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Obama Mocks Border Enforcement: "They'll Need A Moat" With Alligators
Real Clear Politics via Drudge ^ | 5/10/2011
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President Obama says Republicans will "never be satisfied" by the amount of border protection he has ordered.
"Even though we've answered these concerns, I've got to say i suspect there's still some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time. You know, they said 'we needed to triple the border patrol.' Well, now they're going to say we need to quadruple the border patrol, or they'll want a higher fence. Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they'll want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied.
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Lol...that's fucking hilarious. That's the kind of shit that makes me like Obama.
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So instead of addressing the problem, throw jabs at the opposition? All we have are politicians now, not leaders, a sad day indeed
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What problem? I'm all for opening the borders. This country was built on immigrants.
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What problem? I'm all for opening the borders. This country was built on immigrants.
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Yeah, cause we dont have enough unemployment and low skilled labor already depressing wages and savaging the taxpayers.
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Like I said - Obama's base
95% ers like Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre eho will vote for obama based on racial allegiance.
Gays like Bay, Chad,
Govt employees and union hacks belonging to ACORN, NEA, SEIU, AFL, etc.
EnviroNazis like KC
Guilt Ridden white dweebs like straw, TA, etc,
Racist hispanics like those wedded to the ideas of La Raza, AZTLAN, who advocate la conquista, etc.
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What problem? I'm all for opening the borders. This country was built on immigrants.
No we have no problem with illegal immigrants do we ::) Lets just let anyone in
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No we have no problem with illegal immigrants do we ::) Lets just let anyone in
Why shouldn't we? As long as they are working, paying taxes and contributing to society, what's the problem?
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Hey mindspin go check out my BATF thread and get back to me.
What a joke. This admn is TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORSE and you think the answer is letting more of these animals in over the border?
Unfucking real.
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Like I said - Obama's base
95% ers like Mal, Benny, Blacken, Andre eho will vote for obama based on racial allegiance.
Gays like Bay, Chad,
Govt employees and union hacks belonging to ACORN, NEA, SEIU, AFL, etc.
EnviroNazis like KC
Guilt Ridden white dweebs like straw, TA, etc,
Racist hispanics like those wedded to the ideas of La Raza, AZTLAN, who advocate la conquista, etc.
How about South Americans who came to this country with nothing and now are millionaires who have an under grad from Pepperdine and an MBA from Berkley and who run legitimate businesses that provide work and contribute to society? I fall into that group and I support Obama...
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Why shouldn't we? As long as they are working, paying taxes and contributing to society, what's the problem?
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Because more of them are on welfare and bleeding the system dry and we dont need any more low skilled labor. 1 Million applied for 60,000 Micky D's jobs. doesnt that tell you anything? Probably not.
We dont need anymore low skilled labor depressing wages and the job base. We need to send the low skilled home and seal the border shut, send the criminals home, and import Europeans and Asians with $ $ $ $ who want to start businesses and invest in the country, not bleed it dry like the leeches from south of the border.
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Hey mindspin go check out my BATF thread and get back to me.
What a joke. This admn is TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORSE and you think the answer is letting more of these animals in over the border?
Unfucking real.
LOL. Animals? I have a Mexican client (true story) that came into this country illegally. He now runs a $50 million company that employees over 300 people. The guy worked like a madman to get to where he is today.
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How about South Americans who came to this country with nothing and now are millionaires who have an under grad from Pepperdine and an MBA from Berkley and who run legitimate businesses that provide work and contribute to society? I fall into that group and I support Obama...
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Yeah, cause we should make laws based on .000001% of the those people. Got it.
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Because more of them are on welfare and bleeding the system dry and we dont need any more low skilled labor. 1 Million applied for 60,000 Micky D's jobs. doesnt that tell you anything? Probably not.
We dont need anymore low skilled labor depressing wages and the job base. We need to send the low skilled home and seal the border shut, send the criminals home, and import Europeans and Asians with $ $ $ $ who want to start businesses and invest in the country, not bleed it dry like the leeches from south of the border.
I agree on the whole welfare issue. But that has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. It has everything to do with a broken system that allows lazy people (illegal or not) to live off our taxes.
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LOL. Animals? I have a Mexican client (true story) that came into this country illegally. He now runs a $50 million company that employees over 300 people. The guy worked like a madman to get to where he is today.
Yeah, and for every story like that - we have 10,000 pedophiles, sex crimes, dwi deaths, id fraud, hit and run accidents, welfare fraud, food stamp fraud, gang rapes, home invasions, etc.
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Yeah, cause we should make laws based on .000001% of the those people. Got it.
Please ::) Do your research. And by that, I don't mean listen to Rush or Hannity...
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Please ::) Do your research. And by that, I don't mean listen to Rush or Hannity...
All the stats show that immigrants from south of the border are more likely to be on welfare than even home grown people. Ill post it later and have posted it hear before.
Funny too - Mexico or any of the other countries where these people are coming from does not permit the same chaos in their countries the open borders crowd here advocates.
Go figure.
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Illegal Immigration Facts & Statistics
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"In October 2008, the illegal immigrant population stood at 11.9 million according to the Pew Hispanic Center."
(NumbersUSA).
"The U.S. Census Bureau showed that the nation's immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached nearly 38 million in March 2007, one-third of which are comprised of illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"If immigration continues at current levels, the nation's population will increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060 - a 167 million, or 56% increase.
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"There are approximately 7.7 million illegal aliens employed in U.S. jobs in 2008."
(NumbersUSA).
"A 1997 study by the American Academy of Sciences found that the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and poor immigrants caused a 44% decrease in wages among the poorest Americans from 1980 to 1994."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"Amnesty for illegal immigrants will cause costs to increase significantly from $10.4 billion a year to $28.8 billion. This is because an amnesty program would transform an illegal immigrant to an "unskilled immigrant with legal status" who could access various government programs. However, due to low income, these "unskilled immigrants with legal status" would likely make very modest tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"Tax payments in illegal households are only 28% of other households primarily due to much lower levels in education, which subsequently results in low incomes and even lower tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"A strategy of attrition through enforcement, which includes mandatory workplace verification and measures to curb misuse of Social Security numbers, could reduce the illegal population by as many as 1.5 million illegal immigrants each year."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"In 2007, E-Verify, a system to determine legal employment eligibility, received about 3 million queries, of which 157,000 were found to be unauthorized to work despite having previously evaded the paper version of the I-9 process, thus stopping their illegal employment."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
" Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"25-50% of all gangsters arrested in the criminal gang suppression efforts in northern and western Virginia are estimated to be illegal immigrants."
(Study for Immigration Studies).
"Gang investigators in Virginia estimate that 90% of the members of MS-13, the most notorious immigrant gang, are illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"The defeat of the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act of 2007 prevented the legalization of some 60,000 illegal immigrants, by providing them in-state college tuition and other education and government benefits not available to legal immigrants or citizens."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
"The DREAM Act also would have set in motion a process for potentially amnestying 2.1 million illegal immigrants, not counting the 1.4 million parents and siblings who would also likely have been legalized."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
Please note:
Each bullet point has a link to where the statistic could be found. For overall citation of the issue of Illegal Immigration in accordance to NumbersUSA, refer to
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/issues/illegal-immigration.html
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How about South Americans who came to this country with nothing and now are millionaires who have an under grad from Pepperdine and an MBA from Berkley and who run legitimate businesses that provide work and contribute to society? I fall into that group and I support Obama...
Berklee College of Music? didn't know they did MBAs.
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Most of those stats are in fact true. There are that many Hispanics. And they do work on lower wages. And that does result in a decrease in wages for Americans. Guess what? That's a fucking GREAT thing! I don't want to pay $20 for a bag of strawberries. I don't want to pay more than $200 for my gardner. They are willing to work more for less. And I benefit from that.
Now, you do have some outlandish stats on there that might work on some rightwing retard redneck that hates Mexicans, but all you have to do is read closely to realize that it's just a bunch of sensationalistic bullshit. Let's examine your stat in big bold red letters.
"Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories."
(Center for Immigration Studies).
Hmmm, the "Center for Immigration Studies". Sounds legit doesn't it? Too bad that EVERYTHING they publish is geared toward Immigration reduction in the United States. And they're executive director, is none other than Mark Krikorian. This is another racist right wing organization that produces mountains of facts based bullshit. Is this really who you are using as your source of info? No wonder you're so fired up.
But let's look closer at that stat: "...80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations". LOL!!! Serious crimes AND immigration violations? How about we look at each independently? I would imagine that 100% have committed immigration violations since they are here illegally ::) Let's see, 40% have Violent Crime Histories? Really? 40%? Please do show me that study. I want to read it.
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Oh brother...more scare tactics. Low wage workers strengthen our country. Why should I be forced to pay someone $15/hr when another person is willing to do it for $5/hr? Or, why should you have to pay $20 for a jar of jelly, when it could be made available for half that amount? These are rhetorical questions...don't bother copying and posting another page full of nonsense.
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Why shouldn't we? As long as they are working, paying taxes and contributing to society, what's the problem?
As long as it is done legally, nothing. If done illegally, well then its illegal, whats the point of having laws if they aren't enforced?
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Because those who are here LEGALLY can't compete w illegals. And once you make the current crop of illegals legal, a new crop and flod of illegals will flood the nation.
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Because those who are here LEGALLY can't compete w illegals. And once you make the current crop of illegals legal, a new crop and flod of illegals will flood the nation.
would you vote for any republican in the primary who has said they would support Amnesty?
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As long as it is done legally, nothing. If done illegally, well then its illegal, whats the point of having laws if they aren't enforced?
Slavery was once legal....
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Because those who are here LEGALLY can't compete w illegals. And once you make the current crop of illegals legal, a new crop and flod of illegals will flood the nation.
please elaborate...
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Study: 70% of Texas' illegal immigrant families receive welfare
Thirteen years after Congress overhauled the American welfare system, 57 percent of immigrants with children — those in the country legally or not — use at least one government, welfare program according to a report released Tuesday by the Center for Immigration Studies.
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In comparison, 39 percent of native-born Americans with children are signed up for welfare, the report found.
In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance, with illegal immigrants generally receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, according to the study, written by a think tank that favors reducing immigration into the U.S.
Overall, Texas tied with California and New York for the second highest immigrant welfare rates behind Arizona.
http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/04/study_immigrants_with_children.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Ftxpotomac+%28Texas+on+the+Potomac%29
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Slavery was once legal....
And coke used to contain cocaine,whats your point?
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the flip side to that is that if you're illegal in this country, it's hard to get any kind of job that would get you off welfare. so this is hardly surprising.
Study: 70% of Texas' illegal immigrant families receive welfare
Thirteen years after Congress overhauled the American welfare system, 57 percent of immigrants with children — those in the country legally or not — use at least one government, welfare program according to a report released Tuesday by the Center for Immigration Studies.
Immigration logo 125.jpg
In comparison, 39 percent of native-born Americans with children are signed up for welfare, the report found.
In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance, with illegal immigrants generally receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, according to the study, written by a think tank that favors reducing immigration into the U.S.
Overall, Texas tied with California and New York for the second highest immigrant welfare rates behind Arizona.
http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/04/study_immigrants_with_children.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+houstonchronicle%2Ftxpotomac+%28Texas+on+the+Potomac%29
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Simpsom mazoli bill - look it up.
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How the hell can an illegal receive welfare?
I mean, they discover you are an illegal, they begin deportation. Is it that whole appeal process?
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Oh please. The case workers push it through bc it means job security.
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I think CALworks will automatically give you money if you have young kids who are citizens... Taxes probably has something like that.
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And coke used to contain cocaine,whats your point?
Just because something is the "law" doesn't mean shit. Getting head is still illegal in some states...
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Just because something is the "law" doesn't mean shit. Getting head is still illegal in some states...
Oh the law doesn't mean shit? Really? So if I'm going by your house and decide I want all your stuff, you wouldn't have a problem with me taking it? After all the law doesn't mean shit
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Every other first-world country on the planet enforces its borders. Even the liberal, multicultural-loving EU is building a wall on the borders with Turkey and stationing troops there to keep all the Muslim riff-raff out.
Only in America. ::)
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What a joke. According to mindspin we should make laws based on the .001 percent vs the large portion who cost the taxpayer billions.
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Obama on border today; can he explain Holder’s ‘Gunrunner’ discrepancy?
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 10 May, 2011 | Dave Workman
Posted on May 10, 2011 9:59:42 PM EDT by marktwain
While President Obama is down on the border today talking about immigration reform, will anyone ask about a serious discrepancy in Attorney General Eric Holder’s testimony before Congress last week, during which he claimed to have not known about the Project Gunrunner controversy until a few weeks ago.
During an interview with Chicago’s WLS-AM’s Don Wade and Roma Friday, Sen. Charles Grassley revealed that he personally handed copies of letters sent on Jan. 27 and a Jan. 31 to Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson, detailing the senator’s concerns about the gun sting, operated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. This column confirmed that January meeting with a Grassley aide this morning. Sen. Grassley subsequently sent other letters to Holder on the Gunrunner controversy, on Feb. 9 and on Feb. 16, and again on March 3. For Holder to have such a memory lapse may be one reason why the Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms called on Holder to step down. Ten days ago in Pittsburgh, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre also said Holder should go, which this column reported.
During his radio interview (click here), Grassley told WLS:
"But I'm kind of flabbergasted by him saying to the House that he really didn't know about this till just lately because on January 31, I personally handed him a letter so that he would know about my investigation and know about this gun runner situation, but they don't seem to be willing to own up to it.”—Sen. Charles Grassley to WLS
The president today is in El Paso reportedly courting Latino voters and in Austin to collect campaign cash. So far, he has insisted to Univision that he did not approve the operation,
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
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Obama Claims He’s Done All GOP Wanted on Border Security, Now They Must Pass Amnesty
CNSNews ^
Posted on May 10, 2011 8:01:56 PM EDT by Sub-Driver
Obama Claims He’s Done All GOP Wanted on Border Security, Now They Must Pass Amnesty Tuesday, May 10, 2011 By Fred Lucas
Obama lame duck
(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama told a border crowd in Texas today that he had addressed the border security concerns of Republicans, and now was calling on GOP lawmakers to support his push to grant legal status to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens. Obama made his remarks in El Paso, which is just across the border from Juarez, one of the most violent cities in Mexico.
“So, we have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement,” Obama said to a supportive crowd. “But even though we’ve answered these concerns, I suspect there will be those who will try to move the goal posts one more time.”
“They’ll say we need to triple the border patrol,” said the president. “Or quadruple the border patrol. They’ll say we need a higher fence to support reform. Maybe they’ll say we need a moat. Or alligators in the moat.”
The president offered essentially the same proposal that was considered by Congress in 2005 and 2007.
“The question is whether those in Congress who previously walked away in the name of enforcement are now ready to come back to the table and finish the work we’ve started,” he said. “We have to put the politics aside.”
At one point in the speech, Obama said, “They wanted a fence,” which prompted boos from the crowd before he said, “Well, that fence is now basically complete.”
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Slavery was once legal....
You made some good points even though I disagree with a few but this one makes zero sense in this instance.
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You made some good points even though I disagree with a few but this one makes zero sense in this instance.
Someone said we should keep the "illegals" out because it's the law. My response was that just because something is the law doesn't mean that it's right. the law use to say that owning slaves was okay. I think we all agree that in that case the law was wrong. Perhaps it's wrong in this case as well.
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Slavery was once legal....
Free labor...
Midspin, I deal with people who are illegally on my job, and not just Latinos. Russians, Africans, Middle Easterners, and the prevalant attitude is "I don't give a f***k!", many will scam, and steal, and make it harder for the people of said ethnicities. I've had a Guatamalan tell me that this is the United States of Amercas (emphasis on the s), many, due to being here illegally, drive w/o licenese, or insurance, and then drive drunk...and when they hit your car, they claim that they didn't know or it wasn't them...sure many come to work here, but it is how they got here...And people who usually break the law, think that they can break other laws---the hand in the cookie jar syndrome...
And don't let it be a West African, ohhhh, you want to talk about crafty...they know more about your own business and how to run it, without the MBA, and give them enough room, they become you, and you are none the wiser...until he hits someone-and he is drivinga expensive car in your name, that you bought, yet he is illegal and has been in and out of the country on various different issues.
the solution is to take the hard ass road, and say "you have to go", and enforce it. Enforce it also by giving huge fines to companies and corporations who hire illegal immigrants...fines so big that said companies wouldn't want to even think about hiring a illegal immigrant, or they might risk going out of business.
Because bottom line, it's about exploitation-companies are exploiting the illegal immigrants, and in return they are exploiting the American people...
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Just because something is the "law" doesn't mean shit. Getting head is still illegal in some states...
Proof that having an MBA and being a millionaire doesn't prevent you from making stupid statements. Tu eres un idiota. Afuera con las ilegales cucarachas y gusanos.
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Hey mindspin - what if I show up with my crew to your place with my ak's, ar's, shotguns, glocks, etc and steal all your shit?
Hey its techincally illegal, but so what according to you right?
GMAFB - enough is enough with this crap. Amazing too how liberal socialist blacks like andre, Mal, Benny, Blacken, and others dont see the connection between near record levels of unemployment for black men and illegal immigration. Same for idiot teens who cant find work.
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Hey mindspin - what if I show up with my crew to your place with my ak's, ar's, shotguns, glocks, etc and steal all your shit?
Hey its techincally illegal, but so what according to you right?
I tell you. That is the garbage propaganda of La Raza and other associations pushing for open borders. Comparing slavery laws from 200 years ago to illegal immigration laws in present day. Are you kidding me? That is like gays comparing their push for same sex marriages to the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. Unbelievable what passes through the minds of these people. And the sad thing is they actually believe there is logic to those notions.
What are they going to say next? "Well, native americans were here first. Oh and Mexicans had these lands at one time, they are just taking back what is theirs." LOL!!! Yeah, every other nation in the planet enforces their borders. Ask a Guatemalan about how difficult it was to get through Mexico. Look at the stats of how each nation treats and has absolutely no problems with kicking out illegals. But, somehow, it has to be different with the USA. Somehow there should be open borders for the USA. Hell with that. They need to wait on line like everyone else.
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This is why I have ZZZZEEEERRRROOOOOOO sympathy for left wing socialist minorities who complain about jobs, etc. They support this illegal alien crappola and the politicians like obama who promise this chaos. so fuck em as far as I am concerned.
I'm not kidding, if liberal minorities and other idiots are so stupid and uninformed to support the very things that are destroying their ability to get jobs, and be told of it time and time again, am I supposed to feel bad about it?
Importing millions of low skilled illegals from mexico directly hurts blacks and teens looking for entry level work, yet these same groups will support a communist agitator and grifter like obama in this. Freaking idiots. They deserve what they vote for.
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Obama also lied his ass off about the Fence, which is only about 40% complete and lacks further funding.
Screw him. His good feelings over OBL are now gone.
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He is playing with stats. Sure, most of the fence that was authorized to be built has been completed. But, that fence did not cover the entire border. He is right based on what congress had ordered to be built, but where he falters is implying that the border is secured. The border is not secured because the fence is not along the entire border and the amounts of agents on that border is still not enough.
Look what ABC states:
1) “They wanted a fence,” the president said. “Well, that fence is now basically complete.”
The president is referring to the fact that 649 miles of fencing have been completed out of 652 miles of fencing mandated by Congress. (Out of 1,969 miles of border with Mexico.) That is factually correct, according to a February 2011 study of the border by the Government Accountability Office.
But that standard ignores calls some on the border have made for the fence to be made more impenetrable. Some have called for “double-fencing”; only approximately 30 miles of fence are so reinforced, in San Diego, California and Yuma, Arizona.
More to the point, the border remains quite porous.
The Border Patrol, per the GAO study, has achieved “varying levels of operational control for 873 of the nearly 2,000 southwest border miles at the end of fiscal year 2010…GAO’s preliminary analysis of the 873 border miles under operational control in 2010 showed that about 129 miles (15 percent) were classified as ‘controlled’ and the remaining 85 percent were classified as ‘managed.’”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/05/from-the-fact-check-desk-president-obamas-speech-on-immigration-reform-.html
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the flip side to that is that if you're illegal in this country, it's hard to get any kind of job that would get you off welfare. so this is hardly surprising.
The point is that 7 out of 10 Illegals that come to the US are being supported by the tax payers in some form or another!
And anyone that thinks we as a Nation can afford this (and should let even more in) needs a serious reality check. You can go State by State and see that the States with the highest amount of Illegals, are also the States with the highest amount of debt, and we simply can not afford this anymore, and Mindspin's story about a few that come here and don't go on welfare do not overshadow the fact that the majority (7 out of 10) do! Just go by your local Welfare office full of Illegals, and take a look, and then go to your local hospital and take a look at the emergency room (full of illegals) then also the Maternity Ward, and view all the anchor babies being born from Illegals that wont be paying a dime of that Bill, then also find out how many Illegals are overcrowding our Schools, and our Prisons systems. The reality is that we are broke, and this has to stop.
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So much for the "civil tone" he called for. What a farce.
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Yeah, and for every story like that - we have 10,000 pedophiles, sex crimes, dwi deaths, id fraud, hit and run accidents, welfare fraud, food stamp fraud, gang rapes, home invasions, etc.
first off.. arent those the same?
ahhhh the glen beck buckshot approach again... also.. do you have the numbers to back such a claim
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first off.. arent those the same?
ahhhh the glen beck buckshot approach again... also.. do you have the numbers to back such a claim
Which ones?
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Which ones?
for every 1 success story, there are 10,000 that commit violent crimes
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http://www.cis.org/node/54
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The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Heather Mac Donald
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
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Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.
I asked the Miami Police Department’s spokesman, Detective Delrish Moss, about his employer’s policy on lawbreaking illegals. In September, the force arrested a Honduran visa violator for seven vicious rapes. The previous year, Miami cops had had the suspect in custody for lewd and lascivious molestation, without checking his immigration status. Had they done so, they would have discovered his visa overstay, a deportable offense, and so could have forestalled the rapes. “We have shied away from unnecessary involvement dealing with immigration issues,” explains Moss, choosing his words carefully, “because of our large immigrant population.”
Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:
• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.
Those non–gang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business.
Cops and prosecutors universally know the immigration status of these non-gang “Hollywood dealers,” as the city attorney calls them, but the gang injunction is assiduously silent on the matter. And if a Hollywood officer were to arrest an illegal dealer (known on the street as a “border brother”) for his immigration status, or even notify the Immigration and Naturalization Service (since early 2003, absorbed into the new Department of Homeland Security), he would face severe discipline for violating Special Order 40, the city’s sanctuary policy.
L.A.’s sanctuary law and all others like it contradict a key 1990s policing discovery: the Great Chain of Being in criminal behavior. Pick up a law-violator for a “minor” crime, and you might well prevent a major crime: enforcing graffiti and turnstile-jumping laws nabs you murderers and robbers. Enforcing known immigration violations, such as reentry following deportation, against known felons, would be even more productive. LAPD officers recognize illegal deported gang members all the time—flashing gang signs at court hearings for rival gangbangers, hanging out on the corner, or casing a target. These illegal returnees are, simply by being in the country after deportation, committing a felony (in contrast to garden-variety illegals on their first trip to the U.S., say, who are only committing a misdemeanor). “But if I see a deportee from the Mara Salvatrucha [Salvadoran prison] gang crossing the street, I know I can’t touch him,” laments a Los Angeles gang officer. Only if the deported felon has given the officer some other reason to stop him, such as an observed narcotics sale, can the cop accost him—but not for the immigration felony.
The real reason cities prohibit their cops and other employees from immigration reporting and enforcement is, like nearly everything else in immigration policy, the numbers. The immigrant population has grown so large that public officials are terrified of alienating it, even at the expense of ignoring the law and tolerating violence. In 1996, a breathtaking Los Angeles Times exposé on the 18th Street Gang, which included descriptions of innocent bystanders being murdered by laughing cholos (gang members), revealed the rate of illegal-alien membership in the gang. In response to the public outcry, the Los Angeles City Council ordered the police to reexamine Special Order 40. You would have thought it had suggested reconsidering Roe v. Wade. A police commander warned the council: “This is going to open a significant, heated debate.” City Councilwoman Laura Chick put on a brave front: “We mustn’t be afraid,” she declared firmly.
But of course immigrant pandering trumped public safety. Law-abiding residents of gang-infested neighborhoods may live in terror of the tattooed gangbangers dealing drugs, spraying graffiti, and shooting up rivals outside their homes, but such anxiety can never equal a politician’s fear of offending Hispanics. At the start of the reexamination process, LAPD deputy chief John White had argued that allowing the department to work closely with the INS would give cops another tool for getting gang members off the streets. Trying to build a homicide case, say, against an illegal gang member is often futile, he explained, since witnesses fear deadly retaliation if they cooperate with the police. Enforcing an immigration violation would allow the cops to lock up the murderer right now, without putting a witness’s life at risk.
New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.
Citizen outrage forced Mayor Michael Bloomberg to revisit the city’s sanctuary decree yet again. In May 2003, Bloomberg tweaked the policy minimally to allow city staffers to inquire into immigration status only if it is relevant to the awarding of a government benefit. Though Bloomberg’s new rule said nothing about reporting immigration violations to federal officials, advocates immediately claimed that it did allow such reporting, and the ethnic lobbies went ballistic. “What we’re seeing is the erosion of people’s rights,” thundered Angelo Falcon of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund. After three months of intense agitation by immigrant groups, Bloomberg replaced this innocuous “don’t ask” policy with a “don’t tell” rule even broader than Gotham’s original sanctuary policy. The new rule prohibits city employees from giving other government officials information not just about immigration status but about tax payments, sexual orientation, welfare status, and other matters.
But even were immigrant-saturated cities to discard their sanctuary policies and start enforcing immigration violations where public safety demands it, the resource-starved immigration authorities couldn’t handle the overwhelming additional workload.
The chronic shortage of manpower to oversee, and detention space to house, aliens as they await their deportation hearings (or, following an order of removal from a federal judge, their actual deportation) has forced immigration officials to practice a constant triage. Long ago, the feds stopped trying to find and deport aliens who had “merely” entered the country illegally through stealth or fraudulent documents. Currently, the only types of illegal aliens who run any risk of catching federal attention are those who have been convicted of an “aggravated felony” (a particularly egregious crime) or who have been deported following conviction for an aggravated felony and who have reentered (an offense punishable with 20 years in jail).
That triage has been going on for a long time, as former INS investigator Mike Cutler, who worked with the NYPD catching Brooklyn drug dealers in the 1970s, explains. “If you arrested someone you wanted to detain, you’d go to your boss and start a bidding war,” Cutler recalls. “You’d say: 'My guy ran three blocks, threw a couple of punches, and had six pieces of ID.' The boss would turn to another agent: 'Next! Whaddid your guy do?' 'He ran 18 blocks, pushed over an old lady, and had a gun.' ” But such one-upmanship was usually fruitless. “Without the jail space,” explains Cutler, “it was like the Fish and Wildlife Service; you’d tag their ear and let them go.”
But even when immigration officials actually arrest someone, and even if a judge issues a final deportation order (usually after years of litigation and appeals), they rarely have the manpower to put the alien on a bus or plane and take him across the border. Second alternative: detain him pending removal. Again, inadequate space and staff. In the early 1990s, for example, 15 INS officers were in charge of the deportation of approximately 85,000 aliens (not all of them criminals) in New York City. The agency’s actual response to final orders of removal was what is known as a “run letter”—a notice asking the deportable alien kindly to show up in a month or two to be deported, when the agency might be able to process him. Results: in 2001, 87 percent of deportable aliens who received run letters disappeared, a number that was even higher—94 percent—if they were from terror-sponsoring countries.
To other law-enforcement agencies, the feds’ triage often looks like complete indifference to immigration violations. Testifying to Congress about the Queens rape by illegal Mexicans, New York’s criminal justice coordinator defended the city’s failure to notify the INS after the rapists’ previous arrests on the ground that the agency wouldn’t have responded anyway. “We have time and time again been unable to reach INS on the phone,” John Feinblatt said last February. “When we reach them on the phone, they require that we write a letter. When we write a letter, they require that it be by a superior.”
Criminal aliens also interpret the triage as indifference. John Mullaly a former NYPD homicide detective, estimates that 70 percent of the drug dealers and other criminals in Manhattan’s Washington Heights were illegal. Were Mullaly to threaten an illegal-alien thug in custody that his next stop would be El Salvador unless he cooperated, the criminal would just laugh, knowing that the INS would never show up. The message could not be clearer: this is a culture that can’t enforce its most basic law of entry. If policing’s broken-windows theory is correct, the failure to enforce one set of rules breeds overall contempt for the law.
The sheer number of criminal aliens overwhelmed an innovative program that would allow immigration officials to complete deportation hearings while a criminal was still in state or federal prison, so that upon his release he could be immediately ejected without taking up precious INS detention space. But the process, begun in 1988, immediately bogged down due to the numbers—in 2000, for example, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. The agency couldn’t find enough pro bono attorneys to represent such an army of criminal aliens (who have extensive due-process rights in contesting deportation) and so would have to request delay after delay. Or enough immigration judges would not be available. In 1997, the INS simply had no record of a whopping 36 percent of foreign-born inmates who had been released from federal and four state prisons without any review of their deportability. They included 1,198 aggravated felons, 80 of whom were soon re-arrested for new crimes.
Resource starvation is not the only reason for federal inaction. The INS was a creature of immigration politics, and INS district directors came under great pressure from local politicians to divert scarce resources into distribution of such “benefits” as permanent residency, citizenship, and work permits, and away from criminal or other investigations. In the late 1980s, for example, the INS refused to join an FBI task force against Haitian drug trafficking in Miami, fearing criticism for “Haitian-bashing.” In 1997, after Hispanic activists protested a much-publicized raid that netted nearly two dozen illegals, the Border Patrol said that it would no longer join Simi Valley, California, probation officers on home searches of illegal-alien-dominated gangs.
The disastrous Citizenship USA project of 1996 was a luminous case of politics driving the INS to sacrifice enforcement to “benefits.” When, in the early 1990s, the prospect of welfare reform drove immigrants to apply for citizenship in record numbers to preserve their welfare eligibility, the Clinton administration, seeing a political bonanza in hundreds of thousands of new welfare-dependent citizens, ordered the naturalization process radically expedited. Thanks to relentless administration pressure, processing errors in 1996 were 99 percent in New York and 90 percent in Los Angeles, and tens of thousands of aliens with criminal records, including for murder and armed robbery, were naturalized.
Another powerful political force, the immigration bar association, has won from Congress an elaborate set of due-process rights for criminal aliens that can keep them in the country indefinitely. Federal probation officers in Brooklyn are supervising two illegals—a Jordanian and an Egyptian with Saudi citizenship—who look “ready to blow up the Statue of Liberty,” according to a probation official, but the officers can’t get rid of them. The Jordanian had been caught fencing stolen Social Security and tax-refund checks; now he sells phone cards, which he uses himself to make untraceable calls. The Saudi’s offense: using a fraudulent Social Security number to get employment—a puzzlingly unnecessary scam, since he receives large sums from the Middle East, including from millionaire relatives. But intelligence links him to terrorism, so presumably he worked in order not to draw attention to himself. Currently, he changes his cell phone every month. Ordinarily such a minor offense would not be prosecuted, but the government, fearing that he had terrorist intentions, used whatever it had to put him in prison.
Now, probation officers desperately want to see the duo out of the country, but the two ex-cons have hired lawyers, who are relentlessly fighting their deportation. “Due process allows you to stay for years without an adjudication,” says a probation officer in frustration. “A regular immigration attorney can keep you in the country for three years, a high-priced one for ten.” In the meantime, Brooklyn probation officials are watching the bridges.
Even where immigration officials successfully nab and deport criminal aliens, the reality, says a former federal gang prosecutor, is that “they all come back. They can’t make it in Mexico.” The tens of thousands of illegal farmworkers and dishwashers who overpower U.S. border controls every year carry in their wake thousands of brutal assailants and terrorists who use the same smuggling industry and who benefit from the same irresistible odds: there are so many more of them than the Border Patrol.
For, of course, the government’s inability to keep out criminal aliens is part and parcel of its inability to patrol the border, period. For decades, the INS had as much effect on the migration of millions of illegals as a can tied to the tail of a tiger. And the immigrants themselves, despite the press cliché of hapless aliens living fearfully in the shadows, seemed to regard immigration authorities with all the concern of an elephant for a flea.
Certainly fear of immigration officers is not in evidence among the hundreds of illegal day laborers who hang out on Roosevelt Avenue in Queens, New York, in front of money wire services, travel agencies, immigration-attorney offices, and phone arcades, all catering to the local Hispanic population (as well as to drug dealers and terrorists). “There is no chance of getting caught,” cheerfully explains Rafael, an Ecuadoran. Like the dozen Ecuadorans and Mexicans on his particular corner, Rafael is hoping that an SUV seeking carpenters for $100 a day will show up soon. “We don’t worry, because we’re not doing anything wrong. I know it’s illegal; I need the papers, but here, nobody asks you for papers.”
Even the newly fortified Mexican border, the one spot where the government really tries to prevent illegal immigration, looms as only a minor inconvenience to the day laborers. The odds, they realize, are overwhelmingly in their favor. Miguel, a reserved young carpenter, crossed the border at Tijuana three years ago with 15 others. Border Patrol spotted them, but with six officers to 16 illegals, only five got caught. In illegal border crossings, you get what you pay for, Miguel says. If you try to shave on the fee, the coyotes will abandon you at the first problem. Miguel’s wife was flying into New York from Los Angeles that very day; it had cost him $2,200 to get her across the border. “Because I pay, I don’t worry,” he says complacently.
The only way to dampen illegal immigration and its attendant train of criminals and terrorists—short of an economic revolution in the sending countries or an impregnably militarized border—is to remove the jobs magnet. As long as migrants know they can easily get work, they will find ways to evade border controls. But enforcing laws against illegal labor is among government’s lowest priorities. In 2001, only 124 agents nationwide were trying to find and prosecute the hundreds of thousands of employers and millions of illegal aliens who violate the employment laws, the Associated Press reports.
Even were immigration officials to devote adequate resources to worksite investigations, not much would change, because their legal weapons are so weak. That’s no accident: though it is a crime to hire illegal aliens, a coalition of libertarians, business lobbies, and left-wing advocates has consistently blocked the fraud-proof form of work authorization necessary to enforce that ban. Libertarians have erupted in hysteria at such proposals as a toll-free number to the Social Security Administration for employers to confirm Social Security numbers. Hispanics warn just as stridently that helping employers verify work eligibility would result in discrimination against Hispanics—implicitly conceding that vast numbers of Hispanics work illegally.
The result: hiring practices in illegal-immigrant-saturated industries are a charade. Millions of illegal workers pretend to present valid documents, and thousands of employers pretend to believe them. The law doesn’t require the employer to verify that a worker is actually qualified to work, and as long as the proffered documents are not patently phony—scrawled with red crayon on a matchbook, say—the employer will nearly always be exempt from liability merely by having eyeballed them. To find an employer guilty of violating the ban on hiring illegal aliens, immigration authorities must prove that he knew he was getting fake papers—an almost insurmountable burden. Meanwhile, the market for counterfeit documents has exploded: in one month alone in 1998, immigration authorities seized nearly 2 million of them in Los Angeles, destined for immigrant workers, welfare seekers, criminals, and terrorists.
Hispanic advocates have helped blur the distinction between a legal and an illegal resident by asserting that differentiating the two is an act of irrational bigotry. Arrests of illegal aliens inside the border now inevitably spark protests, often led by the Mexican government, that feature signs calling for “no más racismo.” Immigrant advocates use the language of “human rights” to appeal to an authority higher than such trivia as citizenship laws. They attack the term “amnesty” for implicitly acknowledging the validity of borders. Indeed, grouses Illinois congressman Luis Gutierrez, “There’s an implication that somehow you did something wrong and you need to be forgiven.”
Illegal aliens and their advocates speak loudly about what they think the U.S. owes them, not vice versa. “I believe they have a right . . . to work, to drive their kids to school,” said California assemblywoman Sarah Reyes. An immigration agent says that people he stops “get in your face about their rights, because our failure to enforce the law emboldens them.” Taking this idea to its extreme, Joaquín Avila, a UCLA Chicano studies professor and law lecturer, argues that to deny non-citizens the vote, especially in the many California cities where they constitute the majority, is a form of apartheid.
But the non-enforcement of immigration laws in general has an even more destructive effect. In many immigrant communities, assimilation into gangs seems to be outstripping assimilation into civic culture. Toddlers are learning to flash gang signals and hate the police, reports the Los Angeles Times. In New York City, “every high school has its Mexican gang,” and most 12- to 14-year-olds have already joined, claims Ernesto Vega, an illegal 18-year-old Mexican. Such pathologies only worsen when the first lesson that immigrants learn about U.S. law is that Americans don’t bother to enforce it. “Institutionalizing illegal immigration creates a mindset in people that anything goes in the U.S.,” observes Patrick Ortega, the news and public-affairs director of Radio Nueva Vida in southern California. “It creates a new subculture, with a sequela of social ills.” It is broken windows writ large.
For the sake of immigrants and native-born Americans alike, it’s time to decide what our immigration policy is—and enforce it.
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Dark side of illegal immigration: bankrupting America
Each year, illegal migration into the United States costs taxpayers a whopping $346 billion across 15 federal agencies. The costs below find sources from many other sites. Costs rise commensurate to the criminal alien population residing within each state.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English!
Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That adds up to $2 billion annually for all costs of incarceration of illegals. Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social
services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by
the illegal aliens.
Verify at: transcriptscnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a
half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security
Report: tinyurl.com/t9sht h ttp://tinyurl.com/t9sht>
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass
deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: www.nationalpolicyinstit ute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their
countries of origin.
Verify at: www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex
crimes are committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States.'
Verify at: www.drdsk.com/articleshtml< /STRONG> www.drdsk.com/articleshtml>
These aforementioned costs and more from other criminal alien activities add up to $346 billion annually out of the taxpayers’ pockets.
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INVASION USA
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=39031
Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
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Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 am Eastern
By Joseph Farah
© 2011 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.
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But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.
King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
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Far leftists could care less and want tocollapse this nation with open borders.
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How the hell can an illegal receive welfare?
I mean, they discover you are an illegal, they begin deportation. Is it that whole appeal process?
This is how:
Democrats Force U.S. TaxPayers to Fund Illegal Alien Welfare
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This is how:
Democrats Force U.S. TaxPayers to Fund Illegal Alien Welfare
woah that sucks!
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Someone said we should keep the "illegals" out because it's the law. My response was that just because something is the law doesn't mean that it's right. the law use to say that owning slaves was okay. I think we all agree that in that case the law was wrong. Perhaps it's wrong in this case as well.
So we should have no borders and people should just come and go as they please? Then whats the point of having a country? Whats the point of having a constitution? Whats the point of having any laws? Perhaps you should actually take some time to understand the context of why slavery was allowed in the first place. To put it bluntly, if slavery wasn't allowed at the time we would still be part of Britian. And yes slavery was corrected, at the cost of about 620,000 Americans. I fail to see what the problem is with enforcing our borders and protecting our country.
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Im utterly sick of these open borders illegal alien apologists. They are no different than looters, barbarians and pick pockets.
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Im utterly sick of these open borders illegal alien apologists. They are no different than looters, barbarians and pick pockets.
you are one angry little shit arent you
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you are one angry little shit arent you
Yeah, a taxpayer who sees this shit daily. Drive anywhere in yonkers, NY and it looks like Mexico city with these people just loafing around standing on stoops drinking beers, lined up and down the streets. Same with Pt Chester, NY, etc.
They totally destroyed the place.
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the flip side to that is that if you're illegal in this country, it's hard to get any kind of job that would get you off welfare. so this is hardly surprising.
An illegal immigrant should not be entitled to a job, welfare, education or any assistance what so ever from this country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Even their children should not be considered citizens.
If they can't find jobs, it is not the obligation of this country to feed them and their kids. They should go back to where they come from and come back legally.
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Accordingly to pelosi - these same bums are no different than TJ, GW, JM, JA, etc.
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Didn't that old hag Pelosi call illegal immigrants patriots or heroes?
The Democratic party is completely out of touch.
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Didn't that old hag Pelosi call illegal immigrants patriots or heroes?
The Democratic party is completely out of touch.
its both parties. they're completely paralyzed with fear of alienating hispanic voters.
obama will push for this amnesty bullshite, and most repubs will just lay down for it. he's using his capital from killing OBL and unfortunately, this is what he's using it for :(
it's inevitable. i've been saying it for years. every 2008 candidate on the ticket supported it... it was gonna happen no matter what party was in power... and they'll guide it in together cause nobody wants to be on the wrong side of it. Shitty bill will pass.
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Free labor...
Midspin, I deal with people who are illegally on my job, and not just Latinos. Russians, Africans, Middle Easterners, and the prevalant attitude is "I don't give a f***k!", many will scam, and steal, and make it harder for the people of said ethnicities. I've had a Guatamalan tell me that this is the United States of Amercas (emphasis on the s), many, due to being here illegally, drive w/o licenese, or insurance, and then drive drunk...and when they hit your car, they claim that they didn't know or it wasn't them...sure many come to work here, but it is how they got here...And people who usually break the law, think that they can break other laws---the hand in the cookie jar syndrome...
And don't let it be a West African, ohhhh, you want to talk about crafty...they know more about your own business and how to run it, without the MBA, and give them enough room, they become you, and you are none the wiser...until he hits someone-and he is drivinga expensive car in your name, that you bought, yet he is illegal and has been in and out of the country on various different issues.
the solution is to take the hard ass road, and say "you have to go", and enforce it. Enforce it also by giving huge fines to companies and corporations who hire illegal immigrants...fines so big that said companies wouldn't want to even think about hiring a illegal immigrant, or they might risk going out of business.
Because bottom line, it's about exploitation-companies are exploiting the illegal immigrants, and in return they are exploiting the American people...
I think the solution is to open the borders and require that immigrants come here to work, that they pay taxes and that they not have a violent criminal record. If you're already here illegaly and you've been working, paying your taxes and staying out of trouble then you should get to stay.
Here is an even better idea, if you're a lazy violent criminal then you should get thrown out of here....whether your an illegal or not. The bottom line for me, is that this country was built on the back of hard working immigrants (and free labor from African Americans). Let's not allow racist rednecks dictate how to deal with today's immigration challenges.
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How about we allow taxpayers and citizens here legally to make that call who are going to have to pay for this shit?
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http://www.cis.org/node/54
You keep citing the CIS are your source of data. I already exposed this organization and it's director as racist and biased. You might as well start quoting numbers from the KKK. Seriously, I lose all respect for your arguments when you resort to this....
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How about we allow taxpayers and citizens here legally to make that call who are going to have to pay for this shit?
Isn't that what we're doing. I'm a tax payer. So you are you. You get your vote. I get mine. We'll see who wins.
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How about South Americans who came to this country with nothing and now are millionaires who have an under grad from Pepperdine and an MBA from Berkley and who run legitimate businesses that provide work and contribute to society? I fall into that group and I support Obama...
You tell them, my Colombian brotha! ;D
Well, I don't support Obama. Obama hates Muslims and Blacks. >:(
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Ahhh, la cocaina. Si. Con la cocaina cualquiera puede empezar empresas en USA. MBA en distribucion de cocaina.
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Ahhh, la cocaina. Si. Con la cocaina cualquiera puede empezar empresas en USA. MBA en distribucion de cocaina.
Don't hate dario! That's not nice. That's an ugly stereotype.
MindSpin is an honest, educated and intelligent, hard working Colombian.
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You tell them, my Colombian brotha! ;D
Well, I don't support Obama. Obama hates Muslims and Blacks. >:(
Funny how mindspin wants to focu on the miniscule % of success stories and not the tremendous amount of welfare bums, criminals, pedos, leeches, etc.
For every millionaire illegal, there are thousands of worthless leeches.
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Funny how mindspin wants to focu on the miniscule % of success stories and not the tremendous amount of welfare bums, criminals, pedos, leeches, etc.
For every millionaire illegal, there are thousands of worthless leeches.
From what I have read, I do believe and agree with some of MindSpin's points. Illegal immigration is a very complex problem.
I do agree that the problem must be addressed, but simply rounding up illegals and deporting them won't solve anything.
And no American citizen will do the work that illegal immigrants do, not for the same low wages and not in the same terrible working conditions.
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Don't hate dario! That's not nice. That's an ugly stereotype.
MindSpin is an honest, educated and intelligent, hard working Colombian.
HEHEHEHEHE!! I was joking.
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That's utter crap. Its not complicated at all. If you are here ILLEGALLY - YOU GO THE FUCK HOME.
If you are able bodied and on welfare - FUCK YOU - GO TO WORK OR STARVE AND DIE
If you are here illegally and get busted committing a crime - DEPORTED
DWI OR OTHER MISDEAMEANORS ???? - DEPORTED
After a few years, most of these parasites will go home.
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Hahaha that was some good comedy right there! He's on fire right now. Roasting everyone.
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Reid: ‘We Need The People Of America To Rise Up’ For Amnesty Bill
CNSNews ^
Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:00:26 PM
Reid: ‘We Need The People Of America To Rise Up’ For Amnesty Bill Wednesday, May 11, 2011 By Eric Scheiner
(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is calling on Americans to ‘rise up’ and let them know how important the DREAM Act is to them.
Reid made the comments at a confrenece on Wednesday in support of the measure that would allow qualifying illegal aliens to obtain legal residence status.
“As was said yesterday in El Paso by the president, we need the people of America to rise up and indicate to each of us how important this legislation is,” Reid said.
“I believe that the people in America need to understand that these young men and women who want to be educated, who want to be able to serve the military. It’s good for everybody.”
Senator Reid along with Senators Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) say the Senate will bring the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act to the floor for a vote. The measure previously failed to pass during the lame duck session of the last congress when both chambers were under Democratic control.
The bill would allow qualifying illegal aliens to obtain legal residence status.
President Barack Obama addressed the previous failure of the DREAM Act and called for it’s future passage during his speech on immigration in El Paso, Texas yesterday.
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HEHEHEHEHE!! I was joking.
Okay. You reminded me of that movie Bedazzled, when the devil turns Brendan Fraser into a drug lord: "aye! es cocaina!" ;D
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Okay. You reminded me of that movie Bedazzled, when the devil turns Brendan Fraser into a drug lord: "aye! es cocaina!" ;D
One of the funniest movies ever. :)
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Okay. You reminded me of that movie Bedazzled, when the devil turns Brendan Fraser into a drug lord: "aye! es cocaina!" ;D
LOL!! I remember that. He wanted to be powerful and wealthy.
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One of the funniest movies ever. :)
Yup, I thought so too! :)
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Sounds like me. ;D
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Thats NYC boroughs. Whats funny is that NYC is a lot more than manhattan.
The real action is in the boroughs. Brooklyn, Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, etc.
great movie BTW.
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Obama Mocks Border Enforcement: "They'll Need A Moat" With Alligators
Real Clear Politics via Drudge ^ | 5/10/2011
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President Obama says Republicans will "never be satisfied" by the amount of border protection he has ordered.
"Even though we've answered these concerns, I've got to say i suspect there's still some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time. You know, they said 'we needed to triple the border patrol.' Well, now they're going to say we need to quadruple the border patrol, or they'll want a higher fence. Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they'll want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
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Correct - obama is a pile of shit. Fuck you and the other idiots like mal, andre, blacken, straw, et al for voting for him and foisting this pofs on the nation.
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I think the solution is to open the borders and require that immigrants come here to work, that they pay taxes and that they not have a violent criminal record. If you're already here illegaly and you've been working, paying your taxes and staying out of trouble then you should get to stay.
Here is an even better idea, if you're a lazy violent criminal then you should get thrown out of here....whether your an illegal or not. The bottom line for me, is that this country was built on the back of hard working immigrants (and free labor from African Americans). Let's not allow racist rednecks dictate how to deal with today's immigration challenges.
Huh? If you open the borders how are you going to enforce the policy of immigrants coming in to work? Or that they don't have a criminal record? Oh yeah and lets people stay who's first act is to break the law of the US. I get the feeling that you believe the only people involved in the slave trade were white, got news for you there were alot of "African American" slave traders/owners in the south.
Well that didn't take long to start labeling anyone who thinks the sovereignty of their country is important
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The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
Heather Mac Donald
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
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Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.
I asked the Miami Police Department’s spokesman, Detective Delrish Moss, about his employer’s policy on lawbreaking illegals. In September, the force arrested a Honduran visa violator for seven vicious rapes. The previous year, Miami cops had had the suspect in custody for lewd and lascivious molestation, without checking his immigration status. Had they done so, they would have discovered his visa overstay, a deportable offense, and so could have forestalled the rapes. “We have shied away from unnecessary involvement dealing with immigration issues,” explains Moss, choosing his words carefully, “because of our large immigrant population.”
Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:
• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.
Those non–gang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business.
Cops and prosecutors universally know the immigration status of these non-gang “Hollywood dealers,” as the city attorney calls them, but the gang injunction is assiduously silent on the matter. And if a Hollywood officer were to arrest an illegal dealer (known on the street as a “border brother”) for his immigration status, or even notify the Immigration and Naturalization Service (since early 2003, absorbed into the new Department of Homeland Security), he would face severe discipline for violating Special Order 40, the city’s sanctuary policy.
L.A.’s sanctuary law and all others like it contradict a key 1990s policing discovery: the Great Chain of Being in criminal behavior. Pick up a law-violator for a “minor” crime, and you might well prevent a major crime: enforcing graffiti and turnstile-jumping laws nabs you murderers and robbers. Enforcing known immigration violations, such as reentry following deportation, against known felons, would be even more productive. LAPD officers recognize illegal deported gang members all the time—flashing gang signs at court hearings for rival gangbangers, hanging out on the corner, or casing a target. These illegal returnees are, simply by being in the country after deportation, committing a felony (in contrast to garden-variety illegals on their first trip to the U.S., say, who are only committing a misdemeanor). “But if I see a deportee from the Mara Salvatrucha [Salvadoran prison] gang crossing the street, I know I can’t touch him,” laments a Los Angeles gang officer. Only if the deported felon has given the officer some other reason to stop him, such as an observed narcotics sale, can the cop accost him—but not for the immigration felony.
The real reason cities prohibit their cops and other employees from immigration reporting and enforcement is, like nearly everything else in immigration policy, the numbers. The immigrant population has grown so large that public officials are terrified of alienating it, even at the expense of ignoring the law and tolerating violence. In 1996, a breathtaking Los Angeles Times exposé on the 18th Street Gang, which included descriptions of innocent bystanders being murdered by laughing cholos (gang members), revealed the rate of illegal-alien membership in the gang. In response to the public outcry, the Los Angeles City Council ordered the police to reexamine Special Order 40. You would have thought it had suggested reconsidering Roe v. Wade. A police commander warned the council: “This is going to open a significant, heated debate.” City Councilwoman Laura Chick put on a brave front: “We mustn’t be afraid,” she declared firmly.
But of course immigrant pandering trumped public safety. Law-abiding residents of gang-infested neighborhoods may live in terror of the tattooed gangbangers dealing drugs, spraying graffiti, and shooting up rivals outside their homes, but such anxiety can never equal a politician’s fear of offending Hispanics. At the start of the reexamination process, LAPD deputy chief John White had argued that allowing the department to work closely with the INS would give cops another tool for getting gang members off the streets. Trying to build a homicide case, say, against an illegal gang member is often futile, he explained, since witnesses fear deadly retaliation if they cooperate with the police. Enforcing an immigration violation would allow the cops to lock up the murderer right now, without putting a witness’s life at risk.
New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.
Citizen outrage forced Mayor Michael Bloomberg to revisit the city’s sanctuary decree yet again. In May 2003, Bloomberg tweaked the policy minimally to allow city staffers to inquire into immigration status only if it is relevant to the awarding of a government benefit. Though Bloomberg’s new rule said nothing about reporting immigration violations to federal officials, advocates immediately claimed that it did allow such reporting, and the ethnic lobbies went ballistic. “What we’re seeing is the erosion of people’s rights,” thundered Angelo Falcon of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund. After three months of intense agitation by immigrant groups, Bloomberg replaced this innocuous “don’t ask” policy with a “don’t tell” rule even broader than Gotham’s original sanctuary policy. The new rule prohibits city employees from giving other government officials information not just about immigration status but about tax payments, sexual orientation, welfare status, and other matters.
But even were immigrant-saturated cities to discard their sanctuary policies and start enforcing immigration violations where public safety demands it, the resource-starved immigration authorities couldn’t handle the overwhelming additional workload.
The chronic shortage of manpower to oversee, and detention space to house, aliens as they await their deportation hearings (or, following an order of removal from a federal judge, their actual deportation) has forced immigration officials to practice a constant triage. Long ago, the feds stopped trying to find and deport aliens who had “merely” entered the country illegally through stealth or fraudulent documents. Currently, the only types of illegal aliens who run any risk of catching federal attention are those who have been convicted of an “aggravated felony” (a particularly egregious crime) or who have been deported following conviction for an aggravated felony and who have reentered (an offense punishable with 20 years in jail).
That triage has been going on for a long time, as former INS investigator Mike Cutler, who worked with the NYPD catching Brooklyn drug dealers in the 1970s, explains. “If you arrested someone you wanted to detain, you’d go to your boss and start a bidding war,” Cutler recalls. “You’d say: 'My guy ran three blocks, threw a couple of punches, and had six pieces of ID.' The boss would turn to another agent: 'Next! Whaddid your guy do?' 'He ran 18 blocks, pushed over an old lady, and had a gun.' ” But such one-upmanship was usually fruitless. “Without the jail space,” explains Cutler, “it was like the Fish and Wildlife Service; you’d tag their ear and let them go.”
But even when immigration officials actually arrest someone, and even if a judge issues a final deportation order (usually after years of litigation and appeals), they rarely have the manpower to put the alien on a bus or plane and take him across the border. Second alternative: detain him pending removal. Again, inadequate space and staff. In the early 1990s, for example, 15 INS officers were in charge of the deportation of approximately 85,000 aliens (not all of them criminals) in New York City. The agency’s actual response to final orders of removal was what is known as a “run letter”—a notice asking the deportable alien kindly to show up in a month or two to be deported, when the agency might be able to process him. Results: in 2001, 87 percent of deportable aliens who received run letters disappeared, a number that was even higher—94 percent—if they were from terror-sponsoring countries.
To other law-enforcement agencies, the feds’ triage often looks like complete indifference to immigration violations. Testifying to Congress about the Queens rape by illegal Mexicans, New York’s criminal justice coordinator defended the city’s failure to notify the INS after the rapists’ previous arrests on the ground that the agency wouldn’t have responded anyway. “We have time and time again been unable to reach INS on the phone,” John Feinblatt said last February. “When we reach them on the phone, they require that we write a letter. When we write a letter, they require that it be by a superior.”
Criminal aliens also interpret the triage as indifference. John Mullaly a former NYPD homicide detective, estimates that 70 percent of the drug dealers and other criminals in Manhattan’s Washington Heights were illegal. Were Mullaly to threaten an illegal-alien thug in custody that his next stop would be El Salvador unless he cooperated, the criminal would just laugh, knowing that the INS would never show up. The message could not be clearer: this is a culture that can’t enforce its most basic law of entry. If policing’s broken-windows theory is correct, the failure to enforce one set of rules breeds overall contempt for the law.
The sheer number of criminal aliens overwhelmed an innovative program that would allow immigration officials to complete deportation hearings while a criminal was still in state or federal prison, so that upon his release he could be immediately ejected without taking up precious INS detention space. But the process, begun in 1988, immediately bogged down due to the numbers—in 2000, for example, nearly 30 percent of federal prisoners were foreign-born. The agency couldn’t find enough pro bono attorneys to represent such an army of criminal aliens (who have extensive due-process rights in contesting deportation) and so would have to request delay after delay. Or enough immigration judges would not be available. In 1997, the INS simply had no record of a whopping 36 percent of foreign-born inmates who had been released from federal and four state prisons without any review of their deportability. They included 1,198 aggravated felons, 80 of whom were soon re-arrested for new crimes.
Resource starvation is not the only reason for federal inaction. The INS was a creature of immigration politics, and INS district directors came under great pressure from local politicians to divert scarce resources into distribution of such “benefits” as permanent residency, citizenship, and work permits, and away from criminal or other investigations. In the late 1980s, for example, the INS refused to join an FBI task force against Haitian drug trafficking in Miami, fearing criticism for “Haitian-bashing.” In 1997, after Hispanic activists protested a much-publicized raid that netted nearly two dozen illegals, the Border Patrol said that it would no longer join Simi Valley, California, probation officers on home searches of illegal-alien-dominated gangs.
The disastrous Citizenship USA project of 1996 was a luminous case of politics driving the INS to sacrifice enforcement to “benefits.” When, in the early 1990s, the prospect of welfare reform drove immigrants to apply for citizenship in record numbers to preserve their welfare eligibility, the Clinton administration, seeing a political bonanza in hundreds of thousands of new welfare-dependent citizens, ordered the naturalization process radically expedited. Thanks to relentless administration pressure, processing errors in 1996 were 99 percent in New York and 90 percent in Los Angeles, and tens of thousands of aliens with criminal records, including for murder and armed robbery, were naturalized.
Another powerful political force, the immigration bar association, has won from Congress an elaborate set of due-process rights for criminal aliens that can keep them in the country indefinitely. Federal probation officers in Brooklyn are supervising two illegals—a Jordanian and an Egyptian with Saudi citizenship—who look “ready to blow up the Statue of Liberty,” according to a probation official, but the officers can’t get rid of them. The Jordanian had been caught fencing stolen Social Security and tax-refund checks; now he sells phone cards, which he uses himself to make untraceable calls. The Saudi’s offense: using a fraudulent Social Security number to get employment—a puzzlingly unnecessary scam, since he receives large sums from the Middle East, including from millionaire relatives. But intelligence links him to terrorism, so presumably he worked in order not to draw attention to himself. Currently, he changes his cell phone every month. Ordinarily such a minor offense would not be prosecuted, but the government, fearing that he had terrorist intentions, used whatever it had to put him in prison.
Now, probation officers desperately want to see the duo out of the country, but the two ex-cons have hired lawyers, who are relentlessly fighting their deportation. “Due process allows you to stay for years without an adjudication,” says a probation officer in frustration. “A regular immigration attorney can keep you in the country for three years, a high-priced one for ten.” In the meantime, Brooklyn probation officials are watching the bridges.
Even where immigration officials successfully nab and deport criminal aliens, the reality, says a former federal gang prosecutor, is that “they all come back. They can’t make it in Mexico.” The tens of thousands of illegal farmworkers and dishwashers who overpower U.S. border controls every year carry in their wake thousands of brutal assailants and terrorists who use the same smuggling industry and who benefit from the same irresistible odds: there are so many more of them than the Border Patrol.
For, of course, the government’s inability to keep out criminal aliens is part and parcel of its inability to patrol the border, period. For decades, the INS had as much effect on the migration of millions of illegals as a can tied to the tail of a tiger. And the immigrants themselves, despite the press cliché of hapless aliens living fearfully in the shadows, seemed to regard immigration authorities with all the concern of an elephant for a flea.
Certainly fear of immigration officers is not in evidence among the hundreds of illegal day laborers who hang out on Roosevelt Avenue in Queens, New York, in front of money wire services, travel agencies, immigration-attorney offices, and phone arcades, all catering to the local Hispanic population (as well as to drug dealers and terrorists). “There is no chance of getting caught,” cheerfully explains Rafael, an Ecuadoran. Like the dozen Ecuadorans and Mexicans on his particular corner, Rafael is hoping that an SUV seeking carpenters for $100 a day will show up soon. “We don’t worry, because we’re not doing anything wrong. I know it’s illegal; I need the papers, but here, nobody asks you for papers.”
Even the newly fortified Mexican border, the one spot where the government really tries to prevent illegal immigration, looms as only a minor inconvenience to the day laborers. The odds, they realize, are overwhelmingly in their favor. Miguel, a reserved young carpenter, crossed the border at Tijuana three years ago with 15 others. Border Patrol spotted them, but with six officers to 16 illegals, only five got caught. In illegal border crossings, you get what you pay for, Miguel says. If you try to shave on the fee, the coyotes will abandon you at the first problem. Miguel’s wife was flying into New York from Los Angeles that very day; it had cost him $2,200 to get her across the border. “Because I pay, I don’t worry,” he says complacently.
The only way to dampen illegal immigration and its attendant train of criminals and terrorists—short of an economic revolution in the sending countries or an impregnably militarized border—is to remove the jobs magnet. As long as migrants know they can easily get work, they will find ways to evade border controls. But enforcing laws against illegal labor is among government’s lowest priorities. In 2001, only 124 agents nationwide were trying to find and prosecute the hundreds of thousands of employers and millions of illegal aliens who violate the employment laws, the Associated Press reports.
Even were immigration officials to devote adequate resources to worksite investigations, not much would change, because their legal weapons are so weak. That’s no accident: though it is a crime to hire illegal aliens, a coalition of libertarians, business lobbies, and left-wing advocates has consistently blocked the fraud-proof form of work authorization necessary to enforce that ban. Libertarians have erupted in hysteria at such proposals as a toll-free number to the Social Security Administration for employers to confirm Social Security numbers. Hispanics warn just as stridently that helping employers verify work eligibility would result in discrimination against Hispanics—implicitly conceding that vast numbers of Hispanics work illegally.
The result: hiring practices in illegal-immigrant-saturated industries are a charade. Millions of illegal workers pretend to present valid documents, and thousands of employers pretend to believe them. The law doesn’t require the employer to verify that a worker is actually qualified to work, and as long as the proffered documents are not patently phony—scrawled with red crayon on a matchbook, say—the employer will nearly always be exempt from liability merely by having eyeballed them. To find an employer guilty of violating the ban on hiring illegal aliens, immigration authorities must prove that he knew he was getting fake papers—an almost insurmountable burden. Meanwhile, the market for counterfeit documents has exploded: in one month alone in 1998, immigration authorities seized nearly 2 million of them in Los Angeles, destined for immigrant workers, welfare seekers, criminals, and terrorists.
Hispanic advocates have helped blur the distinction between a legal and an illegal resident by asserting that differentiating the two is an act of irrational bigotry. Arrests of illegal aliens inside the border now inevitably spark protests, often led by the Mexican government, that feature signs calling for “no más racismo.” Immigrant advocates use the language of “human rights” to appeal to an authority higher than such trivia as citizenship laws. They attack the term “amnesty” for implicitly acknowledging the validity of borders. Indeed, grouses Illinois congressman Luis Gutierrez, “There’s an implication that somehow you did something wrong and you need to be forgiven.”
Illegal aliens and their advocates speak loudly about what they think the U.S. owes them, not vice versa. “I believe they have a right . . . to work, to drive their kids to school,” said California assemblywoman Sarah Reyes. An immigration agent says that people he stops “get in your face about their rights, because our failure to enforce the law emboldens them.” Taking this idea to its extreme, Joaquín Avila, a UCLA Chicano studies professor and law lecturer, argues that to deny non-citizens the vote, especially in the many California cities where they constitute the majority, is a form of apartheid.
But the non-enforcement of immigration laws in general has an even more destructive effect. In many immigrant communities, assimilation into gangs seems to be outstripping assimilation into civic culture. Toddlers are learning to flash gang signals and hate the police, reports the Los Angeles Times. In New York City, “every high school has its Mexican gang,” and most 12- to 14-year-olds have already joined, claims Ernesto Vega, an illegal 18-year-old Mexican. Such pathologies only worsen when the first lesson that immigrants learn about U.S. law is that Americans don’t bother to enforce it. “Institutionalizing illegal immigration creates a mindset in people that anything goes in the U.S.,” observes Patrick Ortega, the news and public-affairs director of Radio Nueva Vida in southern California. “It creates a new subculture, with a sequela of social ills.” It is broken windows writ large.
For the sake of immigrants and native-born Americans alike, it’s time to decide what our immigration policy is—and enforce it.
LOL! Are all of your sources racist right-wing wackos? Mac Donald criticized American immigration policy as "importing another underclass". She is an admitted conservative who believes Hispanics have "tremendous fertility" and believes they will "expand indefinitely". Another FAIL!
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Great way to refute the article. ::) ::)
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Funny how mindspin wants to focu on the miniscule % of success stories and not the tremendous amount of welfare bums, criminals, pedos, leeches, etc.
For every millionaire illegal, there are thousands of worthless leeches.
Welfare bums are not limited to immigrants. We have plenty that were born on our soil. And it's not just 1% of Hispanics that are working here legitimately. Come one now. Use real numbers produced by reputable studies.
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Correct - obama is a pile of shit. Fuck you and the other idiots like mal, andre, blacken, straw, et al for voting for him and foisting this pofs on the nation.
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Welfare bums are not limited to immigrants. We have plenty that were born on our soil. And it's not just 1% of Hispanics that are working here legitimately. Come one now. Use real numbers produced by reputable studies.
Just because a domestic born lazy pofs is on welfare does not make it ok for an illegal to be on welfare. Boot the illegal out of here and give the domestic born leech a pair of work boots and put his ass to work. If that lazy parasite does not want to work, let him starve and die for all I care.
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Just because a domestic born lazy pofs is on welfare does not make it ok for an illegal to be on welfare. Boot the illegal out of here and give the domestic born leech a pair of work boots and put his ass to work. If that lazy parasite does not want to work, let him starve and die for all I care.
That will never happen.
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II. Building on Progress
Over the last two years, the Obama Administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to secure the border, taken important steps to make the enforcement of our interior and worksite immigration laws smarter and more effective, and made improvements to the legal immigration system. Our efforts have been enormously successful, but we need comprehensive reform that demands responsibility and accountability from the government, businesses, and immigrants themselves. We cannot solve this problem through enforcement alone; in fact, many important improvements to our immigration system can only be accomplished through legislative action.
Dedicating Unprecedented Resources to Secure the Border
The Obama Administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to securing our borders, which is important for the safety and security of our nation as well as legitimate trade and tourism.
••Putting more “boots on the ground”: Today, the Border Patrol is better staffed than at any time in its 87-year history, having doubled the number of agents from approximately 10,000 in 2004 to more than 20,700 in 2010.
••Increasing investigative resources: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) investigative arm, has increased the number of federal agents deployed on the Southwest border. Currently a quarter of all ICE personnel are in the Southwest border region—the most ever. These additional personnel are working alongside the Department of Justice (DOJ) to identify, disrupt, and dismantle criminal organizations, to facilitate cooperation between U.S. and Mexican law enforcement authorities on investigations and enforcement operations, and to track and prevent cartel violence.
••Stepping up surveillance: For the first time, DHS unmanned aerial capabilities now cover the Southwest border all the way from California to Texas providing critical aerial surveillance assistance to personnel on the ground. DHS has also completed 649 miles of fencing out of nearly 652 miles planned, including 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence, with the remaining 3 miles scheduled to be completed.
••Working with Mexico: The Administration is working with the Government of Mexico to disrupt the transnational criminal organizations that traffic illicit drugs, weapons, and bulk cash, and the interdiction of illicit weapons. These unparalleled efforts have yielded real results. Over the past two and a half years, DHS seized 75 percent more currency, 31 percent more drugs, and 64 percent more weapons along the Southwest border compared to two and a half years of the previous administration.
••Working with Canada: The Administration is working with Canada to enhance joint law enforcement efforts and bolster cross-border security operations. Through the Shiprider Agreement the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the U.S. Coast Guard, CBP, and ICE are able to cross-train, share resources and personnel, and utilize each others’ vessels in the waters of both countries. These organizations and other federal partners have also continued to collaborate through Integrated Border Enforcement Teams, which work to identify, investigate, and interdict individuals and organizations that may pose a threat to national security or are engaged in organized criminal activity along the Northern border.
••Improvements to the Northern Border: Over the past two years, we have invested in additional Border Patrol agents, technology, and infrastructure. More than 2,200 Border Patrol agents man the Northern border, a 700 percent increase since 9/11. Nearly 3,800 CBP Officers manage the flow of people and goods across Northern ports of entry and crossings. We are modernizing more than 35 land ports of entry to meet our security and operational needs. We have also deployed new technology, including thermal camera systems, mobile surveillance systems, and remote video surveillance systems.
••Promoting economic prosperity along the border: The Obama Administration has made great strides in ensuring that legal trade and travel flows across our borders as quickly as possible by updating infrastructure, reducing wait times, and increasing security. The Administration has expanded the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism (C-TPAT) trusted shipper program to speed up trade while and ensuring national security. These efforts have proven effective: in FY 10 U.S. exports of goods to Mexico totaled $163.3 billion, an increase of 27 percent over FY 09.
Increasing community outreach: CBP is implementing a national Border Community Liaison Program in each of the 20 Border Patrol Sectors and the Border Patrol Academy. These liaisons will focus primarily on outreach with community groups and will help law enforcement understand the views and concerns of individuals living in border towns.
••Fewer people attempt to illegally cross our borders: Apprehensions of illegal aliens decreased from nearly 724,000 in FY 08 to approximately 463,000 in FY 10, a 36 percent reduction, indicating fewer people are attempting to illegally cross the border. We must continue our efforts to secure the border and protect communities in the Southwest so that these trends continue.
Making Interior and Worksite Enforcement Smarter and More Effective
The Obama Administration has taken critical steps to make interior and worksite enforcement smarter, more effective, and more consistent with our country’s best values by prioritizing the removal of immigrants convicted of crimes and penalizing employers who abuse or exploit workers.
••Setting immigration enforcement priorities: Under the Obama Administration, ICE has developed for the first time since its establishment priorities for immigration enforcement in the interior. In August 2010, ICE issued clear guidance on its civil enforcement priorities, which reflect a focus on the removal of individuals who pose a danger to national security or public safety, with a particular focus on convicted criminals, as well as the removal of recent border violators, those who have been previously deported, and fugitives. As a result, the deportation of aliens with criminal records increased by more than 70 percent in 2010 as compared to 2008.
Creating a more humane detention system: DHS has also invested in implementing critical reforms to the detention system that enhance security and efficiency while prioritizing the health and safety of detainees. A concrete example is the Online Detainee Locator System, a public, Internet-based tool designed to assist family members, attorneys, and other interested parties in locating individuals in DHS custody.
••Victims of crimes: DHS is working to ensure that victims of trafficking and other crimes have access to immigration relief in the form of T and U visas. These visas are available to victims who aid federal, state, and local law enforcement officials in criminal investigations. In FY 10, DHS approved 796 T visas for trafficking victims and their family members—the highest number to date and a 36 percent increase over the prior fiscal year. In FY 10, the 10,000 statutory cap on U visas was reached for the first time- in part because of DHS’s work actively promoting awareness and appropriate use of these visas. The Department of Labor will also be using the U visa program for immigrants who assist in their investigations of abusive employers.
••New worksite enforcement strategy: In April 2009, DHS launched a new worksite enforcement strategy designed to penalize employers who knowingly hire illegal workers and who are involved in related crimes such as trafficking, smuggling, harboring, document fraud, and money laundering. DHS has implemented this strategy through robust use of audits of employment verification records, civil fines and debarment, and by promoting compliance tools. Since January 2009, ICE has audited more than 4,600 employers suspected of hiring illegal labor, debarred 317 companies and individuals, and imposed approximately $61 million in financial sanctions—more than the total amount of audits and debarments than during the entire previous administration.
Making compliance clearer: The Obama Administration has taken steps to make the employment eligibility program clearer and make it simpler for employers to comply with the law. For example, the Administration has made it quicker and easier for employers to confirm a document’s authenticity by issuing final guidance on which documents employers can accept to verify employment eligibility. DHS has also issued a new handbook that walks employers through the I-9 employment verification system and provides clear guidance to ensure they comply with the law and protect their employee’s civil rights.
••Piloting programs for workers to correct their records: The Administration has piloted a new voluntary, free, fast, and secure E-Verify Self Check Program which allows individuals in the United States to access their employment eligibility status and make corrections to their records, if necessary, before applying for jobs.
••Proactively protecting workers and their civil rights: DHS has produced training videos to help inform employees of their rights and responsibilities and established a hotline for employees to file complaints about E-Verify misuse or discrimination, which is accessible in 34 languages. In addition, to address potential concerns, DHS has entered into a new agreement with DOJ to streamline the process for addressing potential cases of discrimination and misuse of the E-Verify program.
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That will never happen.
I agree - but we cant have the current mess without doing that, I would give a contract to timberland and handout work boots likecandy and go through the bronx, brooklyn, queens, etc with paddy wagons and put these lazy scumbags to work.
After I was done with these overweight welfare bums, they would be begging to work the fields picking lettuce and strawberries.
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A 21st Century Immigration System
President Obama calls for a bipartisan approach to fixing a broken immigration system and explains why immigration reform is critical to building a 21st century economy in a speech in El Paso, TX. May 10, 2011.
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II. Building on Progress
Over the last two years, the Obama Administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to secure the border, taken important steps to make the enforcement of our interior and worksite immigration laws smarter and more effective, and made improvements to the legal immigration system. Our efforts have been enormously successful, but we need comprehensive reform that demands responsibility and accountability from the government, businesses, and immigrants themselves. We cannot solve this problem through enforcement alone; in fact, many important improvements to our immigration system can only be accomplished through legislative action.
Dedicating Unprecedented Resources to Secure the Border
The Obama Administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to securing our borders, which is important for the safety and security of our nation as well as legitimate trade and tourism.
••Putting more “boots on the ground”: Today, the Border Patrol is better staffed than at any time in its 87-year history, having doubled the number of agents from approximately 10,000 in 2004 to more than 20,700 in 2010.
••Increasing investigative resources: Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) investigative arm, has increased the number of federal agents deployed on the Southwest border. Currently a quarter of all ICE personnel are in the Southwest border region—the most ever. These additional personnel are working alongside the Department of Justice (DOJ) to identify, disrupt, and dismantle criminal organizations, to facilitate cooperation between U.S. and Mexican law enforcement authorities on investigations and enforcement operations, and to track and prevent cartel violence.
••Stepping up surveillance: For the first time, DHS unmanned aerial capabilities now cover the Southwest border all the way from California to Texas providing critical aerial surveillance assistance to personnel on the ground. DHS has also completed 649 miles of fencing out of nearly 652 miles planned, including 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 350 miles of pedestrian fence, with the remaining 3 miles scheduled to be completed.
••Working with Mexico: The Administration is working with the Government of Mexico to disrupt the transnational criminal organizations that traffic illicit drugs, weapons, and bulk cash, and the interdiction of illicit weapons. These unparalleled efforts have yielded real results. Over the past two and a half years, DHS seized 75 percent more currency, 31 percent more drugs, and 64 percent more weapons along the Southwest border compared to two and a half years of the previous administration.
••Working with Canada: The Administration is working with Canada to enhance joint law enforcement efforts and bolster cross-border security operations. Through the Shiprider Agreement the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the U.S. Coast Guard, CBP, and ICE are able to cross-train, share resources and personnel, and utilize each others’ vessels in the waters of both countries. These organizations and other federal partners have also continued to collaborate through Integrated Border Enforcement Teams, which work to identify, investigate, and interdict individuals and organizations that may pose a threat to national security or are engaged in organized criminal activity along the Northern border.
••Improvements to the Northern Border: Over the past two years, we have invested in additional Border Patrol agents, technology, and infrastructure. More than 2,200 Border Patrol agents man the Northern border, a 700 percent increase since 9/11. Nearly 3,800 CBP Officers manage the flow of people and goods across Northern ports of entry and crossings. We are modernizing more than 35 land ports of entry to meet our security and operational needs. We have also deployed new technology, including thermal camera systems, mobile surveillance systems, and remote video surveillance systems.
••Promoting economic prosperity along the border: The Obama Administration has made great strides in ensuring that legal trade and travel flows across our borders as quickly as possible by updating infrastructure, reducing wait times, and increasing security. The Administration has expanded the Customs-Trade Partnership Against Terrorism (C-TPAT) trusted shipper program to speed up trade while and ensuring national security. These efforts have proven effective: in FY 10 U.S. exports of goods to Mexico totaled $163.3 billion, an increase of 27 percent over FY 09.
Increasing community outreach: CBP is implementing a national Border Community Liaison Program in each of the 20 Border Patrol Sectors and the Border Patrol Academy. These liaisons will focus primarily on outreach with community groups and will help law enforcement understand the views and concerns of individuals living in border towns.
••Fewer people attempt to illegally cross our borders: Apprehensions of illegal aliens decreased from nearly 724,000 in FY 08 to approximately 463,000 in FY 10, a 36 percent reduction, indicating fewer people are attempting to illegally cross the border. We must continue our efforts to secure the border and protect communities in the Southwest so that these trends continue.
Making Interior and Worksite Enforcement Smarter and More Effective
The Obama Administration has taken critical steps to make interior and worksite enforcement smarter, more effective, and more consistent with our country’s best values by prioritizing the removal of immigrants convicted of crimes and penalizing employers who abuse or exploit workers.
••Setting immigration enforcement priorities: Under the Obama Administration, ICE has developed for the first time since its establishment priorities for immigration enforcement in the interior. In August 2010, ICE issued clear guidance on its civil enforcement priorities, which reflect a focus on the removal of individuals who pose a danger to national security or public safety, with a particular focus on convicted criminals, as well as the removal of recent border violators, those who have been previously deported, and fugitives. As a result, the deportation of aliens with criminal records increased by more than 70 percent in 2010 as compared to 2008.
Creating a more humane detention system: DHS has also invested in implementing critical reforms to the detention system that enhance security and efficiency while prioritizing the health and safety of detainees. A concrete example is the Online Detainee Locator System, a public, Internet-based tool designed to assist family members, attorneys, and other interested parties in locating individuals in DHS custody.
••Victims of crimes: DHS is working to ensure that victims of trafficking and other crimes have access to immigration relief in the form of T and U visas. These visas are available to victims who aid federal, state, and local law enforcement officials in criminal investigations. In FY 10, DHS approved 796 T visas for trafficking victims and their family members—the highest number to date and a 36 percent increase over the prior fiscal year. In FY 10, the 10,000 statutory cap on U visas was reached for the first time- in part because of DHS’s work actively promoting awareness and appropriate use of these visas. The Department of Labor will also be using the U visa program for immigrants who assist in their investigations of abusive employers.
••New worksite enforcement strategy: In April 2009, DHS launched a new worksite enforcement strategy designed to penalize employers who knowingly hire illegal workers and who are involved in related crimes such as trafficking, smuggling, harboring, document fraud, and money laundering. DHS has implemented this strategy through robust use of audits of employment verification records, civil fines and debarment, and by promoting compliance tools. Since January 2009, ICE has audited more than 4,600 employers suspected of hiring illegal labor, debarred 317 companies and individuals, and imposed approximately $61 million in financial sanctions—more than the total amount of audits and debarments than during the entire previous administration.
Making compliance clearer: The Obama Administration has taken steps to make the employment eligibility program clearer and make it simpler for employers to comply with the law. For example, the Administration has made it quicker and easier for employers to confirm a document’s authenticity by issuing final guidance on which documents employers can accept to verify employment eligibility. DHS has also issued a new handbook that walks employers through the I-9 employment verification system and provides clear guidance to ensure they comply with the law and protect their employee’s civil rights.
••Piloting programs for workers to correct their records: The Administration has piloted a new voluntary, free, fast, and secure E-Verify Self Check Program which allows individuals in the United States to access their employment eligibility status and make corrections to their records, if necessary, before applying for jobs.
••Proactively protecting workers and their civil rights: DHS has produced training videos to help inform employees of their rights and responsibilities and established a hotline for employees to file complaints about E-Verify misuse or discrimination, which is accessible in 34 languages. In addition, to address potential concerns, DHS has entered into a new agreement with DOJ to streamline the process for addressing potential cases of discrimination and misuse of the E-Verify program.
Let me guess - you got an email from Plouffe the magic dragon with those talking points,
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A 21st Century Immigration System
President Obama calls for a bipartisan approach to fixing a broken immigration system and explains why immigration reform is critical to building a 21st century economy in a speech in El Paso, TX. May 10, 2011.
blacks suppo0rting open borders in like jews supporting Dr. Mengele and Heidrech the Hang Man
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That's utter crap. Its not complicated at all. If you are here ILLEGALLY - YOU GO THE FUCK HOME.
If you are able bodied and on welfare - FUCK YOU - GO TO WORK OR STARVE AND DIE
If you are here illegally and get busted committing a crime - DEPORTED
DWI OR OTHER MISDEAMEANORS ???? - DEPORTED
After a few years, most of these parasites will go home.
I came to this country legally when I was 10. My mother worked three jobs to make sure that my sister and I could attend private schools and get a good education. Eventually, our visas expired and we were illegal aliens. For over 15 years, I lived here illegally. During that time, I worked, paid taxes, put myself through college and started a business. Eventually I went through the process and got my citizenship. BTW, it wasn't easy and it cost a lot of money. For low wage workers who don't speak English well, I can't imagine how they would get it done.
There are thousands of people just like me...from various countries. Your solution kicks all these good people out and with them, all of the value they add to this country. You've got it in your head that all immigrants are coming here to rape, pillage and plunder. You're wrong...
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I agree - but we cant have the current mess without doing that, I would give a contract to timberland and handout work boots likecandy and go through the bronx, brooklyn, queens, etc with paddy wagons and put these lazy scumbags to work.
After I was done with these overweight welfare bums, they would be begging to work the fields picking lettuce and strawberries.
Let's see about your qualifications, PEA BRAIN:
LAZY? check
SCUMBAG? check
OVERWEIGHT? check
WELFARE BUM? check
It appears that you should be the first one placed in one of your "paddy wagons," Vinnie.
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I came to this country legally when I was 10. My mother worked three jobs to make sure that my sister and I could attend private schools and get a good education. Eventually, our visas expired and we were illegal aliens. For over 15 years, I lived here illegally. During that time, I worked, paid taxes, put myself through college and started a business. Eventually I went through the process and got my citizenship. BTW, it wasn't easy and it cost a lot of money. For low wage workers who don't speak English well, I can't imagine how they would get it done.
There are thousands of people just like me...from various countries. Your solution kicks all these good people out and with them, all of the value they add to this country. You've got it in your head that all immigrants are coming here to rape, pillage and plunder. You're wrong...
I have sponsored immigrants from Venezuela for citizenship - so dont cry to me on this. even they will tell you many illegals are raping the system .
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Let me guess - you got an email from Plouffe the magic dragon with those talking points,
Nope, no emails from Plouffe in some time. Just FACTS pointed out by the president during the speech you quoted out of context, yet obviously did not watch, ya' fat PEA BRAINED turd. ;D
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Let's see about your qualifications, PEA BRAIN:
LAZY? check
SCUMBAG? check
OVERWEIGHT? check
WELFARE BUM? check
It appears that you should be the first one placed in one of your "paddy wagons," Vinnie.
I have NEVER take a dime of welfare, UE, workers comp, medicaid, etc.
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Nope, no emails from Plouffe in some time. Just FACTS pointed out by the president during the speech you quoted out of context, yet obviously did not watch, ya' fat PEA BRAINED turd. ;D
Not my president at all. I look at him and his grifter wife like I do the shifty bums on the NYC subway trying to sell me defective and outdated snickers bars for "cancer research" or some other bullshit.
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I have sponsored immigrants from Venezuela for citizenship - so dont cry to me on this. even they will tell you many illegals are raping the system .
Not crying about anything. I'm just pointing out that not all illegal immigrants are here to sponge off the system.
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Not crying about anything. I'm just pointing out that not all illegal immigrants are here to sponge off the system.
I agree! Many are freaking better than the assholes who are domestically born. If I could swap them out with the ghetto thug trash from the bronx, brooklyn, harlem, la, chicago, etc, I would do it tommorow.
If it were the 3333 plan:
1. Deport all illegals convicted of felonies
2. Cut off illegals from welfare
3. Secure the border.
Than
4. Have a pathway to citizenship - but every illegal has to have a sponsor who posts a bond for them
5. Mandatory english classes and no welfare or coaicl assitance for 10 years
6. Large fine or bond to pay for schools or something to deal with that.
7. 25- 50 % surcharge on all wires out of the country.
etc etc.
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I agree! Many are freaking better than the assholes who are domestically born. If I could swap them out with the ghetto thug trash from the bronx, brooklyn, harlem, la, chicago, etc, I would do it tommorow.
If it were the 3333 plan:
1. Deport all illegals convicted of felonies
2. Cut off illegals from welfare
3. Secure the border.
Than
4. Have a pathway to citizenship - but every illegal has to have a sponsor who posts a bond for them
5. Mandatory english classes and no welfare or coaicl assitance for 10 years
6. Large fine or bond to pay for schools or something to deal with that.
7. 25- 50 % surcharge on all wires out of the country.
etc etc.
Agree with everything except 6 & 7...
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Not crying about anything. I'm just pointing out that not all illegal immigrants are here to sponge off the system.
But the problem Mindspin is most (7 out of every 10) are "sponging off the system", and the "system" is almost bankrupt, and this "system is passing a burden of debt onto our children and grandchildren that is unpayable.
If you needed Knee Surgery, and you found a Surgeon that was unsuccessful 7 out of 10 times, would you still say he's successful (and use him) because of the 3 that were a success? I think not, yet this is what you are doing when you discuss your life story, and the businessman's story on here, and use this as justification for "open borders", as your story doesn't represent the current majority.
This Country was built from Legal Immigration, people who only wanted an opportunity, and nothing more, yet things have changed over time, and with all the social programs we have enacted (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, etc...) we as a Nation can barely afford all of these for our own citizens, much less all the World's poor. You simply cant have it both ways.
The facts are we as a Nation can no longer afford illegal immigration.
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But the problem is most (7 out of every 10) are "sponging off the system." and the "system" is almost bankrupt, and this "system, is passing a burden of debt onto our children and grandchildren that is unpayable.
If you needed Knee Surgery, and you found a Surgeon that was unsuccessful 7 out of 10 times, would you still say he's successful (and use him) because of the 3 that were a success? I think not, yet this is what you are doing when you discuss your life story, and the businessman's story on here, and use this as justification for "open borders", as your story doesn't represent the current majority.
This Country was built from Legal Immigration, people who only wanted an opportunity, and nothing more, yet things have changed over time, and with all the social programs we have enacted (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, etc...) we as a Nation can barely afford all of these for our own citizens, much less all the Worlds poor. You simply cant have it both ways.
The facts are we as a Nation can no longer afford illegal immigration.
I agree with you. But the solution is not to deport all illegals and then close our borders. That would be stupid. Obviously we need to fix our welfare system so that no one can sponge off it.
By the way, this country was not built on legal immigration. We invaded this land, took it from the native Americans. Then we revolted against England, and imported black slaves for free labor.
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I agree with you. But the solution is not to deport all illegals and then close our borders. That would be stupid. Obviously we need to fix our welfare system so that no one can sponge off it.
By the way, this country was not built on legal immigration. We invaded this land, took it from the native Americans. Then we revolted against England, and imported black slaves for free labor.
Why not? People have no right to come to America.
So show me one nation where the original inhabitants still run the show, bet you can't( by the way a I am part Native American). Nice simplification of how the country was formed ::)
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Why not? People have no right to come to America.
So show me one nation where the original inhabitants still run the show, bet you can't( by the way a I am part Native American). Nice simplification of how the country was formed ::)
I didn't say anything about it being wrong/right. Just saying that this country was not built on "legal immigration".
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I didn't say anything about it being wrong/right. Just saying that this country was not built on "legal immigration".
So? It wasn't built on illegal immigration either
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I agree with you. But the solution is not to deport all illegals and then close our borders. That would be stupid. Obviously we need to fix our welfare system so that no one can sponge off it.
By the way, this country was not built on legal immigration. We invaded this land, took it from the native Americans. Then we revolted against England, and imported black slaves for free labor.
You say that we need to "fix our welfare system", so people "cant sponge of it it", yet you probably voted for people that are currently expanding its role (Obama), yet at the beginning of this thread, you said: "That's the kind of shit that makes me like Obama." You cant have it both ways.
And one of the ways you stop it is by locking the door, and only letting in those that can prove that they have a way of supporting themselves through Legal Immigration.
South and Central America also had Slavery, including your Home Land of Colombia (New Granada and Grand Columbia) and in fact the US freed Slaves around the same time frame as most South American Countries did) so if this in part is what made the US, why isn't Columbia just as prosperous?
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Mmindspin - if 10 million illegals from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, etc showed up tommorow - should we let them all in?
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Mmindspin - if 10 million illegals from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, etc showed up tommorow - should we let them all in?
If they are coming here to work and contribute to our society, absolutely. BTW, what difference does it make where they are from ???
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If they are coming here to work and contribute to our society, absolutely. BTW, what difference does it make where they are from ???
What if:
There are no jobs for these people?
They come from a culture foreign to ours that advocates multiple wives, honor killings, etc?
There is no capacity in the existing schools, health care systems, and infrastructure to deal with them?
Taxpayers dont want them since they strain existing social structures?
There is no way to ensure they are kept off of welfare or off of taxpayer funded programs?
What you advocate is pure chaos and anarchy that no rational society can ever accept or deal with.
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Where are all these vets going to get jobs when they get back from the service...I give you guys a hint..Illegals are working those jobs right now.
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If they are coming here to work and contribute to our society, absolutely.
And how do you do this without legal Immigration and Enforcement of our Border ?
What you just described above is legal Immigration, and enforcement of our Border, by deciding who gets to come and who doesn't.
So on one hand Mindspin is for an "Open Border" and the other hand he is for pre-deciding who gets to come here, and who doesn't, based on if they want to "work and contribute" or not. Got it ::)
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The funniest part of this is the hilarity of the people who actually think Obama the Dems truly care about illegal immigrants beyond shoring up 12 million permanent democratic votes.
Look at how fast the Dems abandoned them the last time they tried to push this DREAM shit. Not going to pass this time, either. But the Dems know that. They and their MSM butt buddies are salivating at the opportunity to paint the GOP as racists.
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What if:
There are no jobs for these people?
They come from a culture foreign to ours that advocates multiple wives, honor killings, etc?
There is no capacity in the existing schools, health care systems, and infrastructure to deal with them?
Taxpayers dont want them since they strain existing social structures?
There is no way to ensure they are kept off of welfare or off of taxpayer funded programs?
What you advocate is pure chaos and anarchy that no rational society can ever accept or deal with.
You're misunderstanding my position. I never said just let anyone in. They would have to work, obey our laws, pay taxes etc. I would expect there to be background checks to keep out criminals.
I find it telling that you talk about their different cultures. I think that may be at the root of your anti immigration stance. Clearly it is what most white, conservative, right-wingers fear. I welcome different cultures and feel fortunate to live in a part of the US where there is so much diversity. Sadly, there are still people alive today, that wish we could go back to the good old days of segregation...
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The funniest part of this is the hilarity of the people who actually think Obama the Dems truly care about illegal immigrants beyond shoring up 12 million permanent democratic votes.
Look at how fast the Dems abandoned them the last time they tried to push this DREAM shit. Not going to pass this time, either. But the Dems know that. They and their MSM butt buddies are salivating at the opportunity to paint the GOP as racists.
You don't think that most of the GOP is a bunch of rich, old, fat, racist, white guys?
BTW, your precious Fedor has lost twice, the UFC bought Strikeforce and now has ALL the best fighters....hahahahahah!
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And how do you do this without legal Immigration and Enforcement of our Border ?
What you just described above is legal Immigration, and enforcement of our Border, by deciding who gets to come and who doesn't.
So on one hand Mindspin is for an "Open Border" and the other hand he is for pre-deciding who gets to come here, and who doesn't, based on if they want to "work and contribute" or not. Got it ::)
Open border? Never said I was for that ::)
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You're misunderstanding my position. I never said just let anyone in.
That is exactly what you said, as you wrote you were for "Open Borders"
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You don't think that most of the GOP is a bunch of rich, old, fat, racist, white guys?
BTW, your precious Fedor has lost twice, the UFC bought Strikeforce and now has ALL the best fighters....hahahahahah!
Oh yes, because the Democratic party isn't full of old, fat, racist, white folks. Hi, Senator Byrd!!!!!!!!
You're 40-something-years-old and you post on an internet forum about wanting to beat up people who use synthol. Nice mid-life crisis you're having, Peter Pan. :-X
That is exactly what you said, as you wrote you were for "Open Borders"
Hahahahaha. Let the backpedaling commence.
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You said in post 71 that we should "open the Borders'
;D
Watch out now. 40+ year old Mindspin will be challenging you to a cage fight soon.
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You're misunderstanding my position. I never said just let anyone in.
Open border? Never said I was for that.
What problem? I'm all for opening the borders. This country was built on immigrants.
Whatever you say Mindspin ::)
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Funny - when I sponosored two people from venzuela - I had to sign all sorts of docs etc.
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If illegal immigrants and their supposed "right" to live in this country are so important to dems then why didn't they pass it when they had control of everything for two years? ???
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If illegal immigrants and their supposed "right" to live in this country are so important to dems then why didn't they pass it when they had control of everything for two years? ???
It's not It's called stirring emotions for votes.
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You guys are for closing the borders and kicking out as many Mexicans as you can. I am for open borders and allowing those that are here to stay. And, as I said, I would impose restrictions that would keep out criminals, require them to pay taxes, learn English, not be on welfare, etc.
Oh, and I'm not 40 :-)
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12,151,113 Skilled American jobs taken by Illegal Immigrants.
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/ ^ | 11.05.11
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 9:30:03 AM
12,151,113 Skilled American jobs taken by Illegal Immigrants.
There would be NO unemployment if it wasn't for Illegal Immigrants.
When you cannot buy groceries or pay your bills, because you are out of work, call and thank President Obama and your elected officials.
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23,411,380 Illegal Immigrants in the United States.
5,390,844 Children of Illegal Immigrants in Public Schools.
164,688,684,056 Dollars Cost of Illegals in K-12 Since 1996.
397,456,555,670 Dollars Cost of Social Services for Illegal Aliens Since 1996.
415,422 Illegal Immigrants Incarcerated in United States.
24,663,194,210 Dollars Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001.
772,986 Illegal Immigrant fugitives.
4,947,605 Anchor Babies Since 2002.
Just a few of the costs are listed by dollars above and they = 586,808,433,936 almost a half Trillion dollars.
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
NOTE: Statistics as of 5/11/2011
(Excerpt) Read more at immigrationcounters.com ...
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Check this out:
http://www.immigrationcounters.com
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"we will take up our shovels and our pick axes....we will use them against you...believe that"
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I can't wait - i'll pick off those barbarians at 300 yards out.
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Originally I thought that the title of this thread was referring to how NY City residents can keep people in Harlem from entering the Upper East and West Sides of Manhattan.
I guess I should have continued reading.
MindSpin is for illegal immigration because he snuck into this country on the back of a lettuce truck, G4P'd his way to the bottom echelon of the bodybuilding industry and now runs a successful business out of his studio apartment that specializes in dry cleaning BJJ Gi's. In other words, he is an American success story.
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The far left crazies treat this issue like everything else - use the .00001% example as the basis for their crazy belief system.
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You guys are for closing the borders and kicking out as many Mexicans as you can. I am for open borders and allowing those that are here to stay. And, as I said, I would impose restrictions that would keep out criminals, require them to pay taxes, learn English, not be on welfare, etc.
Oh, and I'm not 40 :-)
You are playing on both sides of the fence again.....
So on one hand, you want to put restrictions on welfare, require English, pay taxes..... and on the other hand you vote for politicians that want to expand welfare for Illegals, that are against requiring people learn English, and against restrictions on illegals receiving benefits. Got it. ::)
I never said just let anyone in.
Open border? Never said I was for that.
I'm all for opening the borders.
And again on one hand, you are for open borders.... on the other hand you are for pre-deciding who gets to come here. Got it again. ::)
You guys are for closing the borders and kicking out as many Mexicans as you can. I am for open borders
When you are caught playing both sides of the fence in this thread, it is you that reverts back to Race, not us, which is honestly quite pathetic, as I am sure you are more capable than that.
I would expect there to be background checks to keep out criminals.
So on one hand you are going to have an "open Border" and on the other hand you are going to have a "background check" to keep out the criminals" Got it again ::)
I would impose restrictions that would keep out criminals, require them to pay taxes, learn English, not be on welfare, etc.
And lastly, on one hand you say want to "impose restrictions" to "keep out criminals" yet on the other hand you want an 'Open Border (unrestricted movement across Borders) which is the exact opposite of "imposing restrictions", so once again you are playing on both side of the fence. And with an Open Border, the criminals are free to come right back in the very day you deport them, and will.
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You are playing on both sides of the fence again.....
So on one hand, you want to put restrictions on welfare, require English, pay taxes..... and on the other hand you vote for politicians that want to expand welfare for Illegals, that are against requiring people learn English, and against restrictions on illegals receiving benefits. Got it. ::)
And again on one hand, you are for open borders.... on the other hand you are for pre-deciding who gets to come here. Got it again. ::)
When you are caught playing both sides of the fence in this thread, it is you that reverts back to Race, not us, which is honestly quite pathetic, as I am sure you are more capable than that.
So on one hand you are going to have an "open Border" and on the other hand you are going to have a "background check" to keep out the criminals" Got it again ::)
And lastly, on one hand you say want to "impose restrictions" to "keep out criminals" yet on the other hand you want an 'Open Border (unrestricted movement across Borders) which is the exact opposite of "imposing restrictions", so once again you are playing on both side of the fence. And with an Open Border, the criminals are free to come right back in the very day you deport them, and will.
lol...you put a lot of work into that post ::)
Let me make is simple for you...again. You want to close borders and keep anyone who is different from you out. I want to "open" the borders to anyone that can contribute to our society. Is that dumbed down enough for you ::)
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lol...you put a lot of work into that post ::)
Let me make is simple for you...again. You want to close borders and keep anyone who is different from you out. I want to "open" the borders to anyone that can contribute to our society. Is that dumbed down enough for you ::)
What do you mean by "contribute" ?
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lol...you put a lot of work into that post ::)
Let me make is simple for you...again. You want to close borders and keep anyone who is different from you out. I want to "open" the borders to anyone that can contribute to our society. Is that dumbed down enough for you ::)
First of all no one has a right to come to America, and the only immigrants that should be let in are those with skills that are an asset to this country. So explain to me again how wanting the border closed to enforce said policy is racist.
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If millions of Zips from Italy were flooding the nation illegally, I would be the first one to boot them out.
See what the mayor of florence did to those Jersey Shore pofs? He booted them out. Good for him. We need to do the same thing here.
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What do you mean by "contribute" ?
By coming here to work, pay taxes, start business, etc. I am surrounded by immigrants, all of whom contribute to our society. I have three clients, one from Mexico, one from Iran and one from Salvador. All three started companies and built them to multi million dollar enterprises through honest hard work. They pay taxes, employee people and put money into our economy. My admin is Chinese. She is a college grad. My data analyst is from India. She is a college grad. My landscaper is Mexican. He has no education and speaks poor english, but he has one kid in high school and the other just started college. His little landscaping business employees 7 people all of whom pay taxes and contribute to society. Everyone I just mentioned is a 1st generation immigrant. None would be here if you guys had your way...
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First of all no one has a right to come to America, and the only immigrants that should be let in are those with skills that are an asset to this country. So explain to me again how wanting the border closed to enforce said policy is racist.
When I hear "close the borders" I interpret that as not wanting anyone one for any reason. By by "close" the borders you mean "open" them to select individuals, then we're on the same page...
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By coming here to work, pay taxes, start business, etc. I am surrounded by immigrants, all of whom contribute to our society. I have three clients, one from Mexico, one from Iran and one from Salvador. All three started companies and built them to multi million dollar enterprises through honest hard work. They pay taxes, employee people and put money into our economy. My admin is Chinese. She is a college grad. My data analyst is from India. She is a college grad. My landscaper is Mexican. He has no education and speaks poor english, but he has one kid in high school and the other just started college. His little landscaping business employees 7 people all of whom pay taxes and contribute to society. Everyone I just mentioned is a 1st generation immigrant. None would be here if you guys had your way...
So now your just going to start throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks? I bet all these people you cited came to this country through legal channels. NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I find offensive that people think that can just hop the border pop out a kid and take advantage of America. I work with more than a few legal immigrants and they are more anti-illegal than I am because they went through the process and it pisses them off that someone can break the rules(laws) and jump to the front of the line. Then have some fuckhead politician try to give them amnesty, the ultimate insult to the legal immigrant
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When I hear "close the borders" I interpret that as not wanting anyone one for any reason. By by "close" the borders you mean "open" them to select individuals, then we're on the same page...
"CLOSE THE BORDERS" means that people cant come here illegally and have to apply for citizenship or work papers in a legal an orderly fashion without squating here and flaunting our laws.
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"moat with alligators" hahaha love that line.
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"moat with alligators" hahaha love that line.
I wish it were true - coupled with 50 cal. machine gus with turrets, pirranahs, disease infested waters, poisoned plants, land mines, ieds, etc,
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I wish it were true - coupled with 50 cal. machine gus with turrets, pirranahs, disease infested waters, poisoned plants, land mines, ieds, etc,
shame, maybe we could have kept your family out if we had that earlier in our history :P
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So now your just going to start throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks? I bet all these people you cited came to this country through legal channels. NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I find offensive that people think that can just hop the border pop out a kid and take advantage of America. I work with more than a few legal immigrants and they are more anti-illegal than I am because they went through the process and it pisses them off that someone can break the rules(laws) and jump to the front of the line. Then have some fuckhead politician try to give them amnesty, the ultimate insult to the legal immigrant
Wrong. I was here illegally for 15 yrs. Several of the people I mentioned entered legally but when their visas expired, they were here illegally.
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I wish it were true - coupled with 50 cal. machine gus with turrets, pirranahs, disease infested waters, poisoned plants, land mines, ieds, etc,
That actually shows your true colors right there. You actually wish to kill these people ::) Do you realize that a lot of the people sneaking in here from Mexico are fleeing the brutal drug war that is going on right now? These are people like you and me who have families and want nothing more than a better life for their families. Like the immigrants that built this country, they want to come here to escape oppression and pursue better living. When you're fleeing for your life, following proper protocol is not a priority.
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There is a legal process to abide by, if you dont like it - tough shit.
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lol...you put a lot of work into that post ::)
Let me make is simple for you...again. You want to close borders and keep anyone who is different from you out. I want to "open" the borders to anyone that can contribute to our society. Is that dumbed down enough for you ::)
In the very same thread, you call for Open Borders (which is unrestricted movement across Borders), and then you also call for the exact opposite by saying you are for restrictions, and deciding who gets to come here. And then you talk about someone else being dumb. :o
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In the very same thread, you call for Open Borders (which is unrestricted movement across Borders), and then you also call for the exact opposite by saying you are for restrictions, and deciding who gets to come here, and you talk about someone being dumb ? :o
Oh brother...you're still trying to play semantics ::) What do you hope to accomplish by that? I know what my opinion is. You don't need to clarify it for me ::)
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Oh brother...you're still trying to play semantics ::) What do you hope to accomplish by that? I know what my opinion is. You don't need to clarify it for me ::)
That's because your opinions are an oxymoron.
First you are for Open Borders, then you are not, then you are again..but with restrictions (which makes it not Open Borders any more) and when this is pointed out, everyone who disagrees with you on this subject is now a racist... Got it ! ::)
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Wrong. I was here illegally for 15 yrs. Several of the people I mentioned entered legally but when their visas expired, they were here illegally.
So basically you see no problem with breaking the laws of the US? No respect is shown for the country or its laws, but you expect a free pass for some reason. There is a reason visas expire.
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There is a legal process to abide by, if you dont like it - tough shit.
333386,
I'm pretty sure that for uneducated, but hard working Mexican farmers, there is no legal process. They are just out of luck.
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333386,
I'm pretty sure that for uneducated, but hard working Mexican farmers, there is no legal process. They are just out of luck.
When 7 out of 10 that come here illegally are going on welfare and other social programs, yes they are out of luck, because we are out of money, and all the credit cards are maxed out.
Get in line for a visa, and wait your turn, and if you think it is too slow, then apply for another Country that is faster.
A major part of the Visa Process is having to give evidence that you can provide for yourself once you are here, and there is good reason for that, because when you skip that (as people that enter the U.Ss Illegally do) you end up with what we have now (7 out of every 10 on welfare)
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When 7 out of 10 that come illegally here are going on welfare and other social programs, yes they are out of luck, because we are out of money, and all the credit cards are maxed out.
Get in line for a visa, and wait your turn.
A major part of the Visa Process is having to give evidence that you can provide for yourself once you are here, and there is good reason for that, because when you skip that (as Illegals do) you end up with what we have now (7 out of every 10 on welfare)
What does that have to do with what I posted? The US in the past has invited nurses from India to immigrate to the US. An immigrant on a student visa can apply for an H1 visa after he gradates, then his company can get him permanent residence. A poor Mexican farmer does not have that luxury. He has no way of going to the US legally. That's all I'm saying. Not everyone has a legal way to go to the US.
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So basically you see no problem with breaking the laws of the US? No respect is shown for the country or its laws, but you expect a free pass for some reason. There is a reason visas expire.
It was once illegal for women or black people to vote. It was once illegal to buy/drink alcohol. So yes, some laws are stupid and need to be broken, until the system catches up.
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333386,
I'm pretty sure that for uneducated, but hard working Mexican farmers, there is no legal process. They are just out of luck.
you are absolutely right. I was an educated middle calss citizen and I had to jump through hoops for over 5 years before becoming "legal".
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Tough shit. We already have evough poor people.
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What does that have to do with what I posted? The US in the past has invited nurses from India to immigrate to the US. An immigrant on a student visa can apply for an H1 visa after he gradates, then his company can get him permanent residence. A poor Mexican farmer does not have that luxury. He has no way of going to the US legally. That's all I'm saying. Not everyone has a legal way to go to the US.
Loco,
Why is it our responsibility to provide an expedited way of entry for the Mexican Farmer?
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Wasn't all of CA part of Mexico anyway? I don't think that they are jumping over the border. The border jumped over them...
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Wasn't all of CA part of Mexico anyway? I don't think that they are jumping over the border. The border jumped over them...
And Columbia was once inhabited by indigenous people, so what?
So why don't you give up your home to some poor Mexican family then, and move back to Columbia?
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It was once illegal for women or black people to vote. It was once illegal to buy/drink alcohol. So yes, some laws are stupid and need to be broken, until the system catches up.
So you think you ( a criminal) gets to decide what laws should be followed and which ones shouldn't? Oh i see well gee I think it being illegal to steal and pillage is illegal, think I'll start my crusade at your house ::)
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Wasn't all of CA part of Mexico anyway? I don't think that they are jumping over the border. The border jumped over them...
You see Mexico lost the war, Mexico signed a treaty and the US got a large portion of the Southwest. If Mexico has a problem with that then they should have won
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Tough shit. We already have evough poor people.
Have you looked at the welfare demographics? 38% of people on welfare are white, 28% are black and 11% are Hispanic.
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So you think you ( a criminal) gets to decide what laws should be followed and which ones shouldn't? Oh i see well gee I think it being illegal to steal and pillage is illegal, think I'll start my crusade at your house ::)
good luck with that...
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I'm sorry - we as a nation get to decide who comes here, not border jumpers and their prego GF.
No other sane nation does anything like this for obvious reasons. If millions of uneducated pollacks or russians were flooding the nation i would feel the same way.
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good luck with that...
Whatever, you disgust me, because you think you get to decide what laws to follow. And more so that you think for some reason that are entitled to be in America.
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Have you looked at the welfare demographics? 38% of people on welfare are white, 28% are black and 11% are Hispanic.
And look who is bringing up Race again.......
But since you did, Whites are also 80% of the total population, meaning a lower percentage of them are on welfare.
But nice try. ::)
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Whatever, you disgust me, because you think you get to decide what laws to follow. And more so that you think for some reason that are entitled to be in America.
I disgust you? LOL. My job is done here :)
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I disgust you? LOL. My job is done here :)
No other country does what you advocate. You advocate anarchy and chaos for racial reasons which is pure bullshit.
We have 17% UE dont need any more poor peasants who are a drain on the taxpayer.
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No other country does what you advocate. You advocate anarchy and chaos for racial reasons which is pure bullshit.
We have 17% UE dont need any more poor peasants who are a drain on the taxpayer.
Bullshit, closer to 23%.
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Bullshit, closer to 23%.
My bad. was using U6 data - not the broader number. ;D ;D ;D
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No other country does what you advocate. You advocate anarchy and chaos for racial reasons which is pure bullshit.
We have 17% UE dont need any more poor peasants who are a drain on the taxpayer.
what exactly is it that I advocate?
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Alligators in the motherfu*king moat hahaha awesome line, just awesome.
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Alligators in the motherfu*king moat hahaha awesome line, just awesome.
Yeah laugh all you want, but your boy wonder potus just poisoned the well on thisissue to where now nothing will get done whatsoever.
And another thing - he had two years to act on this while he had all demo house and senate? Why now is this an issue?
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Yeah laugh all you want, but your boy wonder potus just poisoned the well on thisissue to where now nothing will get done whatsoever.
And another thing - he had two years to act on this while he had all demo house and senate? Why now is this an issue?
It's not an issue for me. I support amnesty above deportation.
So i don't really care too much, i just love the quote.
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Have you looked at the welfare demographics? 38% of people on welfare are white, 28% are black and 11% are Hispanic.
Well, I believe in order to get Welfare, you'd have to provide a social security #
And you kknow what, a lot of criminals who do check fraud go to Latino owned check cashing places. Why? Because many don't ask for ID ;)
Also, in DC certain consulates give IDs to illegal illegal immigrants
Ever seen someone with a Mexican ID and a US address?
Africans here illegally with scam IBM and HP out of computers and money
Indians over here illegally and legally will get cred card numbers from call centers in India and use your Credit Card
There are many ways to scam the system...
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Have you looked at the welfare demographics? 38% of people on welfare are white, 28% are black and 11% are Hispanic.
Good point. Hispanics are the hardest working people in the country. ::)
No first-world country on the planet advocates open borders. Even ultra-liberal Europe, where they're constantly trying to one-up each other in who can commit cultural suicide the fastest, is building a fence and putting soldiers on the borders with Turkey to keep all the Muslim trash out.
Two years of controlling everything and the Dems didn't even sneeze at amnesty. Says a lot. :)
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This is textbook community agitation saul alinsky style.
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This is textbook community agitation saul alinsky style.
Divide and conquer. The Dems love their class warfare.
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Good point. Hispanics are the hardest working people in the country. ::)
No first-world country on the planet advocates open borders. Even ultra-liberal Europe, where they're constantly trying to one-up each other in who can commit cultural suicide the fastest, is building a fence and putting soldiers on the borders with Turkey to keep all the Muslim trash out.
Two years of controlling everything and the Dems didn't even sneeze at amnesty. Says a lot. :)
Why do you keep mentioning democrats to me? I'm not democratic.
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The point is that bama only brought this up now to agitate and stir the emotions of hispanics.
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The point is that bama only brought this up now to agitate and stir the emotions of hispanics.
cashing in on the OBL newfound capital to push amnesty.
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cashing in on the OBL newfound capital to push amnesty.
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Nice priorities he's got huh?
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Nice priorities he's got huh?
we all knew he'd push this after midterms, didn't we? what's the other one - cap/trade, right?
he's not gonna get any more political capital than he's gonna get for killing oBL. And wouldn't ya know it, he'll push amnesty right thru. Palin supports it. Bloomberg supports it. You have the 2 extremes of the party right there.
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we all knew he'd push this after midterms, didn't we? what's the other one - cap/trade, right?
he's not gonna get any more political capital than he's gonna get for killing oBL. And wouldn't ya know it, he'll push amnesty right thru. Palin supports it. Bloomberg supports it. You have the 2 extremes of the party right there.
Hahahaha, you said the same shit a few months ago and we saw how that worked out. DOA.
The majority of Americans don't want amnesty and Obama knows this isn't going to pass. This is just him paying lip service to the Hispanics as polling shows he's bleeding them almost as badly as he's bleeding independents.
Does it sting knowing that, despite wishing and praying with all your little liberal heart, that amnesty is going to be dead in the water again?
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i hope it doesn't pass. but i fear it will. repubs can't oppose it. they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
They won't call it amnesty. They'll call it "border support" or some bullshit. Like they renamed cap/trade.
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It was once illegal for women or black people to vote. It was once illegal to buy/drink alcohol. So yes, some laws are stupid and need to be broken, until the system catches up.
This is ridiculous logic to attempt to justify the massive illegal immigration taking place in the U.S.
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And look who is bringing up Race again.......
But since you did, Whites are also 80% of the total population, meaning a lower percentage of them are on welfare.
But nice try. ::)
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Whites are not "80% of the population." And your statement is illogical on its face.
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The point is that bama only brought this up now to agitate and stir the emotions of hispanics.
Right, because Hispanics are irrational, emotional and not intelligent enough to decipher whether or not they are being played. ::)
Obama has tackled a lot of issues in two years PEA BRAIN, in case you did not notice. Capturing OBL, health care, financial regulation, etc. He is simply continuing to fight for immigration reform as he promised during his campaign. He introduced The Dream Act and the repubes filibustered it and had it blocked. Obama has not given up, and will not give up on reform.
The Dream Act was a good and strong compromise on the issue. Thanks to the recalcitrant repubes and the manner in which people like PEA BRAIN discuss this issue, it is more than obvious that Obama will once again CRUSH the repube nominee in 2012, getting an overwhelming percentage of the Hispanic vote. ;)
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Right, because Hispanics are irrational, emotional and not intelligent enough to decipher whether or not they are being played. ::)
Obama has tackled a lot of issues in two years PEA BRAIN, in case you did not notice. Capturing OBL, health care, financial regulation, etc. He is simply continuing to fight for immigration reform as he promised during his campaign. He introduced The Dream Act and the repubes filibustered it and had it blocked. Obama has not given up, and will not give up on reform.
The Dream Act was a good and strong compromise on the issue. Thanks to the recalcitrant repubes and the manner in which people like PEA BRAIN discuss this issue, it is more than obvious that Obama will once again CRUSH the repube nominee in 2012, getting an overwhelming percentage of the Hispanic vote. ;)
You are so stupid that you make my hair hurt. Good luck with the whole collective class struggle "movement" to increase America's welfare population. Adding 12 million+ criminals to the Democratic Party's voting base is going to be quite an accomplishment. All things considered, its the only thing that keeps your party of bottom feeders viable. With the rest of the country fed up, you'll need them to stay relevant. Keep Hope Alive Bra!
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Originally I thought that the title of this thread was referring to how NY City residents can keep people in Harlem from entering the Upper East and West Sides of Manhattan.
I guess I should have continued reading.
MindSpin is for illegal immigration because he snuck into this country on the back of a lettuce truck, G4P'd his way to the bottom echelon of the bodybuilding industry and now runs a successful business out of his studio apartment that specializes in dry cleaning BJJ Gi's. In other words, he is an American success story.
Living the dream ladies and gentlemen. Living the dream.
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Loco,
Why is it our responsibility to provide an expedited way of entry for the Mexican Farmer?
It isn't. I never said it was. I was simply explaining to 333386 that many foreigners have no way to enter the US legally. Many Americans don't know that. They see the multitude of immigrants enter the US legally and then go through the legal process of obtaining permanent residence and later naturalization. Then they think that every foreigner has the same opportunity. But that's not the case. In fact, most people who enter the US illegally have no legal way to do it. That's all I'm saying.
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i hope it doesn't pass. but i fear it will. repubs can't oppose it. they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.
They won't call it amnesty. They'll call it "border support" or some bullshit. Like they renamed cap/trade.
It won't pass. They need Republican support for it to pass and Republicans are stating that there are other things, like the economy and securing the border (really securing the border, not just putting a wall in only half the border), that needs to be worked out first.
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Demagoguery 101
By Charles Krauthammer, Published: May 12
WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM
“I’m going to do my part to lead a constructive and civil debate on these issues.”
— Barack Obama, speech on immigration, El Paso, May 10
Constructive and civil debate — like the one Obama initiated just four weeks ago on deficit reduction? The speech in which he accused the Republicans of abandoning families of autistic and Down syndrome kids? The debate in which Obama’s secretary of health and human services said that the Republican Medicare plan would make old folks “die sooner”?
In this same spirit of comity and mutual respect, Obama’s most recent invitation to civil discourse — on immigration — came just 11 minutes after he accused opponents of moving the goal posts on border enforcement. “Maybe they’ll need a moat,” he said sarcastically. “Maybe they want alligators in the moat.”
Nice touch. Looks like the Tucson truce — no demonization, no cross-hairs metaphors — is officially over. After all, the Republicans want to kill off the elderly, throw the disabled in the snow and watch alligators lunch on illegal immigrants.
The El Paso speech is notable not for breaking any new ground on immigration but for perfectly illustrating Obama’s political style: the professorial, almost therapeutic, invitation to civil discourse, wrapped around the basest of rhetorical devices — charges of malice compounded with accusations of bad faith. “They’ll never be satisfied,” said Obama about border control. “And I understand that. That’s politics.”
How understanding. The other side plays “politics,” Obama acts in the public interest. Their eyes are on poll numbers, political power, the next election; Obama’s rest fixedly on the little children.
This impugning of motives is an Obama constant. “They” play politics with deficit reduction, with government shutdowns, with health care. And now immigration. It is ironic that such a charge should be made in a speech that is nothing but politics. There is zero chance of any immigration legislation passing Congress in the next two years. El Paso was simply an attempt to gin up the Hispanic vote as part of an openly political two-city, three-event campaign swing in preparation for 2012.
Accordingly, the El Paso speech featured two other staples: the breathtaking invention and the statistical sleight of hand.
“The [border] fence is now basically complete,” asserted the president. Complete? There are now 350 miles of pedestrian fencing along the Mexican border. The border is 1,954 miles long. That’s 18 percent. And only one-tenth of that 18 percent is the double and triple fencing that has proved so remarkably effective in, for example, the Yuma sector. Another 299 miles — 15 percent — are vehicle barriers that pedestrians can walk right through.
Obama then boasted that on his watch 31 percent more drugs have been seized, 64 percent more weapons — proof of how he has secured the border. And for more proof: Apprehension of illegal immigrants is down 40 percent. Down? Indeed, says Obama, this means that fewer people are trying to cross the border.
Interesting logic. Seizures of drugs and guns go up — proof of effective border control. Seizures of people go down — yet more proof of effective border control. Up or down, it matters not. Whatever the numbers, Obama vindicates himself.
You can believe this flimflam or you can believe the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office. The GAO reported in February that less than half the border is under “operational control” of the government. Which undermines the entire premise of Obama’s charge that, because the border is effectively secure, “Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement” didn’t really mean it.
I count myself among those who really do mean it. I have little doubt that most Americans would be quite willing to regularize and legalize the current millions of illegal immigrants if they were convinced that this was the last such cohort, as evidenced by, say, a GAO finding that the border is under full operational control and certification to the same effect by the governors of the four southern border states.
Americans are a generous people. Upon receipt of objective and reliable evidence that the border is secure — not Obama’s infinitely manipulable interdiction statistics — the question would be settled and the immigrants legalized.
Why doesn’t Obama put such a provision in comprehensive immigration legislation?
Because for Obama, immigration reform is not about legislation, it’s about reelection. If I may quote the president: I understand that. That’s politics.
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
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Whites are not "80% of the population." And your statement is illogical on its face.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
"White persons, percent : 79.6%"
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May 12, 2011
Obama's Immigration Reform Vision: Clouded by Cynicism
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By Mark Salter
President Obama made a campaign stop in El Paso, Texas, this past Monday to shore up his support from Hispanic voters, who are disappointed by his failure to achieve comprehensive reform of our immigration laws.
To be clear, he did not go to El Paso to encourage Congress to pass reform legislation, the purpose he claimed in his remarks. On the contrary, his very partisan speech castigating Republicans for their continued insistence on improved border security in advance of other reforms almost certainly made that task harder, not easier, to achieve, as he surely knew it would.
Obama did not use the speech to announce he would institute some reforms by executive order rather than legislation, as reform supporters hoped he would. He did not announce that the White House would send Congress draft legislation he would like passed. In an interview with reporters, a White House aide explained, "Often when the White House just puts something on the table, it can become a point of conflict and not an inflection point to move forward."
The president would have us believe that cynically mocking Republicans for their supposed cynicism -- "Maybe Republicans will say we need a moat," he joked, "or alligators in the moat; they'll never be satisfied" -- wasn't offered as a point of conflict but to move forward the bipartisan cooperation necessary to pass a bill.
None of this comes as much of a surprise. Obama has never been serious about passing immigration reform. But he has been very adroit at using the unresolved issue to advance his own political interests.
In 2005, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John McCain sponsored comprehensive legislation that would have made substantial improvements to border security, establish a guest-worker program, and give the 12 to 20 million immigrants now living here illegally a path to citizenship. It certainly had its critics, mostly on the right but many on the left as well. Much of organized labor took exception to the guest-worker provisions.
A bipartisan group of senators supporting the bill formed an informal caucus to help guide it successfully through Senate debate. They met every morning in a room just off the Senate chamber to discuss plans for defending the bill from amendments that would reduce its chances of passage. Then-Sen. Barack Obama asked to join in those discussions.
As an aide to McCain, I was in the room for every one of those meetings. It was my first opportunity to observe Obama closely. During those meetings, I never saw him engage in any discussion concerned with building a majority vote in favor of the legislation. In the meetings he attended, he would draw from his shirt pocket a 3x5 index card, on which he had written changes he insisted be made to the bill before he would support it. They were invariably the same demands made by the AFL-CIO, which was intent on watering down or killing the guest-worker provisions. Republicans and Democrats alike were irritated by his transparently self-interested behavior, but tried to negotiate with him. He remained adamant in his positions and unwilling to compromise.
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The bill passed the Senate anyway, but was rejected by the House of Representatives. Two years later, Senate supporters tried again with a bill that was mostly authored by Kennedy and Jon Kyl, who had opposed the previous bill. McCain and Obama were then formally running for president, but they still managed to participate in the debate. McCain was an original sponsor, and his staff had helped to negotiate and write many of the compromises it contained. His position did not have much support among Republican primary voters, and his rivals for the Republican nomination attacked him constantly for it.
The bill's supporters reconvened their bipartisan caucus and daily meetings. They agreed that should any proposed amendments be unacceptable to either party's members in the group, they would all oppose them. The only dissenter from this agreement was Barack Obama, who not only refused to oppose the amendments that would hurt the bill's chances of passage, but actually sponsored some of them. His actions were not the only cause of the immigration reform's failure to pass the Senate that year, but they certainly contributed to it.
That didn't trouble Latinos in the 2008 general election. They were incensed by Republican opposition to comprehensive reform, and the incendiary language some opponents used to defeat it. Obama received more than twice the number of Hispanic votes McCain received.
Republican opposition to comprehensive reform poses a serious political problem for the GOP in the next election, which will only grow worse in the future as the Hispanic population in the United States continues to increase. I believe a comprehensive bill is in the best interests of Republicans as well as the best interests of the country. It is a practical solution to a difficult problem.
President Obama's speech Monday, like his disingenuous "support" of reform efforts in earlier congresses, is smart politics even though it hurts the cause of reform. But I never said he wasn't a smart politician. Just a very cynical one.
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Mark Salter is the former chief of staff to Senator John McCain and was a senior adviser to the McCain for President campaign.
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Krauthammer is the man. He tore Obama a new one with that article. He is by far the most intelligent and most logical political commentator out there.
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As an aide to McCain, I was in the room for every one of those meetings. It was my first opportunity to observe Obama closely. During those meetings, I never saw him engage in any discussion concerned with building a majority vote in favor of the legislation. In the meetings he attended, he would draw from his shirt pocket a 3x5 index card, on which he had written changes he insisted be made to the bill before he would support it. They were invariably the same demands made by the AFL-CIO, which was intent on watering down or killing the guest-worker provisions. Republicans and Democrats alike were irritated by his transparently self-interested behavior, but tried to negotiate with him. He remained adamant in his positions and unwilling to compromise.
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A fraud and fake from start to finish.
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Obama getting pimped out by the AFL-CIO. What happened to CHANGE? I thought it was supposed to be different under Obama? LOL!!!
He says that Republicans politicize the issue of illegal immigration. Obama cares so much for the immigrants that he did nothing for them in the first 2 years of his presidency when his own party had full control and could have rammed amnesty through as they did with the unconstitutional Obamacare.
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It won't pass. They need Republican support for it to pass and Republicans are stating that there are other things, like the economy and securing the border (really securing the border, not just putting a wall in only half the border), that needs to be worked out first.
I hope youre right.
But I've heard a lot of republicans say things throughout the last few years that makes me wonder. IF IF IF they see it an inevitable, they aren't going to let themselves be on the wrong side of it to appease their tea party base.
The hispanic vote is much bigger than the tea party vote for more centrist national candidates.
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The bill's supporters reconvened their bipartisan caucus and daily meetings. They agreed that should any proposed amendments be unacceptable to either party's members in the group, they would all oppose them. The only dissenter from this agreement was Barack Obama, who not only refused to oppose the amendments that would hurt the bill's chances of passage, but actually sponsored some of them. His actions were not the only cause of the immigration reform's failure to pass the Senate that year, but they certainly contributed to it.
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Case closed. He is an agent of chaos.
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I hope youre right.
But I've heard a lot of republicans say things throughout the last few years that makes me wonder. IF IF IF they see it an inevitable, they aren't going to let themselves be on the wrong side of it to appease their tea party base.
The hispanic vote is much bigger than the tea party vote for more centrist national candidates.
I believe that eventually, as much as I dislike the idea, all those criminals that came here illegaly will receive amnesty. I think that only the ones who have been paying taxes should get amnesty, the rest should be kicked out. But, I know the government won't put in the time, nor the effort to do the right thing. But, all of that should be done ONLY after the border is completely secured. Double, triple walls on the ENTIRE BORDER with a lot more border agents than there are now. I would like to see our military on the border. Get them out of Iraq and put them on the border.
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The communist piece of disgusting trash aka obama just killed any chance of anything getting done on this with his vile speech and race/class/age/sex/ warfare crap.
So in a way, I'm glad he made that speech. Not only did he probably make amnesty doa for a awhile, but he again exposed himself for the vile asshole he really is.
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3333, Obama was supposed to be a uniter according to all the fools that voted for him and were singing "Oh, Happy Day" when he was elected.
The man is a joke. He claims he wants to work with the Reps in a civil manner, but spends the better part of his speeches lying and bashing the opposition. Any sense of working together just went out the window. He might get enough fools to get him re-elected but he will be a lame duck president for his entire second term.
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It isn't. I never said it was. I was simply explaining to 333386 that many foreigners have no way to enter the US legally. Many Americans don't know that. They see the multitude of immigrants enter the US legally and then go through the legal process of obtaining permanent residence and later naturalization. Then they think that every foreigner has the same opportunity. But that's not the case. In fact, most people who enter the US illegally have no legal way to do it. That's all I'm saying.
Most American don't care, and shouldn't care, and to put it bluntly, your point is meaningless. What they should care about is that 7 out of every 10 illegals are on Welfare and other social programs, that many of our Hospitals are being bankrupted from Illegals, that our schools are being over crowded and underfunded and under staffed, that our Prisons are maxed out with Illegals, and that we are going bankrupt, and that illegal immigration needs to be stopped asap. That's all I'm saying.
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Why should poor people from other countries, wherever they are, have a legal way to come here other than for vacations, short visits etc?
I dont see where anyone has a right to be an immigrant under all and any circumstances.
We have laws in this country, and if that is too hard for people who dont want to wait in line like others - screw em.
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Most American don't care, and shouldn't care, and to put it bluntly, your point is meaningless. What they should care about is that 7 out of every 10 illegals are on Welfare and other social programs, that many of our Hospitals are being bankrupted from Illegals, that our schools are being over crowded and underfunded and under staffed, that our Prisons are maxed out with Illegals, and that we are going bankrupt, and that illegal immigration needs to be stopped asap. That's all I'm saying.
Then why do I keep hearing Americans say that those immigrants who entered the US illegally should have entered legally just like the other immigrants who did? ::)
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Why should poor people from other countries, wherever they are, have a legal way to come here other than for vacations, short visits etc?
I dont see where anyone has a right to be an immigrant under all and any circumstances.
We have laws in this country, and if that is too hard for people who dont want to wait in line like others - screw em.
Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants. Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc. Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them. Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.
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Then why do I keep hearing Americans say that those immigrants who entered the US illegally should have entered legally just like the other immigrants who did? ::)
What they mean is that they should either come legally or don't come here at all. and if that means they never make it because of the timeline, so be it, it is not our responsibility. By the way many poor Mexicans do come here via Agricultural worker Visas.
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Irrelevent.
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Irrelevent.
Exactly.
Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants. Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc. Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them. Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.
Obama also got elected with a majority. Some people are simply clueless to the end results from their bad decisions...
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Obviously, many Americans see the value in those poor immigrants. Just look at the many American homes, their nanny, cleaning lady, the guy who mows the lawn, etc. Also look at the many farms and the many other industries who hire them. Clearly, they see value in those poor immigrants.
Loco I like you, but Im going to have to stick with my Neanderthal conservative brethren on this one.
FYI Obama can naturalize everyone if he wants to with ease. He is making this an "us" versus them debate to hoodwink stupid spanish voters into thinking he actually cares about them. With a call to Eric Holder, amnesty could be granted. Don't be taken in.
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Loco I like you, but Im going to have to stick with my Neanderthal conservative brethren on this one.
FYI Obama can naturalize everyone if he wants to with ease. He is making this an "us" versus them debate to hoodwink stupid spanish voters into thinking he actually cares about them. With a call to Eric Holder, amnesty could be granted. Don't be taken in.
I know this whole thing is just political, and I never said I'm for amnesty. I simply state facts and some people here misinterpret and get infuriated. I've always said that illegal immigration should be illegal.
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Loco I like you, but Im going to have to stick with my Neanderthal conservative brethren on this one.
FYI Obama can naturalize everyone if he wants to with ease. He is making this an "us" versus them debate to hoodwink stupid spanish voters into thinking he actually cares about them. With a call to Eric Holder, amnesty could be granted. Don't be taken in.
I like Loco too, and I usually agree with him on here. but his points on this subject are Irrelevant, as it does not matter one bit why they come here illegally, what matters is that it needs to stop.
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Again - I ask this question all the time - if 10 million zips from Italy showed up tommorow in New York Harbor - no papers, no docs, no background checks, no verifications, etc, do we have obligation to take them in?
Fuck no! Send em back, same w the border jumpers who are looting the nation.
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Again - I ask this question all the time - if 10 million zips from Italy showed up tommorow in New York Harbor - no papers, no docs, no background checks, no verifications, etc, do we have obligation to take them in?
Fuck no! Send em back, same w the border jumpers who are looting the nation.
Of course not. Is there anyone on this thread advocating for that?
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Of course not. Is there anyone on this thread advocating for that?
Yes - you.
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Obama Invokes Bible to Push Immigration Policy
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-invokes-bible-to-push-immigration-policy
"Immigration reform is a moral imperative, and so it's worth seeking greater understanding from our faith. As it is written in the Book of Deuteronomy [10:19], 'Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.' To me, that verse is a call to show empathy to our brothers and our sisters; to try and recognize ourselves in one another."
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FFFUUUBBBOOOOO
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EXCLUSIVE: Border Community Organizing Petition to Protest Obama's Immigration Speech
By Jana Winter
Published May 13, 2011
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/13/exclusive-border-community-organizing-petition-protest-obamas-immigration
A United States Border Patrol agent checks an area under a bridge crossing between the United States and Mexico in El Paso, Texas November 14, 2010. El Paso lies across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, a violent city on the frontlines of Mexico's war against drug cartels. Picture taken November 14, 2010.
The residents of the Chiricahua-Peloncillo drug and human smuggling corridor that runs from the Mexican border north through eastern Arizona and western New Mexico are circulating a petition to send to the White House in response to President Obama's recent immigration speech.
"It is with great wonderment and sadness that we listened to your May 10 speech on immigration issues. All of the joking about moats and alligators cut residents of Portal, AZ, to the core as we sheltered with friends or at a Red Cross evacuation site, to survive a terrible fire that still threatens our lives and property, as well as our ecotourism-based economy," the letter reads.
On Sunday, a massive fire broke out in Horseshoe Canyon, about 50 miles north of the Mexican border, which residents and law enforcement say they believe was started by criminal illegal aliens. Last year, a fire in the same location caused more than $10 million in damages.
"During its first 24-hrs, the fire consumed a greater area than did last year's fire over a 6-week period. Local residents were roused after midnight, and some slept fitfully in cars after fleeing with family photos and any valuables that could be quickly assembled. Elderly retirees left with medical supplies, including oxygen tanks on which some depend," the letter reads.
The petition comes just days after Obama appeared in El Paso, Texas, to plead the case for immigration reform that has been bottled up in Congress for years. During his remarks, the president argued that the border is as safe as it has ever been but Republican opportunists are using the issue to score political points and prevent legal reforms to address illegal immigration.
"We have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement. All the stuff they asked for, we've done," the president said.
"But even though we've answered these concerns, I've got to say I suspect there are still going to be some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time. You know, they said we needed to triple the Border Patrol. Or now they're going to say we need to quadruple the Border Patrol. Or they'll want a higher fence. Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied," he continued.
Jeff Gee, one of the organizers behind the petition and a firefighter battling the still-burning fire in Horseshoe Canyon, says he was insulted by Obama's speech.
“I’m really disappointed at current border security, I’m really disappointed at the president’s speech saying that people like me wants moats with alligators, but moats with alligators might work, nothing else,” he told FoxNews.com.
“We’re doing everything we can to get the word out that this is serious problem, it’s not just a border issue, the drugs and crime are moving through the corridor and they keep going to major cities. I don’t know if this letter will help, but nothing else is."
Cochise County, Ariz., Sheriff Larry Dever, who penned an op-ed in The New York Times Friday describing the plight of border residents, told FoxNews.com that the petition is a plea for the administration to take a closer look at the hardships they are suffering.
"These people are not overreacting. What they suggest in letter is very deep part of their belief system based on their experience and their experience has been horrific -- they see human smuggling and drug trafficking, they sit on their porch and watch people walk through, they've had their homes burglarized," Dever said.
"It's a beautiful landscape and for those that moved out there for a sense of tranquility and peace, that's been destroyed," he added.
The letter has been posted at post offices in the border towns of Portal, Ariz. and Rodeo, New Mexico, for signatures to be added.
Copies of the letter will also be sent to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., Arizona Republican Sens. John McCain and Jon Kyl, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, and National Public Radio.
In the letter, petitioners say that despite the president's protestations, "neither the border nor daily life" is secure.
"Seizure of record quantities of drugs may pad the statistics of Homeland Security, but it does nothing to ease the burdens we have been forced to bear. Over the years, as our homes have been burgled or invaded, our fences, water lines and windows repeatedly broken, our businesses driven toward bankruptcy, our natural surroundings desecrated by trash and fire, and our lives even obliterated (neighbor Rob Krentz, murdered by a drug scout), it has amazed us how little note is taken of these tragedies by our government and the press," the letter reads.
"Is it enough, now that we have suffered back-to-back fires that threaten to erase our very reasons for living here? What must we say or do to garner your attention and help? How is it that, on the same day we took Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, we could not prevent illegals - 50 miles within our borders (!) - from setting a fire along a known smuggling route in an extremely dry year? Why were federal agents (BP, ICE, National Guard, or Special Forces) not posted along this route in anticipation of a repeat of last year's calamity? Better still, why were the illegals not captured before they had traveled 50 miles north of the border?! Or, in the eyes of our government, do we just reside in a 'sacrifice zone'?"
The letter also describes the devastation the fires have caused to the areas unique biodiversity, which attracts bird-watchers and naturalists from around the world.
The petitioners then asks the president to outline how he plans to fulfill his obligation to protect their constitutional right to defense from foreign invasions "especially as this regards fires set by Mexican drug and human smugglers.
"We thank you in advance for your anticipated response," it concludes.
Dever said the residents of the area are generally self-sufficient and do their part, "but they also expect government agencies to take some responsibility. They're not, and these people are suffering the consequences," Dever said.
The residents will "come together and unite in this front," he added. "They're not going to give up. They're not going to roll over."
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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
"White persons, percent : 79.6%"
2010 Census :
72.4%, of which 26.7million are white Hispanics or Latino Americans
Excluding these, this category comprises 63.7% or 196.8 million
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Gov. Brewer to Obama: Stop the Jokes, Secure the Border
Fox News ^ | May 14, 2011
Posted on May 14, 2011 3:17:19 PM EDT by jazusamo
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer wasn't laughing when President Obama stood at the U.S.-Mexico border Tuesday and joked that Republican lawmakers who won't support a sweeping overhaul of the immigration system until the border is secured won't be happy until they get a moat with alligators along the border.
"I think he should get back to business being the president of the United States," Brewer told Fox News on Saturday.
"I don't think his comic attitude and laughing at a serious issue is being very well received, certainly not here in Arizona, I would imagine not across America," she said. "This is a serious situation. And for him to go to a pep rally and make light of the situation is unbelievable."
In a new video created by the Arizona Republican Party and posted to YouTube, Brewer tells Obama to stop the jokes, do his job and secure the border.
The video notes that Brewer invited Obama to visit the Arizona border nearly a year ago, but he declined.
In his speech on Tuesday, Obama boasted of increasing border patrol agents, nearing completion of a border fence, and screening more cargo.
But the video says the U.S. Border Patrol controls only 44 percent of the border with Mexico – only 15 percent of that right on the border, according to the Government Accountability Office.
The video also notes that Mexican drug cartels are operating in more than 230 U.S. cities, according to the State Department, and points out that Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed in December by an armed group of illegal immigrants.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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May 16, 2011
Obama's Hypocritical Rhetoric on Immigration Reform
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By Michael Barone
Barack Obama's immigration speech in El Paso May 10 was an exercise in electioneering and hypocrisy. Hypocrisy because while Obama complained about "politicians" blocking comprehensive immigration bills, he was one of them himself.
In 2007, when such a bill was backed by a lame duck Republican president and had bipartisan backing from Senate heavyweights Edward Kennedy and Jon Kyl, Sen. Obama voted for union-backed amendments that Kennedy and Kyl opposed as bill-killers.
In 2009 and 2010, President Obama acquiesced in Speaker Nancy Pelosi's decision to pass cap-and-trade and bypass immigration and in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision not to bring an immigration bill to the floor.
Both times the votes were probably there to pass a bill. Obama did not lift a finger to help.
But that did not stop the president who is constantly calling for civility to heap scorn on those who seek stronger enforcement. "They'll want a higher fence. Maybe they'll need a moat," he said to laughter from the largely Latino audience. "Maybe they'll want alligators in the moat. They'll never be satisfied."
Was that on the teleprompter, or was it ad-libbed? In either case, Obama was showing his contempt for those who bitterly cling to the idea that the law should be enforced.
That's no way to assemble the bipartisan coalition necessary to pass an immigration bill.
It's obvious that nothing like the legalization (opponents say "amnesty") provisions considered in 2007 can pass in this Congress. They can never pass the Republican House, where Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith is a longstanding opponent and Speaker John Boehner will not schedule a bill not approved in committee.
Nor will this Congress pass the most attractive proposal Obama mentioned, the Dream Act, providing a path to legalization for those brought in illegally as children who enroll in college or serve in the military. That failed last December in a more Democratic Senate and won't pass now.
Some new approach is needed, and Obama did little to point the way. One idea, advanced by a bipartisan Brookings Institution panel, is a bill that would strengthen enforcement and would shift the U.S. away from low-skill and toward high-skill immigration.
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Canada and Australia have done this to their great benefit. And with a sluggish economy it makes little sense, as current law does, to give preference to low-skill siblings of minimum wage workers rather than to engineering and science Ph.D.s. We need more job creators, not more job seekers.
The problem here is that the lobbying forces backing comprehensive legislation don't favor such an approach. Latino groups and lobbies representing employers of low-skill workers are interested in legalizing the low-skill Latinos who make up the majority of the 11 million illegal immigrants.
High-tech firms seek more H-1B visas for high-skill graduates, but these tie immigrants to particular employers. They don't have an interest in provisions allowing these people to work for anyone they don't like or to start their own businesses, as they can in Canada and Australia.
In the absence of significant lobbying support, the only way to provide support for Brookings-style legislation is a bold presidential initiative advertising it as a clean break from past proposals.
Obama didn't come close to doing that in El Paso. He included a few words about letting in more high-skill folks, but didn't suggest any reduction in low-skill immigration.
And he said only a few words about workplace enforcement on which his administration has developed a valuable new tool.
That's a refinement of the E-Verify electronic system now available in which employers can verify the Social Security numbers of new employees.
The Department of Homeland Security has been ironing out glitches in E-Verify and, as former National Security Agency general counsel Stewart Baker reports, DHS now allows job-seekers in some states to use E-Verify before applying for a job not only to check their status but also to protect against identity theft.
The administration has been attacking state laws requiring employers to use E-Verify. If Obama were serious about enforcement, he would be calling for mandatory E-Verify. That would be a more effective tool against illegal immigration than even the strongest border enforcement.
But as Obama's record makes clear, he's not really interested in passing a law. He knows his support has been slipping among Latino voters, and he wants to goose it back up. El Paso was all about election 2012, not serious immigration reform.
Copyright 2011, Creators Syndicate Inc.
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Irrelevent.
No, not irrelevant. If there is a demand for foreign workers, shouldn't they be given work permits to enter the US legally and work there? Just asking!
My experience with the US is that it doesn't matter what the restaurant is, Italian, Chinese, Mexican, American. You go in the back and you'll find that the restaurant is run by Hispanics, they cook, they clean, they fix stuff, etc. Many construction sites have on average one Caucasian guy and a legion of Hispanics.
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I like Loco too, and I usually agree with him on here. but his points on this subject are Irrelevant, as it does not matter one bit why they come here illegally, what matters is that it needs to stop.
Thanks James! I'm just asking questions. If you want to stop them from going into the US illegally, is giving them work permits not a way to stop that?
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No, not irrelevant. If there is a demand for foreign workers, shouldn't they be given work permits to enter the US legally and work there? Just asking!
My experience with the US is that it doesn't matter what the restaurant is, Italian, Chinese, Mexican, American. You go in the back and you'll find that the restaurant is run by Hispanics, they cook, they clean, they fix stuff, etc. Many construction sites have on average one Caucasian guy and a legion of Hispanics.
The only reason there is a supposed "demand" is that employers get to exploit these people at below cost rates. The illegals dont care since they have already shown a disregard for the law and send whatever they make home and stink up the joint here. 25 in a room, flop houses, etc.
The jobs that these illegals are doing used to be done by teens looking for work, low skilled people looking for a part time job, etc.
Its a false demand created by lax enforcement by immigration laws.
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The only reason there is a supposed "demand" is that employers get to exploit these people at below cost rates. The illegals dont care since they have already shown a disregard for the law and send whatever they make home and stink up the joint here. 25 in a room, flop houses, etc.
The jobs that these illegals are doing used to be done by teens looking for work, low skilled people looking for a part time job, etc.
Its a false demand created by lax enforcement by immigration laws.
Employers get to exploit these people at below cost rates? Aren't there laws already in the books to prevent this?
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Who cares what the laws are if they are not enforced?
Until a lot of employers are jailed and bankrupted for hiring illegals, the exploitation will continue.
Why would employers hire a legal citizen and all the paperwork, payroll taxes, bs, workers comp, when he can hire an illegal for the same hourly price without the added bs?
Evan Ceasar Chavez was against illegals taking jobs.
Illegals have also destroyed the wage rate for many professions blue collar men used to have.
Many men who did not go to college used to be able to get a decent paying construction job that could pay bills. No more, nowe the illegals, like the locusts they are, destroyed that. So now we have what is known as a man-cession.
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Who cares what the laws are if they are not enforced?
Until a lot of employers are jailed and bankrupted for hiring illegals, the exploitation will continue.
Why would employers hire a legal citizen and all the paperwork, payroll taxes, bs, workers comp, when he can hire an illegal for the same hourly price without the added bs?
Evan Ceasar Chavez was against illegals taking jobs.
Illegals have also destroyed the wage rate for many professions blue collar men used to have.
Many men who did not go to college used to be able to get a decent paying construction job that could pay bills. No more, nowe the illegals, like the locusts they are, destroyed that. So now we have what is known as a man-cession.
So illegals are bad because they are too much of a temptation for American employers to break the law?
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So illegals are bad because they are too much of a temptation for American employers to break the law?
Its not a temptation - its reality.
Illegals are far less prone to file workers comp claims, file UE claims, tort lawsuits, etc since they fear being deported and having the cash cut off to send home to wherever they came from.
Bro - you seem like a nice guy - but your blind spot on this is so big its not funny.
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Employers get to exploit these people at below cost rates? Aren't there laws already in the books to prevent this?
If there are illegal immigrants working for a company, who are not going to file individual taxes. Why wouldn't a company or a contractor not pay below minimum wage? Or not even pay them for the work they have done? You have never heard of such things happening?
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Its not a temptation - its reality.
Illegals are far less prone to file workers comp claims, file UE claims, tort lawsuits, etc since they fear being deported and having the cash cut off to send home to wherever they came from.
Bro - you seem like a nice guy - but your blind spot on this is so big its not funny.
Just trying to understand.
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If there are illegal immigrants working for a company, who are not going to file individual taxes. Why wouldn't a company or a contractor not pay below minimum wage? Or not even pay them for the work they have done? You have never heard of such things happening?
I thought illegals applied with fake papers, which means taxes and social security would be taken out of their paychecks before they receive them.
Around 10% of social security funds are from illegal workers with fake papers who contribute, but will never collect.
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Just trying to understand.
You are only looking at the problem from the worker point of view. Yes many are hard working decent people, no one disputes that. However, they bring massive problems to the labor market for domestic legal citizens and taxpayers that far outweight any benefits they allegedly bring.
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I thought illegals applied with fake papers, which means taxes and social security would be taken out of their paychecks before they receive them.
Around 10% of social security funds are from illegal workers with fake papers who contribute, but will never collect.
They take out far more than they pay in overall. Plus, many file returns and claim the EITC as well as claim dependents in other countries and get that money back, plus some.
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I thought illegals applied with fake papers, which means taxes and social security would be taken out of their paychecks before they receive them.
Around 10% of social security funds are from illegal workers with fake papers who contribute, but will never collect.
I know several contractors where I live. Just speaking of contractors (roofing, construction, etc). Many just pick them off the street and pay them under the table. Even some local business do the same thing. They can pay them less than minimum or not even pay them. There are a lot of stories on the paper of illegal immigrants complaining about how they did not get paid at all for their work.
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http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/mexico-detains-513-people-crammed-into-two-us-bound-trucks-20110517-ncx
Mexico Detains 513 People Crammed Into Two US-Bound Trucks
Updated: Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 2:56 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 2:56 PM EDT
TUXTLA GUTIERREZ, Mexico - Police on Tuesday detained 513 undocumented migrants from Latin America and Asia who were crammed into two trucks bound for the United States, prosecutors in southeast Mexico said.
The migrants, from Latin America, Japan, China, India and Nepal, "were traveling in inhuman conditions" in the southeastern state of Chiapas, near the Guatemalan border, the local attorney general's office said in a statement.
Police stopped the trucks, carrying 240 and 273 people, on the outskirts of state capital Tuxtla Gutierrez early Tuesday, after they accelerated through a vehicle scanner at a police checkpoint, the statement said.
Officers chased down the vehicles shortly afterward, it added.
Police detained the Mexican drivers of the two trucks, and the migrants were provided with aid and food, the statement said.
Mexican lawmakers last month unanimously approved a law to "strengthen the protection and security" of migrants amid widespread abuse.
Rights groups have long criticized Mexico for failing to protect tens of thousands of migrants, mainly from Central America, trying to cross the vast country to illegally enter the US each year.
The gruesome discovery of 72 murdered migrants from Central and South America in northeastern Tamaulipas state last August increased pressure on the government to act.
Copyright 2011 AFP. All rights reserved
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Immigration
University Insiders: Illegal Immigrants Get Affirmative Action
By Maxim Lott
Published May 17, 2011
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Gov. Martin O'Malley signed a bill to require the state's public universities to give undocumented aliens -- generally illegal -- in-state tuition privileges.
The bill, known as the Dream Act, is already the law in ten other states, including California, New York, Texas and Illinois.
But critics argue that the bill will give illegal aliens better treatment than Americans and legal immigrants -- thanks to existing diversity policies at universities.
University of Maryland (College Park) computer science Prof. James Purtilo told FoxNews.com that, during his time as an associate dean, he frequently saw admission officers favor students because of their “undocumented” status.
"They favor students with special circumstances. 'Undocumented alien' would be one of these special circumstances... They help fill out the diversity picture for the admissions office."
"It was just the norm," Purtillo added, "that obviously we need more of these students [undocumented aliens]… 'this student has a real story to tell' would be a common thing the admissions officers would say. Or that 'they're enriching the College Park experience.'"
University of Maryland spokesman Millree Williams said because admissions staff were either busy with commencement ceremonies or on vacation, he was unable to answer questions about the university’s affirmative action policies as of Tuesday morning.
Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland, which pushed for the bill, said he thought the concern over affirmative action was a non-issue. He noted that in the current system, undocumented immigrants are discriminated against in many ways.
“I don't see how [they could have an advantage.] Those kids don't qualify for anything at this point – their only benefit right now is in-state tuition. They can’t get scholarships or anything.”
President Obama also renewed his push last week for a national Dream Act, which would go further and provide a path to citizenship for undocumented students.
“We should stop punishing innocent young people for the actions of their parents,” Obama said at the Mexico-Texas border on Tuesday. “We should stop denying them the chance to earn an education or serve in the military. And that's why we need to pass the DREAM Act.”
Critics of the Dream acts say that affirmative action is simply built into the system for most illegal immigrants.
“Almost everyone who would benefit from the DREAM act would also benefit from affirmative action,” Steven Camarota, the research director for the think tank Center for Immigration Studies told FoxNews.com.
“A state school wouldn't say, well, you're a Dream Act kid, so you don't get affirmative action,” he added. “I worked in admissions at a small college for a while (at Juniata, Pa.) and the affirmative action stuff just runs on auto pilot. If you check the box, you get put in the [affirmative action] applicant pool. That's just how it works.
“We have to ask the question: Can you have mass immigration and affirmative action? Does that lead to a just social policy?”
Affirmative action benefits can be substantial. A study of selective universities by Princeton sociologists Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Radford found that listing one’s race as “Hispanic” instead of ‘White” increased the likelihood of being admitted by the same amount as scoring an extra 130 points on the SAT. Compared to Asians, the study found, Hispanics receive a 240-point advantage.
Has this played out in states that have already passed Dream Acts? California, which has had a Dream Act since 2001, would seem immune due to a state law forbidding universities from using race as a factor in admissions.
University of California spokesman Ricardo Vazquez told FoxNews.com that their policy is to treat “all students equally in the admissions process without regard to their race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin.”
“Residency status is not taken into consideration at all in the admissions process,” he also noted.
However, the data show that Hispanic students admitted to the University of California system had lower GPAs and SAT scores than White or Asian students who came from families with similar incomes. For example, admitted Hispanic students whose parents made more than $120,000/year had an average SAT score of 1749, while Asian students with parents making that much had an average of 1890, 151 points higher. For Whites it was 1844.
A similar pattern holds for GPAs, and for individual schools within the University of California system. Scores are not separated by legal residency status.
Vazquez said the differences in scores were not due to race, but rather “the school context in which an applicant studied, a broad variety of both academic and nonacademic achievements and talents, and a range of family circumstances beyond income and parental education level.”
Back in Maryland, Purtilo said that one reason he is speaking out about his university’s practices is that he feels they are unfair to U.S. citizens.
“Too bad for the very well prepared student, a U.S. citizen and taxpayer in this state, whose parents might once have thought their kids should have a shot at the flagship campus,” he said.
Dream Act supporters question what is wrong with applying the same policies that apply to citizens – even if it’s affirmative action – to undocumented students. And Torres notes that many undocumented immigrants, despite being in the country illegally, do pay taxes.
“[Despite being undocumented] the parents are working anyway -- and we actually help those parents have a tax ID number, so they can pay taxes.
“This is about opportunities for people. And we prefer those people to be professionals, because when you are a professional, you pay more taxes -- you prosper and make more contributions to society.”
Maryland's Dream Act differs from the other states' acts by only granting in-state tuition if the parents of the undocumented student have paid state taxes for at least three years.
“We really have one of the most conservative Dream Acts,” Torres noted, adding that he places his biggest hopes in a national Dream act that includes a path to citizenship.
“We really, really hope it will happen. It is our dream that the state law will be the base for it.”
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Obama Trawling For Hispanic Votes Not Real Immigration Reform
http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2011/05/17/obama_trawling_for_hispanic_vo.html
By Alicia Colon
How clever of President Obama to recruit a Hispanic with absolutely no credibility on the immigration issue but who looks really hot. Eva Longoria, the Desperate Housewife on ABC TV, was born in Texas and may be of Mexican heritage but she hardly speaks for all Hispanics when she said that failure to pass an amnesty bill was costing Obama support in the Hispanic community. She's another actress who confirms Truman Capote's opinion that actors are dumb. Actually what he said was, "The better the actor, the more stupid he is." Having seen Ms. Longoria's body of work maybe she's just a little dumb but very naïve to believe that President Obama has any intention of reforming immigration laws.
Rosario Dawson is another Obama recruit who has more of my background as she was born in New York City and grew up in the tenements as I did. Other recruits included Jose Diaz-Balart born in Ft. Lauderdale and an anchorman for Telemundo; America Ferrera and Maria Elena Salinas both actresses born in Los Angeles. None of these celebrities have a clue about how the rest of the country feel about illegal immigration but we're supposed to be thrilled about the amnesty issue because Obama thinks he can get us to reelect him. Ha!
I'm not being lazy by having others write my column for me this week but I've selected statements from two conservative Hispanics, one a Mexican immigrant and the other a New York Puerto Rican, because they speak very well for all us who love this country and feel blessed to be here.
#1: I am a conservative Hispanic. I came to the US in 1966 at the age of 3. My parents came from Guanajuato Mexico and we lived in Tijuana for about a year before we came across the border to the US.
My current view on immigration is 1) seal the border. I would even like to see it militarized. 2) institute e-verify. 3) a comprehensive immigration policy created. Maybe one where employers sponsor an immigrant and pay some of the fees to give them legalized. 4) ALL CONVICTED Felons deported (I have no sympathy for felons. I am 48 years old and I NEVER committed a felony). If you have a felony that wasn't downgraded in a plea, as usually happens, you are one bad person. 5) a deal where Mexican prisoners in American jails are transferred to Mexican jails (I'd even pay for it - Mexican jails are horrible and cheaper).
We don't have the same kind of immigrant we had back in 66. Mexico is no longer the third world country it was (save for the border states with a transient population) when people came over for a better life. Mexico now has the 8th largest economy in the world. My family in Mexico lives VERY well, coming from poverty. The draw today is in large part the social services they get and a super porous border. I know of people that commute regularly from Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez without visas. Our liberal policies have destroyed black families and now Hispanic families.
We let our immigration policy deteriorate and now we are hesitant to enforce it at all. I want people to follow a process that is fair, but I want a process, not just blanket amnesty every couple of years.
#2 From a fellow New York Puerto Rican.
I am against any reform that does not address border security and enforcement. Also, I do not think we should be coddling illegal immigrants regardless of where they come from. Our immigration laws are not to be trampled. They are laws much like criminal and civil laws. You break them, you pay the price. Our immigration laws are not the problem. The problem lies with nations who send their citizens to us, who promote such policy with disregard to our laws and our sovereignty. The other part of the problematic equation is with our political and business leaders who quietly accept this illegal immigration wave for cheap labor with careless disregard for the American workforce. Our nation abolished slavery 150 years ago, but finds it acceptable to shortchange Americans and legal resident aliens with illegals. Not acceptable and not Constitutional. Why do we complain to the Chinese when they use cheap labor to produce goods they ship to us, but our leaders allow illegal alien cheap labor to cut our fruits and vegetables and cook our foods at fast foods? The double standard is too unctuous. The USA has a dearth of leadership. It's no longer about American morality as it was back in the 1950s but American commerce at any cheap cost today. I don't make political decisions based on my ethnicity, but on my Americaness. Namely, What is good for the USA? There are millions of Hispanic conservatives who agree with me.
There really are millions of us but the mainstream media is only interested in hearing from La Raza, a government funded leftwing non-profit that lobbies the Senate for open borders and amnesty for illegals. Whenever New Yorkers for Immigration Control and Enforcement (www.NYICE.us) shows up to protest illegal immigration this group is ignored by the press even though its members include Hispanics and blacks. They have been physically attacked in NYC by liberals objecting to their signs urging border security.
For proof that we exist look no further than last November. We are the ones that elected Marco Rubio to the Senate and Brian Sandoval and Susana Martinez to the governorships of Nevada and New Mexico. We are now the largest minority group in the nation and we still do not have any one to represent our interests. That's because we are Americans and don't need a special interest group with a secret agenda that only wants government funding.
My opinion on immigration should be just as valid as those celebrities that the president schmoozed with and I agree with my fellow correspondents. Secure the border first. Anyone who does not understand that since 9/11 is a moron. Forget amnesty. Overhaul the Immigration and Naturalization Service and replace the agents who rubberstamped visas for terrorists and deported worthy immigrants. Cancel the diversity green card lottery and instead examine each applicant thoroughly. Funnel money into revamping and modernizing the INS so the process is efficient and quicker.
As long as the Democrats remain in power, the problem of illegals will not go away unless we enact voter fraud measures.
To all those Hispanic celebrities that drink this administration's Kool-Aid - "You Do Not Speak For Us."
Alicia Colon resides in New York City and can be reached at aliciav.colon@gmail.com and at www.aliciacolon.com
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Alligators, Moats and Other Such Nonsense
www.Townhall.com ^ | May 19, 2011 | Victor Davis Hanson
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President Obama gave what was billed as an important speech on immigration last week near the border in El Paso, Texas. Unfortunately, it was one of the most demagogic moments in recent presidential history. Nearly everything Obama said was either factually incorrect or deliberately misleading.
Why, 28 months into the Obama presidency, is there now a sudden push to pass "comprehensive" immigration reform? After all, from 2009 to early 2011, Obama had large Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate. Why hasn't Obama already rammed through his own immigration bill, as he did with health care?
The answer, of course, is that about 70 percent of the American people consistently poll against the president's initiatives on illegal immigration. Obama simply did not want to sign an easily passable bill that would earn him further unpopularity.
But now he has lost the House. A close re-election bid looms. The president is enjoying a sudden bounce in popularity after the capture of Osama bin Laden. He needs to firm up his base of Latino supporters. Presto: time to blame Republicans for his own past unwillingness to get a bill through his Democratic Congress.
Obama's demagoguery seemed to work on the crowd in El Paso. It interrupted the president's speech to answer, "Tear it down," when he mentioned the border fence. The audience booed, and jeered on cue, "They're racist," when he went after Republicans. And it joined Obama, the sudden cheerleader in chief, in chanting, "Yes, we can."
In blaming Republicans, Obama charged that their fears about open borders were groundless since, "The fence is now basically complete." And to emphasize that claim, he mocked his opponents by saying, "Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they'll need alligators in the moat."
That sounds cute. But it is again quite untrue. The fence is most assuredly not "basically" complete. Currently, fewer than 700 miles of the more than 1,900-mile border have any sort of barrier. And less than 5 percent of the border has a secure double-fenced impediment. Even with increased patrols, a recent Government Accountability Office study found that 40 percent of the border is essentially open and unguarded. There are still well over a half-million illegal border crossings per year.
In a fit of projection, the president also accused his opponents of politicking the issue for partisan advantage: "We've seen a lot of blame and a lot of politics and a lot of ugly rhetoric around immigration."
That too was a distortion for at least two reasons. One, during the 2010 midterm election, the president himself urged Latinos to "punish" their political "enemies." That advice sure seemed like "ugly rhetoric."
And in the El Paso speech, the president rallied his listeners to go lobby for his proposals: "So I'm asking you to add your voices to this debate. You can sign up to help at whitehouse.gov." Whipping up crowds to log onto his website seems just like "the usual Washington games" that Obama deplored in the speech.
The president also deliberately confused legal and illegal immigration in lamenting the inability of highly skilled immigrants to obtain work visas and citizenship opportunities. But polls show wide support for legal immigration based on skill sets, not just on proximity to the border or family ties.
What the president did not dare reveal was that to let in professionals and business people from around the world, based on their skills and earning potential, might also mean to curtail those without education and capital -- in other words, to discourage the millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico who don't speak English or have high school educations, and who often have little means of support but apparent political clout.
Even when the president offered some sensible proposals about illegal aliens paying fines, applying formally for citizenship and learning English, he was still disingenuous. Obama deliberately floated these proposals to his partisan audience without any details of enforcement, since to do so would likely turn off the cheering crowd.
So how exactly would Obama coerce some 11 million illegal aliens into paying a fine, returning to the immigration line to apply legally, or learning English? By threat of deportation or incarceration?
The vast majority of the American public is not racist or "playing politics" in worrying about out-of-control illegal immigration. The enforcement of existing federal immigration law has become a joke. Drug violence in Mexico is destabilizing an entire country and spilling over the border. Jobs are scarce, with unemployment here still at 9 percent. Many billions of dollars in remittances to Mexico leave the American Southwest, often from illegal aliens who rely on American social services to make up the difference.
These are serious issues that deserve more from a president than re-election pandering at the border and bad jokes about alligators and moats.
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Dead on as usual.
Fuck obama and those who support him.
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Alligators, Moats and Other Such Nonsense
www.Townhall.com ^ | May 19, 2011 | Victor Davis Hanson
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President Obama gave what was billed as an important speech on immigration last week near the border in El Paso, Texas. Unfortunately, it was one of the most demagogic moments in recent presidential history. Nearly everything Obama said was either factually incorrect or deliberately misleading.
Why, 28 months into the Obama presidency, is there now a sudden push to pass "comprehensive" immigration reform? After all, from 2009 to early 2011, Obama had large Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate. Why hasn't Obama already rammed through his own immigration bill, as he did with health care?
The answer, of course, is that about 70 percent of the American people consistently poll against the president's initiatives on illegal immigration. Obama simply did not want to sign an easily passable bill that would earn him further unpopularity.
But now he has lost the House. A close re-election bid looms. The president is enjoying a sudden bounce in popularity after the capture of Osama bin Laden. He needs to firm up his base of Latino supporters. Presto: time to blame Republicans for his own past unwillingness to get a bill through his Democratic Congress.
Obama's demagoguery seemed to work on the crowd in El Paso. It interrupted the president's speech to answer, "Tear it down," when he mentioned the border fence. The audience booed, and jeered on cue, "They're racist," when he went after Republicans. And it joined Obama, the sudden cheerleader in chief, in chanting, "Yes, we can."
In blaming Republicans, Obama charged that their fears about open borders were groundless since, "The fence is now basically complete." And to emphasize that claim, he mocked his opponents by saying, "Maybe they'll need a moat. Maybe they'll need alligators in the moat."
That sounds cute. But it is again quite untrue. The fence is most assuredly not "basically" complete. Currently, fewer than 700 miles of the more than 1,900-mile border have any sort of barrier. And less than 5 percent of the border has a secure double-fenced impediment. Even with increased patrols, a recent Government Accountability Office study found that 40 percent of the border is essentially open and unguarded. There are still well over a half-million illegal border crossings per year.
In a fit of projection, the president also accused his opponents of politicking the issue for partisan advantage: "We've seen a lot of blame and a lot of politics and a lot of ugly rhetoric around immigration."
That too was a distortion for at least two reasons. One, during the 2010 midterm election, the president himself urged Latinos to "punish" their political "enemies." That advice sure seemed like "ugly rhetoric."
And in the El Paso speech, the president rallied his listeners to go lobby for his proposals: "So I'm asking you to add your voices to this debate. You can sign up to help at whitehouse.gov." Whipping up crowds to log onto his website seems just like "the usual Washington games" that Obama deplored in the speech.
The president also deliberately confused legal and illegal immigration in lamenting the inability of highly skilled immigrants to obtain work visas and citizenship opportunities. But polls show wide support for legal immigration based on skill sets, not just on proximity to the border or family ties.
What the president did not dare reveal was that to let in professionals and business people from around the world, based on their skills and earning potential, might also mean to curtail those without education and capital -- in other words, to discourage the millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico who don't speak English or have high school educations, and who often have little means of support but apparent political clout.
Even when the president offered some sensible proposals about illegal aliens paying fines, applying formally for citizenship and learning English, he was still disingenuous. Obama deliberately floated these proposals to his partisan audience without any details of enforcement, since to do so would likely turn off the cheering crowd.
So how exactly would Obama coerce some 11 million illegal aliens into paying a fine, returning to the immigration line to apply legally, or learning English? By threat of deportation or incarceration?
The vast majority of the American public is not racist or "playing politics" in worrying about out-of-control illegal immigration. The enforcement of existing federal immigration law has become a joke. Drug violence in Mexico is destabilizing an entire country and spilling over the border. Jobs are scarce, with unemployment here still at 9 percent. Many billions of dollars in remittances to Mexico leave the American Southwest, often from illegal aliens who rely on American social services to make up the difference.
These are serious issues that deserve more from a president than re-election pandering at the border and bad jokes about alligators and moats.
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Dead on as usual.
Fuck obama and those who support him.
Cricketts. Deafening silence from the left.
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May 22, 2011
How Latinos Got Stung
By Ruben Navarrette
SAN DIEGO -- In "The Sting," a classic 1973 film about a pair of con men, each chapter is introduced with an old-fashioned title card such as "The Set-Up" or "The Hook."
To really understand the elaborate con job that President Obama is pulling on Latino voters over the immigration issue, here are some title cards you might find useful:
THE PROMISE -- Obama goes before several Latino groups during the 2008 campaign and makes what everyone thought at the moment was a sincere pledge to treat reforming the immigration system as a top priority.
THE COMPARISON -- Painting himself as a kinder and gentler alternative to George W. Bush, Obama -- in remarks that will later haunt him -- bemoans when "communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing."
THE RESCUE -- After Arizona adopts a tough immigration law, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid threatens to respond by restarting the debate over immigration reform, Obama puts the kibosh on Reid's plans by announcing to reporters that there is no appetite in Congress to take on the issue. In doing so, he throws a life preserver to conservative Democrats in the Senate who would have been reluctant to vote for reform.
THE DECEPTION -- Five of those conservative Democrats -- Mark Pryor, Max Baucus, Kay Hagan, Jon Tester and Ben Nelson -- then later kill the Dream Act by voting against cloture. But Reid and the White House, with an assist from the media, successfully frame Republicans as the culprit.
THE WAITING -- Realizing he can't even start the debate over immigration reform without driving a wedge between two loyal Democratic constituencies -- organized labor and Latinos -- Obama needs a foil. But he won't get one until John Boehner and Republicans take control of the House in January 2011.
THE TRAP -- Shortly after declaring his intention to run for re-election, Obama sets a trap for Republicans in 2012 by pulling the immigration issue off the back burner on the assumption that the GOP will continue its tradition of dealing with the issue in a cruel and clumsy way. The Republicans perform as expected.
THE BOAST -- Meanwhile, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano brags that the border is more secure than ever and that the administration has deported about 400,000 illegal immigrant per year since taking office. By removing 1,000 illegal immigrants per day, it should reach the 1-million mark by Labor Day.
THE DISSIDENT -- Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., perhaps the most outspoken champion of immigrants' rights in Congress, launches a 20-city tour called "The Campaign for American Children and Families" to draw attention to the deportations and pressure Obama to freeze them with regard to two groups: undocumented parents with U.S.-born children, and so-called Dream Act students who might have qualified for the program, which swaps college attendance or military service for legal residency, if only Congress had passed the bill.
THE STALL -- Obama agrees to meet with members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to hear their concerns over the high number of deportations. But first, in a farcical attempt to find another group of Hispanics that could act as a counterweight to the caucus, Obama invites a contingent of Hispanic celebrities to the White House to discuss immigration. Move over, Beer Summit. Welcome to the Margarita Mixer.
THE SMOKE SCREEN -- Obama's message to the celebrities and to a group of "stakeholders" who attended an earlier immigration meeting is that he supports comprehensive immigration reform but can't pass it without help from Republicans. He urges them to pressure the GOP to get behind reform. The problem is that the most urgent immigration-related issue in the country at the moment isn't the reform agenda but the spike in deportations. And the reason Obama won't talk about this is because it's a matter for the executive branch, which he controls, and so he can't very well blame Republicans for standing in the way of some desired policy goal.
THE SHOW -- Obama goes to El Paso to pose in front of the border wall and, in his own "Mission Accomplished" moment, declares the border more secure than ever. He also tries to put Republicans on the defensive by calling for immigration reform -- the very thing that he has spent the first 28 months of his presidency trying to avoid.
Don't look now, Latinos. But you've been stung.
ruben@rubennavarrette.com
Copyright 2011, Washington Post Writers Group
Bingo.