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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2010, 06:56:35 AM »
So prove it empirically. Right here. Right now.
Agreed!  Where is this "fact"?   ;D

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2010, 06:56:50 AM »
So prove it empirically. Right here. Right now.



Wessels.  QED.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2010, 06:59:18 AM »
Wessels.  QED.
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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #103 on: April 28, 2010, 07:15:25 AM »
Nobody apart from Noah and his posse had a boat? Just sayin'. :P
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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #104 on: April 28, 2010, 07:18:49 AM »
Agreed!  Where is this "fact"?   ;D

The fact that cultures, past and present, cite a global flood, destroying life on Earth?

Hmmm......



Some 270 flood stores have been recorded around the world. The literature discussing them is abundant. Their geographical distribution is not uniform, but is generally worldwide. They are most common in Asia, islands south of Asia, and the New World, being found from Tierra del Fuego to north of the Arctic Circle. They are more rare in Africa and Europe. Specific localities where they are especially noted include Egypt, Greece, Persia, Syria, Italy, Wales, Scandinavia, Russia, India, China, Mexico, Indonesia, New Guinea, Melanesia, Polynesia, Micronesia and Australia. Many scholars testify to the fact that accounts of a deluge are essentially coexistent with nearly all of the human family. What is more significant is their unusual abundance. Even those who do not believe in a worldwide deluge acknowledge this....

Stith Thompson has compiled and organized motifs in folk literature into a monumental five-volume treatise. This listing includes some 33,000 specific motifs, all of which have referenced accounts. The literature dealing with past world calamities shows a definite preponderance of comment concerning the deluge, both in terms of motifs and references. The number of references for specific causes of past world calamities in Thompson's Index is as follows: deluge 122, fire 19, continuous winter 6, large stones 2, misc. 4. It is noteworthy that common causes of calamities such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, pestilence, and drought are not listed. This also testifies to the remarkable commonness of flood traditions which have been present from the time of man's earliest writing to the present. One could hardly expect that accounts of major catastrophes from all over the world would be so selective of one theme of catastrophe if it had not been based on an actual worldwide event. This dominance strains the proposal that these accounts arose locally.
  
Whether one is a flood geologist, a no-flood geologist, or otherwise, the flood cannot be readily discarded as an incidental historical event. Furthermore, questions concerning this event are the bases of much of the controversy between creation and evolution. Creationists use this event to explain much of the data for which mainstream geologists propose geologic time and evolutionary trends in fossils. It turns out that this event has rather impressive non-biblical authentication. Any system of explanation for origins can ill afford to deny the deluge.


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #105 on: April 28, 2010, 07:21:30 AM »
there was a period in remote history (like 10-11,000BC if i remember correctly) during which there was a significant rise in sea level and a great many coastal areas which probably did maintain civilizations were completely flooded....there are tons of underwater ruins around the world from india, japan, europe, lesser known ones in the caribbean region, etc...it was the memory of this event  which was seared in the memory of humankind and passed down through the generations as the 'great flood' story (noahs ark was just one of the many)


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #106 on: April 28, 2010, 07:23:33 AM »
Nobody apart from Noah and his posse had a boat? Just sayin'. :P

A mere boat doesn't save you from a major flood. Just sayin'.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #107 on: April 28, 2010, 07:24:59 AM »
Nowhere is the claim made that all the animals in the world were on one boat in a few days.
Which would mean that the theory of evolution would have to exist because according to most christians, animals can't "turn" into another species. So if only a few animals were on board, where did all the other species of animals come from if apparently all were killed.


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Interestingly enough, the ancient Chinese word for "boat" is comprised of three characters that literally translate as "eight-mouth-vessel" (with "mouth", meaning a mouth to feed).
So is the Chinese story right or the christian story? Was Noah chinese?

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« Reply #108 on: April 28, 2010, 07:27:39 AM »
there was a period in remote history (like 10-11,000BC if i remember correctly) during which there was a significant rise in sea level and a great many coastal areas which probably did maintain civilizations were completely flooded....there are tons of underwater ruins around the world from india, japan, europe, lesser known ones in the caribbean region, etc...it was the memory of this event  which was seared in the memory of humankind and passed down through the generations as the 'great flood' story (noahs ark was just one of the many)



And in how many of those are the would-be survivors of this Deluge (which they knew was coming in advance) instructed to build a structure to store themselves and certain amount of animals to survive this?


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #109 on: April 28, 2010, 07:28:41 AM »
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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #110 on: April 28, 2010, 07:31:36 AM »
Nucleee-er. Vere are dey?
I dont understand.

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« Reply #111 on: April 28, 2010, 07:31:43 AM »
Which would mean that the theory of evolution would have to exist because according to most christians, animals can't "turn" into another species. So if only a few animals were on board, where did all the other species of animals come from if apparently all were killed.

Say that again!! I don't recall "most Christians" making such a claim. As was mentioned earlier, the term, "species" isn't used in Scripture at all. What Christians claim is that creatures reproduce after their own kinds. In other words, birds come from.....BIRDS, not dogs, cats, or fish.



So is the Chinese story right or the christian story? Was Noah chinese?

The Chinese would have come from Noah's descendants.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #112 on: April 28, 2010, 07:32:46 AM »
The fact that cultures, past and present, cite a global flood, destroying life on Earth?

Hmmm......
Meh. You've cut-and-pasted an article that suggests that localized flooding has happened in areas around the world over time. That's it.  ;)

/and anecdotal 

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« Reply #113 on: April 28, 2010, 07:33:25 AM »
lol@ getting your data from a christian apologist site.

Try here instead http://www.archaeological.org/

Do these cultures have such flood accounts or don't they? If they do, you "lol" is quite pointless, as my statement stands.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #114 on: April 28, 2010, 07:35:48 AM »
Meh. You've cut-and-pasted an article that suggests that localized flooding has happened in areas around the world over time. That's it.  ;)

/and anecdotal  

Who escapes localized flooding by building a structure, gathering animals, and floating it out, instead of heading for higher ground?

Floods tend to be instantaneous, hardly allowing for enough time to build anything, even remotetly close to the size of the Ark, to survive it.

And, it appears you missed the following, from Roth:

It is noteworthy that common causes of calamities such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, pestilence, and drought are not listed. This also testifies to the remarkable commonness of flood traditions which have been present from the time of man's earliest writing to the present. One could hardly expect that accounts of major catastrophes from all over the world would be so selective of one theme of catastrophe if it had not been based on an actual worldwide event. This dominance strains the proposal that these accounts arose locally.

And from Peet:

For there are many descriptions of the remarkable event [referring to the Genesis Flood]. Some of these have come from Greek historians, some from the Babylonian records; others from the cuneiform tablets, and still others from the mythology and traditions of different nations, so that we may say that no event has occurred either in ancient or modern times about which there is better evidence or more numerous records, than this very one which is so beautifully but briefly described in the sacred Scriptures. It is one of the events which seems to be familiar to the most distant nations—in Australia, in India, in China, in Scandinavia, and in the various parts of America.

It is true that many look upon the story as it is repeated in these distant regions, as either referring to local floods, or as the result of contact with civilized people, who have brought it from historic countries, and yet the similarity of the story is such as to make even this explanation unsatisfactory.


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #115 on: April 28, 2010, 07:37:39 AM »
And in how many of those are the would-be survivors of this Deluge (which they knew was coming in advance) instructed to build a structure to store themselves and certain amount of animals to survive this?



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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #116 on: April 28, 2010, 07:43:31 AM »
Say that again!! I don't recall "most Christians" making such a claim. As was mentioned earlier, the term, "species" isn't used in Scripture at all. What Christians claim is that creatures reproduce after their own kinds. In other words, birds come from.....BIRDS, not dogs, cats, or fish.
Pandas aren't found anywhere in the world (besides zoos) except China. Same with Koalas in Australia. Now unless the ark passed by these places and picked them up, and later deposited them back in China and Australia, since most would agree that a koala swimming to Australia from Mt. Ararat isn't a likely scenario, evolution is a more likely to have happened.


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The Chinese would have come from Noah's descendants.
Lol, right. If that's the case then you're also saying that blacks came from Noah's children, as well as indians, etc. Nice story though.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #117 on: April 28, 2010, 07:45:38 AM »
Do these cultures have such flood accounts or don't they? If they do, you "lol" is quite pointless, as my statement stands.

As the monkey doc says...it's anecdotal, it's heresay

Find some empirical evidence of a world wide flood around the suggested time period, provide your evidence to the scientific community to be reviewed and tested and then people may be more willing to accept the Noah story.

lol  
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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #118 on: April 28, 2010, 07:46:20 AM »
 Noah's Ark is one of the most outrageous and ridiculous stories in the Bible.

 Anyone who believes this story needs to have their head checked.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #119 on: April 28, 2010, 07:47:49 AM »
Noah's Ark is one of the most outrageous and ridiculous stories in the Bible.

 Anyone who believes this story needs to have their head checked.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2010, 07:49:31 AM »
Pandas aren't found anywhere in the world (besides zoos) except China. Same with Koalas in Australia. Now unless the ark passed by these places and picked them up, and later deposited them back in China and Australia, since most would agree that a koala swimming to Australia from Mt. Ararat isn't a likely scenario, evolution is a more likely to have happened.

You make two rather strange assumptions:

One, that the Earth's geographical makeup then is exactly as it is now.

Two, that the Flood was cause solely by rainfall, which is clearly not the case, according to Scripture.


Lol, right. If that's the case then you're also saying that blacks came from Noah's children, as well as indians, etc. Nice story though.

And, this is a problem because.....


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #121 on: April 28, 2010, 07:49:48 AM »
Noah's Ark is one of the most outrageous and ridiculous stories in the Bible.

 Anyone who believes this story needs to have their head checked.
D'oh. Well, I still hope that somewhere, somehow someone can turn water into wine. I have to believe in that one.  

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #122 on: April 28, 2010, 07:55:17 AM »
As the monkey doc says...it's anecdotal, it's heresay

Find some empirical evidence of a world wide flood around the suggested time period, provide your evidence to the scientific community to be reviewed and tested and then people may be more willing to accept the Noah story.

lol  


People already accept the "Noah story" and, as stated earlier, various cultures worldwide cite a global Flood.




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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2010, 08:01:53 AM »
You make two rather strange assumptions:

One, that the Earth's geographical makeup then is exactly as it is now.

Two, that the Flood was cause solely by rainfall, which is clearly not the case, according to Scripture.

And, this is a problem because.....



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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #124 on: April 28, 2010, 08:09:29 AM »
anyone who takes the fictional bible book seriously is a complete and utter retard. that is all.