Can Ron Paul Win?

[Coach is Back!]

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/15/can-ron-paul-win/

[Dos Equis]

No.

[Straw Man]

No.

Agreed

No chance

[polychronopolous]

Probably not but He's currently tied with Romney in Iowa and his anti-Gingrich ads seem to be having some effect. Some analysts are saying he has a good shot to take Iowa. At the very least he could make it moderately interesting.

[Soul Crusher]

 

[Hugo Chavez]

Ron Paul can win.  He has a better chance to win against Obama than Newt.  Newt will force people to vote Obama who don't want to.  Obama would lose some of his base to Paul after Obama has stabbed them in the back so many times.

[Straw Man]

To clarify I think he has a slim chance to win the nomination and no chance to beat Obama

[Soul Crusher]

To clarify I think he has a slim chance to win the nomination and no chance to beat Obama

LOL.  Keep telling yourself that.   

Remember in the perfect storm of obamamania and the worst gop nominee ever bama won by only 5 points.   

All RP or anyone else has to do is move the needle 3 points ansd obama goes back to Kenya.  Between obamas disastrous record, obama fatigue, novelty of first black potus gone, young people weary of his debt slavery, etc, that is good for well over 5 points in the other direction.   

[Straw Man]

LOL.  Keep telling yourself that.   

Remember in the perfect storm of obamamania and the worst gop nominee ever bama won by only 5 points.   

All RP or anyone else has to do is move the needle 3 points ansd obama goes back to Kenya.  Between obamas disastrous record, obama fatigue, novelty of first black potus gone, young people weary of his debt slavery, etc, that is good for well over 5 points in the other direction.   

and you can keep telling yourself that obama was born in Kenya, is secret communist trying to collapse the nation and .... that he will drop out before the election

[Soul Crusher]

and you can keep telling yourself that obama was born in Kenya, is secret communist trying to collapse the nation and .... that he will drop out before the election

After his speech in Kansas - its not a secret anymore whatsoever.   

[Straw Man]

After his speech in Kansas - its not a secret anymore whatsoever.   

it's still a secret to sane people

[Hugo Chavez]

To clarify I think he has a slim chance to win the nomination and no chance to beat Obama

you've put absolutely no time into thinking this out.

Paul has a better chance than Newt.  Search the net, there's no shortage of progressives who have had it with being backstabbed by Obama and are openly stating that they're going to vote for Paul.  Republicans, even if they don't like Paul, will vote for him over Obama.  Paul will get 5 to 10 percent of the progressive vote.  They know that the things they don't like about Paul, it's unlikely Paul would be able to accomplish anyway and they know that the big things they like about Paul will matter.  The more they start putting this together in the general the more they might jump ship.  The left is freaking pissed at Obama looking like a third Bush term.

Newt is hated so bad on the left, he'll rally the left behind Obama even if they don't want to vote for him.  Paul is actually liked by part of the left.  Even people on the left that hate some of his policies often like the guy for his honesty and for the policies they agree with.

[Straw Man]

you've put absolutely no time into thinking this out.
Paul has a better chance than Newt.  Search the net, there's no shortage of progressives who have had it with being backstabbed by Obama and are openly stating that they're going to vote for Paul.  Republicans, even if they don't like Paul, will vote for him over Obama.  Paul will get 5 to 10 percent of the progressive vote.  They know that the things they don't like about Paul, it's unlikely Paul would be able to accomplish anyway and they know that the big things they like about Paul will matter.  The more they start putting this together in the general the more they might jump ship.  The left is freaking pissed at Obama looking like a third Bush term.

Newt is hated so bad on the left, he'll rally the left behind Obama even if they don't want to vote for him.  Paul is actually liked by part of the left.  Even people on the left that hate some of his policies often like the guy for his honesty and for the policies they agree with.

how would you having any way of knowing that?

RP is an affable guy, pricincipled and consistent but kooky and even somewhat dangerous (for example he would be a disaster for the economic recovery).   

He has ardent supporters but is not poplular with mainstream Republicans and when he starts talking about getting  rid of FEMA, Department of Education, etc...  he's guaranteed to not get any Obama voters

[Freeborn126]

Of course he could win, the only people that don't want him to are false conservatives like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly.  Americans are waking up to their deception now.

[Soul Crusher]

how would you having any way of knowing that?

RP is an affable guy, pricincipled and consistent but kooky and even somewhat dangerous (for example he would be a disaster for the economic recovery).   

He has ardent supporters but is not poplular with mainstream Republicans and when he starts talking about getting  rid of FEMA, Department of Education, etc...  he's guaranteed to not get any Obama voters

LOL.   How is the obama recovery going? 

[Freeborn126]

It is so laughable how all the neo cons are on full assault of Ron Paul the past two days now that it is apparent he will win Iowa.  Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Coulter, all saying the Bachmann and Santorum are more conservative than Paul.  What a joke.

[Straw Man]

LOL.   How is the obama recovery going? 

better than it would be if RP had taken over in 2009

[Soul Crusher]

better than it would be if RP had taken over in 2009

LOL   

[Hugo Chavez]

how would you having any way of knowing that?

RP is an affable guy, pricincipled and consistent but kooky and even somewhat dangerous (for example he would be a disaster for the economic recovery).   

He has ardent supporters but is not poplular with mainstream Republicans and when he starts talking about getting  rid of FEMA, Department of Education, etc...  he's guaranteed to not get any Obama voters

How would I have any way of knowing that lol?  Well when you see other progressives making a case for Paul it's not imaginary.  When you see polls where in a hypothetical matchup Paul is the only republican taking a nice chunk of progressive votes, it's not imaginary, people are voting in the polls that way.  When you clearly see how much the right hates Obama, it's not imaginary to know they'll vote for Paul over Obama.

If Paul takes just 5% of the progressive vote from Obama, Obama has no shot to win.  My guess is he can take up to 10%.

I could ask how could you know Paul or Newt can't win.  It's sounds like you're going by gut instinct in stating that for sure.  I've at least studied the polls, political climate an what progressives are actually saying.

[Straw Man]

and all would have MUCH worse under RP

[Soul Crusher]

and all would have MUCH worse under RP

BASED ON WHAT?

[loco]

No.

 Agreed

No chance

Ron Paul brings people together.     

[Soul Crusher]

 Agreed

No chance




Ron Paul brings people together.     

I still have not seen straw offer one coherent defense of obamas policies to date yet he still supports him. 

[Straw Man]

BASED ON WHAT?

safe bet he would have cancelled or greatly restricted TARP (which would have mean massive bank failures with ripple effects throughout the economy), not bailed out the auto dealers (causing massive spike in unemployment, not done a stimulus ( I know you think would have been a good thing but in reality it would have exacerabated unemployment),  he probably wouldn't have negotiated to raise the debt ceiling (again - that would have been a disaster) and on and on

keep in mind

I don't expect you to understand or agree with any of that

You've already admitted many times that you would have done nothing if you were in office in 2009 and you've admitted this would have made the economy much worse....and somehow you think creating more unemployment and financial unheaval would have somehow benifited us in the long run.

[Straw Man]

I still have not seen straw offer one coherent defense of obamas policies to date yet he still supports him. 

I criticised him more than I've defended him

do you recall that?