a fine job of promoting the competiion and putting out a show that was well done...there are other factors that are out of his control (or any promoters control) that dictate whether or not a show is a viable business move...

EXACTLY! Other than being able to feel free to rag on Shawn, and acting like idiots, what do the fans get if the Col pro show fails? NOTHING, in fact we all lose when a pro event fails to make it for sponsers pulling out due to financial reasons.

Look, I love bodybuilding and want to sport to be a success for the top pros involved in it...nuff said ::)
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2007, 06:45:56 PM
EXACTLY! Other than being able to feel free to rag on Shawn, and acting like idiots, what do the fans get if the Col pro show fails? NOTHING, in fact we all lose when a pro event fails to make it for sponsers pulling out due to financial reasons.

Look, I love bodybuilding and want to sport to be a success for the top pros involved in it...nuff said ::)
It is too bad about the show, BUT since the show is failing.....we would like the opportunity to rag the shit out of the ever arrogant Sean Rey.


We get nothing out of the show failing except to fuck with Sean, maybe if it was someone different promoting the show and it failed, people wouldn't be reacting like this, but it is Sean rey and it is what it is.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 18, 2007, 06:50:48 PM

They should rename it "Shawn-freud" for accuracy.

ya ya    :)  that's german too!
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Tre on October 18, 2007, 07:26:11 PM

They should rename it "Shawn-freud" for accuracy.

I like Shawn, but this one definitely qualifies for *instant classic* status.

Well done.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: sgt. d on October 18, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
HowieW people are going to think you are Shawn because you enjoyed the show ::) They will call you a guy just like they did with me. These tools act like Shawn did something bad to them offline.
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2007, 08:29:48 PM
HowieW people are going to think you are Shawn because you enjoyed the show ::) They will call you a guy just like they did with me. These tools act like Shawn did something bad to them offline.
How do you know that he didn't?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: sgt. d on October 18, 2007, 08:32:23 PM
How do you know that he didn't?

So what did he do to you?
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: chaos on October 18, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
So what did he do to you?
I can't say, it's too embarrassing :-[
Title: Re: Shawn! 2008 Colorado Pro? Any idea yet?
Post by: Azure on October 18, 2007, 09:34:00 PM
It comes down to one simple fact: People don't like Shawn.  Point Blank.  So any chance they get to cheer on his failures, they will do so.

They didn't like him when he was competing, they didn't like him when he retired, and they probably never will.

Anything that is seen as a failure for him is cause for celebration.  I bet a lot of the people who are ragging on his promoting skills never went to the Colorado Pro or even heard about it.  They just wanted to bash Shawn.

I'm not his biggest fan, but I think what he did was admirable.  At least he tried to affect change in bodybuilding by promoting a show.

Title: Re: Hey Shawn, 2008 Colorado Pro?
Post by: photographer on October 18, 2007, 11:36:02 PM
;D LOL, It does look like I am a paid pundit for Shawn Ray, but, trust me, I am just a guy that really likes the Colorado Pro show as an event and enjoy going to it.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the ASC and the Olympia are great events. However, you hear soooooooo much about the Olympia, it starts to get old.
I enjoy seeing a good lineup of up new guys that may not be featured at the Olympia.Plus, the figure line up and NPC show was excellent and the Denver Wells Fargo Theatre is fantastic.

I am still waiting for the 2008 info when it is available.

The 2008 Calendar of Events for the IFBB Professional League has been up on the IFBB Pro website since Tuesday, I believe.  Here's the link to the webpage, and the information as of tonight.

http://www.ifbbpro.com/events/2008-calendar-of-events/