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Charles Poliquin--What?
« on: October 25, 2009, 03:34:20 PM »
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1. Fish Oil

What? Fish oil? That is not cool, avant-garde, sexy, or exotic. Fish oil?

Yes. Fish oil. You cannot be anabolic without enough Omega 3s. For example, I was once training a first-round pick for the NFL. He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day. If you want to put muscle on and lose fat, take at least 30 grams of fish oil a day.

Additional reasons for using fish oil include:

    * It reduces inflammation.
    * It improves insulin sensitivity: makes glucose and amino acids get better in your starved muscle cells.

Taking fish oil in a liquid form is the most economical way of doing it. But taking them every meal works best.  I always recommend a combination of liquid and capsules - Liquid for home meals, and capsules for away from home meals.

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 03:51:56 PM »
Isn't this kinda dangerous advice? All the skinnies will now drink gallons of fish oil per week to get jacked.  ;D

This is from T-Nation right?  ;D I once read in one of their articles that powerlifters gained too much muscle mass on some supplements.  :D But people will believe it...

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 03:55:00 PM »
The Top 5 Supplements to Gain Muscle Mass

1. Fish Oil

What? Fish oil? That is not cool, avant-garde, sexy, or exotic. Fish oil?

Yes. Fish oil. You cannot be anabolic without enough Omega 3s. For example, I was once training a first-round pick for the NFL. He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day. If you want to put muscle on and lose fat, take at least 30 grams of fish oil a day.

Additional reasons for using fish oil include:

    * It reduces inflammation.
    * It improves insulin sensitivity: makes glucose and amino acids get better in your starved muscle cells.

Taking fish oil in a liquid form is the most economical way of doing it. But taking them every meal works best.  I always recommend a combination of liquid and capsules - Liquid for home meals, and capsules for away from home meals.

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 03:56:23 PM »
Isn't this kinda dangerous advice? All the skinnies will now drink gallons of fish oil per week to get jacked.  ;D

This is from T-Nation right?  ;D I once read in one of their articles that powerlifters gained too much muscle mass on some supplements.  :D But people will believe it...

well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot.  That can lead to some serious damage.

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 04:18:15 PM »
well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot.  That can lead to some serious damage.

do you mean 5000 grams?
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 04:23:16 PM »
well the biggest issues are over 5000per day can lead to blood thinning and inability of blod to clot.  That can lead to some serious damage.


Brain hemmorrhage for example...


everything in moderation-- at least that's what I heard.

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 04:33:25 PM »

Brain hemmorrhage for example...


everything in moderation-- at least that's what I heard.

that never works

people with master physiques get there by way of a master plan and its probably not moderation if one is seeking athleticism and muscular rippednesss

however one can attain the rippedness without athleticism aka ( can derive high energy any time)
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 04:40:08 PM »
I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.

I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?

Just throwing it out there for discussion.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 04:40:16 PM »
that never works

people with master physiques get there by way of a master plan and its probably not moderation if one is seeking athleticism and muscular rippednesss

however one can attain the rippedness without athleticism aka ( can derive high energy any time)


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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 04:40:32 PM »


Here's what Micheal Mentzer thinks of Mr.Poliquin. Skip to 3.46.

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 04:44:05 PM »


Here's what Micheal Mentzer thinks of Mr.Poliquin. Skip to 3.46.
well i listened for a minute or two from that point onwards and didn't see him answer the query in any way. Mentzer is so full of shit its not funny.
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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 04:48:48 PM »

please just stop talking

no fuking kidding

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 04:49:32 PM »
well i listened for a minute or two from that point onwards and didn't see him answer the query in any way. Mentzer is so full of shit its not funny.

Listen to the whole 7 or so parts, the guy is far from "full of shit". I think all he was trying to do was give you real life evidence via a testimonial from a client that disproved the people that claim HIT doesn't work well or at all.

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 04:52:32 PM »
I quit listing or reading what Poliquin had to say years ago, "29lbs of lean muscle" my ass!! How bout listing the other "suppliments" that went with that!

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 04:55:37 PM »
I quit listing or reading what Poliquin had to say years ago, "29lbs of lean muscle" my ass!! How bout listing the other "suppliments" that went with that!

Ha, if anything 45 grams of fish oil would inhibit muscle gains with all that anti inflammatory goodness!

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 04:58:41 PM »
Listen to the whole 7 or so parts, the guy is far from "full of shit". I think all he was trying to do was give you real life evidence via a testimonial from a client that disproved the people that claim HIT doesn't work well or at all.
Anectodal evidence is just that... anecdotal evidence. The guy he provided as an example was admittedly overtrained, then cut back his training. Well, guess what... he started to grow once he stopped overtraining. Who is to say the gains are attributable to HIT?

Anyway, thats just one example and doesn't disprove HIT. I just haven't come across scientific evidence that suggests that HIT training works. The overwhelmning majority of bodybuilders do high volume training, and it seems to work pretty well.
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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 05:09:38 PM »
Anectodal evidence is just that... anecdotal evidence. The guy he provided as an example was admittedly overtrained, then cut back his training. Well, guess what... he started to grow once he stopped overtraining. Who is to say the gains are attributable to HIT?

Anyway, thats just one example and doesn't disprove HIT. I just haven't come across scientific evidence that suggests that HIT training works. The overwhelmning majority of bodybuilders do high volume training, and it seems to work pretty well.

High volume will work for drug users no doubt but not so much for naturals. There is evidence for both HIT and high volume, I think Mike was trying to point out the fact that this guy was not only failing to improve, but was plagued by general bad health due to overtraining. I know it works, I followed high volume for two years from the ages of 17-19 and failed to gain strength or size. In fact I stopped at 128 lbs lean for the best part of a year training 3 days a week with high volume on each bodypart. Cut my training back to a HIT style routine once a week and now lean out 40 pounds heavier just 2 and a half or so  years later.

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 05:46:35 PM »
He put on 29 lbs of lean body mass in one month once I jacked his fish oil intake to 45 grams a day.

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 05:54:30 PM »
I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.

I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?

Just throwing it out there for discussion.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2009, 06:15:52 PM »
High volume will work for drug users no doubt but not so much for naturals.
No offense here, but this isn't true. Most recreational natural bodybuilders do not use low volume and grow just fine for the most part (given consistency in training and diet).
 
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There is evidence for both HIT and high volume, I think Mike was trying to point out the fact that this guy was not only failing to improve, but was plagued by general bad health due to overtraining.
This may be true, but what were the causes of his overtraining? Training parameters don't just include volume, but also frequency, intensity, etc.

 
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I know it works, I followed high volume for two years from the ages of 17-19 and failed to gain strength or size. In fact I stopped at 128 lbs lean for the best part of a year training 3 days a week with high volume on each bodypart. Cut my training back to a HIT style routine once a week and now lean out 40 pounds heavier just 2 and a half or so  years later.
you made great gains no doubt about it, the style of training obviously worked for you. Ever tried different routines? There's HST, Max-ot, GVT, and other routines that some of these professional trainers like Poliquin put out there..
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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2009, 06:16:34 PM »
Christian Thibodeau is one of the best trainer in the world !

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you're quite knowledgeable and super cool yourself stud
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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2009, 06:40:14 PM »
45 grams= 3tbsp

45g/day x 9cal/g= 405ca/day x 7 days=2835cals/week on top of regular eating. that is a lot of calories.

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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2009, 08:45:30 PM »
I don't get his weird claims some times- other than that the guy has some valuable tips to share.

I remember a t-nation article by Christian Thibidaue(sp?) where he talks about growth spurts whether it comes to strength training or bodybuilding. For example being stuck on bench for a few weeks or a month then adding 10-20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. I wonder if hypertrophic gains are made the same way, i.e. not in a gradual linear fashion but in rapid growth spurts, even if it is not to the degree that Poliquin claims?

Just throwing it out there for discussion.

Bill Starr was a big believer in biorhythms controlling performance, I do put some stock in it the older I get- http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/03/biorhythms-bill-starr.html .

As for Poliquin, the older stuff is awesome, but now you've really got to pick and chose. Guys that has seen him train his real clients, mention that it is very basic, not like his newest stuff. I think he's at the point that he writes some of this stuff just to remain in the public eye. After all, there's only so mush you can write about getting bigger, faster, stronger, or leaner without repeating yourself. Probably gets a kick out of making  people believe this stuff also.

Here's a gem from him-

When you get bit by a brown recluse, you get necrotic fasciaitis, so people who get bit in the nose can lose their nose, people who get bit in the arm can lose their arm, etc, so by doing the super-high dose of Vitamin C—I was getting 180 grams twice a day–by IV, I was able to save my tissue.

However, interestingly, the guy told me that he had to monitor my blood sugar every 20 minutes. He said that such a high dose of Vitamin C has a considerable glycemic response, so I actually had to drink a gallon of grape juice while getting this Vitamin C treatment because my blood sugar levels were just falling,

However, after doing the Vitamin C, and despite ingesting so many carbs, I was actually leaner when I left the clinic!

Then I went on-line and found the research that intravenous Vitamin C changes insulin sensitivity, so I started experimenting on myself. I was at 6% body fat when I started to do 180 grams of Vitamin C twice a week for a month, and I got down to 2.8% body fat without changing anything else. I asked the doctors on my staff to start using the procedure on my athletes and we figured out that in 4 weeks, we could get body composition changes in 4 weeks that we normally get in 10 weeks.






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Re: Charles Poliquin--What?
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2009, 08:49:57 PM »
BB, can you provide a link to this or any studie that says this?

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2009, 09:03:29 PM »
None. It was one of those Poliquinisms that made me laugh and go WTF? :).