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The Top 5 Supplements to Gain Muscle Mass
1. Fish Oil
What? Fish oil? That is not cool, avant-garde, sexy, or exotic. Fish oil?
Yes. Fish oil. You cannot be anabolic without enough Omega 3s. For example, I was once training a first-round pick for the NFL. He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day. If you want to put muscle on and lose fat, take at least 30 grams of fish oil a day.
Additional reasons for using fish oil include:
* It reduces inflammation.
* It improves insulin sensitivity: makes glucose and amino acids get better in your starved muscle cells.
Taking fish oil in a liquid form is the most economical way of doing it. But taking them every meal works best. I always recommend a combination of liquid and capsules - Liquid for home meals, and capsules for away from home meals.
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Isn't this kinda dangerous advice? All the skinnies will now drink gallons of fish oil per week to get jacked. ;D
This is from T-Nation right? ;D I once read in one of their articles that powerlifters gained too much muscle mass on some supplements. :D But people will believe it...
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The Top 5 Supplements to Gain Muscle Mass
1. Fish Oil
What? Fish oil? That is not cool, avant-garde, sexy, or exotic. Fish oil?
Yes. Fish oil. You cannot be anabolic without enough Omega 3s. For example, I was once training a first-round pick for the NFL. He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day. If you want to put muscle on and lose fat, take at least 30 grams of fish oil a day.
Additional reasons for using fish oil include:
* It reduces inflammation.
* It improves insulin sensitivity: makes glucose and amino acids get better in your starved muscle cells.
Taking fish oil in a liquid form is the most economical way of doing it. But taking them every meal works best. I always recommend a combination of liquid and capsules - Liquid for home meals, and capsules for away from home meals.
i feel i can only get maximal energy from beer and alcohol
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Isn't this kinda dangerous advice? All the skinnies will now drink gallons of fish oil per week to get jacked. ;D
This is from T-Nation right? ;D I once read in one of their articles that powerlifters gained too much muscle mass on some supplements. :D But people will believe it...
well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot. That can lead to some serious damage.
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well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot. That can lead to some serious damage.
do you mean 5000 grams?
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well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot. That can lead to some serious damage.
Brain hemmorrhage for example...
everything in moderation-- at least that's what I heard.
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Brain hemmorrhage for example...
everything in moderation-- at least that's what I heard.
that never works
people with master physiques get there by way of a master plan and its probably not moderation if one is seeking athleticism and muscular rippednesss
however one can attain the rippedness without athleticism aka ( can derive high energy any time)
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I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.
I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?
Just throwing it out there for discussion.
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that never works
people with master physiques get there by way of a master plan and its probably not moderation if one is seeking athleticism and muscular rippednesss
however one can attain the rippedness without athleticism aka ( can derive high energy any time)
please just stop talking
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Here's what Micheal Mentzer thinks of Mr.Poliquin. Skip to 3.46.
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Here's what Micheal Mentzer thinks of Mr.Poliquin. Skip to 3.46.
well i listened for a minute or two from that point onwards and didn't see him answer the query in any way. Mentzer is so full of shit its not funny.
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please just stop talking
no fuking kidding
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well i listened for a minute or two from that point onwards and didn't see him answer the query in any way. Mentzer is so full of shit its not funny.
Listen to the whole 7 or so parts, the guy is far from "full of shit". I think all he was trying to do was give you real life evidence via a testimonial from a client that disproved the people that claim HIT doesn't work well or at all.
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I quit listing or reading what Poliquin had to say years ago, "29lbs of lean muscle" my ass!! How bout listing the other "suppliments" that went with that!
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I quit listing or reading what Poliquin had to say years ago, "29lbs of lean muscle" my ass!! How bout listing the other "suppliments" that went with that!
Ha, if anything 45 grams of fish oil would inhibit muscle gains with all that anti inflammatory goodness!
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Listen to the whole 7 or so parts, the guy is far from "full of shit". I think all he was trying to do was give you real life evidence via a testimonial from a client that disproved the people that claim HIT doesn't work well or at all.
Anectodal evidence is just that... anecdotal evidence. The guy he provided as an example was admittedly overtrained, then cut back his training. Well, guess what... he started to grow once he stopped overtraining. Who is to say the gains are attributable to HIT?
Anyway, thats just one example and doesn't disprove HIT. I just haven't come across scientific evidence that suggests that HIT training works. The overwhelmning majority of bodybuilders do high volume training, and it seems to work pretty well.
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Anectodal evidence is just that... anecdotal evidence. The guy he provided as an example was admittedly overtrained, then cut back his training. Well, guess what... he started to grow once he stopped overtraining. Who is to say the gains are attributable to HIT?
Anyway, thats just one example and doesn't disprove HIT. I just haven't come across scientific evidence that suggests that HIT training works. The overwhelmning majority of bodybuilders do high volume training, and it seems to work pretty well.
High volume will work for drug users no doubt but not so much for naturals. There is evidence for both HIT and high volume, I think Mike was trying to point out the fact that this guy was not only failing to improve, but was plagued by general bad health due to overtraining. I know it works, I followed high volume for two years from the ages of 17-19 and failed to gain strength or size. In fact I stopped at 128 lbs lean for the best part of a year training 3 days a week with high volume on each bodypart. Cut my training back to a HIT style routine once a week and now lean out 40 pounds heavier just 2 and a half or so years later.
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He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day.
malarkey
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I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.
I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?
Just throwing it out there for discussion.
Christian Thibodeau is one of the best trainer in the world !
super knowledgeable and super cool guy
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High volume will work for drug users no doubt but not so much for naturals.
No offense here, but this isn't true. Most recreational natural bodybuilders do not use low volume and grow just fine for the most part (given consistency in training and diet).
There is evidence for both HIT and high volume, I think Mike was trying to point out the fact that this guy was not only failing to improve, but was plagued by general bad health due to overtraining.
This may be true, but what were the causes of his overtraining? Training parameters don't just include volume, but also frequency, intensity, etc.
I know it works, I followed high volume for two years from the ages of 17-19 and failed to gain strength or size. In fact I stopped at 128 lbs lean for the best part of a year training 3 days a week with high volume on each bodypart. Cut my training back to a HIT style routine once a week and now lean out 40 pounds heavier just 2 and a half or so years later.
you made great gains no doubt about it, the style of training obviously worked for you. Ever tried different routines? There's HST, Max-ot, GVT, and other routines that some of these professional trainers like Poliquin put out there..
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Christian Thibodeau is one of the best trainer in the world !
super knowledgeable and super cool guy
you're quite knowledgeable and super cool yourself stud
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45 grams= 3tbsp
45g/day x 9cal/g= 405ca/day x 7 days=2835cals/week on top of regular eating. that is a lot of calories.
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I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.
I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?
Just throwing it out there for discussion.
Bill Starr was a big believer in biorhythms controlling performance, I do put some stock in it the older I get- http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/biorhythms-bill-starr.html .
As for Poliquin, the older stuff is awesome, but now you've really got to pick and chose. Guys that has seen him train his real clients, mention that it is very basic, not like his newest stuff. I think he's at the point that he writes some of this stuff just to remain in the public eye. After all, there's only so mush you can write about getting bigger, faster, stronger, or leaner without repeating yourself. Probably gets a kick out of making people believe this stuff also.
Here's a gem from him-
When you get bit by a brown recluse, you get necrotic fasciaitis, so people who get bit in the nose can lose their nose, people who get bit in the arm can lose their arm, etc, so by doing the super-high dose of Vitamin C—I was getting 180 grams twice a day–by IV, I was able to save my tissue.
However, interestingly, the guy told me that he had to monitor my blood sugar every 20 minutes. He said that such a high dose of Vitamin C has a considerable glycemic response, so I actually had to drink a gallon of grape juice while getting this Vitamin C treatment because my blood sugar levels were just falling,
However, after doing the Vitamin C, and despite ingesting so many carbs, I was actually leaner when I left the clinic!
Then I went on-line and found the research that intravenous Vitamin C changes insulin sensitivity, so I started experimenting on myself. I was at 6% body fat when I started to do 180 grams of Vitamin C twice a week for a month, and I got down to 2.8% body fat without changing anything else. I asked the doctors on my staff to start using the procedure on my athletes and we figured out that in 4 weeks, we could get body composition changes in 4 weeks that we normally get in 10 weeks.
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BB, can you provide a link to this or any studie that says this?
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None. It was one of those Poliquinisms that made me laugh and go WTF? :).
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I not going to bag on Milos, but if you take a looks at some of his outlandish so called "studies" you can see the correlation between Poliquin and himself. Milos somewhere said that Poliquin was his mentor.
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I not going to bag on Milos, but if you take a looks at some of his outlandish so called "studies" you can see the correlation between Poliquin and himself. Milos somewhere said that Poliquin was his mentor.
Maybe you misunderstood and Milos said Poliquin was "mental"
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Bill Starr was a big believer in biorhythms controlling performance, I do put some stock in it the older I get- http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/biorhythms-bill-starr.html .
As for Poliquin, the older stuff is awesome, but now you've really got to pick and chose. Guys that has seen him train his real clients, mention that it is very basic, not like his newest stuff. I think he's at the point that he writes some of this stuff just to remain in the public eye. After all, there's only so mush you can write about getting bigger, faster, stronger, or leaner without repeating yourself. Probably gets a kick out of making people believe this stuff also.
Here's a gem from him-
When you get bit by a brown recluse, you get necrotic fasciaitis, so people who get bit in the nose can lose their nose, people who get bit in the arm can lose their arm, etc, so by doing the super-high dose of Vitamin C—I was getting 180 grams twice a day–by IV, I was able to save my tissue.
However, interestingly, the guy told me that he had to monitor my blood sugar every 20 minutes. He said that such a high dose of Vitamin C has a considerable glycemic response, so I actually had to drink a gallon of grape juice while getting this Vitamin C treatment because my blood sugar levels were just falling,
However, after doing the Vitamin C, and despite ingesting so many carbs, I was actually leaner when I left the clinic!
Then I went on-line and found the research that intravenous Vitamin C changes insulin sensitivity, so I started experimenting on myself. I was at 6% body fat when I started to do 180 grams of Vitamin C twice a week for a month, and I got down to 2.8% body fat without changing anything else. I asked the doctors on my staff to start using the procedure on my athletes and we figured out that in 4 weeks, we could get body composition changes in 4 weeks that we normally get in 10 weeks.
Haha, 80% of readers were running for the toilet within 20 minutes!
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HIT vs volume is just a stupid debate. People will differ depending upon muscle mass/time training/strength but the body only needs a certain amount of exercises to break down the muscle so it can the recover and overcompensate (within a said time). Any more just means it will take you longer to recover and most people will train the muscle again before that recovery happening.
Mentzer helped by making people do less than Arnolds insane training way (or at least the way Weider said he trained), but he got carried away with too little needed in the end.
Didn't Polquin say he trained a sprinter who made Tom Platz's legs look skinny? ok....
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please just stop talking
LMAO
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Poliquin is Mr O if you go by what he says, yet there is not 1 published picture of his amazing physique
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do a goolge search and you will find lots of images of Poliquin.
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I loved his earlier teachings. Especially his books "The Poliquin Principles" and "Modern Trends In Strength Training."
But when his information is having 45g of fish oil and vats of Vit C, I'll choose someone else to go to for information. But the aforementioned books are GOLD in my library.
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do a goolge search and you will find lots of images of Poliquin.
no shirtless posing pics
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Tapeworm......it was a speedskater!
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Bill Starr was a big believer in biorhythms controlling performance, I do put some stock in it the older I get- http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/biorhythms-bill-starr.html .
As for Poliquin, the older stuff is awesome, but now you've really got to pick and chose. Guys that has seen him train his real clients, mention that it is very basic, not like his newest stuff. I think he's at the point that he writes some of this stuff just to remain in the public eye. After all, there's only so mush you can write about getting bigger, faster, stronger, or leaner without repeating yourself. Probably gets a kick out of making people believe this stuff also.
Here's a gem from him-
When you get bit by a brown recluse, you get necrotic fasciaitis, so people who get bit in the nose can lose their nose, people who get bit in the arm can lose their arm, etc, so by doing the super-high dose of Vitamin C—I was getting 180 grams twice a day–by IV, I was able to save my tissue.
However, interestingly, the guy told me that he had to monitor my blood sugar every 20 minutes. He said that such a high dose of Vitamin C has a considerable glycemic response, so I actually had to drink a gallon of grape juice while getting this Vitamin C treatment because my blood sugar levels were just falling,
However, after doing the Vitamin C, and despite ingesting so many carbs, I was actually leaner when I left the clinic!
Then I went on-line and found the research that intravenous Vitamin C changes insulin sensitivity, so I started experimenting on myself. I was at 6% body fat when I started to do 180 grams of Vitamin C twice a week for a month, and I got down to 2.8% body fat without changing anything else. I asked the doctors on my staff to start using the procedure on my athletes and we figured out that in 4 weeks, we could get body composition changes in 4 weeks that we normally get in 10 weeks.
what utter bullshit.
he should be shot for lying so blatantly.
i want to meet him so i can punch him in the nose >:(
i think he's been reading onlyme's posts
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Get you facts right, it was the sprinter who he made his legs look like Cutlers :)
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Tapeworm......it was a speedskater!
My chicken legs just needed fish oil and vitamin C all this time!
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45 grams= 3tbsp
45g/day x 9cal/g= 405ca/day x 7 days=2835cals/week on top of regular eating. that is a lot of calories.
2835 calories a week is alot of calories?
you must be a real monster, eh, 'big dub'?
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My chicken legs just needed fish oil and vitamin C all this time!
Better know your element type, or you'll never get diesel bro.
More Poliquin goodness-
"The elements are Fire, Wood, Earth, Metal, and the fifth element, despite what you might have learned in
the Bruce Willis movie of the same name, is not an orange-haired fashion model in Spandex; it is Water.
Amazingly, each of these ancient classifications predicts quite accurately how different strength athletes
respond to different types of training. It also predicts quite accurately their personalities and even their
weaknesses.
For years I have listened to people disparage this type of training or that type of training, saying that
whatever they were doing did not work for them. Some said that the Westside style is no good, or that
German Volume Training did not work for them. The simple truth is that they were likely doing the wrong
type of training for their type, or element!
For instance, Fire types are the most gifted as far as weight training. They tend to do a high volume of high
intensity work. I know, I know, a high volume of high intensity work would seem paradoxical to Mike
Mentzer and H.I.T. types, but it is possible for Fire types. They can train heavy all the time without crashing
—as long as you change the exercises. They have such a high concentration of high-twitch fibers that will
become winded playing Nintendo.
Conversely, Earth types can stay on a set program for a long time. You have to first stress them with
volume, and then stress them with intensity. Each phase is about 3 weeks. When they overtrain, their
immune system will suffer and they’ll come down with a cold. They are also the ones that have the most
trouble reducing carbohydrates in their diet, and it is much harder for them to get lean.
As far as the Fire, Wood and Earth types, none are necessarily disadvantaged when it comes to
bodybuilding or strength sports, but it is important for them to train for their type. Obviously, pure types are
not that common and most people fall somewhere in-between the five points of the continuum:
FIRE > WOOD > EARTH > METAL > WATER
You may have noticed that I have not paid much attention to the metal or water types. They are,
unfortunately, guys who generally will never make much progress. They have bad nervous systems, the
wrong muscle fibers, and poor endocrine systems. Usually, though, these guys end up being attracted to
non-weightlifting activities like yoga, or stamp collecting. "
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Christian Thibodeau is one of the best trainer in the world !
super knowledgeable and super cool guy
He may be a cool guy in person but judging from his written material he's a bold faced liar and associates with the T-Nation scam outfit. Thib says he can't take drugs because of his heart. Swears he's on zero drugs, that he's a complete natural in every way. A goddamned lie. He's on PLENTY of gear. :D
As far as Poliquin, it would be hard to top the amount of bullshit coming out of his mouth. He's most likely a very smart guy but the morals are lacking. :D
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Better know your element type, or you'll never get diesel bro.
More Poliquin goodness-
"The elements are Fire, Wood, Earth, Metal, and the fifth element, despite what you might have learned in
the Bruce Willis movie of the same name, is not an orange-haired fashion model in Spandex; it is Water.
Amazingly, each of these ancient classifications predicts quite accurately how different strength athletes
respond to different types of training. It also predicts quite accurately their personalities and even their
weaknesses.
For years I have listened to people disparage this type of training or that type of training, saying that
whatever they were doing did not work for them. Some said that the Westside style is no good, or that
German Volume Training did not work for them. The simple truth is that they were likely doing the wrong
type of training for their type, or element!
For instance, Fire types are the most gifted as far as weight training. They tend to do a high volume of high
intensity work. I know, I know, a high volume of high intensity work would seem paradoxical to Mike
Mentzer and H.I.T. types, but it is possible for Fire types. They can train heavy all the time without crashing
—as long as you change the exercises. They have such a high concentration of high-twitch fibers that will
become winded playing Nintendo.
Conversely, Earth types can stay on a set program for a long time. You have to first stress them with
volume, and then stress them with intensity. Each phase is about 3 weeks. When they overtrain, their
immune system will suffer and they’ll come down with a cold. They are also the ones that have the most
trouble reducing carbohydrates in their diet, and it is much harder for them to get lean.
As far as the Fire, Wood and Earth types, none are necessarily disadvantaged when it comes to
bodybuilding or strength sports, but it is important for them to train for their type. Obviously, pure types are
not that common and most people fall somewhere in-between the five points of the continuum:FIRE > WOOD > EARTH > METAL > WATER
You may have noticed that I have not paid much attention to the metal or water types. They are,
unfortunately, guys who generally will never make much progress. They have bad nervous systems, the
wrong muscle fibers, and poor endocrine systems. Usually, though, these guys end up being attracted to
non-weightlifting activities like yoga, or stamp collecting. "
True. I have a heart of wood, feet of clay, lead in my ass, the willpower of water, and great balls of fire. :D
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Charles Poliquin is a jerkoff.
what a surprise, he sells fish oil ;D
http://us.cpoliquin.com/Poliquin_Best_Sellers_s/13.htm
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HIT vs volume is just a stupid debate. People will differ depending upon muscle mass/time training/strength but the body only needs a certain amount of exercises to break down the muscle so it can the recover and overcompensate (within a said time). Any more just means it will take you longer to recover and most people will train the muscle again before that recovery happening.
Mentzer helped by making people do less than Arnolds insane training way (or at least the way Weider said he trained), but he got carried away with too little needed in the end.
Didn't Polquin say he trained a sprinter who made Tom Platz's legs look skinny? ok....
HIT isn't just doing less volume, but doing much slower reps as well. Ever do a set to failure with reps lasting 6-8 seconds? It is Intense.