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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: King Shizzo on January 03, 2016, 05:32:20 AM
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Is the bodybuilding and fitness lifestyle really healthy? Do calorie restrictions and sub 10% bodyfat levels, really promote wellness as a human being? Remember, we are still mammals. Our metabolisms were designed to carry some "safety fat", in case of starvation. Obviously, I do not advocate being a fat ass, because that also isn't healthy.
This thread is about the guys/gals who take fitness to the extreme. Sorry, but it isn't any healthier than being obese, they are just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I have been sick the most, when I have been at my leanest. Having a reasonable amount of fat on your body is healthy.
Of course that goes against what most fitness/bodybuilders strive for.
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No it`s fine if you want to look like shit for the rest of your life.
Safety Fat Of Peace
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No it`s fine if you want to look like shit for the rest of your life.
Safety Fat Of Peace
I am going by biology, Wes. Humans were not meant to deplete fat stores to such dangerous levels. It ruins your metabolism and your immune system, which allows you to become sick much easier.
Leanness/aesthetics do not equal health.
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You'll get laid more. Majority of women are in that attractiveness range as opposed to looking really good.
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Lee Haney says we should always stay just a week away from contest condition.
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It's worse than death.
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Bodies are vehicles of the soul. If you want to make life's spiritual journey fat and unhealthy, it's your choice.
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You'll get laid more. Majority of women are in that attractiveness range as opposed to looking really good.
That seems to be a theme.......So should looks and attractiveness to others, outweigh overall health?
It's not healthy to be very lean. I bet most people got sick more often during contest prep, than in the offseason.
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That seems to be a theme.......So should looks and attractiveness to others, outweigh overall health?
It's not healthy to be very lean. I bet most people got sick more often during contest prep, than in the offseason.
Take almost any manual worker from the 1920's, living on 3 square meals per day and just see how much 'safety' fat they have
Take a tribesman living in a tropical jungle and check his 'safety' fat
Your just a fat lazy cun.t, sooner you come to terms with this the better
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Bodies are vehicles of the soul. If you want to make life's spiritual journey fat and unhealthy, it's your choice.
That's precisely part of my point. You don't have to be 8% bodyfat, with abs to be healthy. In fact, I would argue that a guy who carries 15-20% bodyfat (assuming they both live otherwise healthy lifestyles) would have the healthier metabolism.
Looks are obviously another subject.
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Take almost any manual worker from the 1920's, living on 3 square meals per day and just see how much 'safety' fat they have
Take a tribesman living in a tropical jungle and check his 'safety' fat
Your just a fat lazy cun.t, sooner you come to terms with this the better
Lol, we are talking about modern times and first world civilizations here. You guys need to learn reading comprehension.
Having single digit bodyfat may be desirable for aesthetic purposes, but it isn't healthier than a normal male with a dad bod.
In no way did I say that being excessively fat and lazy was healthy.
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Lol, we are talking about modern times and first world civilizations here. You guys need to learn reading comprehension.
Having single digit bodyfat may be desirable for aesthetic purposes, but it isn't healthier than a normal male with a dad bod.
In no way did I say that being excessively fat and lazy was healthy.
having the sedentary office lifestyle that most westerens have today is unhealthy. To have a long and healthy life without lifestyle diseases, back problem etc. most people should do some sports of fitness activity. Having 3% bodyfat is of course not to be desired, from a health perspective.
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This is the type of "healthy fat stores" I am talking about. Assuming he is otherwise normal, this guy's physique is healthier for the body, than someone who is doing god knows what to get into the single digits in bodyfat.
So does it become an exercise of health and wellness, or simply pushing the body's boundaries for vanity reasons?
(http://notable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/dad-bod-750x400.jpg)
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Hope this helps
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/96a0de6943371c0df6d2b63a8f4e7d79/tumblr_nsbxfxjlVM1sm3vxwo1_500.jpg)
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This is the type of "healthy fat stores" I am talking about. Assuming he is otherwise normal, this guy's physique is healthier for the body, than someone who is doing god knows what to get into the single digits in bodyfat.
So does it become an exercise of health and wellness, or simply pushing the body's boundaries for vanity reasons?
(http://notable.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/dad-bod-750x400.jpg)
Wider than....
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Lol, we are talking about modern times and first world civilizations here. You guys need to learn reading comprehension.
Having single digit bodyfat may be desirable for aesthetic purposes, but it isn't healthier than a normal male with a dad bod.
In no way did I say that being excessively fat and lazy was healthy.
What your failing to comprehend is the human body was meant for daily manual work, combined with a normal diet.... If you live by this ethos you will be relatively lean, only the modern sedentary estrogenised 'male' such as your self will sport saggy tits and pear shaped proportions
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The problem with maintaining at this type of dad bod point is that it's too close to being a bloated fat ass slob and too easy to slip over to there.
Life will always give you ups and downs, and stress. This will cause you to train less and or eat more. Then all of a sudden you will be looking at 18-25 percent body fat after a 3 month period and trying to dig your way out of that hole. Most people do not come back from being a fat ass and then it's over for them.
Life is a choice son, you can be the envy of other men or not, you can be strong or not. Do what you want, but accept that.
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Lol, we are talking about modern times and first world civilizations here. You guys need to learn reading comprehension.
Having single digit bodyfat may be desirable for aesthetic purposes, but it isn't healthier than a normal male with a dad bod.
In no way did I say that being excessively fat and lazy was healthy.
Perfect bf-levels from a health-standpoint are 14-18 %. Nothing new about that.
The human body is not meant to be in the "single digits", never was. Most professional atheltes (ATHLETES, not bodybuilders lol) aren't in the single digits.
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The problem with maintaining at this type of dad bod point is that it's too close to being a bloated fat ass slob and too easy to slip over to there.
Life will always give you ups and downs, and stress. This will cause you to train less and or eat more. Then all of a sudden you will be looking at 18-25 percent body fat after a 3 month period and trying to dig your way out of that hole. Most people do not come back from being a fat ass and then it's over for them.
Life is a choice son, you can be the envy of other men or not, you can be strong or not. Do what you want, but accept that.
QFT
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Perfect bf-levels from a health-standpoint are 14-18 %. Nothing new about that.
The human body is not meant to be in the "single digits", never was. Most professional atheltes (ATHLETES, not bodybuilders lol) aren't in the single digits.
Thanks for supporting the point of my thread. People admire the incredibly muscular, hyper-ripped physiques, yet they don't seem to realize that getting to that level of conditioning is the opposite of being healthy. At that point, your body is more susceptible to sickness than ever. It could very well be the epitome of the phrase: Looks can be deceiving.
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Stop making excuses, this shit is some of the worst bro science I've ever read.
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Thanks for supporting the point of my thread. People admire the incredibly muscular, hyper-ripped physiques, yet they don't seem to realize that getting to that level of conditioning is the opposite of being healthy. At that point, your body is more susceptible to sickness than ever. It could very well be the epitome of the phrase: Looks can be deceiving.
Once you spill over 25% you are susceptible to all kinds of other issues: metabolic syndrome, the beetus, heart disease, the never-ever-get-laid syndrome.
Once you've experienced hottie that can't get enough of your physique, you will realize what it's all about.
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Stop making excuses, this shit is some of the worst bro science I've ever read.
Excuses for what? Where did I say that it wasn't healthy to eat right and exercise?
I am stating that extreme leanness isn't healthy.
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Once you spill over 25% you are susceptible to all kinds of other issues: metabolic syndrome, the beetus, heart disease, the never-ever-get-laid syndrome.
Once you've experienced hottie that can't get enough of your physique, you will realize what it's all about.
I do not believe you are under 10% bodyfat, correct? This applies to bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts who try to remain in the single digits for long periods of time. Bet that you will find that many of them get sick quite often.
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Dicaprio sporting a healthy dad bod.
(http://wp-ag.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/66/2015/05/Dad-Bod-Leonardo-DiCaprio.jpg)
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being happy with a "dad bod" is a disgrace, especially young and single lads, men are not supposed to have tits as is so commonly accepted these days. I don't care to be lean, just like to be average bodyfat, lift, have a good degree of size while enjoying life. All these skinny fat "dad bod" young lads these days want fucking shot who think their plucked eyebrows and £120 shirt makes up for their disgusting skinnyfat physiques
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being happy with a "dad bod" is a disgrace, especially young and single lads, men are not supposed to have tits as is so commonly accepted these days. I don't care to be lean, just like to be average bodyfat, lift, have a good degree of size while enjoying life. All these skinny fat "dad bod" young lads these days want fucking shot who think their plucked eyebrows and £120 shirt makes up for their disgusting skinnyfat physiques
Again, you help make my point. Nothing wrong with what you said. A healthy, modest approach.
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Again, you help make my point. Nothing wrong with what you said. A healthy, modest approach.
Maybe I misunderstand the term 'dad bod' I thought it means looking like a pile of shit?
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Depp rocking the healthy, dad bod.
(http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_479,w_640/t_mp_quality/mq4zawfczhovef8mv5qx/the-dad-bod-trend-cuts-men-some-serious-slack-from-unrealistic-body-expectations-we-are-649512.jpg)
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Depp rocking the healthy, dad bod.
(http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_479,w_640/t_mp_quality/mq4zawfczhovef8mv5qx/the-dad-bod-trend-cuts-men-some-serious-slack-from-unrealistic-body-expectations-we-are-649512.jpg)
Disgusting, no muscle tissue at all
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Disgusting, no muscle tissue at all
Aesthetically pleasing? Probably not. Healthy bodyfat range? Absolutely.
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Aesthetically pleasing? Probably not. Healthy bodyfat range? Absolutely.
Yes bodyfat not to bad, looks worse than it is as its on a little fag, would look a lot leaner if he carried a good amount of muscle
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Depp rocking the healthy, dad bod.
(http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_479,w_640/t_mp_quality/mq4zawfczhovef8mv5qx/the-dad-bod-trend-cuts-men-some-serious-slack-from-unrealistic-body-expectations-we-are-649512.jpg)
Unacceptable if < 55 years old
Partially okay if > 55 years old
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Excuses for what? Where did I say that it wasn't healthy to eat right and exercise?
I am stating that extreme leanness isn't healthy.
I'm about 9% without having to diet and I have a better immune system, more energy and stamina than others with a higher bf. It only gets unhealthy when you use drugs and starvation to get down to the lowest possible body fat.
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Maybe I misunderstand the term 'dad bod' I thought it means looking like a pile of shit?
No, you are correct. A dad bod is just a fag that LLS and feels good about himself. Nothing more. Without the PC emasculation-approved beta-level feel goods, this would just be another fat pig that wouldn't dare to take his shirt off ever, the way that God intended.
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No, you are correct. A dad bod is just a fag that LLS and feels good about himself. Nothing more. Without the PC emasculation-approved beta-level feel goods, this would just be another fat pig that wouldn't dare to take his shirt off ever, the way that God intended.
Dad bods do not represent fat pigs. Would you classify the pics in this thread as fat pigs?
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Shizz must be the only guy who posts on a bodybuilding forum who aspires to look like a bag of smashed assholes. :(
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Stop making excuses, this shit is some of the worst bro science I've ever read.
Yeah, sez who on the whole 14-18 percent thing? What, the quack medical industry that is creating junkies out of everyone? The people who for 30 plus years said steroids didn't work?
This whole thread is one big attack on Mike OHearn. I will not have it!
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Shizz must be the only guy who posts on a bodybuilding forum who aspires to look like a bag of smashed assholes. :(
he is trying to generate replies
its classic drunken shizzo
to be fair this is quite a good thread idea :)
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Is the bodybuilding and fitness lifestyle really healthy? Do calorie restrictions and sub 10% bodyfat levels, really promote wellness as a human being? Remember, we are still mammals. Our metabolisms were designed to carry some "safety fat", in case of starvation. Obviously, I do not advocate being a fat ass, because that also isn't healthy.
This thread is about the guys/gals who take fitness to the extreme. Sorry, but it isn't any healthier than being obese, they are just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I have been sick the most, when I have been at my leanest. Having a reasonable amount of fat on your body is healthy.
Of course that goes against what most fitness/bodybuilders strive for.
I can see it already......2016 will be the year of the shit thread on Getbig.
Two days into the new year and Shizzo and Howard have turned the G&O into their personal shitfest.
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I can see it already......2016 will be the year of the shit thread on Getbig.
Two days into the new year and Shizzo and Howard have turned the G&O into their personal shitfest.
Give `em time! :D
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Shizz must be the only guy who posts on a bodybuilding forum who aspires to look like a bag of smashed assholes. :(
Apparently you don't own a mirror!
Happy New Year old man!!!!!
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Apparently you don't own a mirror!
Happy New Year old man!!!!!
Right back at ya` shitbag! ;D
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The whole point of this thread was not to give excuses, nor to say that I wouldn't wish to have a body of a Greek God. The point of this thread was to state that carrying single digit bodyfat (while obviously looking better) was not as healthy as someone with mild fat storage (also known as dad bod) Mammals were designed to carry fat. Sure, evolution and the end of hunting and gathering, have made it so we don't need nearly as much as we used to, but the body functions at it's best with moderate fat stores.
Here is Matt Damon hanging on the ledge of dad bod status.
(http://static2.therichestimages.com/cdn/1200/629/100/c/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/drehkilos-matt-damon2010-sp_5953036-ORIGINAL-imageGallery_standard.jpg)
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Right back at ya` shitbag! ;D
Wes, you need to take 2016 a little more seriously, there are millions of people starving in Ethiopia.
And they are still more massive than you!
Shitbag!
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Excuses for what? Where did I say that it wasn't healthy to eat right and exercise?
I am stating that extreme leanness isn't healthy.
You're trying to justify being a fat bastard. You have a drink problem, we get it, training is hard while drunk
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You're trying to justify being a fat bastard. You have a drink problem, we get it, training is hard while drunk
I wasn't justifying anything. Simply stating biological facts. Do you know what being a mammal means scientifically?
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I wasn't justifying anything. Simply stating biological facts. Do you know what being a mammal means scientifically?
Mammals give birth to live young. Not eggs. The end.
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Wes, you need to take 2016 a little more seriously, there are millions of people starving in Ethiopia.
And they are still more massive than you!
Shitbag!
LOL ;D
In all seriousness,have a safe and healthy 2016 dude.
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Fellas, lets not get into an uproar here. You can still lift, carry muscle, and have healthy, moderate fat stores.
I feel this gentleman's physique describes the above best.
(http://feastoffun.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dadbod-thu-MAY2015-300x227.jpg)
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You're trying to justify being a fat bastard. You have a drink problem, we get it, training is hard while drunk
Shizzo is another closet homo who wants to deconstruct gender and put and end to real men, to make himself feel better about being such a wad waste.
If you have a Dad bod it is either because you're lazy, or your old lady wants you fat and ugly because she feels threatened by other women paying attention to you when you're in shape.
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Fellas, lets not get into an uproar here. You can still lift, carry muscle, and have healthy, moderate fat stores.
I feel this gentleman's physique describes the above best.
(http://feastoffun.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dadbod-thu-MAY2015-300x227.jpg)
This guy is completely different from the other fat fucks you have posted. He's got decent muscle, bicep veins and visible delts. He's a decent cut away from having his abs back. This isn't a dad bod.
Oh, and you'll never look this good.
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Shizzo is another closet homo who wants to deconstruct gender and put and end to real men, to make himself feel better about being such a wad waste.
If you have a Dad bod it is either because you're lazy, or your old lady wants you fat and ugly because she feels threatened by other women paying attention to you when you're in shape.
I think I see what the problem is here. Hardcore lifters and dieters have a skewed perception as to what "being fat" is.
Just because someone isn't overly muscular, does not make them fat by default. None of the pics I have posted in this thread are what is considered to be fat. They are healthier body types than people starving themselves and taking diuretics to achieve 6% bodyfat.
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I think I see what the problem is here. Hardcore lifters and dieters have a skewed perception as to what "being fat" is.
Just because someone isn't overly muscular, does not make them fat by default. None of the pics I have posted in this thread are what is considered to be fat. They are healthier body types than people starving themselves and taking diuretics to achieve 6% bodyfat.
Shizzo....you know as much about being muscular and 6% bodyfat as I know about being pregnant.
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This guy is completely different from the other fat fucks you have posted. He's got decent muscle, bicep veins and visible delts. He's a decent cut away from having his abs back. This isn't a dad bod.
Oh, and you'll never look this good.
Visible delts? I thought visible delts were a part of normal, human anatomy ???
I have posted no pics of "fat fucks" in this thread. I did say that Matt Damon was on the precipice though.
By the way AJ, what are you complaining about? You are clearly in the healthy fat stores range. You are as smooth as a babies bottom. :-*
You are someone that other dad bods can aspire to (with about 3 months of solid training)
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Oh, and this IS a good thread. It makes me wish that this wasn't such obvious post-count whoring by Shizzo who is warming back up to this "King Shizzo" hogwash again.
Pretty soon we will see a post by him claiming to "bring the traffic" and more bullshit. Normally, I don't mind him, but this facet of him makes me want him to FOAD.
In before "meltdown" and the obligatory gifs of a nuclear explosion and the patented ouch-face.
OP, YLLS HTH. Getbig rules!
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Oh, and this IS a good thread. It makes me wish that this wasn't such obvious post-count whoring by Shizzo who is warming back up to this "King Shizzo" hogwash again.
Pretty soon we will see a post by him claiming to "bring the traffic" and more bullshit. Normally, I don't mind him, but this facet of him makes me want him to FOAD.
In before "meltdown" and the obligatory gifs of a nuclear explosion and the patented ouch-face.
OP, YLLS HTH. Getbig rules!
No, I am a thinker. Bodybuilding and fitness sometimes lose site of what being healthy really encompasses. It has nothing to do with how much you lift or what you look like in the mirror. It's all about whats going on in the inside.
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Fellas, lets not get into an uproar here. You can still lift, carry muscle, and have healthy, moderate fat stores.
I feel this gentleman's physique describes the above best.
(http://feastoffun.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dadbod-thu-MAY2015-300x227.jpg)
I have little doubt, given this guy's age, that he is at least on HRT. That is hardly a dad bod.
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When I diet down really lean my sex drive goes away a bit, now I'm towards the end of a bulk I feel the urge to cum 2 times a day usually lol.
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I have little doubt, given this guy's age, that he is at least on HRT. That is hardly a dad bod.
Sure he is. There is a dad bod spectrum, and he is obviously at the top, whereas the pic I showed of Matt Damon would be at the very bottom.
Someone like AJ grades very high on the dad bod scale.
P.S. I never stated that intelligent HRT usage disqualifies someone from having a healthy dad bod.
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"Dad Bod" is furthering the demasculanization of the American male....fuck that shit. Aspire to average? Good luck guys...
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When I diet down really lean my sex drive goes away a bit, now I'm towards the end of a bulk I feel the urge to cum 2 times a day usually lol.
Now all you need is a girl! ;D
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One of the strongest men in the world -
(http://i.imgur.com/4LC5WLL.png)
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"Dad Bod" is furthering the demasculanization of the American male....fuck that shit. Aspire to average? Good luck guys...
Again, it seems to be more about looks than health for some of you.
The people who look the biggest, freakiest, and leanest, are often times the least healthy as well.
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Again, it seems to be more about looks than health for some of you.
The people who look the biggest, freakiest, and leanest, are often times the least healthy as well.
Not at all....it seems that for some...lowering the standard to something closer to yourself is more important.....believe it or not....it is possible to be VERY healthy and look like a man....not an average skinny fat man....
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Again, it seems to be more about looks than health for some of you.
The people who look the biggest, freakiest, and leanest, are often times the least healthy as well.
Wasn't the term dad bod coined after photographs of celebrities? Making it about looks...
I kinda doubt Leo has a healthy lifestyle. Yet you labelled him as healthy.
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Wasn't the term dad bod coined after photographs of celebrities? Making it about looks...
I kinda doubt Leo has a healthy lifestyle. Yet you labelled him as healthy.
Truth^^^
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When I diet down really lean my sex drive goes away a bit, now I'm towards the end of a bulk I feel the urge to cum 2 times a day usually lol.
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HA!!^^^
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Wasn't the term dad bod coined after photographs of celebrities? Making it about looks...
I kinda doubt Leo has a healthy lifestyle. Yet you labelled him as healthy.
Leo drinks like a fish and stays up all night partying with babes.
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Wasn't the term dad bod coined after photographs of celebrities? Making it about looks...
I kinda doubt Leo has a healthy lifestyle. Yet you labelled him as healthy.
No, I labelled his body type as being healthy. Then it becomes up to the individual whether or not they drink, do drugs etc......
You are right, Leo probably doesn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but he does have healthy bodyfat stores.
We are going by healthy bodyfat percentages. 15-20% is healthier than 8% all day long. Metabolism works better, therefore you usually get sick less often.
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Leo drinks like a fish and stays up all night partying with babes.
But, if you have a $300,000,000 net worth, you can look like Jack Nicholson and still rod out college coeds.
If you work at Walmart and can't make the monthly payment on your Toyota Camry then you're just called fat and out of shape.
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That's precisely part of my point. You don't have to be 8% bodyfat, with abs to be healthy. In fact, I would argue that a guy who carries 15-20% bodyfat (assuming they both live otherwise healthy lifestyles) would have the healthier metabolism.
Looks are obviously another subject.
You're ignoring lifestyle and health.
Generally speaking, health and habits in the 30's determines the rest of your life.
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hahahahaaha
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You're ignoring lifestyle and health.
Generally speaking, health and habits in the 30's determines the rest of your life.
That's precisely part of my point. You don't have to be 8% bodyfat, with abs to be healthy. In fact, I would argue that a guy who carries 15-20% bodyfat (assuming they both live otherwise healthy lifestyles) would have the healthier metabolism.
Looks are obviously another subject.
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Someone living a healthy and active lifestyle probably won't be over the 20% mark. Too low has consequences, as well.
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No, I labelled his body type as being healthy. Then it becomes up to the individual whether or not they drink, do drugs etc......
You are right, Leo probably doesn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but he does have healthy bodyfat stores.
We are going by healthy bodyfat percentages. 15-20% is healthier than 8% all day long. Metabolism works better, therefore you usually get sick less often.
You labelled his body as healthy. Based on an image. Disregarding his playboy lifestyle. But criticise others for focusing on just image.
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Someone living a healthy and active lifestyle probably won't be over the 20% mark. Too low has consequences, as well.
There is no correlation between bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and a healthy lifestyle. All of those "extreme" disciplines of lifting have their issues.
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There is no correlation between bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and a healthy lifestyle. All of those "extreme" disciplines of lifting have their issues.
Those three things can be done in moderation.
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You labelled his body as healthy. Based on an image. Disregarding his playboy lifestyle. But criticise others for focusing on just image.
I used his image as an example. I then said it was up to the individual at that point as to whether or not he was leading a healthy life.
I also said that since it was Leo, he probably doesn't lead a healthy lifestyle. All of the pics used were to reference the dad bod body type, in reference to what should be considered a healthy bodyfat range.
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I say do what you want, and don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks?
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Those three things can be done in moderation.
Not if you want to be considered amongst the best, which brings me back to my point. The elite bodybuilders and fitness competitors/athletes are pushing their bodies to the max, which is often times far less healthy than the industry tries to portray.
The dude with the 17% dad bod is probably healthier in most of those cases.
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A "dad bod" is within everyones grasps. We can all look like this some day! Why would someone not want to look like this?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552703.0;attach=583135;image[img])
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Those three things can be done in moderation.
So can booze, not that shizzo would know.
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We are going by healthy bodyfat percentages. 15-20% is healthier than 8% all day long. Metabolism works better, therefore you usually get sick less often.
Oh Healthy! Healthy! The fat man is gonna tell me what's healthy! Where's your proof in all this? Or is it just you justifying your rationale because you notice so many people are out of shape that's it become the new norm? Take good advice for once and get to the gym before you have to use your very own Kovacs Towel™ to wipe your ass.
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To be successful one must be selfish.
You see this everywhere...with rich people, doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, etc. etc. They spend less time with family and more time doing their job.
When you have children, a house, job and responsibilities you spend less time being selfish...the way it should be.
Something always gives.
Example: The hot chic that works the desk at one of my gyms I frequent. Had a baby two weeks ago and is training to go into a fitness contest. I asked her what time she works until. She said 5pm. I then followed up with how long is your training at night. She says roughly two hours. I then asked her when she sees her baby. She responded with...I see my baby.
You see, To be successful one has to be selfish.
Unless you are a twink and take steroids...45 minutes at the gym with no cardio will get the job done.
Understand?
STAY POSITVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So can booze, not that shizzo would know.
I do. That is why I only pour 1 shot at a time. ;)
Honestly though, (knock on wood) I couldnt tell you the last time I got sick.
The safety fat is like a blanket of protection.
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Depp rocking the healthy, dad bod.
(http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_limit,h_479,w_640/t_mp_quality/mq4zawfczhovef8mv5qx/the-dad-bod-trend-cuts-men-some-serious-slack-from-unrealistic-body-expectations-we-are-649512.jpg)
all these famous people you are posting in your argument are multi-millionaire celebs who can get any pussy they want as well as get in shape for a role within 3 months through access to the best juice dollars nutrition and time to devote to such
they can afford to be like that and get away with having anything anything they desire.
You, I or anyone else cannot.
HTH
(http://i60.tinypic.com/riaogy.jpg)
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all these famous people you are posting in your argument are multi-millionaire celebs who can get any pussy they want as well as get in shape for a role within 3 months through access to the best juice dollars nutrition and time to devote to such
they can afford to be like that and get away with having anything anything they desire.
You, I or anyone else cannot.
HTH
(http://i60.tinypic.com/riaogy.jpg)
I was focusing more on the body composition rather than the person behind it. They were merely examples examples of what a dad bod looks like. Which can still be perfectly healthy.
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Hips wider than shldrs on this "man".....sad....no muscle tone at all.....
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There is no correlation between bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and a healthy lifestyle. All of those "extreme" disciplines of lifting have their issues.
^^^THIS
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For the most part, its an excuse to be lazy and not exercise. No shit, that being 2% bodyfat year around is not healthy. I don't think anyone said it was. So, I am not too sure what Shizzo is talking about. He's either trolling or stupid. Probably a mixture of both.
Obviously, being at a respectable bodyfat level and being in good shape, exercising, and eating right is the key to good health.
A dadbod is not.
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Not if you want to be considered amongst the best, which brings me back to my point. The elite bodybuilders and fitness competitors/athletes are pushing their bodies to the max, which is often times far less healthy than the industry tries to portray.
The dude with the 17% dad bod is probably healthier in most of those cases.
Elite is an unrealistic goal for more than 90% of people.
Everyone can have fitness a part of their life.
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To be successful one must be selfish.
You see this everywhere...with rich people, doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, etc. etc. They spend less time with family and more time doing their job.
When you have children, a house, job and responsibilities you spend less time being selfish...the way it should be.
Something always gives.
Example: The hot chic that works the desk at one of my gyms I frequent. Had a baby two weeks ago and is training to go into a fitness contest. I asked her what time she works until. She said 5pm. I then followed up with how long is your training at night. She says roughly two hours. I then asked her when she sees her baby. She responded with...I see my baby.
You see, To be successful one has to be selfish.
Unless you are a twink and take steroids...45 minutes at the gym with no cardio will get the job done.
Understand?
STAY POSITVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats for fighting the urge to mention my name.
HPN....stay stupid as always brah!
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For the most part, its an excuse to be lazy and not exercise. No shit, that being 2% bodyfat year around is not healthy. I don't think anyone said it was. So, I am not too sure what Shizzo is talking about. He's either trolling or stupid. Probably a mixture of both.
Obviously, being at a respectable bodyfat level and being in good shape, exercising, and eating right is the key to good health.
A dadbod is not.
What makes having a dad bod unhealthy? I also never said 2%.
Besides, most people can do what you state and still have a dad bod.
Itd called being normal and natural.
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Not many if any stay at 5 % BF year round.
In fact,wwho would want to expell the energy and committment to do so anyfuckingway.
No excuse to look like shit though.................8-10 % is manageable and the diet needed if you are serous to maintain this condition is a very healthy regimen.
Cardio,clean diet,plenty of water and hard workouts.........the benefits far outweigh the minuses.
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Depends on how much buoyancy concerns you.
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Not many if any stay at 5 % BF year round.
In fact,wwho would want to expell the energy and committment to do so anyfuckingway.
No excuse to look like shit though.................8-10 % is manageable and the diet needed if you are serous to maintain this condition is a very healthy regimen.
Cardio,clean diet,plenty of water and hard workouts.........the benefits far outweigh the minuses.
Please refrain from talking about training. You are not a person to talk about such things. You are a druggie and a liar. You are a weak person. A complete and utter waste of oxygen. Wegman's called...they want you to stop harassing the cashier for money...you get it. Pusher.
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Please refrain from talking about training. You are not a person to talk about such things. You are a druggie and a liar. You are a weak person. A complete and utter waste of oxygen. Wegman's called...they want you to stop harassing the cashier for money...you get it. Pusher.
Now that`s more like it fuckface.
Can you post a pic of your magnificent physique?
I thought not......loser!
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We have a new Uberman, was it?
Nature. Survival of the fittest. Animals. Nature.
Dad bod. Health. Fat. Dad bod.
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Not many if any stay at 5 % BF year round.
In fact,wwho would want to expell the energy and committment to do so anyfuckingway.
No excuse to look like shit though.................8-10 % is manageable and the diet needed if you are serous to maintain this condition is a very healthy regimen.
Cardio,clean diet,plenty of water and hard workouts.........the benefits far outweigh the minuses.
Wes, not trolling here..serious question:
What are the benefits? Think seriously about it, and let us know. What are the benefits for a middle aged man to stay at 8 percent?
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Wes, not trolling here..serious question:
What are the benefits? Think seriously about it, and let us know. What are the benefits for a middle aged man to stay at 8 percent?
PUSSSSSSYYYYYYY.
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The same as the benefits of a younger man.....
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PUSSSSSSYYYYYYY.
x2
It gets my wife's motor running for sure.
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x2
It gets my wife's motor running for sure.
I will achieve this same bodyfat level with my new Ironmaster dumbbells.
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I will achieve this same bodyfat level with my new Ironmaster dumbbells.
Helmut nods in approval.
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Helmut nods in approval.
The spokesman for being unhealthy. I bet he is "under the weather" all of the time.
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The spokesman for being unhealthy. I bet he is "under the weather" all of the time.
If by "weather", you mean "boatloads of pussy", then you are correct!
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The spokesman for being unhealthy. I bet he is "under the weather" all of the time.
Obviously, the guys not an astronaut.
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Wes, not trolling here..serious question:
What are the benefits? Think seriously about it, and let us know. What are the benefits for a middle aged man to stay at 8 percent?
No idea what the bodyfat % is, but I work out regularly, eat fairly clean, and feel fucking great. That's the benefit to taking care of oneself.
Even fat fucks can get pussy, there's no shortage. I work out for me, period. If someone else benefits, that's fine, but it's for Jake. I've been with the same woman for 10+ years and didn't have any problems getting laid before here. It's a lifestyle choice, plain and simple.
Feeling great in your own body is worth the effort it takes to get/shape.
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If by "weather", you mean "boatloads of pussy", then you are correct!
Today's forecast? Gushing showers.
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If by "weather", you mean "boatloads of pussy", then you are correct!
You cant be serious. Most women would find Helmut's physique utterly disgusting.
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You cant be serious. Most women would find Helmut's physique utterly disgusting.
Aha! We've reached the area you have expertise in. :D
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Wes, not trolling here..serious question:
What are the benefits? Think seriously about it, and let us know. What are the benefits for a middle aged man to stay at 8 percent?
To look great......especially as one ages,you get a certain insecurity.....getting old sucks but it`s inevitable.
If you can look as good or better as guys in their 20`s,I say do so.
Been training for eons as it is,why should I stop and look average.
Average is easy to attain......takes no discipline,anyone can do it.
Sounds corny,but training saved my life.
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You cant be serious. Most women would find Helmut's physique utterly disgusting.
Most women find you disgusting.
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You cant be serious. Most women would find Helmut's physique utterly disgusting.
And you would know this how? Via your extensive experience being shredded?
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further justification of a lame-bod
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And you would know this how? Via your extensive experience being shredded?
Its called common sense. Most women cringe at bodybuilders and overly shredded bodies with veins everywhere.
If you took a poll, I bet 90% of women would find his physique repulsive.
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Its called common sense. Most women cringe at bodybuilders and overly shredded bodies with veins everywhere.
If you took a poll, I bet 90% of women would find his physique repulsive.
Further displaying a lack of experience.
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Its called common sense. Most women cringe at bodybuilders and overly shredded bodies with veins everywhere.
If you took a poll, I bet 90% of women would find his physique repulsive.
Have you ever actually met a woman?
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Have you ever actually met a woman?
(http://pa1.narvii.com/5755/9181ac1b9391094eb54f34c0ac53cce6e4a715dd_hq.gif)
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(http://pa1.narvii.com/5755/9181ac1b9391094eb54f34c0ac53cce6e4a715dd_hq.gif)
:D
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Shizzo, as I know you respect my opinion I will offer you these counter points
-the post industrial revolution diet is not good for us and the excess lard of a dad bod is more a product of food quality, rather than one eating normally without dieting, in fact the ones who use special diets are too fat
-what is attractive is much a social trend. But none the less, fewer fems have drooled over a beer belly than over a defined stomach
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Further displaying a lack of experience.
:D
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Who would the average woman want to go on a date with? Please cast your vote.
1.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552703.0;attach=583135;image)
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(http://www.lamuscle.com/images/dynamic/1147000651.jpg)
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Who would the average woman want to go on a date with? Please cast your vote.
1.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552703.0;attach=583135;image)
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(http://www.lamuscle.com/images/dynamic/1147000651.jpg)
That picture makes me want to stop eating pizzas and cookies...
Well, both actually, for different reasons. ;D
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No one would choose 1 over 2. Some might say 2 was too much in a vacuum or because it shows the guy is high maintenance or makes the girl feel insecure about her own self.
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Seeing that fat pic of Fo'Shizzo makes me miss Josh. That pic with "Pro Athlete Arm Strengrh" on it had me laughing for days.
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The defense rests it's case. ;D
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Who would the average woman want to go on a date with? Please cast your vote.
1.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552703.0;attach=583135;image)
2.
(http://www.lamuscle.com/images/dynamic/1147000651.jpg)
Sample size of one (my wife) generated gales of laughter. Oddly, she says she needs to "study" that pic of Helmut some more...
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No one would choose 1 over 2. Some might say 2 was too much in a vacuum or because it shows the guy is high maintenance or makes the girl feel insecure about her own self.
But at the end of the day, based on physical appearance alone, most woman would pick 2. :D :D
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That picture makes me want to stop eating pizzas and cookies...
Well, both actually, for different reasons. ;D
I just sent both pics to a woman friend, and said, "Who would you rather go on a date with?"
Her response, "Well, number 2 is WAY too muscular for my liking, but I would definitely choose him over 1 any day of the week!" :D :D
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I just sent both pics to a woman friend, and said, "Who would you rather go on a date with?"
Her response, "Well, number 2 is WAY too muscular for my liking, but I would definitely choose him over 1 any day of the week!" :D :D
;D ;D ;D
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I just sent both pics to a woman friend, and said, "Who would you rather go on a date with?"
Her response, "Well, number 2 is WAY too muscular for my liking, but I would definitely choose him over 1 any day of the week!" :D :D
Thanks for proving my point for me.
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Sample size of one (my wife) generated gales of laughter. Oddly, she says she needs to "study" that pic of Helmut some more...
You never know, your wife may leave you and Helmut for Shizzo.
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;D ;D ;D
I urge all getbiggers to try this experiment. :D :D
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The defense rests it's case. ;D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/2414503136_cb4c2178fa.jpg)
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I just sent both pics to a woman friend, and said, "Who would you rather go on a date with?"
Her response, "Well, number 2 is WAY too muscular for my liking, but I would definitely choose him over 1 any day of the week!" :D :D
I am guessing that she could "reluctantly" get over all that excess muscle on Helmut fairly quickly. The extra 75 pounds of formless lard on Shizzo: not so much.
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Conversation with a woman I am talking to.
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Conversation with a woman I am talking to.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2qi8rwh.png)
:D
I sense a new Getbig meme brewing!
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:D
I sense a new Getbig meme brewing!
I asked a gay colleague the same question. Im awaiting his response. I suspect he will choose Helmut. :) :)
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Unfair, the "bottom" has a epic lean face going on
Blur out the faces and likely they will choose the dad bod
;D
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Unfair, the "bottom" has a epic lean face going on
Blur out the faces and likely they will choose the dad bod
;D
LMAO!!! Yes, clearly, blurring out the faces would have helped!! ;D ;D
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Shizzo abandoning this thread after a thorough anal raping.
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:D
I sense a new Getbig meme brewing!
This is awesome, real world direct proof!
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I asked another woman:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2z6eb6c.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ltfrbl.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gty9ol.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cztz04.jpg)
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I asked another woman:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2z6eb6c.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ltfrbl.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gty9ol.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cztz04.jpg)
Lol ;D
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I asked another woman:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2z6eb6c.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ltfrbl.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gty9ol.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cztz04.jpg)
Gotta love this place! ;D
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Disliked on a bodybuilding forum, classic resume builder.
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I am determined to find ONE woman who prefers Shizzo over Helmut!!
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I asked another woman:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2z6eb6c.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ltfrbl.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gty9ol.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cztz04.jpg)
Pro-level trolling. Establish destruction of dad bod versus Helmut and then administer the coup de grace with your personal dominance over Shizzo. Well played.
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Pro-level trolling. Establish destruction of dad bod versus Helmut and then administer the coup de grace with your personal dominance over Shizzo. Well played.
There is still hope for Shizzo! We must not give up on him.
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hahaha
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hahaha
::)
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::)
Shizzo masking his anger with humor. :-\ :-\
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I wouldn't have originally posted that pic myself, If I actually gave a shit. It's a guy like AJ, who has dedicated half of his life to hardcore training, to barely look like he works out. Seriously, why bother if this is what 20 plus years of lifting gets you:
AJ, you have decent biceps, but every other body part looks almost untrained. You barely have any muscle on you. :-\
(http://i.imgur.com/PrXWGpI.jpg)
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I wouldn't have originally posted that pic myself, If I actually gave a shit. It's a guy like AJ, who has dedicated half of his life to hardcore training, to barely look like he works out. Seriously, why bother if this is what 20 plus years of lifting gets you:
AJ, you have decent biceps, but every other body part looks almost untrained. You barely have any muscle on you. :-\
(http://i.imgur.com/PrXWGpI.jpg)
Poor attempt at trolling, Shizzo.
As much as AJ and I most likely disagree on most issues, as I think hes a deluded gun nutter, he looks 100X better than you, and better than 99.9% of people his age. So, at the end of the day, he looks better than most men his age, and overall, hes probably in good health. Most people 50+ cannot say that.
By default, when it comes to physiques:
AJ > Shizzo
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Poor attempt at trolling, Shizzo.
As much as AJ and I most likely disagree on most issues, as I think hes a deluded gun nutter, he looks 100X better than you, and better than 99.9% of people his age. So, at the end of the day, he looks better than most men his age, and overall, hes probably in good health. Most people 50+ cannot say that.
By default, when it comes to physiques:
AJ > Shizzo
I don't disagree that he looks better than me. It's the paltry results he has accumulated over decades of training, that I am talking about. If you told the average dad bod, that he would look like AJ after 20 years of consistent training (and steroids) he would laugh and say, "Why Bother." AJ clearly has been doing something wrong all of these years.
He honestly has the body of a 20 year old after 1 year of training. Does he look good for a 50 year old? Sure, but not when you consider the amount of time he has spent training and obsessing over working out.
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I don't disagree that he looks better than me. It's the paltry results he has accumulated over decades of training, that I am talking about. If you told the average dad bod, that he would look like AJ after 20 years of consistent training (and steroids) he would laugh and say, "Why Bother." AJ clearly has been doing something wrong all of these years.
He honestly has the body of a 20 year old after 1 year of training. Does he look good for a 50 year old? Sure, but not when you consider the amount of time he has spent training and obsessing over working out.
It's obvious in your physique and words you have no interest in working out, perhaps a fat fucking piece of shit forum is a better fit for you?
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I don't disagree that he looks better than me. It's the paltry results he has accumulated over decades of training, that I am talking about. If you told the average dad bod, that he would look like AJ after 20 years of consistent training (and steroids) he would laugh and say, "Why Bother." AJ clearly has been doing something wrong all of these years.
He honestly has the body of a 20 year old after 1 year of training. Does he look good for a 50 year old? Sure, but not when you consider the amount of time he has spent training and obsessing over working out.
As you age, its inevitable youre going to lose size and shape, unless youre taking HIGH doses. I assume AJ is not. Cant expect for him to look like he did 15-20 years ago.
The question becomes: HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED GOOD PHYSICALLY IN YOUR LIFE??!?!?!?!?!!
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I am going by biology, Wes. Humans were not meant to deplete fat stores to such dangerous levels. It ruins your metabolism, which allows you to become sick much easier.
Leanness/aesthetics do not equal health.
What is your definition of lean? 10-12% looks great and is very very healthy where as 5-6% is not that healthy and you look like a shredded skeleton. I consider the "dad" bod to be 20% and above. Most average guys are really fat, you just can't tell when they wear a baggy tshirt or a sweatshirt. Just hit a water park in the summer and you will see how physically sloppy most humans look. So yes, having a dad bod is that bad IMO.
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It's obvious in your physique and words you have no interest in working out, perhaps a fat fucking piece of shit forum is a better fit for you?
I never said I had no desire to ever workout or get back into shape. I have been in shape, and I work out sporadically. The goal is to stick to a program.
Yes, because you are so lean ::) I remember seeing love handles through your shirt in the most recent pic you posted.
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media term to take focus off of the MOM BOD, which is destroyed by a kid
dads usually are stressed spending all their time working for the ego reproduction dreams of women making it come true with unlimited work even as commies tax you more n regulate u more
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As you age, its inevitable youre going to lose size and shape, unless youre taking HIGH doses. I assume AJ is not. Cant expect for him to look like he did 15-20 years ago.
The question becomes: HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED GOOD PHYSICALLY IN YOUR LIFE??!?!?!?!?!!
After losing 60+ pounds. Pic is from 2011.
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A pic in a sweatshirt 2 sizes too big and the same pants you were 60 pounds heavier......yeah, look great. ::)
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After losing 60+ pounds. Pic is from 2011.
you dont look physically in shape here. You just lost weight. Hardly any muscle.
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A pic in a sweatshirt 2 sizes too big and the same pants you were 60 pounds heavier......yeah, look great. ::)
Lol,......Um that shirt was an x- large, and those pants were a size 34 waist. Did you expect me to wear skinny jeans?
That shirt fit fine.
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you dont look physically in shape here. You just lost weight. Hardly any muscle.
Please. Did I look like a bodybuilder? No. Did I look in athletic shape? Yes.
That's alright. I am going to start Insanity tomorrow anyway. It's time to get into shape.
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Wonder if I fall into the "Dad Bod" category.
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I don't disagree that he looks better than me. It's the paltry results he has accumulated over decades of training, that I am talking about. If you told the average dad bod, that he would look like AJ after 20 years of consistent training (and steroids) he would laugh and say, "Why Bother." AJ clearly has been doing something wrong all of these years.
He honestly has the body of a 20 year old after 1 year of training. Does he look good for a 50 year old? Sure, but not when you consider the amount of time he has spent training and obsessing over working out.
Now I has the sad :'(
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Now I has the sad :'(
You can haz cheeseburger.
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Wonder if I fall into the "Dad Bod" category.
If you have to ask, then you probably do.
However, I'm sure your fat stores have contributed to your overall health. Like I said, in that pic I just posted, my metabolism was fucked from losing so much weight. I remember one instance when I got an upper respiratory infection that made me feel like death. I now attribute that to overtraining, restricted calories, and diminished fats stores.
Basically, my body was rebelling due to shock.
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If you have to ask, then you probably do.
However, I'm sure your fat stores have contributed to your overall health. Like I said, in that pic I just posted, my metabolism was fucked from losing so much weight. I remember one instance when I got an upper respiratory infection that made me feel like death. I now attribute that to overtraining, restricted calories, and diminished fats stores.
Basically, my body was rebelling due to shock.
Can't post recent pic but the body fat is much lower than yours.
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Please. Did I look like a bodybuilder? No. Did I look in athletic shape? Yes.
That's alright. I am going to start Insanity tomorrow anyway. It's time to get into shape.
Actions speak louder than words.
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Actions speak louder than words.
x2
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Please. Did I look like a bodybuilder? No. Did I look in athletic shape? Yes.
That's alright. I am going to start Insanity tomorrow anyway. It's time to get into shape.
Siempre mañana
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552703.0;attach=583135;image)
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After losing 60+ pounds. Pic is from 2011.
wow you have not been very kind to yourself the past few years with the boozing.
You lost 60lbs before and despite what everyone says you looked a hell of alot better in 2011 than now.
Maybe you just need to get back into things and not make excuses
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553660.0;attach=585364;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589535.0;attach=665285;image)
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I am not a bad looking guy, and I am not obese.
A few rounds of Insanity, and I will look better in 6 months than it has taken both Chaos and AJ 20 years of training to obtain.
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wow you have not been very kind to yourself the past few years with the boozing.
You lost 60lbs before and despite what everyone says you looked a hell of alot better in 2011 than now.
Maybe you just need to get back into things and not make excuses
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553660.0;attach=585364;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589535.0;attach=665285;image)
Can't deny that. Time to get down to business.
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I am not a bad looking guy, and I am not obese.
A few rounds of Insanity, and I will look better in 6 months than it has taken both Chaos and AJ 20 years of training to obtain.
11 years on getbig and you finally found the funny. ;D
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I am not a bad looking guy, and I am not obese.
A few rounds of Insanity, and I will look better in 6 months than it has taken both Chaos and AJ 20 years of training to obtain.
so why don't you challenge them to this, with you 3 deciding the prize
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so why don't you challenge them to this, with you 3 deciding the prize
Nah, my prize will be my own self satisfaction and well-being.
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That seems to be a theme.......So should looks and attractiveness to others, outweigh overall health?
It's not healthy to be very lean. I bet most people got sick more often during contest prep, than in the offseason.
"It's not healthy to be very lean" is a statement of your opinion, not fact. I know more than a few people who are very lean and also very healthy.
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Perfect bf-levels from a health-standpoint are 14-18 %. Nothing new about that.
The human body is not meant to be in the "single digits", never was. Most professional atheltes (ATHLETES, not bodybuilders lol) aren't in the single digits.
According to the charts, which are often published by insurance companies, I am obese. I weight 175 lbs. and currently am just under 5'10" tall. I also question the healthiness of having fat levels in the single digits. When I weighed 195 lbs. my fat percentage was measured at 12%. I'm not sure what it is currently. I am healthier than many people regardless of their age. I am far healthier than most other folks who are my age.
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I am going by biology, Wes. Humans were not meant to deplete fat stores to such dangerous levels. It ruins your metabolism, which allows you to become sick much easier.
Leanness/aesthetics do not equal health.
Leanness=Cancer...Fatness=heart disease...Pick your poison...When you're near the end, the weight will have to come off or it's going to be an Ugly ending. Also, you don't ruin your metabolism by being lean. What happens is you age and shit works differently. Almost every other old timer in the gym that was once in great shape but is now a mess say's the same thing---I can't get lean anymore because I fucked up my metabolism---you want to tell them that no you didn't dummy, you got old and your trying to eat the same way expecting the same results...
The older you get, the less food you should be eating. Why? Because you move slower in your day to day activities...Doesn't matter if your on the treadmill doing the same speed and time when you were younger. Your old so your moving slower through out the day when it matters...Why is it that you see old people who are thin and ripped without working out? Because they still move along in their day to day activities in the same pace as when they were young and hover under/over maintenance cals. Many people who think they are still active really are not. Fuckers all try to re-write history. Humans are a sick bunch. Lie about the past and make excuses about the present...
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Car, house, booze, dad belly, nice smile - single moms watch out.
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Nah, my prize will be my own self satisfaction and well-being.
Gotta find it somewhere, since you couldn't get on the mod board. ;D
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I asked another woman:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2z6eb6c.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ltfrbl.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2gty9ol.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2cztz04.jpg)
Solid post SF1900!!
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Solid post SF1900!!
Cut Shizzo some slack, substitute this guy instead of the ripped fella and ask the same questions:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553660.0;attach=585364;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=563575.0;attach=595652;image)
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Cut Shizzo some slack, substitute this guy instead of the ripped fella and ask the same questions:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553660.0;attach=585364;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=563575.0;attach=595652;image)
The problem is that Shizzo is advocating for a "dad bod." So, I took two pics: Shizzo with his "dad bod" and Helmut, with his ripped physique. Its quite clear that most woman prefer the ripped physique over the "dad bod."
Why give Shizzo a break? He never gives anyone else here a break. :-\ :-\
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I give shizzo credit for posting pics.
I was under the impression that "Dad bod" referred to older guys in good shape. That's how the term was used when I first heard it in Tampa last year on the radio.
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Cut Shizzo some slack, substitute this guy instead of the ripped fella and ask the same questions:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=553660.0;attach=585364;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=563575.0;attach=595652;image)
Actually, this is not a fair comparison. One fellow is relatively young and the other is not.
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I give shizzo credit for posting pics.
I was under the impression that "Dad bod" referred to older guys in good shape. That's how the term was used when I first heard it in Tampa last year on the radio.
Does this look like a physique that is in shape for ANY age? ??? ??? ???
(http://cdn-media-2.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2015/06/5802107839_40cf4932fd_o.jpg)
(http://cdn.thejournal.ie/embeds/twitter/cd0d94d4c304e3c684ac1848ef9444e2.png)
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No it`s fine if you want to look like shit for the rest of your life.
Safety Fat Of Peace
I agree !
I can tell ya personally that it's possible to have a lean, muscular body and be quite healthy and functional.
The reason I haven't for the past decade is more to do with my haphazard, piss poor diet.
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First pic looks like the guy is in decent enough shape.
Second pic is carrying a little too much fat.
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Does this look like a physique that is in shape for ANY age? ??? ??? ???
(http://cdn-media-2.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2015/06/5802107839_40cf4932fd_o.jpg)
(http://cdn.thejournal.ie/embeds/twitter/cd0d94d4c304e3c684ac1848ef9444e2.png)
The first fellow looks like most guys who aren't into fitness do. The second dude is headed towards a heart attack in the not too distant future.
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Does this look like a physique that is in shape for ANY age? ??? ??? ???
(http://cdn-media-2.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2015/06/5802107839_40cf4932fd_o.jpg)
(http://cdn.thejournal.ie/embeds/twitter/cd0d94d4c304e3c684ac1848ef9444e2.png)
Dude, you have a skewed perception as to what constitutes someone being grossly out of shape.
These two guys aren't fat at all, and their bodyfat% and weight would not be impacting their health at all.
Just because someone isn't jacked with abs, doesn't mean that they aren't healthy, actually many times its guys like these who are healthier than people with extremely low bodyfat, who will do anything to look good in a selfie.
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Dude, you have a skewed perception as to what constitutes someone being grossly out of shape.
These two guys aren't fat at all, and their bodyfat% and weight would not be impacting their health at all.
Just because someone isn't jacked with abs, doesn't mean that they aren't healthy, actually many times its guys like these who are healthier than people with extremely low bodyfat, who will do anything to look good in a selfie.
Something you got from a legit source or opinion?
Everything I've read about excess abdominal fat in men is contrary to what you've posted.
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Something you got from a legit source or opinion?
Everything I've read about excess abdominal fat in men is contrary to what you've posted.
Just his own mirror.
This threads primary purpose appears to be 'fat enabling' for Shizzo
Or just plain trolling.
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Something you got from a legit source or opinion?
Everything I've read about excess abdominal fat in men is contrary to what you've posted.
Excess abdominal fat? You can't be serious. These guys are a month's diet away from having abs.
They look untrained, but they are not fat.
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Just his own mirror.
This threads primary purpose appears to be 'fat enabling' for Shizzo
Or just plain trolling.
The point of this thread was to point out that is perfectly ok/healthy (I know it's not the goal for most here) to have some bodyfat.
Do you honestly think that someone with 15-20% bodyfat will suffer dire health problems simply because of that? You guys are just so used to seeing people going to extremes, that you seemed to have forgot what a normal body looks like.
I am in the process of getting back into shape, so I am obviously not against working out and eating healthy. The point of this thread was to highlight that the people who take dieting, drug use, and overtraining to the extreme, are actually doing the opposite of being healthy.
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Excess abdominal fat? You can't be serious. These guys are a month's diet away from having abs.
They look untrained, but they are not fat.
Extra fat around the gut means extra fat around the organs. Not trying to be a dick but you really should look some shit up before formulating an opinion.
Everyone thinks dieting for a few weeks is going to work magic. It's a lifestyle thing and it takes a while before losing visible fat/weight loss actually affects health.
Not trying to change your mind or educate. That's your responsibility.. :)
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The point of this thread was to point out that is perfectly ok/healthy (I know it's not the goal for most here) to have some bodyfat.
Do you honestly think that someone with 15-20% bodyfat will suffer dire health problems simply because of that? You guys are just so used to seeing people going to extremes, that you seemed to have forgot what a normal body looks like.
I am in the process of getting back into shape, so I am obviously not against working out and eating healthy. The point of this thread was to highlight that the people who take dieting, drug use, and overtraining to the extreme, are actually doing the opposite of being healthy.
Can you cite something please?
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Extra fat around the gut means extra fat around the organs. Not trying to be a dick but you really should look some shit up before formulating an opinion.
Everyone thinks dieting for a few weeks is going to work magic. It's a lifestyle thing and it takes a while before losing visible fat/weight loss actually affects health.
Not trying to change your mind or educate. That's your responsibility.. :)
What do define as extra fat around the gut? I was referring specifically to the pics of the two gentleman from a few posts up. You are deluded if you think those guys are unhealthy from having too much fat.
I agree that eating healthy and exercising should be a lifestyle, rather than a phase or quick fix.
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Can you cite something please?
Its called common sense. 15% bodyfat isnt fat.
Moderate fat stores help aid in a properly working metabolism and immune system.
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Just his own mirror.
This threads primary purpose appears to be 'fat enabling' for Shizzo
Or just plain trolling.
This. Also, Shizzo stating that those guys are "a month away" from abs shows how little he actually knows about having abs.
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Its called common sense. 15% bodyfat isnt fat.
Moderate fat stores help aid in a properly working metabolism and immune system.
You think the second guy in the 2 recent pictures is 15%?
And you think we have warped perceptions?
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What do define as extra fat around the gut? I was referring specifically to the pics of the two gentleman from a few posts up. You are deluded if you think those guys are unhealthy from having too much fat.
I agree that eating healthy and exercising should be a lifestyle, rather than a phase or quick fix.
Shizzo, Drkaje is in medical school (or close to finished). You're nowhere near close to that. He knows more about the human body than you.
Please just shut up.
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This. Also, Shizzo stating that those guys are "a month away" from abs shows how little he actually knows about having abs.
I thought that was blatant trolling. Nobody can be that ignorant, surely?
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Dude, you have a skewed perception as to what constitutes someone being grossly out of shape.
These two guys aren't fat at all, and their bodyfat% and weight would not be impacting their health at all.
Just because someone isn't jacked with abs, doesn't mean that they aren't healthy, actually many times its guys like these who are healthier than people with extremely low bodyfat, who will do anything to look good in a selfie.
Dude, you have a skewed perception as to what constitutes someone being grossly out of shape.
I never said they were grossly out of shape. But they are definitely NOT in shape, either.
These two guys aren't fat at all, and their bodyfat% and weight would not be impacting their health at all.
How do you know what their bodyfat is?
How do you know its not impacting their health?
Evidence?
Just because someone isn't jacked with abs, doesn't mean that they aren't healthy, actually many times its guys like these who are healthier than people with extremely low bodyfat, who will do anything to look good in a selfie.
Evidence? Or are you just going to throw around claims with no evidence to back it up? :-\ :-\
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Shizzo, Drkaje is in medical school (or close to finished). You're nowhere near close to that. He knows more about the human body than you.
Please just shut up.
I agree. No sense arguing with people who cant comprehend that being in single digits (bodyfat wise) does not affect someone's metabolism and immune systems, and that being shredded isnt as healthy as is perceived by outward appearances.
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I agree. No sense arguing with people who cant comprehend that being in single digits (bodyfat wise) does not affect someone's metabolism and immune systems, and that being shredded isnt as healthy as is perceived by outward appearances.
Yes, please tell us how you know more about the human body than Dr. Kaje. :D :D
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Having a dad bod means giving oneself more to their family and less time on themselves and typing on GetBig. But you could get a pretty good body just by doing a quick workout, having some milk, toast, protein drink, chicken...you now the CSWOL Workout plan.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What do define as extra fat around the gut? I was referring specifically to the pics of the two gentleman from a few posts up. You are deluded if you think those guys are unhealthy from having too much fat.
I agree that eating healthy and exercising should be a lifestyle, rather than a phase or quick fix.
Below is my BMI. Compared to the photos of you and those two other fellows, I'm am very fit. I even have abs showing through my 70 year old skin. I just measured my waist. It is 32". You will notice that according to the BMI calculator, I am overweight. Have you checked your BMI? Here is the link where you can check it, http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm
(http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm)
Waist Circumference
Measuring waist circumference helps screen for possible health risks that come with overweight and obesity. If most of your fat is around your waist rather than at your hips, you’re at a higher risk for heart disease and type 2 diabetes. This risk goes up with a waist size that is greater than 35 inches for women or greater than 40 inches for men. To correctly measure your waist, stand and place a tape measure around your middle, just above your hipbones. Measure your waist just after you breathe out.
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Solid post SF1900!!
lol. funny shit
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Extra fat around the gut means extra fat around the organs. Not trying to be a dick but you really should look some shit up before formulating an opinion.
Everyone thinks dieting for a few weeks is going to work magic. It's a lifestyle thing and it takes a while before losing visible fat/weight loss actually affects health.
Not trying to change your mind or educate. That's your responsibility.. :)
100% spot on...Just because the World is getting fatter as a whole it doesn't change what is fat and what is not. We are just getting use to seeing fat people as the norm.
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Seth Rogan in 2005 in 40 year old virgin was considered the fat out of shape bastard. That was 10 years ago. Now guys his size are the normal ones. But make no mistake. If they were unhealthy in 2005, they're still unhealthy today regardless of what the Doctors are telling society...
2005 Seth Rogan in white shirt
(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/judd-apatow-director-and-seth-rogen-during-31st-american-film-of-picture-id183527867)
(http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh586/TheDailyLike/40yearoldvirgin-waxlaugh.gif)
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lol. funny shit
I like to think that shizzo is attempting to troll us. I suspect he is.
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I like to think that shizzo is attempting to troll us. I suspect he is.
An unusual troll methodology.....makes himself look like a complete douchebag for a few pages of posts
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An unusual troll methodology.....makes himself look like a complete douchebag for a few pages of posts
LOL!!
Yes, but we all know on getbig, the bigger douche you come off as, the more responses you get!
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LOL!!
Yes, but we all know on getbig, the bigger douche you come off as, the more responses you get!
If that was the case the U.K. board and The Lounge would have 300 page threads.
Shizzo has really started out 2016 with a gravitational pull type suck on all his posts
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LOL!!
Yes, but we all know on getbig, the bigger douche you come off as, the more responses you get!
If you don't have any self-esteem, that's a win!
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If you don't have any self-esteem, that's a win!
In other words, its a win for Shizzo.
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10 pages easy.
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We need to get back to what this thread is all about: texting attractive females pics of Mr. Dad Bod and Helmut and asking them to choose. Waller, what say your woman?
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We need to get back to what this thread is all about: texting attractive females pics of Mr. Dad Bod and Helmut and asking them to choose. Waller, what say your woman?
I am going to ask another one now.
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I am just glad I was able to drop some knowledge on you guys. I enjoy helping people learn new things.
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We need to get back to what this thread is all about: texting attractive females pics of Mr. Dad Bod and Helmut and asking them to choose. Waller, what say your woman?
She's asleep. :(
And as much as she finds getbig funny when I relay, I doubt she thinks it worth a wake up call. Especially to look at Shizzo.
I'll try to get an official statement tomorrow. ;D
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She's asleep. :(
And as much as she finds getbig funny when I relay, I doubt she thinks it worth a wake up call. Especially to look at Shizzo.
I'll try to get an official statement tomorrow. ;D
The statement has to be in writing, then posted on getbig. We need official statements, in order to confirm your womans opinion.
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The statement has to be in writing, then posted on getbig. We need official statements, in order to confirm your womans opinion.
Maybe I should have it notarised too, for prosperity.
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Shizzo, there is hope for you. You just need 10 million dollars.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/mmse9t.png)
(http://i64.tinypic.com/jufo6t.png)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2cse7gk.png)
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If you don't have any self-esteem, that's a win!
Some would say Shizzo's low self esteem is just good judgment
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Some would say Shizzo's low self esteem is just good judgment
Hahahaha.
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Glad I could entertain you guys :D
You won't be laughing when I get into single digit bodyfat. Unfortunately, neither will I. I will probably be sick with a wacked-out metabolism and impaired immune system.
But if I survive, it will be worth it to prove all of you wrong.
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Some would say Shizzo's low self esteem is just good judgment
No question about it. I always consult him before I get married to make sure she's the right one.
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Shizzo,
I don't know you at all and I've only been here for about a year. But you've posted your out of shape pics already, so why not start training seriously and get your diet in order and do a 6 month transformation with lots of progress pics! Pick a local show and give it a shot. It's not a difficult process and you could shut down all the haters here. Your thread would be a hundred page epic one.
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Glad I could entertain you guys :D
You won't be laughing when I get into single digit bodyfat. Unfortunately, neither will I. I will probably be sick with a wacked-out metabolism and impaired immune system.
But if I survive, it will be worth it to prove all of you wrong.
Maybe we can set up a race?
You accomplishing accurately measured single digit bodyfat versus Wiggs completing an accredited nursing degree.
Or.....all of us dying of old age before either happens.
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Shizzo,
I don't know you at all and I've only been here for about a year. But you've posted your out of shape pics already, so why not start training seriously and get your diet in order and do a 6 month transformation with lots of progress pics! Pick a local show and give it a shot. It's not a difficult process and you could shut down all the haters here. Your thread would be a hundred page epic one.
I started working out today, so I expect to see some great results after 6 months.
Forget competing. Competing against my willpower will be a formidable enough opponent, I don't need to cover myself in shoe polish and sport a banana hammock to prove I can get into good shape.
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Maybe we can set up a race?
You accomplishing accurately measured single digit bodyfat versus Wiggs completing an accredited nursing degree.
Or.....all of us dying of old age before either happens.
Maybe Wiggs would be able to care for me, if I were to become ill during the journey to epic leans?
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I started working out today, so I expect to see some great results after 6 months.
Forget competing. Competing against my willpower will be a formidable enough opponent, I don't need to cover myself in shoe polish and sport a banana hammock to prove I can get into good shape.
We need a before and after shot of this magic "insanity" 6 month transformation. I am sure it'll rival or surpass the Method101 dramatic transformation.
I'll bet you don't make it a month before you pussy out.
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We need a before and after shot of this magic "insanity" 6 month transformation. I am sure it'll rival or surpass the Method101 dramatic transformation.
I'll bet you don't make it a month before you pussy out.
Don't worry, we can use the famous albino manatee pic as the before shot. The "after" shot will look better than you.
How would it feel to know you wasted 20+ years training, only to be passed up by me in 6 months?
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Don't worry, we can use the famous albino manatee pic as the before shot. The "after" shot will look better than you.
How would it feel to know you wasted 20+ years training, only to be passed up by me in 6 months?
I'll let you know when it happens. Which it won't.
And it's been 30+ years for me.
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I'll let you know when it happens. Which it won't.
And it's been 30+ years for me.
Even worse. 30 years to have the physique of a college, Dominos pizza delivery driver.
I admit that I don't look good, but I also admit that I don't workout or eat healthy either.
You have trained for 30+ years, take steroids, and literally obsess about working out.
You are flat as a pancake and have barely any muscle to show for it.
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I'm done with the talking. I will unveil my physique on August 6th.
Be There.
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I'm done with the talking. I will unveil my physique on August 6th.
Be There.
Hi Method101
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Even worse. 30 years to have the physique of a college, Dominos pizza delivery driver.
I admit that I don't look good, but I also admit that I don't workout or eat healthy either.
You have trained for 30+ years, take steroids, and literally obsess about working out.
You are flat as a pancake and have barely any muscle to show for it.
So, then why are you on a bodybuilding forum?
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I started working out today, so I expect to see some great results after 6 months.
Forget competing. Competing against my willpower will be a formidable enough opponent, I don't need to cover myself in shoe polish and sport a banana hammock to prove I can get into good shape.
The Avesher 6-month attention whore ploy
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Is the bodybuilding and fitness lifestyle really healthy? Do calorie restrictions and sub 10% bodyfat levels, really promote wellness as a human being? Remember, we are still mammals. Our metabolisms were designed to carry some "safety fat", in case of starvation. Obviously, I do not advocate being a fat ass, because that also isn't healthy.
This thread is about the guys/gals who take fitness to the extreme. Sorry, but it isn't any healthier than being obese, they are just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I have been sick the most, when I have been at my leanest. Having a reasonable amount of fat on your body is healthy.
Of course that goes against what most fitness/bodybuilders strive for.
Hahahaha. You fat fuck, I guarantee you have never been less than 25%.
Delusional
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So, then why are you on a bodybuilding forum?
I started working out today. Plus I have been here since 2004, retard. Obviously I am no stranger to training.
Remember the pic from 2011? The one where I could be mistaken for a Nautica model? Shit happens in life, but that has all changed.
I am going to shift a laser-like focus into getting in shape.
On August 6th, Ron won't be able to deny this handsome stud a mod spot on the G&O.
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Hahahaha. You fat fuck, I guarantee you have never been less than 25%.
Delusional
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I started working out today. Plus I have been here since 2004, retard. Obviously I am no stranger to training.
Remember the pic from 2011? The one where I could be mistaken for a Nautica model? Shit happens in life, but that has all changed.
I am going to shift a laser-like focus into getting in shape.
On August 6th, Ron won't be able to deny this handsome stud a mod spot on the G&O.
Seriously, I really don't think there has ever been a time where you worked out. I don't even remember you ever being in decent shape. And you've posted lots of pics.
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Seriously, I really don't think there has ever been a time where you worked out. I don't even remember you ever being in decent shape. And you've posted lots of pics.
Which is funny since you have never posted any.
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Which is funny since you have never posted any.
The difference is this:
Ive never made claims about my body. I never stated that I looked good, nor did I ever state that I can bench press X amount of weight. I have made no claims, so I have nothing to prove by posting a pic.
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Looks like he's already got Navy Mike's unkempt front yard, now all he needs is the physique and an oversized head and some awful paragraph tattoos.
#mypersonalinsanity
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The difference is this:
Ive never made claims about my body. I never stated that I looked good, nor did I ever state that I can bench press X amount of weight. I have made no claims, so I have nothing to prove by posting a pic.
Neither have I. I just speak my mind, while simultaneously putting myself out there.
You are obviously under no obligation to post a pic, but you must realize that there is a difference.
I put a face to what I say, which does stand for something.
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Neither have I. I just speak my mind, while simultaneously putting myself out there.
You are obviously under no obligation to post a pic, but you must realize that there is a difference.
I put a face to what I say, which does stand for something.
lol. you have made enough claims about your so called "exercise regimen" "your new diet" and "I will post a pic" etc, etc.
Further, posting a pic of your face or body on a bodybuilding forum is not really a big accomplishment lol. I love when people talk this up, as if its some great thing.
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lol. you have made enough claims about your so called "exercise regimen" "your new diet" and "I will post a pic" etc, etc.
Further, posting a pic of your face or body on a bodybuilding forum is not really a big accomplishment lol. I love when people talk this up, as if its some great thing.
Ok, but someone commented earlier that you admitted to not being in shape, not to mention that you are known to be a borderline midget. So are you lashing out on others about your own insecurities?
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Ok, but someone commented earlier that you admitted to not being in shape, not to mention that you are known to be a borderline midget. So are you lashing out on others about your own insecurities?
Seems like someone is getting their panties in a bunch. :D :D Odd, considering you always told Junior that he takes this forum way too seriously. :D :D :D
Step away from the computer, Shizzo. Take a deep breath.
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Seems like someone is getting their panties in a bunch. :D :D Odd, considering you always told Junior that he takes this forum way too seriously. :D :D :D
Step away from the computer, Shizzo. Take a deep breath.
I'm fine, but the time for talking is over. We will see in 6 months. For reference purposes, I am currently between 250-254 pounds.
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I'm fine, but the time for talking is over. We will see in 6 months. For reference purposes, I am currently between 250-254 pounds.
The boy who cried wolf.
We shall see.
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You were not lean. If anything you were just normal built.
I bet you still couldn't pull ass to save your life, even with your gay teenager car.
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in defense of shizzo, there's more to health than triglyceride levels. health should be measured by what you accomplish with your life, ultimately.
my doctor thought i was in good health based on my bmi (::)) and blood tests, which were, to most, astoundingly good. in reality, i was a muscular anorexic, borderline suicidal, and doing damage that would take months (if not longer -- still dont know) to recover from.
after refeeding, my physique was, by most standards, excellent. yet i was bulimic and barely better, mentally.
not to say im a typical case, but i have a feeling that lots of you guys are trashing shizzo based on your dislike of his character. he's not any "more" wrong than some of you, and i have no doubt that some of you haven't any more experience to stand on than he does.
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Even worse. 30 years to have the physique of a college, Dominos pizza delivery driver.
I admit that I don't look good, but I also admit that I don't workout or eat healthy either.
You have trained for 30+ years, take steroids, and literally obsess about working out.
You are flat as a pancake and have barely any muscle to show for it.
Meltdown.
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Hope to see Shitso on Olympia stage with Goodrum and Bassile. :)
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I asked another woman:
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:D ;D
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Obviously I am no stranger to training.
Well then training is a stranger to you.
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One page of rebuttals was all that was necessary for this thread.
Shizz wins again. :(
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In defense of SF1900,I have seen his pics.........big guy, in great shape.
Chaos has seen him in person and they fought each other barbarian style over a turkey drumstick if I recall correctly! :D
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In defense of SF1900,I have seen his pics.........big guy, in great shape.
Chaos has seen him in person and they fought each other barbarian style over a turkey drumstick if I recall correctly! :D
Would love to be that turkey drumstick.
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;D
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related topic, has anyone actually seen helmut in real life before? I used to see him at a gym I used to go to in London. Extremely impressive, with a lot of lean muscle. No bloof or whatever. Probably the leanest, driest guy I've ever seen in real life. And he's like that year round (in the close to 1 year I was at the same gym as him. Never ever saw him out of shape. He's also 6'3, so the pictures don't do him justice. Definitely a head turner (no homo)
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related topic, has anyone actually seen helmut in real life before? I used to see him at a gym I used to go to in London. Extremely impressive, with a lot of lean muscle. No bloof or whatever. Probably the leanest, driest guy I've ever seen in real life. And he's like that year round (in the close to 1 year I was at the same gym as him. Never ever saw him out of shape. He's also 6'3, so the pictures don't do him justice. Definitely a head turner (no homo)
Just by proxy for having met him, you're now more desirable than Shizzo.
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Just by proxy for having met him, you're now more desirable than Shizzo.
Setting the bar very, very low....
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related topic, has anyone actually seen helmut in real life before? I used to see him at a gym I used to go to in London. Extremely impressive, with a lot of lean muscle. No bloof or whatever. Probably the leanest, driest guy I've ever seen in real life. And he's like that year round (in the close to 1 year I was at the same gym as him. Never ever saw him out of shape. He's also 6'3, so the pictures don't do him justice. Definitely a head turner (no homo)
Clearly, a 6-3 man with loads of dry muscle on an impressive frame would be "disgusting" to most women. Empirical evidence proves that Shizzo's round softness is vastly more sexy. Fact!
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Clearly, a 6-3 man with loads of dry muscle on an impressive frame would be "disgusting" to most women. Empirical evidence proves that Shizzo's round softness is vastly more sexy. Fact!
This is true; my lady said she'd rather put on a strap-on and go to town on Shiz than the muscle man.
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This is true; my lady said she'd rather put on a strap-on and go to town on Shiz than the muscle man.
"lady"
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Would love to be that turkey drumstick.
Yes, this is all true. It was epic!
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"lady"
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12 pgs, Shitso is happy.
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12 pgs, Shitso is happy.
But we've had fun and laughs. So, so are we.
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Shizzo, there is hope for you. You just need 10 million dollars.
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lmfao...This is some funny shit. Can you do a Shizzo picture with a Piana picture. That should be interesting...
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lmfao...This is some funny shit. Can you do a Shizzo picture with a Piana picture. That should be interesting...
haha lol!! I will see what I can do!! ;D ;D
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This thread is laughable and full of excuses to get fat. I am below 10% bodyfat year around and it never affects my health at all. I have a fast metabolism and don't have to eat chicken and broccoli every meal to stay below 10% either.
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This thread is laughable and full of excuses to get fat. I am below 10% bodyfat year around and it never affects my health at all. I have a fast metabolism and don't have to eat chicken and broccoli every meal to stay below 10% either.
pictures or it didn't happen.
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Take almost any manual worker from the 1920's, living on 3 square meals per day and just see how much 'safety' fat they have
Take a tribesman living in a tropical jungle and check his 'safety' fat
Your just a fat lazy cun.t, sooner you come to terms with this the better
Very defensive answer, are you afraid he's right?
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haha lol!! I will see what I can do!! ;D ;D
Dunno. Helmut was good because Shizzo flatly asserted that women would never be attracted to Helmut because of his low body fat. It's good to get a read from actual women rather than Shizzo's info, that comes from his imaginary conversations with women that like his soft white blobby body.
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pictures or it didn't happen.
That's right, Noodles.
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That's right, Noodles.
LOL, depending on which post you read, he's either twisted steel or a pre-diabetic fatass.
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Dunno. Helmut was good because Shizzo flatly asserted that women would never be attracted to Helmut because of his low body fat. It's good to get a read from actual women rather than Shizzo's info, that comes from his imaginary conversations with women that like his soft white blobby body.
Yeah, but comparing Shizzo to Piani will be epic, because we will see if women will still pick Piani, who looks atrocious. :D :D
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Yeah, but comparing Shizzo to Piani will be epic, because we will see if women will still pick Piani, who looks atrocious. :D :D
The thing is that Shizzo thinks he's more attractive the Helmut. We should go the other way and start comparing Shizzo to O'Hearn.
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The thing is that Shizzo thinks he's more attractive the Helmut. We should go the other way and start comparing Shizzo to O'Hearn.
I bet shizzo thinks hes better looking than O'Hearn. :D
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I bet shizzo thinks hes better looking than O'Hearn. :D
It's a closer contest, ohearn and Shitso.
Both bald shut-ins, living in delusions.
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in defense of shizzo, there's more to health than triglyceride levels. health should be measured by what you accomplish with your life, ultimately.
my doctor thought i was in good health based on my bmi (::)) and blood tests, which were, to most, astoundingly good. in reality, i was a muscular anorexic, borderline suicidal, and doing damage that would take months (if not longer -- still dont know) to recover from.
after refeeding, my physique was, by most standards, excellent. yet i was bulimic and barely better, mentally.
not to say im a typical case, but i have a feeling that lots of you guys are trashing shizzo based on your dislike of his character. he's not any "more" wrong than some of you, and i have no doubt that some of you haven't any more experience to stand on than he does.
Just cause you were anorexic doesn't mean Shizzo isn't a fat shit.
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This is true; my lady said she'd rather put on a strap-on and go to town on Shiz than the muscle man.
No pics, please. :)
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LOL, depending on which post you read, he's either twisted steel or a pre-diabetic fatass.
I'm 205 but not a fatass even at this weight, my abs are partially visible and my waist is 36", when I get down to 175 I will be very lean.
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I am finding it hard to believe that there isn't a single woman that would prefer El Shizzbazz to Helmut. It's like this whole "dad bod" thing was a complete lie to allow fucking fatasses to feel good about being fucking fatasses.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=587622.0;attach=660464)
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Why start a war with Russia?
Reason # 1 : Disliked on a bodybuildingforum :D
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Hahahaha. You fat fuck, I guarantee you have never been less than 25%.
Delusional
He had a low fat-percentage here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589535.0;attach=665476;image)
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He had a low fat-percentage here
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=589535.0;attach=665476;image)
Given he has a low muscle mass I'd day his bf% wasn't amazingly low.
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Given he has a low muscle mass I'd day his bf% wasn't amazingly low.
Not amazingly, but he sure was below 25 % there, which visualperfection didn't believe could happen.
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I am busy silencing the haters one workout at a time. In a few short months, I will be grating cheese across my abs, and cracking walnuts between my forearms and biceps.
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I am busy silencing the haters one workout at a time. In a few short months, I will be grating cheese across my abs, and cracking walnuts between my forearms and biceps.
Hopefully cracking hazelnuts between your glutes/buttcheeks as well! (No homo even though it sounded a bit suspect)
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I have one of those stupid scales that gives a bodyfat and water percentages. Problem is it goes all crazy depending upon your level of hydration. I have a difficult time staying hydrated and it's ranged from 43-12.3% in a day.
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Shizzo looks far more handsome in this lardass photo where he is actually smiling, he normally tries to look "serious" and badass in photos and just looks like a pathetic turd.
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Hopefully cracking hazelnuts between your glutes/buttcheeks as well! (No homo even though it sounded a bit suspect)
That was full-on homo, Kwon_du.
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Think Shizzo overshot Dad bod to Hobo bod.
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Think Shizzo overshot Dad bod to Hobo bod.
At least he wouldn't go to such lengths as Goodrum and overshot to Homo bod.
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Is the bodybuilding and fitness lifestyle really healthy? Do calorie restrictions and sub 10% bodyfat levels, really promote wellness as a human being? Remember, we are still mammals. Our metabolisms were designed to carry some "safety fat", in case of starvation. Obviously, I do not advocate being a fat ass, because that also isn't healthy.
This thread is about the guys/gals who take fitness to the extreme. Sorry, but it isn't any healthier than being obese, they are just on opposite ends of the spectrum.
I have been sick the most, when I have been at my leanest. Having a reasonable amount of fat on your body is healthy.
Of course that goes against what most fitness/bodybuilders strive for.
we dont exist in a time where 'safety fat" is required, unless you're in danger of starving during your 8 hr a day office job.
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we dont exist in a time where 'safety fat" is required, unless you're in danger of starving during your 8 hr a day office job.
Safetyfat is very much required achmed, especially when you are fighting in the Colosseum, or going to war like Admiral Mike did in his personal hell.
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Shizzo looks far more handsome in this lardass photo where he is actually smiling, he normally tries to look "serious" and badass in photos and just looks like a pathetic turd.
He looks like Uncle Fester...
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He looks like Uncle Fester...
You are simply festering.
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I have one of those stupid scales that gives a bodyfat and water percentages. Problem is it goes all crazy depending upon your level of hydration. I have a difficult time staying hydrated and it's ranged from 43-12.3% in a day.
I always use mine in the morning. It seems to be the most accurate then.
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I remember my 350z....same color btw
yeah---it was fun driving it in THE FUCKING winter in the northeast
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I remember my 350z....same color btw
yeah---it was fun driving it in THE FUCKING winter in the northeast
Where the fuck have you been? Rehab?
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He looks like Uncle Fester...
Yes but looks far less punchable than he does here.
Trying to look like a badass while wearing blusher
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Yes but looks far less punchable than he does here.
Trying to look like a badass while wearing blusher
Hes just trying to express his feminine side.
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I remember my 350z....same color btw
yeah---it was fun driving it in THE FUCKING winter in the northeast
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I am busy silencing the haters one workout at a time. In a few short months, I will be grating cheese across my abs, and cracking walnuts between my forearms and biceps.
Strange that you would aspire to achieve such, as you profess to believe that you would be weaker, sicker and less attractive to women.
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Dad bod is fine IF that's what your tired metabolism dictates. However, to specifically AIM for such a pathetic alternative is completely unacceptable, and should always be viewed with the most detestable shame and pity it deserves.
Post-40, we should all strive for Daniel Craig rocking boxerbriefs in the Bahamas.
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Where the fuck have you been? Rehab?
just away
and "away" doesn't mean "rehab" or "Jail" lol
seriously, though.....don't buy a 350z IN DECEMBER IF YOU LIVE IN THE NORTHEAST
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Dad bod is fine IF that's what your tired metabolism and aging muscular response dictates. However, to specifically AIM for such a sad, doughie alternative is such a complete, pathetic surrender it should be viewed with nothing less than the most detestable shame and pity.
Post-40, we should all strive for Daniel Craig rocking the boxerbriefs in the Bahamas.
Just read that response to my wife, who nodded so vigorously, I thought she would wrench her neck. You do well channelling the thought processes of the "over-50 1%"
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Just read that response to my wife, who nodded so vigorously, I thought she would wrench her neck. You do well channelling the thought processes of the "over-50 1%"
Fit-minded folk, common sense, really.
No?
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Fit-minded folk, common sense, really.
No?
I sorta freaked out the PT at my gym when he asked me my goals. Men my age usually mention "health" and "general fitness" and "not dying"
I said, "muscle, lots of it"
He proclaimed that I was his hero.
EDIT: NO HOMO.
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I sorta freaked out the PT at my gym when he asked me my goals. Men my age usually mention "health" and "general fitness" and "not dying"
I said, "muscle, lots of it"
He proclaimed that I was his hero.
Would have been awkward if he misinterpreted that and took his shirt off right then and there.
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Would have been awkward if he misinterpreted that did took his shirt off right then and there.
He might actually play for the other team, but he's a cool dude.
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Would have been awkward if he misinterpreted that did took his shirt off right then and there.
Sounds like the first minute of a porno.
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Sounds like the first minute of a porno.
Hmmm, you two have convinced me. Retroactive no-homo edit of peace.
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Sorry, Shizz, but these are the kinda posts that illustrate your absolute ignorance of weight training. To the extent that you truly disrespect long, good standing, lifelong lifters on this board.
Lifting/training/bodybuilding has NEVER been about where you ultimately end up musclewise x years later. But your posts make it painfully clear you couldn't possibly understand this. Lifting HAS ALWAYS been about doing/feeling better that day, that week, that month.
These guys - aj, chaos, and everyone else you disrespect with your misguided critiques - they don't train for how they will measure up thirty years from day one; no one does. The fact that you suggest this simply belies your utter obliviousness to what training is really about. These guys LOOK and FEEL better every single time they enter the gym and progress even the slightest bit, which is obviously beyond you by your own admission. Lotsa balls cutting 'em down for such pettiness, pal.
Do you have any idea how amazing these guys felt/feel after every attained micro/macro - strength, size, conditioning, whathaveyou? How could you, right? The magic of bodybuilding is that you're succeeding in some way EVERY SINGLE TIME you train. And we/they feel said accomplishments daily; we see it on the scale, in the mirror, at the end of a set, etc. - How on earth do you think we maintain the passion?
Bodybuilding has always been a workout by workout endeavor, and each session offers results encouraging enough that we continue to pursue. Again, you make it blatantly obvious that you've never put in the time or effort to hardly grasp what we share here in that regard. aj, chaos, and so many other have looked and felt like a million bucks day-in-and-day-out for YEARS (what you fail to comprehend) specifically as a result of the training that you so casually dismiss as pointless.
Friend, you haven't the slightest clue: IT'S ABOUT THE LIFTING. THE PROGRESS, HOWEVER SLIGHT. THE PASSION TO FOLLOW UP THE NEXT DAY. They've felt better every single day of their training years than you've ever felt in your whole life - precisely because of the weights. Please, sir, don't criticize what you can't possibly understand.
Just to clarify, not at all intending to bash Shizzo just for the sake of it (not my style, Shaun, we're usually fine), but this shit is SO out of line on a bodybuilding site, especially when you admittedly refuse to partake. Won't say you owe them an apology, but it'd certainly be big of you.
Passionate meltdown.
First, glad to have you back, and hope that you are feeling better.
Second, an apology? It aint that serious my friend. I dont have any issues with Chaos, AJ, or anyone else here. They give me shit, I give them shit, and then we are all supposed to laugh about it.
Third, this thread wasnt to support people being fatasses, or settling for anything. I was simply trying to state that having some extra bodyfat (gave pic as examples) isnt the health concern some of you may think it is. I also pointed out that may be less healthy to diet to extreme bodyfat levels, and overtrain.
Lastly, I absolutely respect people who embrace fitness as a lifestyle, as long as they don't overdue things to the detriment of their health. By the way, I started training and eating healthier this week, so I am not just blowing hot air. I plan tp walk the walk, one workout at a time (touche)
Again, glad to have you back.
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Just read that response to my wife, who nodded so vigorously, I thought she would wrench her neck. You do well channelling the thought processes of the "over-50 1%"
At the pic of Graig ;D ???
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At the pic of Graig ;D ???
Yes, she very much appreciated the pic of Craig too, of course.
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Passionate meltdown.
First, glad to have you back, and hope that you are feeling better.
Second, an apology? It aint that serious my friend. I dont have any issues with Chaos, AJ, or anyone else here. They give me shit, I give them shit, and then we are all supposed to laugh about it.
Third, this thread wasnt to support people being fatasses, or settling for anything. I was simply trying to state that having some extra bodyfat (gave pic as examples) isnt the health concern some of you may think it is. I also pointed out that may be less healthy to diet to extreme bodyfat levels, and overtrain.
Lastly, I absolutely respect people who embrace fitness as a lifestyle, as long as they don't overdue things to the detriment of their health. By the way, I started training and eating healthier this week, so I am not just blowing hot air. I plan tp walk the walk, one workout at a time (touche)
Again, glad to have you back.
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
And a backdown too.
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Hmmm, you two have convinced me. Retroactive no-homo edit of peace.
Join a new gym, wear a go pro headcam.
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I started working out today. Plus I have been here since 2004, retard. Obviously I am no stranger to training.
Remember the pic from 2011? The one where I could be mistaken for a Nautica model? Shit happens in life, but that has all changed.
I am going to shift a laser-like focus into getting in shape.
On August 6th, Ron won't be able to deny this handsome stud a mod spot on the G&O.
Get after it son!! ;D Glad to hear you're motivated. You've been watching that alcohol consumption and now you're gettin after it in the gym....good on ya!!
I've been doing the same. Shedding some years of laziness and getting my course righted. I've dropped 30lbs, strength has picked up, but have a bunch to go.
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Get after it son!! ;D Glad to hear you're motivated. You've been watching that alcohol consumption and now you're gettin after it in the gym....good on ya!!
I've been doing the same. Shedding some years of laziness and getting my course righted. I've dropped 30lbs, strength has picked up, but have a bunch to go.
Awesome. Yeah its time .
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I said, "muscle, lots of it"
He proclaimed that I was his homo.
EDIT: NO HOMO.
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I sorta freaked out the homo at my gym when he asked me my dicksize. Men my orientation usually mention "hunk musk" and "mind anus connection" and "anal intrusion"
I said, "rimjobs, lots of it"
He proclaimed that I was his homo.
EDIT: NO HOMO.
:o
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me personally looking like shit pretty much would be one of the worst controlable things possible, but i do enjoy a thick woman thats borderline fat now and then .
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Passionate meltdown.
First, glad to have you back, and hope that you are feeling better.
Second, an apology? It aint that serious my friend. I dont have any issues with Chaos, AJ, or anyone else here. They give me shit, I give them shit, and then we are all supposed to laugh about it.
Third, this thread wasnt to support people being fatasses, or settling for anything. I was simply trying to state that having some extra bodyfat (gave pic as examples) isnt the health concern some of you may think it is. I also pointed out that may be less healthy to diet to extreme bodyfat levels, and overtrain.
Lastly, I absolutely respect people who embrace fitness as a lifestyle, as long as they don't overdue things to the detriment of their health. By the way, I started training and eating healthier this week, so I am not just blowing hot air. I plan tp walk the walk, one workout at a time (touche)
Again, glad to have you back.
I didn't quote any of the 'Dad Bod' stuff, only your posts addressing the time and effort these folks 'wasted' in the gym all those years. Point being, anyone who thinks in such terms clearly doesn't understand the workout/fitness/bodybuilder lifestyle.
The workout itself is often the reward, and all those years feeling fantastic, whether or not you ever attain photoshoot condition. The three posts I quoted show you're completely in the dark here, or simply (and quite possibly) trolling. If so, please disregard.
Only double-posted because one of these threads had an additional insult I missed. Not aiming for added drama, I'll delete the other.
"Why would anyone train all those years just to look like that at 45/50/60?" is a question no serious lifter would ever think to ask (lifers, I mean, not these idiotic, chemically-saturated deathwishers).
FYI: Elvis wasn't just a fat, dead junkie on a toilet. Still, all the best with your new program.
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Dad Bod / Pic of Graig of Peace
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Jesus had a ripped bod. He dieted for 40 days, and died for you bitches. It's not vanity, you're supposed to take care of your temple. So, F the dad bod.
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Am I the only one who (in retrospect) thinks this thread was an excuse for Jizzo to post pics of men?
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Am I the only one who (in retrospect) thinks this thread was an excuse for Jizzo to post pics of men?
Nice catch.
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Still rocking the dad bod. Not getting ill, due to a low immune system and low bodyfat levels.
Mammals were meant to carry safety fat.
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Still rocking the dad bod. Not getting ill, due to a low immune system and low bodyfat levels.
Mammals were meant to carry safety fat.
I think you messed up your risk assessment...
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Still rocking the dad bod. Not getting ill, due to a low immune system and low bodyfat levels.
Mammals were meant to carry safety fat.
A little extra body fat over muscle, yes.
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The ONLY clinical data on contributing to determining length of life that is valid is - staying lean and within your BMI for your height. This will make you most likely to live longer. Whether being muscular or not wasn't determined, in that BMI average to low-average range is most healthy. I would assume being in shape and having better cardiovascular and muscular endurance in that BMI with a good diet would be more healthy towards longevity than not. But there was no concurring data on the differences.
So SHITZO, you would still be unhealthy because you're overweight on the BMI scale. You need to lose weight and then be skinny fat instead of just fat.
Then you can shape your argument that being skinny fat isn't any less healthy than being muscular within the average BMI. If you're gonna shape an argument to make yourself feel better about not lifting and being a lazy piece of shit, at least make it somewhat logical.
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The ONLY clinical data on contributing to determining length of life that is valid is - staying lean and within your BMI for your height. This will make you most likely to live longer. Whether being muscular or not wasn't determined, in that BMI average to low-average range is most healthy. I would assume being in shape and having better cardiovascular and muscular endurance in that BMI with a good diet would be more healthy towards longevity than not. But there was no concurring data on the differences.
So SHITZO, you would still be unhealthy because you're overweight on the BMI scale. You need to lose weight and then be skinny fat instead of just fat.
Then you can shape your argument that being skinny fat isn't any less healthy than being muscular within the average BMI. If you're gonna shape an argument to make yourself feel better about not lifting and being a lazy piece of shit, at least make it somewhat logical.
Meltdown.
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Fellas, lets not get into an uproar here. You can still lift, carry muscle, and have healthy, moderate fat stores.
I feel this gentleman's physique describes the above best.
(http://feastoffun.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/dadbod-thu-MAY2015-300x227.jpg)
This isn't a "dad bod"
This is a guy who has been lifting regularly and eating healthy for years and has probably trained for over 30 years and is in good shape. This is good shape not a dad bod. He's just not on a bunch of hormones. I'm done here though
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This isn't a "dad bod"
This is a guy who has been lifting regularly and eating healthy for years and has probably trained for over 30 years and is in good shape. This is good shape not a dad bod. He's just not on a bunch of hormones. I'm done here though
That's about what I looks like, minus the fur.
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It's a good build.
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This isn't a "dad bod"
This is a guy who has been lifting regularly and eating healthy for years and has probably trained for over 30 years and is in good shape. This is good shape not a dad bod. He's just not on a bunch of hormones. I'm done here though
Correct.
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This isn't a "dad bod"
This is a guy who has been lifting regularly and eating healthy for years and has probably trained for over 30 years and is in good shape. This is good shape not a dad bod. He's just not on a bunch of hormones. I'm done here though
Upper spectrum dad bod. It's also about body fat %.
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is the dad bod a bad thing? no - as long you are healthy
it is a bad thing if you post on a bodybuilding forum, takes supps, go to the gym all the time - then you suck at being fit -
the dad bod is common for middle aged america
in late 30s/40s - the subject test levels have dropped
sits in an office (cubical farm) eats all the time
married/his wife isnt an ifbb figure pro - prolly someone who wears flats, like all things american orders fast food, movie popcorn erc
has 2 kids - when you have kids they eat junk food and its easy to snack on etc
so the dad is just what an all american male looks like - its their life - is it bad? no
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I'm about 9% without having to diet and I have a better immune system, more energy and stamina than others with a higher bf. It only gets unhealthy when you use drugs and starvation to get down to the lowest possible body fat.
You're not walking around at 9% year long considering contest lean is 5-7%. Nearly everyone is full of shit with body fat levels and almost no one knows what is their percentage.
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Dicaprio sporting a healthy dad bod.
(http://wp-ag.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/66/2015/05/Dad-Bod-Leonardo-DiCaprio.jpg)
I like you use the word healthy, considering he might actually be in fine health considering although he is not particularly lean or muscular, he is NOT fat in that picture.
There is NOTHING inherently healthy about being very lean despite being healthy at that leanness; that is being very lean doesn't mean someone is very healthy because of such leanness.
The same goes for high volumes of training. A guy training like a bodybuilding madman is not inherently healthier than some guy training modestly, say three weight sessions a week and other activities like cardio, recreational games, walking, working with hands, etc.
And finally the same goes for exercise selection. Seemingly every damn meathead or trainer implies or explicitly states how damn good barbell exercises are for the body. But sorry, there's nothing inherently healthy about squatting, deadlifts, rowing, and bench pressing. For sure, one can be healthy while doing these exercises, but one is not inherently functional, better, or healthier for doing them compared to a guy who does dumbbell, machine, and bodyweight exercises.
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cancer doesnt care about your type of body...
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Look at guys like George Clooney, girls love that guy, yes he handsome (no homo) but if I was a guy not into building muscle, then this would be the type of look to shoot for, just a normal body, not fat, not skinny, not muscular, just a regular body that looks good in classic clothing and a well groomed hair style. Thats a good dad bod.
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being ultra low bodyfat at a pool party.....
the only people who came up to me....other dudes - "damn bro" you are cut etc
schmoes
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Having a dad bod is every attractive to women. Especially if you own bitcoins. :)
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being ultra low bodyfat at a pool party.....
the only people who came up to me....other dudes - "damn bro" you are cut apart from your legs....etc
schmoes
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