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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Topic started by: King Kamali on September 27, 2008, 09:46:17 AM
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Okay guys.. I am still in NYC but I have looked at all the pics and have been on the phone with many from the King's army that were at the prejudging last night and I got the full scoop. First thing is first, I am still in shock from the passing of my friend Steve Stone. He was a personal trainer at my gym BodyQuest here in NY and I just talked to the man few days ago... I got the news last night from Chick and I'm still fucked up. Life is too fucking short and so precious.. Take each day as a blessing and forget about hating and bad things in life.. It's not worth the time you waste.. Unbelievable!
Now, here is the breakdown of what went down at prejudging:
1. This is the hardest Olympia ever to judge.. Everyone looks either off or transformed into something different from the years past. There is no clear cut winner! It's fucking crazy how in just one year everything changed.
2. Let's go down the line: (only the top guys that matter here)
Cutler: Same as last year just a bit tighter. All the insulin has done it's damage to Jay's hardness especially from the back. If you Cutler fans are waiting for the 2001 version of Jay you are in for some bad news.. That day is long gone. This is the best Cutler you will ever see, period. Big, blocky... Well, it's Jay.
Dexter: Let's be real here people, he was MUCH BETTER at the Arnold Classic.. MUCH BETTER! I am a little surprised that he missed this one by a mile. Dex knows that conditioning and those insane shredded glutes were the only Chance he had of getting second at this show.. and he came in at 85%. Lower back and glutes were soft (for Dexter) and looked to be a bit flat.
Heath: He was better at the Arnold Classic and peaked at the Ironman Pro. He too was a bit off and the added size has made him look even more narrow than before. Again he should have been ultra shredded to have a chance for 2nd place.
Toney: Much sharper than the AC but no where near his overall package that won the Ironman Pro last year. A bit flat from behind and thin from the side shots but his conditioning pulled him through.
Melvin: About 2% better than AC. Great conditioning for Melvin and good added size.
Wolf: Was better last year (sorry Chad) when he was working with Milos and again let's be honest boys, he looked very drugged out. His face has aged 10 years and the 'drol lumps all over his body just gave him a Palumbo look that is just not pleasing. He is very wide (almost as wide as the King) but lacks the back thickness especially in the mid and lower back. Crazy legs from the front.
Silvio: Best conditioned guy in the show. Insane legs and glutes but his wheels way over power his upper body. He looks like he added 4 inches to his waistline especially from the back (weird). High lats and lack of over all mass is his down fall.
How I would have them after prejudging:
1st: CUTLER (his name was on the Sandow 4 months ago)
2nd: HEATH (Although better at the Ironman Pro.. still has enough fire power)
3rd: Dexter & Melvin & Silvio (too close to call.. just all over the place)
4th: Freeman (flat and stringy but good enough)
5th: Wolf (better last year and looking like he is about half dead)
In regards to how I would have been placed.. I would have been in the second callout... No doubt in my mind. I carry 30 more pounds of muscle than Melvin, Dexter, Silvio, Heath and I would have crushed Freeman from the side and back. The Olympia is a big man's show and I would have been 10% sharper and fucking super polished at this show. Jim and I have a winning formula especially with the Magic Powder and you know me boys, I would have brought the house down. It's a shame that politics have fucked everything up. I can't tell you guys how encouraged I am after seeing these pics. The Olympia and Arnold Classic are wide open next year... WIDE OPEN!!
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Interesting King, thanks for the write-up, much appreciated
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His face has aged 10 years and the 'drol lumps all over his body just gave him a Palumbo look that is just not pleasing.
What do you mean by "'drol lumps"?
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Completely disagree about pretty much everything in this thread
no offence
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King. I really like you as a bodybuilder competitor what have you. But until you eventually get back on that stage (which I believe you will) don't say how you would beat the pants off of so and so.
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You proved year after year to not be able to qualify for this show,to not be olympia material.
I think you should be a little bit more realistic about your imaginary placing.
Unfortunately, many bodybuilders are unable to view themselves objectively or realistically. None more so than the creator of this thread.
Completely disagree about pretty much everything in this thread
Exactly.
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Unfortunately, many bodybuilders are unable to view themselves objectively or realistically. None more so than the creator of this thread.
Exactly.
Everyone's got an opinion Sean, even you.
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come on king u cant believe that you'd be in the second call out, u wouldn't even make top 15.
and for u being wider than wolf dream on dude
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King would have been battling it out with Leo Ingram and the Russian, and he would have lost.
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No offence but that time you beat wolf was total bullshit. The other guys might have been off that day but Wolf was on and much, much better. Nothing to be ashamed of anyway, the guy has an amazing shape.
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SuperFatTroll: There were many men on that stage last night that I beat this year alone. I have qualified for the Olympia several times and opted not to compete.. The Olympia is not that important to me brother.. The fans are.
aussiepro: Yes bro. I can believe and that's why I beat Wolf 2 years a go at the Montreal Pro.. Because I believed. And yes again, I am wider than Wolf.. The next time I see him I will do a lat spread and take a pic just for you. Here are a couple just so you can get a better understanding of my point of view.
(http://)(http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s346/KingKamali/P9030656.jpg)
(http://)(http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s346/KingKamali/P9030746.jpg)
Busted: Could be right.. They are both great bodybuilders.
:-*
rocket: That's your opinion and 8 judges thought differently..
BlueDevil: Okay.. I blew my "change".. Positive people.. ;D
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BlueDevil: Okay.. I blew my "change".. Positive people.. ;D
why would you say a thing like that dude?
some of my best poems were dedicated to you bro
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Sorry fellas.. I missed a couple of your posts:
Van_Bilderass: When a bodybuilder takes high doses of Anadrol they form these weird cysts all over their bodies.. I myself have a few here and there. ;)
Stavios: You are correct.. This is the positive board. But opinions are always welcome.
getfast81: I thank you for the kind words but remember brother, I am stating my opinion. I am not saying I would have beat so and so.. I am saying I "BELIEVE" I can do this and that. It's always good to believe and push oneself to achieve.. That's all.
Let's stop all the bullshit and get back on track.. It was tough Olympia and the correct decision was made. Now the sport has been injected with new blood and excitement. Dexter will have every IFBB Pro coming after him in 2009 and it will make things just that much more fun for all of us. I'm excited and so should you all.
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BlueDevil: I got nothin' but love for ya dog! ;D
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rocket: That's your opinion and 8 judges thought differently..
I'll give you credit for holding your own in those poses you posted (and for being as wide, if not wider than Wolf) but it isn't really that close when it comes to anything from the front. So, if the judges went with you because of your back, okay, but if the judges went with your back + a "paying your dues" penalty to the duetschlander like, I, and most of the guys here think.. that is when it becomes in my opinion "bullshit". But.. you know.. wolf can do very little wrong on this board ;D
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getfast81: I thank you for the kind words but remember brother, I am stating my opinion. I am not saying I would have beat so and so.. I am saying I "BELIEVE" I can do this and that. It's always good to believe and push oneself to achieve.. That's all.
Well King I definitely respect your opinion and its nice to see you posting to begin with. I am still in shock that Dexter won. I ate my words as I was bashing the shit out of the olympia up until the decision and I am floored. King, next competition brother? The O next year is wide open and I think Wolf should do the Arnold only.
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The great thing about putting Dex up there is that he isn't one of the guys you think "well, that wraps up the olympia for another 3-5 years". Everybody has a shot. Heath, on the other hand does have that air about him. I think Heath is too narrow but the judges would appear to disagree with me on that one too :)
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In regards to how I would have been placed.. I would have been in the second callout... No doubt in my mind. I carry 30 more pounds of muscle than Melvin, Dexter, Silvio, Heath and I would have crushed Freeman from the side and back. The Olympia is a big man's show and I would have been 10% sharper and fucking super polished at this show. Jim and I have a winning formula especially with the Magic Powder and you know me boys, I would have brought the house down. It's a shame that politics have fucked everything up. I can't tell you guys how encouraged I am after seeing these pics. The Olympia and Arnold Classic are wide open next year... WIDE OPEN!!
WTF ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? YOU PLACING AHEAD OF TONEY???
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WTF ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? YOU PLACING AHEAD OF TONEY???
at the buffet
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Let's keep this thread on track, "gentlemen". :)
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King
What do you think about the commie from venezuela that placed #10 (badell)? Isnt it time to retire?
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King
What do you think about the commie from venezuela that placed #10 (badell)? Isnt it time to retire?
;D ;D ;D
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SuperFatTroll: There were many men on that stage last night that I beat this year alone.
1 man, David Henry, at the Iron Man. This year, you placed 10th at the Iron Man, with Toney in 8th, Johnnie 5th, Silvio 4th, Moe 3rd, Gustavo 2nd and Phil 1st. Toney beat you again at the AC, placing 4th to your 6th, with Melvin 1st, Johnnie 2nd, and Darrem 3rd. How are you justifying being in the 2nd callout again?
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rocket: Ahhhh my meathead friend.. You are now starting to see the light. I agree with you, that at that show Wolf beat me in the front poses, but I beat him in the side poses and the back and my posing routine blew them all away.. That's why I won. It's the overall picture that the judges and the critiques must look at. This is a subjective sport and you will never change opinions when it comes to this sport.. That still does not change the fact that I beat the man on that particular day. And as far as paying your dues goes that shit does not exist anymore... It's all about sponsorship, PERIOD! I too like Wolf, amazing shape for a big man (tiny waist) and crazy sweeping quads but he has a lot of missing parts. Again, it's all about opinions. And once again Rocket man you are correct again about Dex being a shoe in for multiple years. Just knowing that he is Mr. Olympia lights a fire under the entire IFBB roster because he can and will be beat.. And Heath is on top of that list.
getfast81: Much respect back to you. I too am surprised that Dex won BUT, don't forget that the judges also knew that if they voted for Jay and jay was off like he was on Friday that the sport might not recover and the backlash would be like the economy.. down the toilet. Dex deserved the win but he was not at his best.. He too was a bit off. Wolf needs to take some time off.. Look at the mans face! He was better last year.. what does that tell you? The AC looks very interesting to me.. ;)
alejandro_torres: You God Damn right! I only wish we had a comparison at the Atlantic City show.. It would have been an eye opener ;) Tony is great but at the AC he was off.. That's just telling the truth.
BlueDevil: If you only knew.. Ask around and you will hear stories about my eating abilities.. I can fucking eat!
benz: I actually thought Gustavo looked good. He has peaked and his body is doing a Cutler. There is only so much insulin will do for a physique. In all honesty I thought he would look a lot worse than he did.
Zach Trowbridge: Again it's my opinion and that's it.. You forgot Craig Richardson :-*... You are still missing the point. I have competed against the best and I have beaten the best. I love this sport and my positive attitude keeps me growing and improving. I did half the drugs from the previous years, no insulin, no IGF, no Clen., and no diuretics and I made dramatic improvements since the Ironman. My blood work came back as "almost" normal, and that for me is a miracle. Zach, when I finished my 90 sec. individual routine at the Ac I got a standing ovation and expeditors and fellow competitors were all giving me props for bringing down the house... That shit means more to me than PLACINGS! Stick with your opinion but don't hate the playa!
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alejandro_torres: You see now little kid.. You were doing alright until now. You just proved that you are a complete jackass and just like the rest of the morons in this forum. I am not even flexing in that shot and I already said that wolf was better than I was from the front. What are you trying to prove? That you are a dickhead?? Well you did a great job. This is the positive board and the point of reference was am I wider Than Wolf? You just got yourself banned and for what kid.. for being a moron. This exactly why no more pros come in here and try to help you guys out... Because of idiots like this.
Anyway, let's get the real warriors back and keep a positive thread going.
i think if you expect people to be positive to you
you should return the compliment
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bigmc: I agree.. Now you tell me.. What was the purpose of posting that picture of me when I am obviously in the middle of hitting my pose? And before you answer that question, know that this person took the time to search the internet for a good amount of time and went over many many pictures to find one where I am not flexing just to make a smart ass non-progressive point. What compliment are you referring to?
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king
So do you agree or not that badell should retire, insulin wont do anyhting more for him nor roids, he's done and his genetics wont help, do you agree with me KING of darkness
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bigmc: I agree.. Now you tell me.. What was the purpose of posting that picture of me when I am obviously in the middle of hitting my pose? And before you answer that question, know that this person took the time to search the internet for a good amount of time and went over many many pictures to find one where I am not flexing just to make a smart ass non-progressive point. What compliment are you referring to?
there are haters on here king
but you get alot of props as well
the mods on here will delete negative shit
just ignore it is my advice
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Whether you like me or not I am a professional bodybuilder that has competed on the top stage on the planet. I know more about the science of bodybuilding than 99.999% of the Earth's population. Instead of being a smart ass and making idiotic remarks why don't you (not you in particular.. I'm referring to everyone here on the board) use the chance that I have given you to ask questions and learn from my experience and knowledge. This is the kicker that most of these kids just don't understand and that's why most pro's refuse to come in these types of forums and participate.. For God sakes on the main gossip board they superimpose Ronnie's face on a gorilla and make fun of the greatest bodybuilder of all time?!?!? Jim has created a revolutionary new supplement that will more than likely make him the next monster company in the supplement industry and no one seems to care.. Just fucking amazing. Open up your eyes people and you just might learn something.. We are here to help and not to get hated on.
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Why on God's green earth should Gustavo retire?!? He has a family to look after, he just placed 2nd at the Ironman Pro, He still did a great job at the Mr. Olympia and he has a MuscleTech contract.. He is living the bodybuilding dream. I personally don't like him as an individual but he is a great bodybuilder that still has 5 more years in him.. It's not about placings, it's about making a living from the sport.
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Whether you like me or not I am a professional bodybuilder that has competed on the top stage on the planet. I know more about the science of bodybuilding than 99.999% of the Earth's population. Instead of being a smart ass and making idiotic remarks why don't you (not you in particular.. I'm referring to everyone here on the board) use the chance that I have given you to ask questions and learn from my experience and knowledge. This is the kicker that most of these kids just don't understand and that's why most pro's refuse to come in these types of forums and participate.. For God sakes on the main gossip board they superimpose Ronnie's face on a gorilla and make fun of the greatest bodybuilder of all time?!?!? Jim has created a revolutionary new supplement that will more than likely make him the next monster company in the supplement industry and no one seems to care.. Just fucking amazing. Open up your eyes people and you just might learn something.. We are here to help and not to get hated on.
I used to hate you king, but after you started posting here, you deserve all my respect. This place is like a hood, people come, some stay, some quit, some quit crying, some quit promising a lawsuit, its getbig, if you cant handle the hate, you cant be here, and you are handling it so far, but sometimes you fall too easy. Look at milos, the man is proven hardcore, be the next pro to prove the same, being part of the getbig community is more than a loosy trophy at the mr olympia.
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I know more about the science of bodybuilding than 99.999% of the Earth's population. Instead of being a smart ass and making idiotic remarks why don't you (not you in particular.. I'm referring to everyone here on the board) use the chance that I have given you to ask questions and learn from my experience and knowledge.
I'm wondering about why you speak so highly of Milos and his knowledge when you wrote this on your site:
To all of you up and coming youngsters climbing up the NPC ladder aiming for that ever elusive pro card, STAY AWAY FROM INSULIN!!
This drug will destroy your body and your chances of attaining a aesthetic physique. The lour of insulin comes from its ability to pack on the size and I will be the first one to admit to this fact... Insulin will make you big, BUT, it will also make you fat and give you a distended stomach.
Everyone seems to be complaining about the "guts" on most of the top pro's these days... Bigger bodies no doubt but the beauty is gone. The NPC and the IFBB have mandates on this matter and from what I have heard they will follow through this time around and punish such abnormalities. The bottom line is that symmetry and proportionate physiques are making a comeback and if you take insulin, you can kiss your pro dreams good bye...
DON'T DO IT!
If Milos destroys bodies with insulin how is he good as a trainer?
Do you still agree with the advice you gave above?
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I'm wondering about why you speak so highly of Milos and his knowledge when you wrote this on your site:
If Milos destroys bodies with insulin how is he good as a trainer?
Do you still agree with the advice you gave above?
Van, I don't see anywhere in that quote where he mentions Milos' name....can you highlight it for me?
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Van, I don't see anywhere in that quote where he mentions Milos' name....can you highlight it for me?
No, but we all know Milos is the champion for insulin use. He does not think insulin messes up bodies. King does think so, and he has mentioned insulin in a negative way even in this thread. He did it the Milos way and then went back to no insulin again. So I'm wondering what he really thinks about insulin. Good, always a bad idea, or bad when used in a certain way etc? If it messes up bodies then why does he think so highly of Milos and his knowledge?
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I have worked with just about all of the so called gurus in the bodybuilding world and when it comes to the science of bodybuilding Milos is light years ahead of the rest. I learned more about body chemistry in 1 year from Milos than I did in 20 years of personal experience. Insulin is not the answer.. Just look at the physiques of the 90's vs the physiques of today.. Not even close.
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No, but we all know Milos is the champion for insulin use. He does not think insulin messes up bodies. King does think so, and he has mentioned insulin in a negative way even in this thread. He did it the Milos way and then went back to no insulin again. So I'm wondering what he really thinks about insulin. Good, always a bad idea, or bad when used in a certain way etc? If it messes up bodies then why does he think so highly of Milos and his knowledge?
So he may not agree with insulin use, but he obviously respect Milos' knowledge, judging from the post above.
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Let's just say Milos has changed the way I look at bodybuilding forever. It's time for me to make peace with the Iron Game and I have. Health and family come first and then everything else. Milos told me the other day that he had goose bumps when I finished my 90 sec. routine at the AC... That meant more to me than anything.. Respect is a two way street and that man get my respect.
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when it comes to the science of bodybuilding Milos is light years ahead of the rest.
Insulin is not the answer..
But isn't Milos' "scientific" view that insulin IS the answer? It's like you are totally wasting your time if you don't jack up your insulin around workouts, for example. "Wasting time" is the term Milos uses for those who don't drink aminos and jack up insulin.
So he may not agree with insulin use, but he obviously respect Milos' knowledge, judging from the post above.
But their views are diametrically opposed... how can you totally disagree with someone's views yet think they are knowledgeable?
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But isn't Milos' "scientific" view that insulin IS the answer? It's like you are totally wasting your time if you don't jack up your insulin around workouts, for example. "Wasting time" is the term Milos uses for those who don't drink aminos and jack up insulin.
But their views are diametrically opposed... how can you totally disagree with someone's views yet think they are knowledgeable?
Maybe they can respect the work, effort, time it took to gain that knowledge, whether or not they agree on the results.
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Again Van.. It is my opinion that insulin is a dead end street for the young kids coming up the ranks. Hard work, suffering, and the right supplementation is the key to a "pleasing" physique. Leverone, Wheeler, Cormier, etc... those guys were cartoon characters. Milos has the edge when it comes to the knowledge of the science of bodybuilding not just insulin. Open your mind brother there is much bigger world out there.
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Again Van.. It is my opinion that insulin is a dead end street for the young kids coming up the ranks. Hard work, suffering, and the right supplementation is the key to a "pleasing" physique. Leverone, Wheeler, Cormier, etc... those guys were cartoon characters. Milos has the edge when it comes to the knowledge of the science of bodybuilding not just insulin. Open your mind brother there is much bigger world out there.
You are avoiding the issue, Kamali.
Personally id have to say insulin does not ruin physiques. Look at Milos. How old is he, how long has he been in bodybuilding, how long has he been using insulin ?? The man loves insulin and uses it with feirce dedication. Yet his midesction completely blows your out of the water this years AC. And i mean no offense to you, King. BUT, take a look at your "NO Insulin abdomen" from the AC and compare it to Milos "Insulin abdomen".
Levrone and Wheeler and Cormier all used Insulin starting in the mid to late 1990's. When Milos Taught Chad how to use it back in '96 i believe, chad then started implementing it with his athletes as well. Nasser had a tight midesction. Ronnie had a tight midesction (up untill '03... and who knows what ronnie did in 03 to gain that size...since he was already using insulin since at least '98).
Maybe you were just cheating and not following Milos Plan. Did you eat fat after using insulin? Did you use it to often? did you take precautions to avoid adipose accumulation?
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Just a question is all the pro now using insulin ?
Thanks
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Jesus Christ people.. This is exactly why there is zero credibility left on these boards. Avoiding what issue? This is becoming a repeating issue over and over again... Let's do this one last time: I do not recommend young kids to use insulin.. PERIOD! It is my OPINION!! OKAY? Milos has his and I have mine and Tom Cruise has his. Kevin, Cormier and Flex did not have Humalog in the 90's and there was no such thing as waxymaze (sp) or vitargo. It's a whole new game now and it's obvious when you look at the physiques of today that insulin has done it's damage. Stop trying to start an argument.. Let it go man... Go drink a beer or glass of wine and relax. ;)
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they didn't have humulog.
nice way of putting it.
Because they did have humulin-r.
and you know this. they all used insulin starting around 96.
they didn't have waxy maize or vitargo? is that a joke? ill respond nonetheless... NO they didn't, but they did have dextrose.
your avoiding the issue that with one hand your saying insulin should not be used and it ruins physiques but with the other your saying that Milo's, the godfather and biggest promoter of insulin, is the most knowledgeable man about bodybuilding science that there is.
and what about the rest of my post? if insulin destroys physiques, then how come Milo's abdomen is 1 thoussand times more streamlined than yours? and Nasser, and wheeler, and levrone, and Coleman in the beginning.
I'm not attacking or arguing just wanting to discuss this with you, an ifbb pro, and me, just a fan. :)
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Again, you are missing the issue. Did Milos invent insulin? Does Milos wake up in the morning and take a shower with insulin, then drink insulin for breakfest, and then fill up his tank with insulin? Hell he just might, but I think there is more to the man than just insulin. Dextrose? Are you kidding?!? ??? Well I'll respond none the less... Were you there in their rooms and kitchens seeing this for your own eyes as a fan ;).. If you were then you have one on me buddy because in 2001 when I started my pro career I used R and never once touched dextrose. We had another method that worked (just look at the conditioning from the 2001 Arnold.. The best AC EVER). So you don't know everything like you sound like you do. Milos also likes to drink Monster Energy Drink.. Oh wait, according to you insulin has to be in the mix some place here ::) Milos has a great physique and one of the best abdomen structures in the game.. What's your point? Now you are claiming that insulin restructures your genetic structure? Enough with this. Seriously, drink something with alcohol in it.. You are taking this way too seriously.
P.S. Just out of curiosity, would you please post your real picture and name so we all can see where this expertise is coming from.. just a curious IFBB Pro wanting to become more familiar with a fan ;D
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Ok SHARI I am done, you "Win". ::)
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i think this insulin bullshit is overrated, the physiques looked better before guys started using this shit, why a person who isn't diabetic would use insulin seems insane to me, roids and GH i can understand but insulin is just crazy.
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King
Could you please answer my question about badell and freedom?
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King is better off saying that insulin ruins physiques then saying and trying to explain that possibly 1 in a million can get away with it because the fact of the matter is that since insulin hit the stage bellies started looking pregnant. So don't use insulin if you want to avoid ruining your midsection, Can someone use insulin and not get a big belly?......possibly, but I also know someone who fell off the twelth floor belcony and lived :(
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King is better off saying that insulin ruins physiques then saying and trying to explain that possibly 1 in a million can get away with it because the fact of the matter is that since insulin hit the stage bellies started looking pregnant. So don't use insulin if you want to avoid ruining your midsection, Can someone use insulin and not get a big belly?......possibly, but I also know someone who fell off the twelth floor belcony and lived :(
Off topic, i met a person that fell from a 20th floor and nothing, i mean, nothing happened to him, but im sure his brain is dead since the last time we meet for a couple of beers, he insisted he has powers given by god lol. this guy appeared on the news :)
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Someone here had a question about insulin ;D
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alejandro_torres: You see now little kid.. You were doing alright until now. You just proved that you are a complete jackass and just like the rest of the morons in this forum. I am not even flexing in that shot and I already said that wolf was better than I was from the front. What are you trying to prove? That you are a dickhead?? Well you did a great job. This is the positive board and the point of reference was am I wider Than Wolf? You just got yourself banned and for what kid.. for being a moron. This exactly why no more pros come in here and try to help you guys out... Because of idiots like this.
:) i only posted a pic dude... didnt even made a comment... but it seems that since you only have the balls to be here and you have friends as mods... you can be the big boy here and talk whatever you want...
i give this post at least 5 minutes til it gets erased...
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No answer to my question yet, is king with america & freedom or commies?
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Man, I leave for the weekend and this is what happens to my board ;)
Keep it positive fellas. ;D
If u want to bash king, do it on the g and o please
Glen
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Man, I leave for the weekend and this is what happens to my board ;)
Keep it positive fellas. ;D
If u want to bash king, do it on the g and o please
Glen
You should have seen it before I cleaned it up. ::)
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problem with king is that he rage too easy, he needs to understand this is getbig.
King, im still waiting for your point of view about allowing a well known commie bodybuilder friend of ak47's and nuke america & freedom, in the ifbb circuit.
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Another question king: Most ifbb pro's claim they lift heay weights but they look like jokes compared to the guys at westside barbell. Elaborate on this matter
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Which one is it King??????
I have worked with just about all of the so called gurus in the bodybuilding world and when it comes to the science of bodybuilding Milos is light years ahead of the rest. I learned more about body chemistry in 1 year from Milos than I did in 20 years of personal experience.
Insulin is not the answer.. Just look at the physiques of the 90's vs the physiques of today.. Not even close.
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Which one is it King??????
Which one is what? He's making a statement there, I don't see a conflicting point of view.
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KING
im not bashing so dont delete. king said he beat wolf 2 years ago well done and congrats.
but come on there is no way you would come close to him now, he is top 4 in the world. many people think a lot better ( but thats a different topic)
he has improved a hell of a lot in the last 2 years ..
honestly if you competed at this years O where do you think you would have placed.
appreciate the answer :)
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Which one is what? He's making a statement there, I don't see a conflicting point of view.
you cant be pro milos and anti insulin
thats like being black but against the emancipation proclomation. ;D
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Flexington, I don't think people are bashing King.
Looks to me like everybody is keeping it respectfull, even if they disagree
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Another one for the OP.
What was your opinion of Ronnie Rockell? and why does he keep getting screwed to high heaven? for the last few years I'dve placed him in the top 6.
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Stavios: You are missing the point.. It has nothing to do with bashing it has everything to do with starting trouble for no reason.. This is the positive board and that's where I will keep it.
aussiepro: Thank you for the props.. and you are entitled to your opinion which I will respect, but, you are making the biggest mistake when you say "no way you would come close to him now"... This is bodybuilding bro.. Any man can be beat on any given day. In my opinion I think Wolf looked better last year and Freeman and Melvin and Silvio and to some degree James looked better than him at prejudging. Be more open minded especially when it comes to a subjective sport especially the IFBB. I changed many things around since the Ironman Pro and made some killer improvements. I am still improving as we speak as I am still on Jim's program and Magic Powder. Where would I have placed in this years Olympia? In the top 10 only and only if I improved my conditioning by 2 -3% from the AC.
wordy: I too think RR has a great physique (reminds me of a bigger Lee Priest or John Sherman). Ronnie is short and that hurts him and his color is always a bit off. He also is a little inconsistent when it comes to his conditioning and the judges tend to punish athletes that are like that. Also, he does not have a larger than life persona on stage.. Again that takes away from his standings. He is a great bodybuilder never the less.
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what stack are you on king
and i don't mean supplements
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King, what do you think about Moussawi placing 9th ?
that was complete BS in my opinion, I had him near dead last.
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Flexington, I don't think people are bashing King.
Looks to me like everybody is keeping it respectfull, even if they disagree
Well maybe not bashing, but this is the positive board .
A discussion/debate is awesome, and need to be had on here, but there is a certain way u do it. And calling someone a delusional fool/has been isnt the way to do it :)
But im all for a debate, in fact we need more of them. Come on stavy, since ur one of the only guys on getbig who actually like bodybuilding, post here on the positive board here more and start some good discussions, we need it, and it would be a breath of fresh air on this dying board ;D
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Sorry if you think I was trying to stir shit up, King.
Can you clarify what you meant by "Insulin destroys physiques".
I assumed you meant it was responsible for the distened adbomens.
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I would start more discussion if my english wasn't as bad as it is right now !
sometimes I don't post my ideas on things simply because I don't know how to say it in english ;D
I'm doing my best tho.
I'll try to participate more in the positive board
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I would start more discussion if my english wasn't as bad as it is right now !
sometimes I don't post my ideas on things simply because I don't know how to say it in english ;D
I'm doing my best tho.
I'll try to participate more in the positive board
cant be any worse than alex23's :)
Post away bro, ur a good dude.
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I would start more discussion if my english wasn't as bad as it is right now !
sometimes I don't post my ideas on things simply because I don't know how to say it in english ;D
I'm doing my best tho.
I'll try to participate more in the positive board
I figured you were fluent. Its always been outstanding. :)
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bigmc: About 200 - 300 ml's of Synthol daily.
Stavios: Conditioning and compact muscle brother.. Mo has the Lee Priest look and he is a nice guy which makes him a fan favorite. He made great improvements in a short period of time and was rewarded. I too think he should have been lower in the standings but he brought his A-Game.. Props to the man.
tbombz: Insulin has taken away the aesthetics and given younger bodybuilders a fake sense of being bigger than they actually are.. That's it.
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A fake sense of being bigger than they are?
Do you mean that insulin results in less-permanent muscle growth than, lets say, steroids?
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A fake sense of being bigger than they are?
Do you mean that insulin results in less-permanent muscle growth than, lets say, steroids?
i think he means that on insulin, you are so full that you think you are bigger but that's just stored glycogen
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Insulin = bloat
Bloat = water and fat/not "real" muscle
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Insulin does alot more than bloat and contribute to glycogen stores though.
Insulin = anti catabolic
Steroids = anabolic
Combine the two for real muscle growth..
Im just wondering how he thinks it ruins physiques.. Personally I think gh(igf) is responsible for the distended abdomens. The other issues with today's physiques are lack of striations, detail, conditioning... maybe insulin is the culprit behind that? I dont know. Thats why im asking King. :)
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Its been around before 96 , I believe it all stated in 93, at the 95 Olympia I was with Achim and was asked to help with a "sick" bodybuilder on insulin.
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I dunno, to say his face has aged 10 years is a bit of a stretch...
He's an Eastern euro, and he probably lives fast, and smokes alot so I would imagine alot of people his age look older than they are based on that simple fact.
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King I know this is a positive board and all but there is a rumor that has been out there for a while. The rumor is that when you were an up-and-coming pro and when you were the next big thing by placing super high in you early shows that you used to go to nightclubs and take shitloads of high powere Ecstasy. Is this true??
P.S. This is a legit question, you should be honest
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King I know this is a positive board and all but there is a rumor that has been out there for a while. The rumor is that when you were an up-and-coming pro and when you were the next big thing by placing super high in you early shows that you used to go to nightclubs and take shitloads of high powere Ecstasy. Is this true??
P.S. This is a legit question, you should be honest
Mods, delete post.
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Noel Fuller: I'm sure you are right but from my own personal experience, especially when I was working with Chad Nicholls it was not used in the offseason.. Just for loading before a show.. And don't forget, at that time Chad was also advising Ronnie, Nasser, Flex, Myself, Don Long, Tom Prince and I know for a fact that none of these men were on insulin until showtime.
polychronopolous: The mans face does looked aged and don't forget he is only 29.. He looks 40.. Just my opinion. You are correct in the fact that he is a smoker.. I saw it at the Europa a couple years ago.
Polska_Sensation: Ahhhhh, the good old days. The answer to your question is yes I partied like a rock star and had the time of my life. I could go down a list of the things I did and taking Ecstasy is at the bottom of that list. Threesoms, foursoms, orgies, 5 minute batroom stall relationships in the clubs, porn stars in Miami, etc... It was a wild time in my life and I survived. Nothing to hide here, it's all good.
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Noel Fuller: I'm sure you are right but from my own personal experience, especially when I was working with Chad Nicholls it was not used in the offseason.. Just for loading before a show.. And don't forget, at that time Chad was also advising Ronnie, Nasser, Flex, Myself, Don Long, Tom Prince and I know for a fact that none of these men were on insulin until showtime.
polychronopolous: The mans face does looked aged and don't forget he is only 29.. He looks 40.. Just my opinion. You are correct in the fact that he is a smoker.. I saw it at the Europa a couple years ago.
Polska_Sensation: Ahhhhh, the good old days. The answer to your question is yes I partied like a rock star and had the time of my life. I could go down a list of the things I did and taking Ecstasy is at the bottom of that list. Threesoms, foursoms, orgies, 5 minute batroom stall relationships in the clubs, porn stars in Miami, etc... It was a wild time in my life and I survived. Nothing to hide here, it's all good.
Absolute giant respect for answering honestly.
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Insulin does alot more than bloat and contribute to glycogen stores though.
Insulin = anti catabolic
Steroids = anabolic
Combine the two for real muscle growth..
Im just wondering how he thinks it ruins physiques.. Personally I think gh(igf) is responsible for the distended abdomens. The other issues with today's physiques are lack of striations, detail, conditioning... maybe insulin is the culprit behind that? I dont know. Thats why im asking King. :)
The anabolic anti-catabolic has zero merit when it comes to this debate. In fact, I know of no real proof that insulin's role in muscle growth is due to it's anti-catabolic proterties if any. If you do have any type of proof or at least a sound theory please feel free to share it with us.
Imo insluin does NOT do much more than contribute to bloat and glycogen storage. I hear all the time about how when someone gets off of insulin they look and feel really flat. This is due to the fact that you are more bloated (mainly) and you are storing more glycogen. Insulin does help build muscle, just imo there are reasons which I do not have time to get into right now that I would either not use it or use it sparinly on and off thru out the year.
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In fact, I know of no real proof that insulin's role in muscle growth is due to it's anti-catabolic proterties if any.
Imo insluin does NOT do much more than contribute to bloat and glycogen storage.
Seriously ? :)
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Seriously ? :)
A welterweight from my gym got on insulin, he got up to 220 lbs (he is like 5'4). He looked huge and he wasn't fat.
he dieted down, and he was still a welterweight. (a pretty damn good welter tho :o)
it was all bloat
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Noel Fuller: I'm sure you are right but from my own personal experience, especially when I was working with Chad Nicholls it was not used in the offseason.. Just for loading before a show.. And don't forget, at that time Chad was also advising Ronnie, Nasser, Flex, Myself, Don Long, Tom Prince and I know for a fact that none of these men were on insulin until showtime.
polychronopolous: The mans face does looked aged and don't forget he is only 29.. He looks 40.. Just my opinion. You are correct in the fact that he is a smoker.. I saw it at the Europa a couple years ago.
Polska_Sensation: Ahhhhh, the good old days. The answer to your question is yes I partied like a rock star and had the time of my life. I could go down a list of the things I did and taking Ecstasy is at the bottom of that list. Threesoms, foursoms, orgies, 5 minute batroom stall relationships in the clubs, porn stars in Miami, etc... It was a wild time in my life and I survived. Nothing to hide here, it's all good.
Ummm You do know Polska that he is just playing with you!!! He never did any threesoms,foursoms, orgies, 5 minute bathroom stall relationships in the clubs, porn stars in Miami, etc. I know for a fact cause I was standing right next to him all those nights :-X
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A welterweight from my gym got on insulin, he got up to 220 lbs (he is like 5'4). He looked huge and he wasn't fat.
he dieted down, and he was still a welterweight. (a pretty damn good welter tho :o)
it was all bloat
Alot of times that happens to guys. They make gains every offseason yet ever year come showtime they weigh the same. Why? They use the same diet (same caloric intake) every year for their prep.
My guess is that he didnt increase his calorie level from his last shows prep to this shows prep.
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That's right people.. Lopez was standing right next to me on just about every single one of those magical occasions. My favorite part was leaving the "club" at 4:00 PM Sunday after arriving at the club at 4:00 AM Saturday.. Ummm that's 12 hours of family fun and rounds of redbull for everyone ;). Like the movie, we owned the night and that's just about all that needs to be said. ;)
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king i used to not like u alot but after your recent show and the numerous ownings u have served i am now one of your biggest fans-keep up the great work-ive been following your diet and back routine from the muscletech book and i seen good reults
i also liked in the muscletechs dvd about food where its u and the boys w/ boeving jay cutler says egg whites and u say whole eggs making jay look like a warry wart...lol lol lol nice bro!!!
in iron
gene
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Ridiculous man. Lopez are you some BB are just a hanger-on, just playing bro'. I know he never had threesomes, foursomes or any of that bad stuff, he is a professional BB, they don't do those kind's of things.
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That's right people.. Lopez was standing right next to me on just about every single one of those magical occasions. My favorite part was leaving the "club" at 4:00 PM Sunday after arriving at the club at 4:00 AM Saturday.. Ummm that's 12 hours of family fun and rounds of redbull for everyone ;). Like the movie, we owned the night and that's just about all that needs to be said. ;)
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Ahhh, the good ol day's!!! If you guys only knew!!!!!
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hey king,
listen i always respected you... but your first post??? come on bro are you serious?? you were real good in 2001,200etc, but dude just admit it man your body isnt the same and its not just me talking. hundreds of people think your delusional, and your just listening to the good people kissing your ass.... wider then wolf? bigger then melvin, and dexter . yeah you may weigh more but bro its mostly in your stomach. wolf has a ten times superior build then you, hes younger and way better now... not in those picks you posted when it was like he was what 25 26. he was still a baby. and bigger then melvin and dex? dude there builds are symetrical and beautiful. i just cant believe you can say shit like that. bro you need help guess all those drugs from factory in NYC days fried your brain man. i had so much more respect for you but i dont even want to say i looked up to you, and asked for your advice anymore . all my friends and people at md ,getbig etc think your delusional. represent NY better dude. you are loosing it man. let it go. promote shows, do some guest appearences but saying your top 10 material at the o makes you look silly. i think i am the only one telling you the truth i dont give a shit if you put me down or say im on crack or im a buck tooth whatever cause bro ill come say it to your face i get ten times more hate then you im not one of these pussy ass bitches from getbig or md talkign shit. from a man to man for real. and least im not saying what you said in your first post! love me or hate me least i am not delusional.
peace
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gotta respect Derek for posting on the boards with his real name and talking like this.
especially when he must meet King at every expo
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gotta respect Derek for posting on the boards with his real name and talking like this.
especially when he must meet King at every expo
exactly, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and i respect Derek for that.
He did the same thing King did, and stated what he thinks is true. Nothing wrong with that!
Should start a good discussion/debate anyways.
Glen..
**** Just keep it positive fellas***** ;D
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but i posted a pic of wolf and king from the front... didnt even make a comment, but my post got erased!!! :'( :'( :'(
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i dont hate king at all. i like his bad ass attitude . i just dont think hes getting wright information from whoever is telling him he looks good. his mom,wife fans ?? come on i mean serious. king ill put 5 k on it thats 1k more then to just show up at a qualified o placing. that you will never place top 10 again. lets see
put your $$ were your mouth is and stop blaming the judges! its your physique they dont like not your personality or anything you did in your past. and please god dont pose your back side like ronnie coleman when you were such a good entertaining poser. go back to what go you famous being lean and ripped and CONDITIONED and your great posing. not looking big and bloaded with a huge gut. and that last posing performance which was horrible. and dont say i cant dance etc etc. i use to dance for women for 5 years i know how to entertain and women will like you more posing like a your robotic cool ways then that shaking your ass like that performance. dude it was horrible.and i am not the only one that thinks so i have the balls to say it !
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keep it positive guys!!! :)
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Robbie and I had some great times.. Even some shit that I would love to forget ;).. But hey, it was a learning experience and we did what we did.. Times change and we are now both on a separate path. It was a very sad day today. We both attended Steve Stone's funeral and I must say it was surreal. The church was packed and a lot of respect was given to a good man. Other than a few morons that came with tank tops and muscle shirts and some women that were there in outfits that were made for clubs and not a funeral it was a very classy farewell... Life is too short. Anyway, I got back on track tonight and blasted chest and triceps. I am pushing 288 lbs. so I think I will increase the cardio a bit to slow things down. My rebound is the best ever but I do not want to jump past 290.. That's too much to fast. More good news is coming from Jim and his Powder.. I think you all will soon benefit from his creation.. Just hang in tight I promise it will be worth it.
Once again goodbye Steve... You will be missed.. RIP.
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Robbie and I had some great times.. Even some shit that I would love to forget ;).. But hey, it was a learning experience and we did what we did.. Times change and we are now both on a separate path. It was a very sad day today. We both attended Steve Stone's funeral and I must say it was surreal. The church was packed and a lot of respect was given to a good man. Other than a few morons that came with tank tops and muscle shirts and some women that were there in outfits that were made for clubs and not a funeral it was a very classy farewell... Life is too short. Anyway, I got back on track tonight and blasted chest and triceps. I am pushing 288 lbs. so I think I will increase the cardio a bit to slow things down. My rebound is the best ever but I do not want to jump past 290.. That's too much to fast. More good news is coming from Jim and his Powder.. I think you all will soon benefit from his creation.. Just hang in tight I promise it will be worth it.
Once again goodbye Steve... You will be missed.. RIP.
Are you fucking serious ?!?!
damn some people have no class
RIP mr.Stone
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Derek shut up, your a nobody. Your a personal trainer, your a wannabe, just dont post anymore dude, your a bottom feeder.
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Anyway, I got back on track tonight and blasted chest and triceps. I am pushing 288 lbs. so I think I will increase the cardio a bit to slow things down. My rebound is the best ever but I do not want to jump past 290.. That's too much to fast.
Why is it "too much too fast"?
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Gaining 40 pounds in 3 weeks is too much too fast. I feel it in my heart and that's a dead end street. It's better to slow down the weight gain so I don't put too much pressure on my heart.. I have seen many bodybuilders end up in the hospital with irregular heart beats after shows because of this exact reason.
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Oh. Makes sense. I would love 40lbs in 3 weeks. :P
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Oh. Makes sense. I would love 40lbs in 3 weeks. :P
It would be very hard on your body to adapt to that. Especially the water weight.
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No you would not brother.. It's not a good feeling at all. You might look like a monster but you feel like a dying moose. The heart can only take so much and when you see healthy young men like Steve Stone pass away from a heart attack.. you start to wonder and get smart real fast.
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Your probably right , BUT...40 lbs of extra muscle means then I only got 60 lbs to go untill im where I want to be ! :-\ ;D
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Your probably right , BUT...40 lbs of extra muscle means then I only got 60 lbs to go untill im where I want to be ! :-\ ;D
Well alot of Kings 40lbs is glycogen and water. Not actually muscle tissue, so its a good idea to back down like he said.
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No you would not brother.. It's not a good feeling at all. You might look like a monster but you feel like a dying moose. The heart can only take so much and when you see healthy young men like Steve Stone pass away from a heart attack.. you start to wonder and get smart real fast.
very true !!!
after my show in july, I was weighting 190 lbs at the show and 242 a month after ;D
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very true !!!
after my show in july, I was weighting 190 lbs at the show and 242 a month after ;D
Stavios why dont u post up some offseason pics and start an offseason thread on here? that'd be cool
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You know its funny, a lot of people will say stuff like, dude you suck as a pro really bad and that's a fact. ::) Seems like a lot of people don't know that difference between facts and an opinion. Probabely more than 90% of the people on Getbig said that King would never place in the top 15 of a second tier show. They also said that he would not be able to reduce his waist size. Well not only did he place in the top 15, but he placed 6th out of 52 guys in the hardest show of the year next to the Olympia and the Arnold Classic and yes, his waist was flat as a board. Now, THAT'S A FACT!!!! King changed his physique has now reversed the effects of Palumboism. ;D Actually I do not like that term as to put it plain and simple it is not nice. Name one BBer who has EVER done anything like King has achieved!!! I do believe that King could have qualified for the Olympia had he entered one of the other shows, I also believe that he could have placed in the top 10 at the Olympia. More importantly though is the fact he has changed his look totally.
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lmao top ten??? want to put $$ on that ill bet 5k says no way in hell ever again will place top ten you down??? put your $$ were your mouth is
Derek King placed a controversial 6th at the AC pro, when he should have been fifth or maybe even fourth.
He was only 2 spots behind Toney Freeman who two weeks later placed top five at the olympia, what makes u think he couldnt be top 10 in front of someone like Moe El Mosawi ( sp? ) ???
Hes not that far off, he brought his waist down, improved his arms and had the best conditioning in atlantic city.
All King needs to do is add some outer thigh and increase the seperation in his legs and he could easily place top 10 at the arnold or olympia. Hes not that far off at all.
I think what King did this year is just a preview of bigger things to come. He only worked with Jim Magnone for a few months leading up to this show and totally changed his physique, what makes u think he cant make even more drastic changes with a year or more with the same plan???
Just my 2 cents
Glen
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Remember this fellas
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If I, or any of the other Mods, see a Post that doesn't abide by the Rules, it WILL get Deleted. Let's make this a fun, enjoyable Board, fellas. You want to insult someone ... belittle them ... post somewhere else. Thank you.
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Remember this fellas
This Board clearly states, " Positive board with no attacks or negative posts for fans of the bodybuilding sport, whether it be professional or amatuer. Discussions, news, info or whatever questions you feel like asking without getting flamed. Keep it positive, clean and bodybuilding oriented only. "
If I, or any of the other Mods, see a Post that doesn't abide by the Rules, it WILL get Deleted. Let's make this a fun, enjoyable Board, fellas. You want to insult someone ... belittle them ... post somewhere else. Thank you.
You're welcome. ;D ;)
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You're welcome. ;D ;)
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The only way you will ever win the O is if you fly in on a Magic Carpet with Ali Malla or Samir Bannout and steal it from your boytoy Blechman. Go away Kamali. Or go back to smoking Camel Shit from your Hooka pipe.
Thats not exactly positive now is it?
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Thats not exactly positive now is it?
No, it wasn't. >:(
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No, it wasn't. >:(
Nice clean up. Some people just don't understand what being positive is.
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King,
why will you talk about insulin use
but not your steroid cycle
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Stavios why dont u post up some offseason pics and start an offseason thread on here? that'd be cool
I'll tell you why !
cause I look like shit right now ! ;D
I'm off the vitamins for the fall so I just try to hold on to what I have.
but I can gain 50 pounds and I look the same. I look bigger in clothes but without clothes I just look like I did at 190 lbs with the same proportions and I still look thin, exept I am smoother ;D
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King,
why will you talk about insulin use
but not your steroid cycle
maybe because steroids are illegal and he doesn't post behind a screen name
is that a good reason ? ;D
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I'll tell you why !
cause I look like shit right now ! ;D
I'm off the vitamins for the fall so I just try to hold on to what I have.
but I can gain 50 pounds and I look the same. I look bigger in clothes but without clothes I just look like I did at 190 lbs with the same proportions and I still look thin, exept I am smoother ;D
well as soon as u get your vitamin prescription refilled u start posting some pics and start a thread :)
u have one of the best physiques on this site, so it'd be a cool thread.
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thanks for the props Flex.
I don't think I will compete next year but I will still do a diet next spring in a quest to become inhumanly shredded 8)
I won't do a show cause I'll still be too small but I think I can achieve extreme rippedness if I stop worring about losing muscle mass.
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thanks for the props Flex.
I don't think I will compete next year but I will still do a diet next spring in a quest to become inhumanly shredded 8)
I won't do a show cause I'll still be too small but I think I can achieve extreme rippedness if I stop worring about losing muscle mass.
i think about everyone can if they do this small lil' thing! I think people just think they have more muscle than they really do, and dont want to get below a certain bodyweight, but by doing this, they never achieve the level of conditioning that it takes to be shredded ! ;D
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absolutely.
that's why if I just get ripped for the hell of it, without having a show in mind, I won't care about being smaller 8)
I am looking foward to this, just want to continu to add some muscles this winter before cutting down
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Derek shut up, your a nobody. Your a personal trainer, your a wannabe, just dont post anymore dude, your a bottom feeder.
But, he is saying the truth. I highly agree with him.
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But, he is saying the truth. I highly agree with him.
X2
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getfast81: Much respect back to you. I too am surprised that Dex won BUT, don't forget that the judges also knew that if they voted for Jay and jay was off like he was on Friday that the sport might not recover and the backlash would be like the economy.. down the toilet. Dex deserved the win but he was not at his best.. He too was a bit off. Wolf needs to take some time off.. Look at the mans face! He was better last year.. what does that tell you? The AC looks very interesting to me.. ;)
What the hell happened? Why is that bro? Sorry to sound noobish. Oh well