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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Pet Board => Topic started by: Deicide on March 08, 2008, 07:55:09 PM
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Discuss...
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Bad.
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Bad.
Can you elaborate?
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Can you elaborate?
Exactly how prevelent is this in these countries you talk of? Very common? Not very common?
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Exactly how prevelent is this in these countries you talk of? Very common? Not very common?
I can take a bus and in 25 minutes I will be within a 5 minutes walk of a restaurant that specialises in dog meat.
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Objectively speaking, the life of a dog is not worth more than that of a pig or a cow. What about monkeys, as eaten in Africa?
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In Europe, there's a similar controversy regarding horse meat (not sure about the US). I've eaten horse meat a few times, and I can't say that it challenges my conscience more than beef or pork.
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In Europe, there's a similar controversy regarding horse meat (not sure about the US). I've eaten horse meat a few times, and I can't say that it challenges my conscience more than beef or pork.
I fucking love horse meat. Great quality protein and mad lean...
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First off they dont kill any animals humanely, and dogs arent meant for eating.
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Don't trust anyone that grew up eating meat that is also a house pet.
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First off they dont kill any animals humanely, and dogs arent meant for eating.
Dogs aren't meant for eating? By whose standards?
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The cultures that eat dog meat have no standards as to humane treatment for the animal. Yes, there are flaws and problems within the US slaughtering industry, but their are rules and inspections and an attempt to be humane. In cultures that eat dogs they have no standards as far as treatment in raising and killing and in fact it is common practice to make the slaughter as painful as possible and the animal to suffer as long as possible because they believe the meat will taste better.
There is no reason to be intentionally cruel and barbaric to ANY animal raised for food. And that they do it to an animal that has been domesticated over the years to be "man's best friend" just makes it more heinous.
I have said this before, cultures can have their differences, but some things are just WRONG and standing behind "culture" does not make it right.
The Olympics being held in China should be boycotted because of the attrocities China is known for in it's treatment of animals as well as it's people, and all the recalls because of lead paint on children's toys and lethal ingredients they have put into products and shipped.
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dont hate me but i have tried dog meat, snake and almost all the great variety of animals available at some nice restaurants in china and i must say dog meat is great!
Whats the difference of eating dog, horse, cow, etc meat? I dont see any cruelty
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dont hate me but i have tried dog meat, snake and almost all the great variety of animals available at some nice restaurants in china and i must say dog meat is great!
Whats the difference of eating dog, horse, cow, etc meat? I dont see any cruelty
Are you reading the posts? They beat the dogs till they are half dead then skin them alive. They throw live cats into boiling water. A person will go and pick out a dog to take home for dinner and the person will beat it til it is just barely alive and the person will take it home suffering.
That is cruel. They are barbaric in both how they raise them and how they slaughter them.
You want to eat dog, fine, I can't say from just using it as a source of meat that it is wrong, what IS WRONG is what I have just explained. ANy any culture that supports that is fucked as a people.
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Are you reading the posts? They beat the dogs till they are half dead then skin them alive. They throw live cats into boiling water. A person will go and pick out a dog to take home for dinner and the person will beat it til it is just barely alive and the person will take it home suffering.
That is cruel. They are barbaric in both how they raise them and how they slaughter them.
You want to eat dog, fine, I can't say from just using it as a source of meat that it is wrong, what IS WRONG is what I have just explained. ANy any culture that supports that is fucked as a people.
Yes i am reading the posts and i know what you mean because i still remember the face of the little puppy i ate (he was like please man dont pick me). The thing is, why do you think its cruel? Killing animals no matter how is cruel BUT life sucks and you know that, and you cant really do anything to stop it.
ps: dog meat with sechuan pepper is as great as cow meat.
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Yes i am reading the posts and i know what you mean because i still remember the face of the little puppy i ate (he was like please man dont pick me). The thing is, why do you think its cruel? Killing animals no matter how is cruel BUT life sucks and you know that, and you cant really do anything to stop it.
ps: dog meat with sechuan pepper is as great as cow meat.
So who cares if one method is crueler and more inhumane? Why have to use the cruelest method?
I think it is cruel to beat an animal to death or near death and then start readying it to eat when it possibility is still alive. There are ways to make the killing more humane and as quick as possible for the animal.
Maybe I can't stop it, but I can make people aware of it. And I would never promote or have anything to do with that, unlike you who gave it a reason to continue instead of saying something and asking the vendor why he has to be such an unfeeling sadistic bastard and can't slaughter humanely?
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So who cares if one method is crueler and more inhumane? Why have to use the cruelest method?
I think it is cruel to beat an animal to death or near death and then start readying it to eat when it possibility is still alive. There are ways to make the killing more humane and as quick as possible for the animal.
Maybe I can't stop it, but I can make people aware of it. And I would never promote or have anything to do with that, unlike you who gave it a reason to continue instead of saying something and asking the vendor why he has to be such an unfeeling sadistic bastard and can't slaughter humanely?
Its cruel no doubt, especially when it comes about dogs. To be honest i thought about telling the chinese man to kill the dog (the first time i tried it) very quick but i do respect their culture, they dont ENJOY killing them, its just food, people pay for it.
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Its cruel no doubt, especially when it comes about dogs. To be honest i thought about telling the chinese man to kill the dog (the first time i tried it) very quick but i do respect their culture, they dont ENJOY killing them, its just food, people pay for it.
You can't hide behind culture to practice cruelty. They DO enjoy it because they have their fucked up old beliefs the meat will taste better if the animal is in pain. They don't have to beat the animal half to death. They CHOSE to.
I cannot respect culture that is blatantly WRONG. That is not culture, that is an excuse to continue to be barbaric. Or is it in their ethnic genes to be unfeeling assholes? Perhaps they can blame it on genetics instead of changing there ways.
And you in partaking in that and not having the balls to say something are just as bad. You were paying for a meal, why didn't you insist on the preperation of that meal? Instead you are just as bad. Not because you chose to eat dog meat, but because you had a chance to save an animal some suffering and did nothing.
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You can't hide behind culture to practice cruelty. They DO enjoy it because they have their fucked up old beliefs the meat will taste better if the animal is in pain. They don't have to beat the animal half to death. They CHOSE to.
I cannot respect culture that is blatantly WRONG. That is not culture, that is an excuse to continue to be barbaric. Or is it in their ethnic genes to be unfeeling assholes? Perhaps they can blame it on genetics instead of changing there ways.
And you in partaking in that and not having the balls to say something are just as bad. You were paying for a meal, why didn't you insist on the preperation of that meal? Instead you are just as bad. Not because you chose to eat dog meat, but because you had a chance to save an animal some suffering and did nothing.
Not having the balls...what? I enjoy everytime i go there and chose my dog, its the only place in the world where im able to chose a dog, and decide his faith. Call me barbaric, cruel, whatever, but i didnt kill any! They offer you that, you can accept or deny, i accepted it because i like to try new things.
Im sorry but i dont see anything bad with it, and you know what? it cost like 5 bucks.
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Not having the balls...what? I enjoy everytime i go there and chose my dog, its the only place in the world where im able to chose a dog, and decide his faith. Call me barbaric, cruel, whatever, but i didnt kill any! They offer you that, you can accept or deny, i accepted it because i like to try new things.
Im sorry but i dont see anything bad with it, and you know what? it cost like 5 bucks.
You don't see anything bad with it? So it was okay that they beat the animal most likely til it was just barely alive, then started skinning and cooking it (probably while it was still alive) when they could of humanely killed the animal and you still could of tried dog meat?
You didn't do the killing but you chose the animal to suffer that horrific torture and by your own admission considered asking the man to kill it fast but chose not to. So YES you are guilty of having no balls.
Justify it anyway you want so you can feel better, but you are guilty, not because you chose to eat dog meat, but because you chose to eat dog meat knowing how it was going to suffer when it died and not insisting it be done humanely. You have a problem.
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You don't see anything bad with it? So it was okay that they beat the animal most likely til it was just barely alive, then started skinning and cooking it (probably while it was still alive) when they could of humanely killed the animal and you still could of tried dog meat?
You didn't do the killing but you chose the animal to suffer that horrific torture and by your own admission considered asking the man to kill it fast but chose not to. So YES you are guilty of having no balls.
Justify it anyway you want so you can feel better, but you are guilty, not because you chose to eat dog meat, but because you chose to eat dog meat knowing how it was going to suffer when it died and not insisting it be done humanely. You have a problem.
I take it you don't eat whale meat either?
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I take it you don't eat whale meat either?
Why would I? Another vile "industry" along with the shark finners and the Chinese and others who collect bile from bears.
Asian 'culture' as a generality is fucked up.
And Deicide, you are proving to be one weird guy, :-\
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Why would I? Another vile "industry" along with the shark finners and the Chinese and others who collect bile from bears.
Asian 'culture' as a generality is fucked up.
And Deicide, you are proving to be one weird guy, :-\
Weird? How so?
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Why would I? Another vile "industry" along with the shark finners and the Chinese and others who collect bile from bears.
Asian 'culture' as a generality is fucked up.
And Deicide, you are proving to be one weird guy, :-\
I am curious Flower. I respect your passion for dogs and animals.
Why do you choose to live in a country that commits war crimes, human atrocities and has supported, tacitly genocide? Why do you pay tax dollars to fuel such activities?
You came down hard on the guy who tried dog meat because of the way they are treated. Don't you feel guilty for living off the blood and plunder your government commits?
Just curious and as I am essentially neutral on all these issues I am not judging.
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You don't see anything bad with it? So it was okay that they beat the animal most likely til it was just barely alive, then started skinning and cooking it (probably while it was still alive) when they could of humanely killed the animal and you still could of tried dog meat?
You didn't do the killing but you chose the animal to suffer that horrific torture and by your own admission considered asking the man to kill it fast but chose not to. So YES you are guilty of having no balls.
Justify it anyway you want so you can feel better, but you are guilty, not because you chose to eat dog meat, but because you chose to eat dog meat knowing how it was going to suffer when it died and not insisting it be done humanely. You have a problem.
ehh im sure you do have the balls to kill little kids @ middle east, thats not cruel for sure ;)
My crime: eat dog meat
Your: Pay taxes that kill little kids @ middle east
We both are animals, nothing will stop it.
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ehh im sure you do have the balls to kill little kids @ middle east, thats not cruel for sure ;)
My crime: eat dog meat
Your: Pay taxes that kill little kids @ middle east
We both are animals, nothing will stop it.
That was my point. We humans are scum. There is no point is getting upset about people killing dogs when one engages is like behaviour which brings about far worse atrocities. Live and let live...we are animals; I work with children and I see it every day.
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ehh im sure you do have the balls to kill little kids @ middle east, thats not cruel for sure ;)
My crime: eat dog meat
Your: Pay taxes that kill little kids @ middle east
We both are animals, nothing will stop it.
yeah........
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193061.0;attach=225424;image)
you're a real animal !
;D
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ehh im sure you do have the balls to kill little kids @ middle east, thats not cruel for sure ;)
My crime: eat dog meat
Your: Pay taxes that kill little kids @ middle east
We both are animals, nothing will stop it.
You really are a moron.
Your "crime" is not that you eat dog meat, it is the you eat meat where the animal is deliberately made to suffer. If you came back and said they don't use inhumane methods to kill the animal and they try to make it as quick as possible and conditions have greatly improved for the animals then I would say I still personally don't like dogs as food but can't argue if others chose to eat them.
I do not pay my taxes with them earmarked to kill little kids.
Not the same.
Try and follow along with the conversation and stick with the points made instead of twisting and ignoring some points to make it look like something else was said.
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That was my point. We humans are scum. There is no point is getting upset about people killing dogs when one engages is like behaviour which brings about far worse atrocities. Live and let live...we are animals; I work with children and I see it every day.
Humans are scum because we think we can decide what deserves attention and what should just be ignored.
You don't think watching family members burn the fur of living animals or skin them alive doesn't affect the children into having less of a respect for life?
Respect for all living things begins in the home, THAT is why humans are the most fucked up animal of all, because respect and compassion is not taught in too many cases.
But take that who cares it's only an animal attitude and see if the human situation improves any time soon. ::)
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yeah........
you're a real animal !
;D
HAHA are you the 50 years old man that used to "touch" his little nephew? disgusting
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You really are a moron.
Your "crime" is not that you eat dog meat, it is the you eat meat where the animal is deliberately made to suffer. If you came back and said they don't use inhumane methods to kill the animal and they try to make it as quick as possible and conditions have greatly improved for the animals then I would say I still personally don't like dogs as food but can't argue if others chose to eat them.
I do not pay my taxes with them earmarked to kill little kids.
Not the same.
Try and follow along with the conversation and stick with the points made instead of twisting and ignoring some points to make it look like something else was said.
Sorry but its a fact your taxes are helping to kill little kids, am i a moron for telling you the truth? Im sticking to this convo but it seems only your reasoning is valid here.
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Sorry but its a fact your taxes are helping to kill little kids, am i a moron for telling you the truth? Im sticking to this convo but it seems only your reasoning is valid here.
yes you are a moron, actually you are an asshole.
By law I have to pay taxes, I am not paying a "kill little kids" tax. I am paying taxes that cover a whole bunch of things, and yes, probably the war is part of them.
How does that compare to you actually paying for something that you know is blatantly cruelty and that is not necessary? Something you could refuse to pay for?
If they itemized where my taxes are going and there was a portion that said " to help kill little kids" I would refuse to pay that portion.
so nice try, but very very weak
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yes you are a moron, actually you are an asshole.
By law I have to pay taxes, I am not paying a "kill little kids" tax. I am paying taxes that cover a whole bunch of things, and yes, probably the war is part of them.
How does that compare to you actually paying for something that you know is blatantly cruelty and that is not necessary? Something you could refuse to pay for?
If they itemized where my taxes are going and there was a portion that said " to help kill little kids" I would refuse to pay that portion.
so nice try, but very very weak
So your law is acceptable, but not the asian law? Im gonna tell ya something, i have 2 german shepperds, they are awesome, good friends, good guardians, i would never beat them unless its really really necessary. They are lucky, this is not asia, as i said before, i cant blame/change anything, nor you. Asians in general are cool, you cant really blame them for being different than you.
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If your dogs ended up attacking you....killing you in the process.....
I will try & adopt them & feed them with the best money can provide.
;D
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If your dogs ended up attacking you....killing you in the process.....
I will try & adopt them & feed them with the best money can provide.
;D
i feed them with eukanuba from monday to friday, and meat on weekends ;D
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So your law is acceptable, but not the asian law? Im gonna tell ya something, i have 2 german shepperds, they are awesome, good friends, good guardians, i would never beat them unless its really really necessary. They are lucky, this is not asia, as i said before, i cant blame/change anything, nor you. Asians in general are cool, you cant really blame them for being different than you.
You are comparing things you can't compare.
I can blame anyone, no matter what race, color, cultural background, etc, for intentionally inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on any living creature. They can not stand beyond "culture" and continue that practice of making an animal suffer on the stupid notion it will taste better. I don't blame or judge them for eating dog or cat, I judge them for how they raise and slaughter them for food.
WRONG IS WRONG.
But if a country can knowingly send children's toys with led paint, and tainted food items to the US, I suppose how could I expect any compassion or decency from that culture?
I know every Asian is not a "bad" person, but as a general if Asian countries disappeared, good riddance.
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yeah........
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205077.0;attach=239328;image)
you're a real animal !
;D
What are you saying geo?
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You are comparing things you can't compare.
I can blame anyone, no matter what race, color, cultural background, etc, for intentionally inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on any living creature. They can not stand beyond "culture" and continue that practice of making an animal suffer on the stupid notion it will taste better. I don't blame or judge them for eating dog or cat, I judge them for how they raise and slaughter them for food. WRONG IS WRONG.
But if a country can knowingly send children's toys with led paint, and tainted food items to the US, I suppose how could I expect any compassion or decency from that culture?
I know every Asian is not a "bad" person, but as a general if Asian countries disappeared, good riddance.
I agree wholeheartedly ~flower~
I find it terribly sad that it's an accepted part of someone's culture , to say "respected" is even more repulsive.
When a "culture" practises such vile acts it says to me they have failed to become civilised or even evolved into a humane being.
To kill an animal for food is first not necessary , we could all be vegan and live our lives fine.
It's a twisted individual who behaves like these foreigners and inflicts pain for any type of reward.
reward=better taste
that's an incomprehensible thought process for any rational person
To go to one of those places and allow yourself to "stoop" to that level shows lack of self respect and little or no value of life.
I cannot agree that it's a show of respect to do as they do while you're there.
I find it more of a thrill of some type to be able to say you did it .
For the ones who feel like it's acceptable , I'd like to know one thing ?
where is the line . . the one you won't cross due to your own set of values ?
I'd rather be a lone voice in a strange land standing firmly for what's right , than be a follower and say I respect their culture. :-\
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I think it's quite easy: if you are against killing animals, become a vegetarian. Of course you will still be killing animals everyday, just smaller ones (bugs etc.). No doubt that the killing should be done as quickly as possible, but let's be honest, no animal likes to be killed, quickly or not.
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I think it's quite easy: if you are against killing animals, become a vegetarian. Of course you will still be killing animals everyday, just smaller ones (bugs etc.). No doubt that the killing should be done as quickly as possible, but let's be honest, no animal likes to be killed, quickly or not.
exactly
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typical response with ignoring of the points made, boring
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Hardly. There is a very good analogy.
I chose to leave the USA many years ago in large part because I found the government's imperialistic activities, among other things disgusting.
Propping up military dictators, supporting coups leading to genocide, brutal murder; sanctions which starve people to death, bullying other countries with its military might.
People who live in the USA all benefit from this; I chose not to. You have a choice if it really bothers you. I don't live there and I wouldn't want to for exactly the reasons cited above.
No one is forcing you to live in the USA and that is just the living part. You can withhold your taxes, after all the American system is largely one of taxation without representation; a good portion of your taxes goes to fuel illegal wars and assassinate people whom the CIA doesn't like. You could withhold your taxes and that would be very patriotic.
If you don't see any analogy I believe you are willfully ignoring it and/or don't want to see it.
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un-believable ::)
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I chose to leave the USA many years ago
ok "drama boy" !
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You are comparing things you can't compare.
I can blame anyone, no matter what race, color, cultural background, etc, for intentionally inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on any living creature. They can not stand beyond "culture" and continue that practice of making an animal suffer on the stupid notion it will taste better. I don't blame or judge them for eating dog or cat, I judge them for how they raise and slaughter them for food.
WRONG IS WRONG.
But if a country can knowingly send children's toys with led paint, and tainted food items to the US, I suppose how could I expect any compassion or decency from that culture?
I know every Asian is not a "bad" person, but as a general if Asian countries disappeared, good riddance.
I am curious. You obviously have spent a good deal of time in 'Asian' countries (there being very, many of them) to make such sweeping generalisations. I am stunned you would make such a statement. You know that not every Asian country is the same and many or their historical contributions to civilisation have been indespensable. Have you ever even visited an Asian country?
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ok "drama boy" !
You don't even have an argument here. Pretty lame.
When you have an argument, come back. ::)
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You don't even have an argument here. Pretty lame.
When you have an argument, come back. ::)
why would I bother arguing with a dog eating "fish head" !
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Hardly. There is a very good analogy.
I chose to leave the USA many years ago in large part because I found the government's imperialistic activities, among other things disgusting.
First of all...I would like to thank you for leaving
Propping up military dictators, supporting coups leading to genocide, brutal murder; sanctions which starve people to death, bullying other countries with its military might.
People who live in the USA all benefit from this; I chose not to. You have a choice if it really bothers you. I don't live there and I wouldn't want to for exactly the reasons cited above.
No one is forcing you to live in the USA and that is just the living part. You can withhold your taxes, after all the American system is largely one of taxation without representation; a good portion of your taxes goes to fuel illegal wars and assassinate people whom the CIA doesn't like. You could withhold your taxes and that would be very patriotic.
If you don't see any analogy I believe you are willfully ignoring it and/or don't want to see it.
Any of this above I have no problem with.....so I guess that I am staying here forever
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The cultures that eat dog meat have no standards as to humane treatment for the animal. Yes, there are flaws and problems within the US slaughtering industry, but their are rules and inspections and an attempt to be humane. In cultures that eat dogs they have no standards as far as treatment in raising and killing and in fact it is common practice to make the slaughter as painful as possible and the animal to suffer as long as possible because they believe the meat will taste better.
That's certainly not the case in Thailand. In the North East, my brother in law has a business where he exchanges plastic items for unwanted dogs. He goes from city to city with a pick-up full of dog cages & plastic buckets etc.
He gets about $5 per dog, the dogs are killed pretty much in the same way as a chicken - by being decapitated. Whilst it is a harrowing sight for a dog-lover such as myself, it's no worse a fate than any farm animal being killed.
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why would I bother arguing with a dog eating "fish head" !
I have never eaten dog. Why are you making up lies about me?
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I am curious. You obviously have spent a good deal of time in 'Asian' countries (there being very, many of them) to make such sweeping generalisations. I am stunned you would make such a statement. You know that not every Asian country is the same and many or their historical contributions to civilisation have been indespensable. Have you ever even visited an Asian country?
no, because their blatant acceptnace of cruel behaviors makes me say FUCK YOU to wanting to visit them.
you got a bunch of typos there mr "teacher", I am stunned ::)
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First of all...I would like to thank you for leaving
Any of this above I have no problem with.....so I guess that I am staying here forever
Yes. I remember. You are the one that values a dog's life over a human being's life so it doesn't surprise me at all.
I have never eaten dog meat before.
You are a pretty disgusting person; I suspect your dogs have greater moral character than you do.
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no, because their blatant acceptnace of cruel behaviors makes me say FUCK YOU to wanting to visit them.
you got a bunch of typos there mr "teacher", I am stunned ::)
Haha. Where are my typos?
This should be good. ;D
And remember that the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, South Africa, Canada and India have different spelling standards. They do not use the 'z' and instead use the 's'. Example: American realize vs. everywhere else realise or 'generalization' vs. generalisation...I think you just got caught with your foot in your mouth by dint of your ignorance and that statement you made prior about 'Asian' countries, as if they all formed some sort of monolith was virulently ignorant and chauvinistic.
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I am curious. You obviously have spent a good deal of time in 'Asian' countries (there being very, many of them) to make such sweeping generalisations. I am stunned you would make such a statement. You know that not every Asian country is the same and many or their historical contributions to civilisation have been indespensable. Have you ever even visited an Asian country?
generalisations civilisation indespensable ::)
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Yes. I remember. You are the one that values a dog's life over a human being's life so it doesn't surprise me at all.
I have never eaten dog meat before.
You are a pretty disgusting person; I suspect your dogs have greater moral character than you do.
I have no problem holding my dog's life over yours
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Haha. Where are my typos?
This should be good. ;D
And remember that the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, South Africa, Canada and India have different spelling standards. They do not use the 'z' and instead use the 's'. Example: American realize vs. everywhere else realise or 'generalization' vs. generalisation...I think you just got caught with your foot in your mouth by dint of your ignorance and that statement you made prior about 'Asian' countries, as if they all formed some sort of monolith was virulently ignorant and chauvinistic.
Asian countries suck and are full of assholes, both native born and not
;D
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generalisations civilisation indespensable ::)
See above post about orthographic variation.
Indispensable is a legimitate error and I thank you for pointing it out.
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Asian countries suck and are full of assholes, both native born and not
;D
You are showing yourself to be quite the racist and chauvinist on this. I don't even think most of your friends here at getbig could agree with you on such statements.
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See above post about orthographic variation.
Indispensable is a legimitate error and I thank you for pointing it out.
Not to butt in but do you really need the comma between very and many? Legit question.
Also I could be wrong but I think you meant to say of when you said or in your 2nd to last sentence.
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I have no problem holding my dog's life over yours
Or a four year old child's life for that matter.
How about a good friend's life vs. a dog's life? Wait, I already know the answer.
I have a legitimate question for you: why do the activities of the US government not bother you in the least?
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You are showing yourself to be quite the racist and chauvinist on this. I don't even think most of your friends here at getbig could agree with you on such statements.
I don't like chinks either
they all smell like fish & have bad breath
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You are showing yourself to be quite the racist and chauvinist on this. I don't even think most of your friends here at getbig could agree with you on such statements.
I think they would agree that cultures that believe blatant unnecessary animal cruelty is okay are fucked up.
A lot of those places don't treat their own people any better so I guess I really shouldn't expect much.
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See above post about orthographic variation.
Indispensable is a legimitate error and I thank you for pointing it out.
GetBig is an American board, so speak it or go ching chang chung somewhere else.
;D
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Or a four year old child's life for that matter.
How about a good friend's life vs. a dog's life? Wait, I already know the answer.
I have a legitimate question for you: why do the activities of the US government not bother you in the least?
Because I support all of the US Government....good or bad.
Because I believe the United States of America is the best place in the world to live.
Because we are given a right to disagree....so I choose not too.
We can all sit here & complain about shit....or make a decision. For that, I am glad you made the decision to leave.
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Not to butt in but do you really need the comma between very and many? Legit question.
Also I could be wrong but I think you meant to say of when you said or in your 2nd to last sentence.
Yes. I didn't see that. Or should be of.
The comma is ok because it reflects a pause in the speaker's breath and is being used for emphasis.
BTW, do you, Stella, stand by Flower's sweeping generalisations and racist/chauvinistic comments on 'Asian' countries?
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Because I support all of the US Government....good or bad.
Because I believe the United States of America is the best place in the world to live.
Because we are given a right to disagree....so I choose not too.
We can all sit here & complain about shit....or make a decision. For that, I am glad you made the decision to leave.
I just bet you love the Bush regime. What is the point of blind loyalty to the government? That was exactly what the founding fathers DID NOT want us to do.
What is the reason why you believe the USA is the best place to believe? Where is the evidence? Have you ever even left the country?
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I just bet you love the Bush regime. What is the point of blind loyalty to the government? That was exactly what the founding fathers DID NOT want us to do.
I would reread the Declaration of Independence again....chimp
You're interpretation is comical
What is the reason why you believe the USA is the best place to believe? Where is the evidence? Have you ever even left the country?
Yup....been all over the world. There's alot of nice places...but not one place I would rather call home than the USA.
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BTW, do you, Stella, stand by Flower's sweeping generalisations and racist/chauvinistic comments on 'Asian' countries?
I haven't read this whole thread closely so I may have missed that. I think what she is saying is people who believe unnecessary animal cruelty is okay are warped in the brain and yes, I agree with that.
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See above post about orthographic variation.
Indispensable is a legimitate error and I thank you for pointing it out.
what language is 'legimitate' ::)
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I haven't read this whole thread closely so I may have missed that. I think what she is saying is people who believe unnecessary animal cruelty is okay are warped in the brain and yes, I agree with that.
yes STella, that is what I was saying.
That was too simple for some of the 'brains' here to comprehend so now taxes, war and the government have been brought in.
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I haven't read this whole thread closely so I may have missed that. I think what she is saying is people who believe unnecessary animal cruelty is okay are warped in the brain and yes, I agree with that.
Do you agree with the part where she says it would be okay if Asian countries simply disappeared off the map?
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I just bet you love the Bush regime. What is the point of blind loyalty to the government? That was exactly what the founding fathers DID NOT want us to do.
What is the reason why you believe the USA is the best place to believe? Where is the evidence? Have you ever even left the country?
you decided to not be one of US , or have I misread something ?
my reason is called freedom , the evidence is you being able to leave and then complain but still be welcomed back , and yes I have left the country
for a vacation and like Dorothy says , " There's no place like home "
I haven't read this whole thread closely so I may have missed that. I think what she is saying is people who believe unnecessary animal cruelty is okay are warped in the brain and yes, I agree with that.
me too
yes STella, that is what I was saying.
That was too simple for some of the 'brains' here to comprehend so now taxes, war and the government have been brought in.
when all else fails , change the focus little by little , if that doesn't work then change the topic , when that fails , type in a foreign language
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you decided to not be one of US , or have I misread something ?
my reason is called freedom , the evidence is you being able to leave and then complain but still be welcomed back , and yes I have left the country
for a vacation and like Dorothy says , " There's no place like home "
me too
when all else fails , change the focus little by little , if that doesn't work then change the topic , when that fails , type in a foreign language
She said it would be good if Asian countries simply disappeared. That includes, India, Japan, Thailand, Indonesia, Tibet, etc. That is a sweeping statement.
I never changed the focus, the point was to create an analogy. That's all. You like the Bush/Cheney regime? I assume you are not a very politically active person but I also assume you do know what the CIA and government does all round the world?
What the hell does typing in a foreign language have to do with anything here?! ???
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What the hell does typing in a foreign language have to do with anything here?! ???
what the hell does eating dogs have to do with American politics ?
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what the hell does eating dogs have to do with American politics ?
Well, the gentleman who ate the dog meat was accused of doing something irresponsible and I am saying if you live in the United States you shoulder actively try to change policies (at the very least) or leave the country because of the immoral actions of the government. Flower does not strike me as a very politically engaged person so I would say she and the dog meat guy are even.
What really struck me was the comment on Asian countries...
As if they were all the same. That comment smacked of ignorance and chauvinism.
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Well, the gentleman who ate the dog meat was accused of doing something irresponsible and I am saying if you live in the United States you shoulder actively try to change policies (at the very least) or leave the country because of the immoral actions of the government. Flower does not strike me as a very politically engaged person so I would say she and the dog meat guy are even.
What really struck me was the comment on Asian countries...
As if they were all the same. That comment smacked of ignorance and chauvinism.
you brought that degree of separation on by bringing politics into it.......
anti american rhetoric is pretty played out these days !
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you brought that degree of separation on by bringing politics into it.......
anti american rhetoric is pretty played out these days !
Not anti-American at all; there is a powerful analogy at work here.
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Not anti-American at all
you're backtracking now
I chose to leave the USA many years ago in large part because I found the government's imperialistic activities, among other things disgusting.
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you're backtracking now
That doesn't mean I am anti-American. Some of my closest friends are Americans, albeit also expats... :-\
Anyway...do you believe you have taxation with representation in the USA?
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dont hate me but i have tried dog meat, snake and almost all the great variety of animals available at some nice restaurants in china and i must say dog meat is great!
Whats the difference of eating dog, horse, cow, etc meat? I dont see any cruelty
Yeah, I've never eaten dog and I cannot bring my self to do so, but I've eaten just about everything else including cow, pig, wild boar, elk, deer, moose, bear, deer, alpaca, bison, water buffalo, ostrich, emu, llama, raccoon, opossum, crow, chicken, alligator, snake, turtle, fish of various species, snails, grubs, bugs, worms, slugs, and just about anything else that moves or crawls. Why? At one point in my life I went through this hardcore survivalist phase. I'd take a trashbag, a pocket knife, some matches, and a rifle out into the woods for the weekend. What I shot, I ate. If I didn't shoot it I didn't eat. Also, working with exotic species like I do, I know quite a few people who raise these animals for meat purposes. Gifts of steaks or "try this doc" aren't uncommon.
The thing is I was raised one shot, one kill. The key to me is humaine killing of the animal and utilization of all parts of the animal that can be used. You have to respect the animals body in its death. I don't agree to shooting an animal just to kill it for "sport". I also dont' like the stories of beatings, hangings, and essentially torture prior to death associated with eating dog in SE Asian countries. The animals deserve a quick, humane death.
Would I eat a dog if I was starving? I don't know. I've never been in that situation. Right now my dogs are asleep at my feet. These dogs will also help me survive by providing protection and assisting in the hunt (ideally)in the event of my needing them. They will stay that way in my world.
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Right now my dogs are asleep at my feet. These dogs will also help me survive by providing protection and assisting in the hunt (ideally)in the event of my needing them.
What kind of dogs do you have? My mother has a pair of salukis. They're supposedly hunting dogs. I guess the instincts are buried somewhere in them, but right now I don't see them hunting anything that isn't immobile in their bowls.
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What kind of dogs do you have? My mother has a pair of salukis. They're supposedly hunting dogs. I guess the instincts are buried somewhere in them, but right now I don't see them hunting anything that isn't immobile in their bowls.
In the past, I've had several breeds of "hunting dog" including beagles, laborador, black and tans, redbones, walkers and Harriers. Right now I've got two pitbulls and a Dogo. I guess the Dogo is the only official "hunting" dog I have now, if you could call him that. Tonight, hes a giant fart machine. ;)
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In the past, I've had several breeds of "hunting dog" including beagles, laborador, black and tans, redbones, walkers and Harriers. Right now I've got two pitbulls and a Dogo. I guess the Dogo is the only official "hunting" dog I have now, if you could call him that. Tonight, hes a giant fart machine. ;)
Lol at fart machine, well, maybe your dog will hunt. My mother's dogs have always been quite uninterested in toys. Sometimes I see them eyeing squirrels in her yard, but they usually just fall back asleep on the couch. Very odd behavior for a dog, IMO. My mother has a walker so they get exercise, but they spend most of their time hanging out in her vicinity trying to catch forty winks. My mom tells me something about the breed having been purebred for thousands of years. Maybe they bred the hunting instinct out of them.
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Well, the gentleman who ate the dog meat was accused of doing something irresponsible
irresponsible by knowingly, right there in his face, condoning the beating and suffering of an animal when he admitted he could of asked the gentleman to make it as quick as possible.
can you grasp that? If I was in the position to stop a child from being killed (since that was the analogy used) and I didn't then I would be wrong if I just let it happen, and not only let it happen but encouraged it happening, since that was the case with benz.
I don't think stop paying taxes and getting thrown in jail is going to stop the war, but it is wonderful that that was brought in here as the only defense you could try and stretch.
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Well, the gentleman who ate the dog meat was accused of doing something irresponsible and I am saying if you live in the United States you shoulder actively try to change policies (at the very least) or leave the country because of the immoral actions of the government. Flower does not strike me as a very politically engaged person so I would say she and the dog meat guy are even.
What really struck me was the comment on Asian countries...
As if they were all the same. That comment smacked of ignorance and chauvinism.
You equate the two and it's ridiculous
It's laughable that you suggest ~flower~ or anyone to leave this country due to an immoral government , but yet you accept barbaric behavior because it's attached to an animal
smacked of ignorance and chauvinism ?
I Think Not
The word does not require a judgment that the chauvinist is right or wrong in his opinion, only that he is blind and unreasoning in coming to it, ignoring any facts which might temper his fervor. In modern use, however, it is often used pejoratively to imply that the chauvinist is both unreasoning and wrong.
The way you (dis)believe and the subject matter you equate to each other leads "me" to think I'm glad you're not teaching any kid I know.
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You equate the two and it's ridiculous
It's laughable that you suggest ~flower~ or anyone to leave this country due to an immoral government , but yet you accept barbaric behavior because it's attached to an animal
smacked of ignorance and chauvinism ?
I Think Not
The word does not require a judgment that the chauvinist is right or wrong in his opinion, only that he is blind and unreasoning in coming to it, ignoring any facts which might temper his fervor. In modern use, however, it is often used pejoratively to imply that the chauvinist is both unreasoning and wrong.
The way you (dis)believe and the subject matter you equate to each other leads "me" to think I'm glad you're not teaching any kid I know.
Teaching kids is only a temporary gig and when the contract's up, never again. It's been interesting to see how the young of our species act and behave but I've had enough.
You are really avoiding the point where she put all Asian countries in the same pot and said it would be good if they just disappeared. Some of the most ancient dog breeds come from Asia. Wouldn't that be a shame?
And why is it laughable to suggest that someone leave a country which terrorises the world to protest its practices? Because that person has a comfortable life there? I didn't say I accepted barbaric behaviour towards animals. I don't. I am just saying that people have their schticks and Flower's sole concern is for animal life, specifically dogs and she just shrugs her shoulders when it comes to the imperialism of the USA; shrugging your shoulders is tantamount to apathy, which itself is tantamount to tacit support.
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lollz ;D
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lollz ;D
Why?
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Decide...are you still in high school?
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Why?
lololz ;D
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Decide...are you still in high school?
No, I am not.
Are you Mr. I am proud of my government no matter what it does or how many people it kills?
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No, I am not.
Are you Mr. I am proud of my government no matter what it does or how many people it kills?
you forgot to add "as long as they don't kill dogs in that sentence"
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you forgot to add "as long as they don't kill dogs in that sentence"
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I have to head off to bed but I will leave you with the following thought.
Your place of birth and hence your nationality is a geographical accident. You have no control over it and you did nothing to achieve it. The type of patriotism and nationalism you advocate is based on nothing but blind loyalty, born of circumstances that you had nothing to do with. Express pride in your own feats and accomplishments, not in those of the deeds of past men who also by dint of geographical accident were born in the USA.
A serious question: why do you believe dog lives are more valuable than human lives?
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dint I dint do it! lollz dint
I have feats - a left and a right one! loloz
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I have to head off to bed but I will leave you with the following thought.
Your place of birth and hence your nationality is a geographical accident. You have no control over it and you did nothing to achieve it. The type of patriotism and nationalism you advocate is based on nothing but blind loyalty, born of circumstances that you had nothing to do with. Express pride in your own feats and accomplishments, not in those of the deeds of past men who also by dint of geographical accident were born in the USA.
A serious question: why do you believe dog lives are more valuable than human lives?
dude...the more you write....the dumber you sound.
You have me so 'figured' out. ::)
I've been all over the world. Yes...born in the USA...but I live over 3,000 miles from where my family resides. I chose where I wanted to live...not by circumstances...not by accident...but by choice.
Now once again....I applaud the fact you left the United States but do us one favor.....
take all of your friends & family too.
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dude...the more you write....the dumber you sound.
You have me so 'figured' out. ::)
I've been all over the world. Yes...born in the USA...but I live over 3,000 miles from where my family resides. I chose where I wanted to live...not by circumstances...not by accident...but by choice.
Now once again....I applaud the fact you left the United States but do us one favor.....
take all of your friends & family too.
You are the one who sounds dumber. I rightly explained to you that you had no control over the circumstances of your birth. You could have easily been born in Chad or France or Russia or China. Would you be as patriotic then? I wasn't talking about the choices you made as an adult but the geographical accident of your birth.
My remaining family lives in NYC, which although technically the USA, bears little relationship to the rest of it. Don't worry, my parents are old and will likely die shortly. I will make it a point to inform you when it happens.
Would you save your dogs' lives over your mother's life? Or your own child's?
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My remaining family lives in NYC, which although technically the USA, bears little relationship to the rest of it. Don't worry, my parents are old and will likely die shortly. I will make it a point to inform you when it happens.
I'll agree with you on that. NYC is Americas dirty asshole with a big dingleberry in my opinion. LA follows a close second behind that.
Then again I'm a farm kid who hates living close enough to another human that they might be able to see smoke from my chimney on a clear day with binoculars, so take my opinion as you wish.
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I'll agree with you on that. NYC is Americas dirty asshole with a big dingleberry in my opinion. LA follows a close second behind that.
Then again I'm a farm kid who hates living close enough to another human that they might be able to see smoke from my chimney on a clear day with binoculars, so take my opinion as you wish.
Or it's lifeblood depending on how you look at it...
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Would you save your dogs' lives over your mother's life? Or your own child's?
for a school teacher you sure ask a lot of stupid questions
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for a school teacher you sure ask a lot of stupid questions
I am not a school teacher, never said that.
And you missed the part where your friend said he would save a dog's life over a human's.
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Or it's lifeblood depending on how you look at it...
Not the way I see things. I lived in NYC---manhattan, for 2 years. I have friends in the New York Metropolitan area I'll consider friends for ever, however to me NYC was my definition of hell on earth. I was miserable living there. Absolutely miserable.
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I am not a school teacher, never said that.
And you missed the part where your friend said he would save a dog's life over a human's.
It would depend on the human, would I shoot my dog because he was biting the fuck out of an intruder? No. But, I would have to euthanize the intruder to put him out of his misery right? That would be the humane thing to do.
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Not the way I see things. I lived in NYC---manhattan, for 2 years. I have friends in the New York Metropolitan area I'll consider friends for ever, however to me NYC was my definition of hell on earth. I was miserable living there. Absolutely miserable.
NYC is always hate it or love it. ;D
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It would depend on the human, would I shoot my dog because he was biting the fuck out of an intruder? No. But, I would have to euthanize the intruder to put him out of his misery right? That would be the humane thing to do.
Random dog attacks random 4 year old. What do you?
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Forgive me if this has been said already, I'm not going to bother reading this whole thread, but meat is meat. Unless you're a vegan, you're a fucking hypocrite if you would condemn eaters of dog meat while you sit there happily munching on cow or pig meat.
While I have no particular desire to seek out dog meat as it's not typically served in western cultures, if I were in Vietman and it were served to me, as a carnivore I'd have no particular moral issues with eating it.
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Forgive me if this has been said already, I'm not going to bother reading this whole thread, but meat is meat. Unless you're a vegan, you're a fucking hypocrite if you would condemn eaters of dog meat while you sit there happily munching on cow or pig meat.
While I have no particular desire to seek out dog meat as it's not typically served in western cultures, if I were in Vietman and it were served to me, as a carnivore I'd have no particular moral issues with eating it.
read teh thread or don't comment!! >:(
The issue was not the eating of dog meat, but the eating of an animal that you KNOW is going to be be beaten 1/2 to death, then skinned and cooked still alive most likely. If the dog was going to be slaughtered humanely and not deliberately tortured then I still personally would not like people eating dogs, but I could not call anyone wrong for choosing to.
And benz considered asking the guy to kill the dog he picked out to eat quickly and more humanely, but didn't, which makes him a sick fucking asshole.
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read teh thread or don't comment!! >:(
The issue was not the eating of dog meat, but the eating of an animal that you KNOW is going to be be beaten 1/2 to death, then skinned and cooked still alive most likely. If the dog was going to be slaughtered humanely and not deliberately tortured then I still personally would not like people eating dogs, but I could not call anyone wrong for choosing to.
And benz considered asking the guy to kill the dog he picked out to eat quickly and more humanely, but didn't, which makes him a sick fucking asshole.
Benz ate a dog?
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i still remember the face of the little puppy i ate (he was like please man dont pick me).
a puppy more specifically according to this post :-[
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Oh, he was in China. Have to admit that when I am in China, I try to eat only at western hotels. You never know what the hell you're eating otherwise.
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You are the one who sounds dumber. I rightly explained to you that you had no control over the circumstances of your birth. You could have easily been born in Chad or France or Russia or China. Would you be as patriotic then? I wasn't talking about the choices you made as an adult but the geographical accident of your birth.
My remaining family lives in NYC, which although technically the USA, bears little relationship to the rest of it. Don't worry, my parents are old and will likely die shortly. I will make it a point to inform you when it happens.
Would you save your dogs' lives over your mother's life? Or your own child's?
Yes...I would save my dogs life over my mother or children's life
....because...
I don't have either dipshit ::)
Damn you dumb
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While I have no particular desire to seek out dog meat as it's not typically served in western cultures, if I were in Vietman and it were served to me, as a carnivore I'd have no particular moral issues with eating it.
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we both know that's a crock of shit you're spewing because you're standing on some kind of principle that can only be found on the internet...
the truth of the matter is you would'nt eat dog meat if ya knew it was dog meat so cut the bullshit !
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I have no problem with others eating dog meat, I wouldn't, but that's me. However, torturing the dog to death is a problem especially when it is possible, and even easier, to kill it humanely. In my opinion, the only reasons to ever kill something are defense and food. In either case, especially if it is for food, I believe it is your duty to kill it as humanely as possible and make the most of it if possible, as Vet said earlier. It is losing its life for you, you should be thankful, in the case that it is for food.
There's been a lot of talk about valuing human life over dog, dog over human, monkey over dog, or whatever combination. I'm not sure how one can argue that the life of any animal, including humans, is inherently more important than the life for another barring religion of course, I don't recognize that as a legitimate reason. The only reasons most people think that human life is because they are human and they are bias and/or they have been told all their lives this is the case. One's own bias, interests, and influences determine what lives he values more or less. In my case, I see my pets as about the equivalent as my children; so yes, I would allow most people to die if given a choice between my dog and some random person because it is in my interest to keep my dog alive and not some random person, just like most people would rather that random person die than their child.
Also, there are a lot of implications of hypocrisy, especially in the whole eating tortured dog vs. supporting evil US gov't analogy. Everyone is a hypocrite at some level; there is not a single exception. People should strive to not be hypocrites, but bias and beliefs and other influences will never go completely dead. The analogy is ok, but those two things aren't completely comparable. A large differentiating factor is the cost of not supporting the "bad behavior." Benz would incur 0 cost when he asked that the puppy be killed humanely rather than tortured. However, Flower would incur potentially heavy costs in changing her country of residence. She would have to cover long distance moving costs, possible take the time to learn a new language, possibly go through a citizenship process in her new country in which case the US would want her to relinquish her US citizenship, which is another cost, among other costs. That is an economic issue, does her belief that the US gov't is bad overpower the cost of relocating? If yes, she should relocate. If no, she should not relocate. I'm not saying anything about Flower's opinions, just using an example. They are also not quite the same because one is direct and the other is not direct, like Flower said.
Sorry for the long post.
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we both know that's a crock of shit you're spewing because you're standing on some kind of principle that can only be found on the internet...
the truth of the matter is you would'nt eat dog meat if ya knew it was dog meat so cut the bullshit !
Why not?
I've had alligator, bison, ostrich, quail, rattlesnake, shark, rabbit, escargot, and venison. Why do you think I'd have a problem with dog?
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Why not?
I've had alligator, bison, ostrich, quail, rattlesnake, shark, rabbit, escargot, and venison. Why do you think I'd have a problem with dog?
Goatboy being a badass. ;D Or a dumbass?
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Goatboy being a badass. ;D Or a dumbass?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=205545.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=205545.0)
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=205545.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=205545.0)
I get it! He's just being "a m'phag"
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Goatboy being a badass. ;D Or a dumbass?
Wow... here I though to be a "badass" you had to act tough all the time or something. Turns out all you have to do is try new foods every now and again. Who knew?
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I have no problem with others eating dog meat, I wouldn't, but that's me. However, torturing the dog to death is a problem especially when it is possible, and even easier, to kill it humanely. In my opinion, the only reasons to ever kill something are defense and food. In either case, especially if it is for food, I believe it is your duty to kill it as humanely as possible and make the most of it if possible, as Vet said earlier. It is losing its life for you, you should be thankful, in the case that it is for food.
There's been a lot of talk about valuing human life over dog, dog over human, monkey over dog, or whatever combination. I'm not sure how one can argue that the life of any animal, including humans, is inherently more important than the life for another barring religion of course, I don't recognize that as a legitimate reason. The only reasons most people think that human life is because they are human and they are bias and/or they have been told all their lives this is the case. One's own bias, interests, and influences determine what lives he values more or less. In my case, I see my pets as about the equivalent as my children; so yes, I would allow most people to die if given a choice between my dog and some random person because it is in my interest to keep my dog alive and not some random person, just like most people would rather that random person die than their child.
Also, there are a lot of implications of hypocrisy, especially in the whole eating tortured dog vs. supporting evil US gov't analogy. Everyone is a hypocrite at some level; there is not a single exception. People should strive to not be hypocrites, but bias and beliefs and other influences will never go completely dead. The analogy is ok, but those two things aren't completely comparable. A large differentiating factor is the cost of not supporting the "bad behavior." Benz would incur 0 cost when he asked that the puppy be killed humanely rather than tortured. However, Flower would incur potentially heavy costs in changing her country of residence. She would have to cover long distance moving costs, possible take the time to learn a new language, possibly go through a citizenship process in her new country in which case the US would want her to relinquish her US citizenship, which is another cost, among other costs. That is an economic issue, does her belief that the US gov't is bad overpower the cost of relocating? If yes, she should relocate. If no, she should not relocate. I'm not saying anything about Flower's opinions, just using an example. They are also not quite the same because one is direct and the other is not direct, like Flower said.
Sorry for the long post.
Greater neurocomplexity, greater cognition and greater intelligence are the general reasons why we value great apes (such as ourselves) over say dogs and cats and dogs and cats over mice and gerbils.
You don't lose your US citizenship. I don't know who fed you that; you've been living in Germany by chance? I have dual citizenship.
In any event my point, which you seem to agree on is that we are all hypocrites at base.
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Why not?
I've had alligator, bison, ostrich, quail, rattlesnake, shark, rabbit, escargot, and venison. Why do you think I'd have a problem with dog?
Idon't believe you'd eat dog (I'm actually giving you credit by saying this) just like I don't believe 95% of the people that try to use the logic you used would eat dog either....
it's a great way to stir the pot emotionally, especially when you say it on a board full of dog lovers but that's as far as I think it goes,you try to argue because ya feel the need to go against the grain...
and eating any of the above mentioned really is'nt that extavagant,hell I'm a picky eater and I've tried all of those.......
let me know when you can honestly say you've eaten a rat and then and only then will I believe you'd be willing to eat dog meat ;)
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Idon't believe you'd eat dog (I'm actually giving you credit by saying this) just like I don't believe 95% of the people that try to use the logic you used would eat dog either....
it's a great way to stir the pot emotionally, especially when you say it on a board full of dog lovers but that's as far as I think it goes,you try to argue because ya feel the need to go against the grain...
and eating any of the above mentioned really is'nt that extavagant,hell I'm a picky eater and I've tried all of those.......
let me know when you can honestly say you've eaten a rat and then and only then will I believe you'd be willing to eat dog meat ;)
Geo... I'm not sentimental like 90% of brain-dead Americans. Logic guides my decisions, not social mores. Would I eat rat meat? Like dog, I wouldn't exactly seek it out, but if I were in a place where it was a common dish, it was put in front of me, and it was properly prepared and cooked, I wouldn't have an issue with it. Meat is meat, period... protein and fat from the tissue of formerly living animals.
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Geo... I'm not sentimental like 90% of brain-dead Americans. Logic guides my decisions, not social mores. Would I eat rat meat? Like dog, I wouldn't exactly seek it out, but if I were in a place where it was a common dish, it was put in front of me, and it was properly prepared and cooked, I wouldn't have an issue with it. Meat is meat, period... protein and fat from the tissue of formerly living animals.
you're full of shit....
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Geo... I'm not sentimental like 90% of brain-dead Americans. Logic guides my decisions, not social mores. Would I eat rat meat? Like dog, I wouldn't exactly seek it out, but if I were in a place where it was a common dish, it was put in front of me, and it was properly prepared and cooked, I wouldn't have an issue with it. Meat is meat, period... protein and fat from the tissue of formerly living animals.
Goatboy, you're a bad mamma-jamma. After reading this post, I no longer think of you as effete/finicky/persnickety/dainty or all the other things flower has called you. Instead, I see you as a modern day Cool Hand luke.
Dude, who're you kidding? You'd eat your boat shoes before you even looked at a rat curry.
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you're full of shit....
You're entitled to your opinion.
But you might want to consider losing some weight anyway, fatass!
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I can see Goatboy wearing alligator clothing..but not eating it
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Greater neurocomplexity, greater cognition and greater intelligence are the general reasons why we value great apes (such as ourselves) over say dogs and cats and dogs and cats over mice and gerbils.
You don't lose your US citizenship. I don't know who fed you that; you've been living in Germany by chance? I have dual citizenship.
In any event my point, which you seem to agree on is that we are all hypocrites at base.
That is a large part of why people do value human and ape lives more, but does not make their lives inherently more important. I never said you lose your US citizenship; I know it is possible to have dual citizenship; sorry for the confusion. I live in the US.
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That is a large part of why people do value human and ape lives more, but does not make their lives inherently more important. I never said you lose your US citizenship; I know it is possible to have dual citizenship; sorry for the confusion. I live in the US.
No such thing, hence the need to quantify it to some extent.
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No such thing, hence the need to quantify it to some extent.
That's my point. Also that one method of quantization is no more relevant than another. One might say a chimp is more important because it is more intelligent, but another may say a Gorilla is more important because it is stronger. Who is right? I think no one, but you may disagree. If you poke a cat it hurts just as much as if you poke a person is part of my point, there isn't a real difference other than individual bias which in this case is is present in the entire population because we are people so we have more of an interest in a person being poked than a cat.
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I personally just don't like people that much at all anymore. Humans have earned my dislike of the species.
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I personally just don't like people that much at all anymore. Humans have earned my dislike of the species.
Humans are the parasites of the earth!!
I agree 100% with you on this one vet.
When I told a girl I work with I got a bird she said "what you spend your money on" and I said "I really don't care for people that much" so I spend it on what I do like. :)
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Humans are the parasites of the earth!!
I agree 100% with you on this one vet.
When I told a girl I work with I got a bird she said "what you spend your money on" and I said "I really don't care for people that much" so I spend it on what I do like. :)
What kind of work do you do?
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What kind of work do you do?
I'm a flying trapeze artist. I sometimes do an act with her. I told her maybe she should only be concerned that I spend my money on "no slip hand grip" and shut her yap.
:)
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What kind of work do you do?
yeah, I'd like to know that one too.
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I'm a flying trapeze artist. I sometimes do an act with her. I told her maybe she should only be concerned that I spend my money on "no slip hand grip" and shut her yap.
:)
hahahhaha
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I'm a flying trapeze artist. I sometimes do an act with her. I told her maybe she should only be concerned that I spend my money on "no slip hand grip" and shut her yap.
:)
Hmm...is that true now?