Ronnie Coleman - from great to not-as-great

[Oliver Klaushof]

Yeah that's Dorian in peak form right there. 

[GMCtrk]

ok, so you post a picture of dorian from 1990...

here's some massive quad separation for you....from an olympia winner nonetheless. By, my estimation, ronnie is also the only olympia winner to admit he lost....

[240 is Back]

ok, so you post a picture of dorian from 1990...
here's some massive quad separation for you....from an olympia winner nonetheless. By, my estimation, ronnie is also the only olympia winner to admit he lost....

Where is the quote?  Is this about 2001?  Because he sure denied losing to Gunter at the 2002 SOS. 

[GMCtrk]

who knows, maybe he was just giving the peace sign

[pumpster]

Ronnie has a better most muscular because of his vascularity and biceps. But that's it.

Except for Ron's size, defo, shape and sweep advantages in bis, tris, chest, lats, delts and thighs, Yates is right there..

Some people forgot just how amazing the Dorian was.

Easy to forget mediocrity. He's right there with the great Franco Columbu in my book. 

By, my estimation, ronnie is also the only olympia winner to admit he lost....

Wrong; Arnold said same re: '72. What you're missing from that shot is that on video it's clear that it's not as close as pics might suggest. Same thing in '05, when the pics made it look closer than it was.

[Hulkster]

Yeah that's Dorian in peak form right there. 

okay, then show me a pic of Dorian that has great seperation in his quads when viewed from the front ( a trait that most of the other top pros have)
go ahead.
you won't find one.
How can you say the guy was not overrated??

[Oliver Klaushof]

You guys are smoking crack. I posted several pics ND put together showing DOZ destroying Ronnie Coleman in mandatory poses. Both men were about the same height. Most of Ronnie's weight is in his overdeveloped quads and stomach. Ronnie has a horrible chest and midsection. He couldn't touch Dorian in abs and thighs - another mandatory pose.

[Oliver Klaushof]

Show me a pic of Ronnie with a midsection like that, or a pic with Ronnie that has developed calves, or a pic of Ronnie without gyno.

[pumpster]

Let's compare Yate's yard-wide hips with Ron's too..

[Hulkster]

Ronnie has a horrible chest and midsection.

really?
I am still waiting for that quad pic..
Face it - if Dorian was so good you wouldn't be able to make a long list of problems - and problems that most amateurs can take him on (like arms, taper, and quad cuts).
the guy was as overrated as you could possibly get.
that has been shown time and time again..

look how amazing he was!!! (and note that if this pic had show his weak quads, it would have been head to toe one of the worst most musculars EVER SEEN! And this from a 6 time Mr. Olympia?
give me a break.

Overrated to the max.

[Hulkster]

Show me a pic of Ronnie with a midsection like that

overall this pose takes Dorian's- Ronnie's quads KILL dorian's, and his abs (while not quite as good) are not that bad.
If we go even farther back, Yates gets crushed in the ab and thigh:

Facts are Facts: if we compare Dorian at his best to Ronnie in say 2001 or 2002 then sure Dorian takes him.
but at most time in his career, Ronnie is far and above Dorian:

can you imagine if Dorian "waist as wide as a yard" Yates stood next to this onstage? Total domination.

[suckmymuscle]

really?
I am still waiting for that quad pic..
Face it - if Dorian was so good you wouldn't be able to make a long list of problems - and problems that most amateurs can take him on (like arms, taper, and quad cuts).
the guy was as overrated as you could possibly get.
that has been shown time and time again..

look how amazing he was!!! (and note that if this pic had show his weak quads, it would have been head to toe one of the worst most musculars EVER SEEN! And this from a 6 time Mr. Olympia?
give me a break.
Overrated to the max.

  So, you post a pic of Dorian from the 91 O, then compare it to Coleman at the 99 O, when he was at his best shape ever . Nice going, oh incisive one!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

You guys are smoking crack. I posted several pics ND put together showing DOZ destroying Ronnie Coleman in mandatory poses. Both men were about the same height. Most of Ronnie's weight is in his overdeveloped quads and stomach. Ronnie has a horrible chest and midsection. He couldn't touch Dorian in abs and thighs - another mandatory pose.

  Don't forget that, at a bodyweight above 260 lbs, Ronnie completely loses his structural symmetry:his shoulders-traps girdle overpowers his chest, while his waist completely overpowers his shoulders. Look at picks from both the 2003 and 2004 Os, and see how awful his tapper was.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

Jeez when will this stop.
Your champ yates lookin FANTASTIC!!

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[Hulkster]

hahahahahahahahaha - my god Yates was overrated.
good post sculpture.
and, suckmymuscle, that shot was from the 92 O, where Yates came in a little flat - but guess what?
He didn't look any better in 1993- his arms, chest and quads still sucked.

[rufjunk]

The point of the thread was to describe how Ronnie's physique changed following the 2000 olympia.
His stomach distended and his abs and facial structure enlarged. You can see that when comparing the pics from page two.
It's unfair to compare Dorian to Ronnie relative to muscle groups when you post pictures of Ronnie from 2000. The current Ronnie has a wretchid abdomen from GH use but he's massive.