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Robin Leach: Obama Is a 'Socialist' - He Is 'Whipping Up This Racial War and This Economic Divide'
By Noel Sheppard | April 18, 2012 | 08:57



 
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Former Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous host Robin Leach said Friday that President Obama is a socialist.

Appearing on the Fox Business Network Friday, Leach told host Neal Cavuto the current White House resident is "whipping up this racial war and this economic divide" (video follows with transcript and commentary):


NEAL CAVUTO, HOST: The White House itching to slam the rich nonetheless by taxing them out. But lots of states are trying to actually reel them in. In South Carolina for example, they are pushing big tax breaks for billionaires who invest in small businesses. My next guest says that's a good idea, and he knows or two about the rich. He made a living by following how rich folks were living. Former "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" host Robin Leach who has I think one of the most distinct voices on the planet.

I would love you to do like my answering machine, "You've reached the Cavuto residence." No. How are you?

ROBIN LEACH, VEGASDELUXE.COM HOST: Hello. I'm very well, but unfortunatley, Neil Cavuto is out at this moment driving in his open top Rolls Royce along the beaches of the San Tropez.

CAVUTO: Just set it to record. You are not a fan of what is going on here.

LEACH: No, I think it is deadly dangerous and I don't use those two words lightly.

Look, what Obama is proposing you've got to cut right down to it, it is socialism. It is so ugly and evil. It doesn't work - it's never worked. And we went through this in Britain until Maggy Thatcher and rescued us from a fate worse than what's going to happen here.

CAVUTO: He takes great umbrage to that socialist description.

LEACH: Of course, because it is the truth.

CAVUTO: He says, "I'm trying to level the playing field."

LEACH: What is level the playing field? It's a colloquial, warm, fuzzy expression that means I am a socialist.

CAVUTO: OK. I'm going to try this one you. They argue that over the last ten years, 20 years more to the point, the rich have lopsidedly benefited from what's been going on and they believe that the only way to correct that, Robin, is to bring the rich down by paying more in taxes.

LEACH: Punish the rich. Whip the rich. Make them as middle income and as poor as the people who aren't rich.

CAVUTO: I heard from a U.S. politician Robin who said, "Look, the top rate used to be 90 percent in this country. We have a hell of a long way to go." What do you think of that?

LEACH: Frightening, because at one point in Britain it and it was 99 percent. Can you imagine that?

CAVUTO: What did they do when it was 99 percent? Surely no one paid that.

LEACH: There were more people who paid it than didn't pay it, and it looked like the end of the world. Because what happens is if you remove the monetary supply from the economy and turn it over to politicians and the government to administer, you know that everywhere you turn be it a bush that costs $300,000 to plant in a road or a GSA conference in Las Vegas, government wastes money.

Government cannot run anything efficiently. Government breeds corruption and laziness because it is a we do not care philosophy. It is rich people and it is private enterprise and it's small business owners who go out there and bust their humps to make progress in whatever line of work they are doing. It is in our human nature.

But then there is this other group of people who think that  the money should be taken away from the go-getters and do-gooders because they are not going to do it and they can't do it and they won't do it. And for as long as you have a president who is whipping up this racial war and this economic divide, which he is doing quietly, but some of us see through it, you begin to realize that level the playing field is truly socialism.

CAVUTO: Well, I don't know how to top that.

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Yet folks in our media are 100 percent behind this president never questioning his motives or his policies.

Makes you want to cry, doesn't it?



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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 07:42:48 AM »
A Real Socialist Explains Why Obama Isn’t One of Them…By Anita Finlay ("Ani")closeAuthor: Anita Finlay ("Ani") Name: Ani Ai
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About: See Authors Posts (258) on April 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM in Austan Goolsbee, Bailouts, Bank Bailouts, Bank Failure, Current Affairs, Earmarks, Elitism, George Bush, National Debt, Obama Administration, Obama's Broken Promises, President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Toxic Assets, Wall Street

CNN’s John Blake posted an article the other day that is just too rich to let pass without comment. CNN, certainly very Obama-friendly, was probably trying to do our President a solid by posting this piece in an effort to prove to the Tea Party activists and others who are not fans of Mr. Obama’s policies that he is not — yikes — a Socialist! So Blake interviewed an authority on the matter…

According to CNN, when it comes to the passage of the new health care bill…

[Billy] Wharton, co-chair of the Socialist Party USA, sees no reason to celebrate. He’s seen people with bumper stickers and placards that call Obama a socialist, and he has a message for them: Obama isn’t a socialist. He’s not even a liberal.

“We didn’t see a great victory with the election of Barack Obama,” Wharton says, “and we certainly didn’t see our agenda move from the streets to the White House.”

Obama’s opponents have long described him as a socialist. But what do actual socialists think about Obama? Not much, says Wharton.

And here is where CNN shares a doozy and my second favorite line of the entire article. According to Mr. Wharton:
“He’s the president whose main goal is to protect the wealth of the richest 5 percent of Americans.”

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding !!!! Bingo! You win the prize. Corporate bailouts. Crony capitalism. “Too big to fail policies” that encourage Wall Street thugs who have been reckless to continue said behavior knowing they will get bailed out when they fail again. A health insurance plan to benefit Big Insurance and Big Phrma, bailing out mis-managed car companies….

Mr. Obama is a corporatist.

One of his biggest economic advisors is Austan Goolsbee (um, the guy who wants to privatize Social Security). I said it when President Bush was trying to do the same thing – do you want some of these Wall Street ganeffs (crooks) managing your hard earned dough and playing Ponzi schemes with your retirement?

The following should be of interest:

[Wharton] and others say the assertion that Obama is a socialist is absurd.

“It makes no rational sense. It clearly means that people don’t understand what socialism is.”

Definitions of socialism vary, but most socialists believe workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own or control them.

Not all socialists, though, want to confiscate personal property. Democratic Socialists are more interested in protecting ordinary people from unregulated capitalism through regulation and progressive taxation.

Some of the socialist agenda is already part of American life, according to Wharton and others.

Social Security, Medicare, unemployment benefits — all reflect socialistic values, says Van Gosse, an associate professor of history at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, who has researched socialist movements in the United States and Latin America.

The widely accepted notions of public education and Pell Grants for college students are socialistic in origin, Gosse says. They fit well with the socialistic premise that government should provide basic security from the cradle to the grave to all of its citizens, he says.

“We assert that education should not be left up to the private market — where those who can pay, get it and those who can’t, don’t get it,” Gosse says. “It’s a common good and in that sense it is a socialistic institution even if the U.S. remains a capitalist nation.”

Socialists are not happy with the recent 2,700 page health insurance reform bill…

They don’t applaud the passage of the recent health care bill either. They wanted a national “single-payer” health insurance plan with a government option. The bill that Obama championed didn’t have any of those features.

Wharton said the new health care bill only strengthens private health insurance companies. They get 32 million new customers and no incentive to change — something a socialist wouldn’t accept.

“Most of it was authored by the health care industry,” Wharton says. “I call it the corporate restructuring of health care.”

BINGO!! And in regard to The Obama administrations actions re the banks, just like Bush before him:

Other critics point to Obama’s Wall Street bailout — which actually had its roots in the Bush administration. Critics say it’s socialistic for government to assume control of private industry.

Frank Llewellyn, national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says the bailout had nothing to do with socialism.

Llewellyn says a socialist leader would have at least nationalized some of the troubled banks.

“He gave them [the banks] too much with no strings attached,” Llewellyn says. “Banks that were too big to fail are bigger, and they can still fail.”

How about Obama’s bailout of the Detroit auto industry? During the bailout, the federal government assumed partial ownership of General Motors.

“It’s not socialism,” Llewellyn says. “The mere fact that the government owns something or has a stake in it, doesn’t make it socialist. If that was true, you would say that we have a socialist army. The government owns the army.”

Here’s where it gets interesting:

Defining socialism is complex, Llewellyn says, but it starts with a simple goal: Socialists want to introduce democratic features into the economy to reduce inequality.

The economy has “to be run for the overall benefit of the entire population, not for the benefits of a very few people.”

By that measure, Obama’s economic policies are not socialist, he says.

Many here at NoQuarter have long maintained that Presidents Obama and Bush are mirror images of each other. Mr. Llewellyn’s comments go some distance in making that point.

A tea party member had this to say in response:

“The role of government is to provide a safe environment to conduct business, not to take from one and give to the other,” says Quagliaroli, a financial planner who lives in Woodstock, Georgia.

Quagliaroli was not persuaded by the arguments of other socialist leaders who reject the idea that Obama is a socialist.

“He’s just not socialist enough for them.”

Quagliaroli says he doesn’t like socialism because it breeds mediocrity and encourages people to “live on the dole.” Capitalism “breeds excellence” because it encourages initiative, he says.

I have likewise heard other heretofore compassionate people becoming judgmental over the lifestyles of others, particularly if they are reckless, since we are now going to have to subsidize them. If “spreading the wealth acround” means I have lived by the rules my whole life and now have to bail out those who haven’t — no, I don’t like that either.

And now we come to my favorite line in the entire article – this ought to have heads exploding all over the country:

The argument over Obama’s ideology may rage on, but at least one socialist says another prominent politician ought to be inserted into the debate.

Llewellyn, the national director of the Democratic Socialists of America, says he was struck by one player in the 2008 presidential elections who displayed more socialistic leanings than Obama.

This candidate raised taxes on the big oil companies, and sent the revenue to the people.

If you want to learn something about spreading the wealth, Llewellyn says, don’t look to Obama.

“To be honest, the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin.”

Hmmm. Well, at least that gives the lie to lefties claiming Sarah Palin is some sort of reactionary.

I think the reason so many keep calling President Obama a socialist is that they don’t know how to term his political philosophy. Perhaps because the only one he seems to have is the one that is going to get him re-elected – namely putting money in the pockets of the groups who have the most dough to spend on his campaign.

His supporters didn’t want to admit it, but he got more money from Wall Street than any other candidate. Fannie and Freddie, Unions, Big Insurance, Big Phrma likewise helped put him over the top – burying all comers in an avalanche of money. His policies most seem to benefit them. Not us. Even the rumblings we are hearing about proposed regulatory reform in the banking industry leave me doubtful anything will be imposed that has real teeth. This health care plan was more or less written by insurance companies for their own benefit. How can we believe anything else that comes out of this administration is going to be for the benefit of those on the street?

Frankly, I’m not sure what name to give what is coming out of this White House but it sure seems to continue the idea that an elite few create policies that most benefit themselves, and we are told to sit down, shut up and take what’s left over.

What would you call it?
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/44318/a-real-socialist-explains-why-obama-isn%E2%80%99t-one-of-them%E2%80%A6/

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 08:11:19 AM »
LOL @ a guy who made a fortune doing nothing but highlighting the economic divide saying anything about the economic divide.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 08:46:07 AM »
LOL @ a guy who made a fortune doing nothing but highlighting the economic divide saying anything about the economic divide.


Yawn - more leftist code words from you.   Hook line and sinker   How does taking money away from others and giving it to obama to shower his wife w vacations and pissing away billions on corrupt cronies benefit you personally?   

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 09:18:24 AM »

Yawn - more leftist code words from you.   Hook line and sinker   How does taking money away from others and giving it to obama to shower his wife w vacations and pissing away billions on corrupt cronies benefit you personally?  
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/socialist-party-usa-to-rick-perry-stop-calling-obama-a-socialist/
Socialist Party USA to Rick Perry: Stop Calling Obama a Socialist!Posted on January 10, 2012 at 2:12pm by  Christopher Santarelli Print »Email »Comments (379)

The socialist label attached to President Barack Obama’s name has been floating around for some time. On Sunday, it re-emerged when Texas Gov. Rick Perry made the familiar accusation during the NBC News GOP presidential debate in New Hampshire.

“I make a very proud statement, and of fact, that we have a president thats a socialist,” Perry said Sunday.

“I disagree with that premise that somehow or another, that Obama reflects our founding fathers. He doesn’t.”

Authorities on the matter are now taking aim at Perry’s “fairy tale” claims.

“The notion that Barack Obama is a socialist ranks among the greatest fairy tales in American society — right up there with the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the idea that if you work hard enough your children will live a better life than you,” Socialist Party USA spokeswoman Lynn Lomibao said in an email to The Huffington Post.

“Socialists know what Obama is: another corporate funded politician placed in the White House to protect the wealth and status of the 1 percent,” the e-mail continued. ”When Americans needed a solution to mass unemployment, Obama gave away billions in cash to bail out the banks. When Americans needed a single-payer healthcare system, Obama promoted a pro-health insurance healthcare ‘reform’ package that forced millions into junk healthcare plans subsidized by public funds. And when American workers asked for the right to join a union without employer harassment through the Employee Free Choice Act, Obama showed who he really answers to by betraying the promises he made to working people during his campaign.”


PolitiFact weighed in on the matter, examining whether Perry’s claim was fact, ultimately ruling the statement to be a “Pants on Fire!” lie:

“After the debate, PolitiFact National explored the question of whether Obama is in fact a socialist, comparing the president’s tax policies and major initiatives with this definition of socialism: support for ‘governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.’ The upshot: Obama policies such as the health care law and the economic stimulus add up to flimsy evidence for even beginning to show that he’s a socialist.

Conservative economist Bruce Bartlett told PolitiFact: ‘Socialism means public ownership of the means of production. Obama does not believe this. Therefore he is not a socialist. … Although it is true that the federal government did come to own some private businesses as a consequence of bailout policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration such as (the Troubled Asset Relief Program), the Obama administration sold many of them — such as its shares in GM — as quickly as feasible. A true socialist would have held on to them.’

Put to the Truth-O-Meter, Perry’s claim rates as ridiculous. Obama’s policies may have expanded government, but they don’t justify the hyperbole of Perry’s charge. Pants on Fire!“

Perhaps Socialist Party USA candidate for President Stewart Alexander will have the opportunity to debate Gov. Perry about his definition of socialism.

What do you think?

Can Rick Perry spot socialism better than the Socialist Party?

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 09:20:44 AM »
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New York Socialists: Barack Obama Is Not a SocialistBy Victoria Bekiempis Thu., Jan. 26 2012 at 3:40 PM Categories: "Politics"

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In the capricious, confusing, volatile world of contemporary American politics, at least one thing can be counted on these days: for better or for worse, a lot of people still think Barack Obama is a socialist.

So you might wonder what socialists think about Obama.

If the official reaction to Obama's State of the Union is any indication, it looks like the main group of American socialists isn't merely jaded by the prez' positions -- as are New York's liberals and progressives.

Rather, they kinda think that Obama is as bad as the worst capitalist pigs.

In a statement published in the Socialist Party NYC website today, Stewart Alexander -- 2012 Socialist Party USA Presidential Candidate -- said that the first thing that came to mind post-SOTU is the phrase "too little, too late."

"After spending the last few years coddling the banks and the richest 1%, Obama has the nerve to now call for 'economic fairness.' To him, this means tweaking payroll taxes and making a rhetorical call to reverse the Bush tax cuts for the rich," he wrote.

"For working people in America real fairness means the right to a job, a guarantee of healthcare for all and an end to the Military Industrial Complex. Obama won't deliver this. That's why I am running for President against him"

Ah.

There's more:

In a democratic socialist society neither Obama nor Romney would be allowed to pay an effective tax rate of 26% and 17% respectively. Corporate taxation, financial gains taxes and personal income taxes will be modernized - all loopholes will be closed and the rich will pay a steep tax on their income. This is what economic fairness looks like to a socialist.
If Obama's proposals for "Economic Fairness" are hard to believe, his attempt to present his Presidency as one of peace is simply a farce. The hands of the Obama administration are dripping with blood. He has approved a brutal Drone war on the people of Pakistan that has resulted in massive civilian casualties. He has accelerated the war in Afghanistan, which has increased casualties among soldiers and terrorized the civilian population driving them into the political arms of the Taliban. And Obama has continued to take an aggressive political stance on Iran thereby moving the country closer to another war.


Well, there you have it: Obama is not just hated by the far right, but also the far left. But hey, at least he has some sympathetic pols to cheer him on in New York.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 09:25:16 AM »
The point is he preaches class warfare and tried to take from the upper class and give to the lower class. The middle class is effectively disappearing.
The "socialist" monicker comes from that. From his constant attacks on those with money, trying to take from them and "redistribute it", as he constantly claims.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 09:30:39 AM »
http://www.businessweek.com/politics-policy/joshua-green-on-politics/archives/2012/02/why_its_dumb_to_call_obama_a_socialist.html
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Why It's Dumb to Call Obama a Socialist
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Business ExchangeEmail this PostFor all their bickering, the Republican presidential candidates don’t have much trouble agreeing that President Obama has been terrible for the economy. Newt Gingrich says he’s “a left-wing radical” bent on fostering “socialism.” Rick Santorum has charged him with “heavy government control that refuses to liberate the private sector.”

Even the normally placid Mitt Romney has been known to erupt in fits of violent fantasy when his thoughts turn to the president’s stewardship. “I am someone who believes in free enterprise,” Romney declared at the CNN debate in South Carolina recently. “I think Adam Smith was right, and we’re going to get hit hard by Barack Obama, but we’re going to stuff it down his throat that it is capitalism and freedom that makes us strong.”

Driven by this sort of rhetoric, a conviction has taken hold among many conservatives that the president is actively hostile to the very idea of a market-based economy. That’s a much different charge than the one Obama seemed likely to face just a few months ago — not that he was too hostile to capitalism, but that he was too accommodating of it. Obama’s indulgence toward the big Wall Street banks after the financial crisis once appeared to be his greatest vulnerability. Some Democrats in Congress can even pinpoint the date on which they believe the American public turned against them and the president, driven by disgust over Wall Street’s unchecked excesses. It was March 15, 2009, when the news broke that executives at AIG would receive millions of dollars in bonuses.

For Obama, the danger of this latter, now mostly forgotten, line of attack is that unlike the current one, it is true: He took a hands-off approach to the banks as part of a larger strategy to stem the crisis, a choice that he has never been very good at explaining, and thus has the potential to hurt him. His administration’s strategy depended on private markets, rather than on the government, and entailed propping up the same banks that had wrought the damage.

When the administration came into office, the economy was shrinking at frightening speed. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and several of his colleagues had dealt with the financial crises in Mexico and Asian during the 1990s and believed they knew how best to stop this one. Along with fiscal stimulus and looser monetary policy, they considered it imperative to recapitalize the banking sector and get it lending again.

Traditionally, after a financial crisis, the government has furnished that money — lots of it. Research by the Cleveland Fed puts the typical cost of such a bailout at 5 to 10 percent of GDP, which would have left US taxpayers on the hook for as much as $1.5 trillion. Obama’s plan (really, Geithner’s) was to persuade private investors to come up with that money. The “stress tests” applied to the largest banks were meant to demonstrate that the banks weren’t about to fail.

From a taxpayer standpoint, the strategy paid off. Investors provided the overwhelming bulk of the needed capital. The catch was that in order to attract them, Obama couldn’t actively interfere with the banks by, for instance, firing CEOs or revoking bonuses, for fear of frightening away the very investors his plan relied on. Pursuing that plan entailed taking an enormous political risk, because it meant that the White House would have to ignore the clamor to punish the malefactors. But as Geithner likes to put it, “In a crisis, you have to choose: Are you going to solve the problem, or are you going to teach people a lesson? They’re in direct conflict.”

Two years later, the economy is growing again, albeit slowly and fitfully. In an election campaign supposed to be a referendum on Barack Obama’s first term, it would be useful to debate the efficacy of his actions to stop the crisis and heal the economy. But that’s not the debate that’s taking place out on the trail, at least not in any rational sense. Calling the president a socialist may, regrettably, yield some benefit in the GOP primary. But it’s impossible to claim that Obama is both a socialist and also a pawn of Wall Street — and by opting for the former, Republicans have probably chosen the weaker line of attack.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 09:30:46 AM »

Yawn - more leftist code words from you.   Hook line and sinker   How does taking money away from others and giving it to obama to shower his wife w vacations and pissing away billions on corrupt cronies benefit you personally?  

he's right about obama.

it's just funny to see this guy being the one talking about economic divides haha.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 09:32:48 AM »
The Marxist party was also screaming to hell and high water that Obama wasn't a member and tried covering that whole thing up.  There isn't a single logical argument in any of those articles you posted Option D in regards to disproving the fact that Obama is pushing socialism even further down our throats.  Just heresy and rhetoric from people hoping to hide their agenda.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 09:33:11 AM »
The point is he preaches class warfare and tried to take from the upper class and give to the lower class. The middle class is effectively disappearing.
The "socialist" monicker comes from that. From his constant attacks on those with money, trying to take from them and "redistribute it", as he constantly claims.

The best part about the entire thing is that Obama himself has never once held a real job, never once got his hands dirty, never once produced a service or good benefitting anyone else, never once has been accountable for results of his own actions or policies, etc.  

He has no basis, experience, history, facts, or anything whatsoever to back up his bullshit desires or wishes and have anyone give him credibility or trust.  

The delusional idiots who voted for him and still support him still can't grasp that they elected the most unprepared, radical, inexperienced moron ever to be potus and that said items i just listed have manifested themselves in his failed policies.    

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 09:36:26 AM »
The Marxist party was also screaming to hell and high water that Obama wasn't a member and tried covering that whole thing up.  There isn't a single logical argument in any of those articles you posted Option D in regards to disproving the fact that Obama is pushing socialism even further down our throats.  Just heresy and rhetoric from people hoping to hide their agenda.

Those are arguments from Socialists and the National Socialist party highlighting the fact that In their eyes Obama isnt a socialist. So either the socialist party doesnt know what a socialist is, or Obama isnt a socialist. By the law of logic those are the only 2 logical explainations to this. Thats pretty cut and dry there bro.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 09:38:53 AM »
Those are arguments from Socialists and the National Socialist party highlighting the fact that In their eyes Obama isnt a socialist. So either the socialist party doesnt know what a socialist is, or Obama isnt a socialist. By the law of logic those are the only 2 logical explainations to this. Thats pretty cut and dry there bro.

Fine - lets agree than that obama is a toxic brew of socialism/fascism/corporatism/marxism/communism etc.

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2012, 09:40:01 AM »
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Subscribe :If a space alien landed on American soil tomorrow, it could be forgiven for thinking the president of the United States also represents a place called "Socialism."

A quick tour of the Web turns up hundreds of socialist-inspired images of Barack Obama-- Obama as Che Guevara on "Che Obama Socialist" t-shirts; Obama as a radical Marxist at Obama4Socialism.net. Even the Investor's Business Daily penned a series of editorials on the Obama agenda called, "The Audacity of Socialism."

And when President Obama announced he'd be giving a back-to-school message to students, now-famous Florida GOP'er, Jim Greer, said it would "spread President Obama's socialist ideology."

So if the United States has elected a socialist president, the socialists must be pretty excited, right? Claiming just a single U.S. Senator (Vermonter Bernie Sanders) and exactly zero members of the House of Representatives as their own, putting a socialist in the White House would represent the greatest achievement of any socialist alive today.

But there's just one problem. The socialists won't claim Obama as their own. They won't even call him a socialist.

Frank Llewellyn, the National Director of the Democratic Socialists of America, the country's largest socialist organization, said Obama is most definitely not one of them. "He's not any kind of socialist at all," Llewellyn told me this week. He called the president "a market guy," which is hardly a compliment coming from a man with serious reservations about market capitalism.

"He's not challenging the power of the corporations," Llewellyn added. "The banking reforms that have been suggested are not particularly far reaching. He says we must have room for innovation, but we had innovation -- look where it got us. So I just...I can't..I mean it's laugh out loud, really."

Llewellyn offered his belief that Republicans have historically called opponents "socialists" in order to stop moderate reforms, and that the new stickiness of the Obama/socialist association is one part misinformation, one part ignorance. "The Republicans are doing the same thing they did when Roosevelt was president -- confusing somebody who is trying to save capitalism from itself with somebody who is trying to destroy it. (Obama) is not trying to destroy capitalism."

Llewellyn did, however, have kind words for GOP Chairman Michael Steele, to whom he suggested -- and it sounded only half-in-jest -- he owes a thank you note. "We have more media attention as a result of this stuff than anything else in the last 10 years," he said.

Below is the full Q&A with Mr. Llewellyn, who in his previous life owned a small business.

Q. Where on the scale does Obama fall on socialism?

A. There are many ways we can say that Obama is not a socialist, and that he is in fact governing as a centrist, but that doesn't necessarily get people to listen. Clearly the Republicans are saying it since that's all they've got to say. I don't believe they're going to stop making this charge.

It's good for me, we have more media attention as a result of this stuff than anything else in the last 10 years. When I announce our membership numbers, I'm contemplating sending Michael Steele a letter thanking him.

Q. Is there anything in President Obama's agenda that does ring true to socialists? Is there any element that has its roots in socialism?

A. We don't have a blueprint for socialism. We're not a party, we're a membership organization. We haven't organized ourselves as a party precisely because socialism as a political construct is so weak in this country.

We actually did support Obama over Bush and we often will make political choices if we think they're important. They're not based on which one is socialist, because usually in most cases, unless it's Bernie Sanders, there isn't a socialist alternative. But many times it's important to make a choice and we'll do that. We certainly thought Obama would be a better president for the country than John McCain.

Q. On health care reform, are you advocating any particular path?

A. We've always been single payer people. We were for single payer back when Clinton proposed health care reform, and we've done a lot of work to educate people about that. But single payer is not what I would call a "socialized" medical system. It doesn't make health care professionals employees of a government-run entity; it just says who is going to write the check.

Q. Your best case scenario would be if doctors were employed by the government?

A. I would say the only country where you can talk about socialized medicine is in Britain where you have a national health service where they're paid by the government and most costs are run through the government. I would say that's a socialized system. You can have national systems, most of them we would argue if you allow for-profit insurance you're not going to get effective health insurance. And it's certainly not going to be cost-effective health insurance because of the huge profits these health insurance companies want to make.

So if you look at other countries that have national health systems that include private insurance, there are usually requirements that they're not for-profit. There could be other avenues of approaching it, but we happen to think the single payer model along the lines of the Canadian system is what would work here.

Q. Is there a particular tax system that would be a "socialist" tax system?

A. Generally speaking, we support a progressive income tax system. Certainly we support rolling back the Bush tax cuts, and we would say you have to go back further to roll back the Reagan cuts if you're going to implement the reforms that are necessary and pay for them. It's amazing that conservatives don't want to pay for anything. In Europe, they have income taxes, but they also have VAT; we think that's not progressive. I wouldn't say there's a 100 percent agreement among socialists around the world on taxes, but most would believe that taxes ought to be based on the ability to pay.

Q. On the school controversy, what was your reaction to people saying that the president speaking to schools is socialist? What goes through your mind?

A. The same thing that's gone through my mind every time the Republicans talk about socialism. It's silly, surreal, uninformed, and it certainly doesn't reflect what modern socialists think, and it doesn't reflect what Obama thinks. Obama's a market guy! Obama believes in markets. He probably spoke more about the role of the markets in the primary than Clinton did. So, there's no question that the Republicans are doing the same thing they did when Roosevelt was president -- confusing somebody who is trying to save capitalism from itself with somebody who is trying to destroy it. He's not trying to destroy capitalism.

And this school thing is just ridiculous.

Q. Is Obama a socialist?

A. No.

Q. Is he a secret socialist?

A. He's not a secret socialist. He's not any kind of socialist at all. He's not challenging the power of the corporations. The banking reforms that have been suggested are not particularly far reaching. He says we must have room for innovation. But we had innovation -- look where it got us. So I just...I can't...I mean laugh out loud, really.

I was on Glenn Beck recently and he said Canada is a socialist country. Well, there is a party in Canada that's called "socialist" within the Democratic party, that's won some provincial elections, never won a federal election. It would be news to them that Canada is socialist. So it's just unserious.

They always use socialism to try to defeat moderate reforms...just because something is government run doesn't mean it's socialist. I've never heard anybody say we have a socialist army.

Q. What do you want people to know about socialism?

A. There have been hundreds and hundreds of books about that. But to put it simply, I would say socialists want to constrain and restrict the tremendous destructive capacity and outcomes that can come out of the capitalist system. We're going through something right now where people are in denial about the aftershocks that we're going to have as a result of the financial crisis. We think that you cannot have a equitable system unless you constrain the power of corporations to do things and you constrict the markets in same ways. The markets can do good things. We'd like to keep the good things that markets do but we'd like to constrain the negative.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 09:41:17 AM »
Fine - lets agree than that obama is a toxic brew of socialism/fascism/corporatism/marxism/communism etc.

lets not agree... if the authorities say he isnt...he isnt... and  corporatism and communism contradict....try again

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Subscribe :If a space alien landed on American soil tomorrow, it could be forgiven for thinking the president of the United States also represents a place called "Socialism."

A quick tour of the Web turns up hundreds of socialist-inspired images of Barack Obama-- Obama as Che Guevara on "Che Obama Socialist" t-shirts; Obama as a radical Marxist at Obama4Socialism.net. Even the Investor's Business Daily penned a series of editorials on the Obama agenda called, "The Audacity of Socialism."

And when President Obama announced he'd be giving a back-to-school message to students, now-famous Florida GOP'er, Jim Greer, said it would "spread President Obama's socialist ideology."

So if the United States has elected a socialist president, the socialists must be pretty excited, right? Claiming just a single U.S. Senator (Vermonter Bernie Sanders) and exactly zero members of the House of Representatives as their own, putting a socialist in the White House would represent the greatest achievement of any socialist alive today.

But there's just one problem. The socialists won't claim Obama as their own. They won't even call him a socialist.

Frank Llewellyn, the National Director of the Democratic Socialists of America, the country's largest socialist organization, said Obama is most definitely not one of them. "He's not any kind of socialist at all," Llewellyn told me this week. He called the president "a market guy," which is hardly a compliment coming from a man with serious reservations about market capitalism.

"He's not challenging the power of the corporations," Llewellyn added. "The banking reforms that have been suggested are not particularly far reaching. He says we must have room for innovation, but we had innovation -- look where it got us. So I just...I can't..I mean it's laugh out loud, really."

Llewellyn offered his belief that Republicans have historically called opponents "socialists" in order to stop moderate reforms, and that the new stickiness of the Obama/socialist association is one part misinformation, one part ignorance. "The Republicans are doing the same thing they did when Roosevelt was president -- confusing somebody who is trying to save capitalism from itself with somebody who is trying to destroy it. (Obama) is not trying to destroy capitalism."

Llewellyn did, however, have kind words for GOP Chairman Michael Steele, to whom he suggested -- and it sounded only half-in-jest -- he owes a thank you note. "We have more media attention as a result of this stuff than anything else in the last 10 years," he said.

Below is the full Q&A with Mr. Llewellyn, who in his previous life owned a small business.

Q. Where on the scale does Obama fall on socialism?

A. There are many ways we can say that Obama is not a socialist, and that he is in fact governing as a centrist, but that doesn't necessarily get people to listen. Clearly the Republicans are saying it since that's all they've got to say. I don't believe they're going to stop making this charge.

It's good for me, we have more media attention as a result of this stuff than anything else in the last 10 years. When I announce our membership numbers, I'm contemplating sending Michael Steele a letter thanking him.

Q. Is there anything in President Obama's agenda that does ring true to socialists? Is there any element that has its roots in socialism?

A. We don't have a blueprint for socialism. We're not a party, we're a membership organization. We haven't organized ourselves as a party precisely because socialism as a political construct is so weak in this country.

We actually did support Obama over Bush and we often will make political choices if we think they're important. They're not based on which one is socialist, because usually in most cases, unless it's Bernie Sanders, there isn't a socialist alternative. But many times it's important to make a choice and we'll do that. We certainly thought Obama would be a better president for the country than John McCain.

Q. On health care reform, are you advocating any particular path?

A. We've always been single payer people. We were for single payer back when Clinton proposed health care reform, and we've done a lot of work to educate people about that. But single payer is not what I would call a "socialized" medical system. It doesn't make health care professionals employees of a government-run entity; it just says who is going to write the check.

Q. Your best case scenario would be if doctors were employed by the government?

A. I would say the only country where you can talk about socialized medicine is in Britain where you have a national health service where they're paid by the government and most costs are run through the government. I would say that's a socialized system. You can have national systems, most of them we would argue if you allow for-profit insurance you're not going to get effective health insurance. And it's certainly not going to be cost-effective health insurance because of the huge profits these health insurance companies want to make.

So if you look at other countries that have national health systems that include private insurance, there are usually requirements that they're not for-profit. There could be other avenues of approaching it, but we happen to think the single payer model along the lines of the Canadian system is what would work here.

Q. Is there a particular tax system that would be a "socialist" tax system?

A. Generally speaking, we support a progressive income tax system. Certainly we support rolling back the Bush tax cuts, and we would say you have to go back further to roll back the Reagan cuts if you're going to implement the reforms that are necessary and pay for them. It's amazing that conservatives don't want to pay for anything. In Europe, they have income taxes, but they also have VAT; we think that's not progressive. I wouldn't say there's a 100 percent agreement among socialists around the world on taxes, but most would believe that taxes ought to be based on the ability to pay.

Q. On the school controversy, what was your reaction to people saying that the president speaking to schools is socialist? What goes through your mind?

A. The same thing that's gone through my mind every time the Republicans talk about socialism. It's silly, surreal, uninformed, and it certainly doesn't reflect what modern socialists think, and it doesn't reflect what Obama thinks. Obama's a market guy! Obama believes in markets. He probably spoke more about the role of the markets in the primary than Clinton did. So, there's no question that the Republicans are doing the same thing they did when Roosevelt was president -- confusing somebody who is trying to save capitalism from itself with somebody who is trying to destroy it. He's not trying to destroy capitalism.

And this school thing is just ridiculous.

Q. Is Obama a socialist?

A. No.

Q. Is he a secret socialist?

A. He's not a secret socialist. He's not any kind of socialist at all. He's not challenging the power of the corporations. The banking reforms that have been suggested are not particularly far reaching. He says we must have room for innovation. But we had innovation -- look where it got us. So I just...I can't...I mean laugh out loud, really.

I was on Glenn Beck recently and he said Canada is a socialist country. Well, there is a party in Canada that's called "socialist" within the Democratic party, that's won some provincial elections, never won a federal election. It would be news to them that Canada is socialist. So it's just unserious.

They always use socialism to try to defeat moderate reforms...just because something is government run doesn't mean it's socialist. I've never heard anybody say we have a socialist army.

Q. What do you want people to know about socialism?

A. There have been hundreds and hundreds of books about that. But to put it simply, I would say socialists want to constrain and restrict the tremendous destructive capacity and outcomes that can come out of the capitalist system. We're going through something right now where people are in denial about the aftershocks that we're going to have as a result of the financial crisis. We think that you cannot have a equitable system unless you constrain the power of corporations to do things and you constrict the markets in same ways. The markets can do good things. We'd like to keep the good things that markets do but we'd like to constrain the negative.


Considering how obama is such a failure and incompetent boob - do you really think that guy wants to associate himself with asuch a failure publicly?

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 09:42:09 AM »
lets not agree... if the authorities say he isnt...he isnt... and  corporatism and communism contradict....try again

The "authorities"????     LOL ! ! !  ! !

lemming. 

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 09:44:48 AM »
The "authorities"????     LOL ! ! !  ! !

lemming. 

Authorities... as in the people who are in the actual Socialist Party...yes athorities...

In your case.. it would be considered. "expert witness"...

its like a Mexican Chef in Mexico looking at a dish and saying "that aint a taco".. you kind of gotta go with what he says.. i mean.. he is the expert...
I hope ive cleared this up for you.. God damn youre an idiot

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2012, 09:46:46 AM »
Authorities... as in the people who are in the actual Socialist Party...yes athorities...

In your case.. it would be considered. "expert witness"...

its like a Mexican Chef in Mexico looking at a dish and saying "that aint a taco".. you kind of gotta go with what he says.. i mean.. he is the expert...
I hope ive cleared this up for you.. God damn youre an idiot

So what is Obama then?   If you say  - "just a run of the mill incompetent corrupt chicago politician" - fine I'll accept that. 

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2012, 09:51:53 AM »
So what is Obama then?   If you say  - "just a run of the mill incompetent corrupt chicago politician" - fine I'll accept that. 

Im still trying to find out why you didnt understand the Authority statement

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2012, 09:54:31 AM »
Im still trying to find out why you didnt understand the Authority statement

Because i dont need those people to tell me what most people already know.   Obama can't say openly he is a communist - but if you look at his arguments, speeches, and stated goals - it all leads down the same road to the hell of socialism. 

You can label it whatever the fuck you want - it is what it is - socialism.  Notice how everything with him is the "collective" and never about the "individual"? 

BTW - he already said he hates the USC because it does not achieve economic redistrubtion of wealth. 

   

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2012, 10:32:28 AM »
I love how the Obama drones only operate in absolutes. As if the dying continent of Europe hasn't shown us that there are varying degrees of socialist economies.

Great points you're making with the copy/paste spam, hahaha.

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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2012, 10:36:15 AM »
I love how the Obama drones only operate in absolutes. As if the dying continent of Europe hasn't shown us that there are varying degrees of socialist economies.

Great points you're making with the copy/paste spam, hahaha.

Absolutes... Thats as cut and dry as it gets... Socialists Dont think obama is a Socialist and heres why...

and not once have i ever heard you comment on the copy and paste of 33333...talk about blind loyalty

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2012, 10:39:20 AM »
Absolutes... Thats as cut and dry as it gets... Socialists Dont think obama is a Socialist and heres why...

and not once have i ever heard you comment on the copy and paste of 33333...talk about blind loyalty

I think it goes without saying that 333 posts a lot. I also know that you and others criticize him for it but have no problem doing the same thing when it suits you.

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Re: Robin Leach: Obama is a socialist and is fomenting a race war.
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2012, 10:43:33 AM »
Mal - tell me what Obama is saying here.