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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Lugar on June 04, 2007, 11:04:46 AM
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Anyone have any experience, know of anyone with this disease, etc? would love to hear any personal information and/or a contact to gather some info. Much thanks!
Thanks!
J
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Anyone have any experience, know of anyone with this disease, etc? would love to hear any personal information and/or a contact to gather some info. Much thanks!
Thanks!
J
Is this a self diagnosis? Everything about this thread reads that it is. So why do you want to know? And if you think you have it, why?
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Well, spent 1 week in the hospital, as I woke up about 10 days ago with a blood sugar level of about 22, couldnt move from my bed, and had to call 911 (they said 19 and lower is comotose)
To much dismay,the docs couldn't figure out what was wrong other than I am severly underweight (6'1, 145-48lbs) and suffering from stomach pains, numbeness and overtraining. So they ran every test imaginable and everything came back negative EXCEPT for my obvious disorder and my liver enzmes are elevated. He told me 40-50 is normal, in the thousands are someone who has hep. B or AIDS and mine sit about 400. So, there is some damage, but correctible. He also knows about my opid problem which he says needs to stop along with nubain for pain. I am taking now (weening off) only 5mg of oxycodone and another 5mg in the am and pm and 10mg of nubain. Slowly weening off and the pain is bothering me big time. I pray that if my weight increases, it's gonna be tons easier to come off (about 9 days I will be dry)........so, now it's a matter of focusing on slamming the calories, forgeting about the damn abs and reducing my training to 3-4 a week MAX! Used to be everyday and obviosuly no cardio. Also, coming off 200mg of test enthantate which should also help. I'm getting better, have a diet on hand that prob. needs the help of a nutrionalisit (seeing one on the 18th) but other than my diet, it's a matter of just eating whatever isn't nailed down (my neighbor is currenlty on the make of a sdozen orgain pb&js for the week to add in. laos thinking about a mass shake of whole eggs, wheat germ, protein powder and peanut butter. Thanks for you support. No more posts other than my thread from me as I just need to focus on myself and get better.
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Does your doctor know that you use? You're right, at your age with your height and weight, when you first started posting I wondered if you were a diabetic. Even if you haven't eaten anything for an extended period of time, it should never be that low. NOW your liver eval could and probably will be as a result of your AAS use. My doc says that most people who work out on a regualr basis always seem to have a slighter higher liver eval than the average person but I didnt ask for specifics. Did you get a second opinion? Who pointed you towards this particular "possible" condition?
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I made an error it was low was I went in the the ER 50-60, but they kept me off food for 36 hours, which led to the crash........this is normal since my weight was low as it began with.........I jsut would like to speak with anyone who knows about this....experiences...al so with chronic fatigue...yes doc knows it all........you gotta be honest with him, makes sense......
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I made an error it was low was I went in the the ER 50-60, but they kept me off food for 36 hours, which led to the crash........this is normal since my weight was low as it began with.........I jsut would like to speak with anyone who knows about this....experiences...al so with chronic fatigue...yes doc knows it all........you gotta be honest with him, makes sense......
cool, well I'll research it but at this point, I'm not sure what to tell you beyond the idea that you could just have IBS.
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Can we move this to the Pysch board?
Seriously though, focus on your mental health first and let the training and nutrition follow. I don't think the kind of negativity on this board is good for you.
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its maybe too clean? I got one of those huge huge bags of licorce from my girl.......prob. would send me into shock, but I am sooooo tempted..........red chewy licorice lol.........
one would think and I hope it does.........its maybe too clean? I got one of those huge huge bags of licorce from my girl.......prob. would send me into shock, but I am sooooo tempted..........red chewy licorice lol.........
MORNING TRAINING
700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
GRAPFRUIT .5 2.00 15.00 0.10 100.00
1 EGG 6.00 1.00 5.50 80.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
43.00 65.00 11.10 560.00
TRAIN
930
WHEY 23.00 4.00 4.00 158.00
RICE CAKES 2.00 32.00 1.00 140.00
WHEAT GERM 4.00 7.00 1.50 60.00
29.00 43.00 6.50 358.00
1130
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1/2 APPLE 0.30 20.00 0.50 85.00
46.30 49.00 7.50 435.00
230
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
6OZ YAM 3.00 48.00 0.50 200.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
45.00 70.00 - 3.50 - 520.00
500
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
20 almopnds 6.00 6.00 16.00 160.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
49.00 28.00 - 21.00 - 480.00
900
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
47.00 - 9.00 - 18.00 370.00
GRAND TOTAL 262.30 - 267.00 - 75.60 #REF! 2,793.00
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Welcome back Lugar :)
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Wow...i always knew the truth without reading it. Anorexia, OCD, Nubain, opiates...etc.
I hope you seek help Lugar. Think of your future bro.
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Lugar,
I can only wish you well.
Hopefully, you'll get it right.
I would recommend getting in contact with clinical dietists. Not the ones you find in gyms, but those who operates out of hospitals.
Basically, whatever eating disorder you have, expect yourself to battle it for at least a year or so.
The good thing is that you've realised that there's something wrong.
-Hedge
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holy shit man i didn't realize you were in this much trouble, take care of yourself man and i say that seriously, get better and eat, if you feel well enough then go train but if not just eat and rest and get better, hope you get over this.
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I worked in the 'cutter/ana' section of McLean hospital, dealt with eating disorders and multiple personalities. fascinating stuff.
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its maybe too clean? I got one of those huge huge bags of licorce from my girl.......prob. would send me into shock, but I am sooooo tempted..........red chewy licorice lol.........
one would think and I hope it does.........its maybe too clean? I got one of those huge huge bags of licorce from my girl.......prob. would send me into shock, but I am sooooo tempted..........red chewy licorice lol.........
MORNING TRAINING
700 PRO CARB FAT
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1 PC TOAST 4.00 20.00 2.00 110.00
GRAPFRUIT .5 2.00 15.00 0.10 100.00
1 EGG 6.00 1.00 5.50 80.00
1 CUP EGG WHITES 26.00 2.00 0.50 120.00
43.00 65.00 11.10 560.00
TRAIN
930
WHEY 23.00 4.00 4.00 158.00
RICE CAKES 2.00 32.00 1.00 140.00
WHEAT GERM 4.00 7.00 1.50 60.00
29.00 43.00 6.50 358.00
1130
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
1/2 CUP OATS 5.00 27.00 3.00 150.00
1/2 APPLE 0.30 20.00 0.50 85.00
46.30 49.00 7.50 435.00
230
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
6OZ YAM 3.00 48.00 0.50 200.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
45.00 70.00 - 3.50 - 520.00
500
6OZ CHX 41.00 2.00 4.00 200.00
20 almopnds 6.00 6.00 16.00 160.00
BROC, ASPARG, GREENS 2.00 20.00 1.00 120.00
49.00 28.00 - 21.00 - 480.00
900
CUP COTTAGE CHEESE 40.00 2.00 2.00 200.00
TB PB 4.00 4.00 8.00 100.00
10 ALMONDS 3.00 3.00 8.00 70.00
47.00 - 9.00 - 18.00 370.00
GRAND TOTAL 262.30 - 267.00 - 75.60 #REF! 2,793.00
Seriously, no more posting on Getbig, it's really not healthy for you. You need PROFESSIONAL help.
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someone clue me in...
send me a pm. what set off your bells and whistles?
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Trouble? It's all because I'm so light and my nervous system is taxed...you must admit that my opiate use is extremely mild and will be kicked in 1 week..........it is a problem none the less, but wd's should be mental more than physical.......doc txd me oxycodone for pain because the pain is REAL, but I need to fix my diet in order to feel better...agreed? My nutrionalist wants me more in the 60% carb zone.....that's what I need to work on, lifting wise, the FORK.....agreed?
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Trouble? It's all because I'm so light and my nervous system is taxed...you must admit that my opiate use is extremely mild and will be kicked in 1 week..........it is a problem none the less, but wd's should be mental more than physical.......doc txd me oxycodone for pain because the pain is REAL, but I need to fix my diet in order to feel better...agreed? My nutrionalist wants me more in the 60% carb zone.....that's what I need to work on, lifting wise, the FORK.....agreed?
What pain?
you have stated you were kicking the opiate habit like 37 times bro...
Please seek professional help.
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Trust me I am am did.....small case of pancreatis and elevated liver enzymes....all other tests were negative EXCEPT for my eating disorder.......I have no choice but to kick the habit....it will be done and I am sure I will be miserable for a good week......when I don't train, the pain is very mild.....simple solution.....quit training until I am recovered......nervouse system is way too taxed trying to digest this food and recover from training......
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Today I took 5mg of oxycodone (1/2 a tab) at 6:30am when I woke in bad bad pain.....took the edge of, had a huge breakfast and then trained. I have had maybe a tad over 10mg (1/2 cc of nubain) today and in major pain, but I told you guys I'm coming off.......here starts my ween........
you gotta admit, 5mg is a great start...fuck, many take 20-30 hydros without thinking twice.....might need a tad more nubain later tonight but def. not over .9cc in total.........mild! Support me, ill get there!
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Why are you still training dude?
I suggest you quit everything and don't look in a mirror for at least three months. You have to fix your head first. You're trying to do too much at the same time (eating perfectly, gaining size, kicking your disorders/addictions).
I doubt you will follow my advice ...
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Why are you still training dude?
I suggest you quit everything and don't look in a mirror for at least three months. You have to fix your head first. You're trying to do too much at the same time (eating perfectly, gaining size, kicking your disorders/addictions).
I doubt you will follow my advice ...
Great advice!
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good advice....training to keep the blood flow, 4x a week, 45min max, no cardio after a full meal so well fueled...........thanks.
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good advice....training to keep the blood flow, 4x a week, 45min max, no cardio after a full meal so well fueled...........thanks.
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Why are you still training? I think your maniacal training is also part of the problem. Can't you give your body a rest for a couple of months and maybe go jogging once or twice a week, to keep the blood flow?
I really think it would help you if you didn't look in a mirror or stepped on a scale for a couple of months. I think your obsession with "abs" and your weight is a major part of your problems.
Like others have already suggested, get professional help. Make it easier for yourself.
Good luck
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This guy is a broken record.
You CANNOT help someone who will not help themself.
He's been saying the same shit for months on several different boards.
he has DEEP mental problems guys...
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Hey overload....been meaning to tell you this for a long time and haven't......I know I have my problems, and am working them out but FUCK YOU!
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Hey overload....been meaning to tell you this for a long time and haven't......I know I have my problems, and am working them out but FUCK YOU!
Dude you need a psychiatrist. You are without a doubt the most fucked up person on getbig......and that's saying a lot!
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Dude you need a psychiatrist. You are without a doubt the most fucked up person on getbig......and that's saying a lot!
Without a doubt.
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Hahahahahaha...i don't even have to insult you. you're already a mental case.
I'm telling you to seek professional help, if you have any friends i'm sure they would tell you the same, so look at me as a helping hand who is blunt and honest about your situation.
i actually hope you get better.
Good luck!
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Wow...i always knew the truth without reading it.
You and me both! I’ve been saying from day one he needs psychiatric help, that this isn’t something he could battle on his own, nor is anyone here qualified to even remotely assist. Hell, I even suggested he get a liver panel way back in March. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=135165.msg1918271#msg1918271
All this was perceived as negative and hurtful rather than hones, straightforward and to the point.
This is not a mind over matter problem. There is a major brain chemical imbalance. Antidepressants may help. That is why a psych is crucial, This is something that is going to take many different professionals working together to get under control. I say under control because chances are he’ll never fully recover. The neurotransmitters have been in a state of confusion for too long. I suspect there’s more than anorexia and CFS going on. For example, Fibromyalgia may also be contributing towards the “pain”.
Perhaps this was the wake up call he needed.
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Pretty fucking amazed....put on paxil and xanax about 3 weeks ago (xanax 2 days) and I feel totally rejunivatd. Still overtrained and a tad bloated, but nothing like I was......No oxy for 3 days with little to no sides. I told you I was only taking 1 or 1.5 a day, so that had to be the reason to be able to ween off....thank god!
The xanax makes me tired, good concnetration, but just tired. SO i need to train after breakfast, then take my prescriptios.....any downside to either of these OTHER than addicitons. I am only allowed the xanax for 4 weeks and sparangle 1-2mg a day total.
I got valium which I havent had to use, so I'll dump that onto someone else. Are they any dies withthe other two? Weight gain/loss? Libido? etc?
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Are they any dies withthe other two? Weight gain/loss? Libido? etc?
Ask a doctor, not a message board.
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Pretty fucking amazed....put on paxil and xanax about 3 weeks ago (xanax 2 days) and I feel totally rejunivatd. Still overtrained and a tad bloated, but nothing like I was......No oxy for 3 days with little to no sides. I told you I was only taking 1 or 1.5 a day, so that had to be the reason to be able to ween off....thank god!
The xanax makes me tired, good concnetration, but just tired. SO i need to train after breakfast, then take my prescriptios.....any downside to either of these OTHER than addicitons. I am only allowed the xanax for 4 weeks and sparangle 1-2mg a day total.
I got valium which I havent had to use, so I'll dump that onto someone else. Are they any dies withthe other two? Weight gain/loss? Libido? etc?
gimmick ::)
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Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully depleted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg eq, 50mg proviron) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
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Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully depleted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg eq, 50mg proviron) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
gimmick ::)
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What's a gimmick?
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What's a gimmick?
A fake account.
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dude your on teh juice and only weigh 152..are you fuckin kidding me...im eighteen and i have about 40 pounds on you..natty
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dude your on teh juice and only weigh 152..are you fuckin kidding me...im eighteen and i have about 40 pounds on you..natty
you don't have an eating disorder and a drug addiction, maybe, just maybe, that might make a difference.
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The xanax makes me tired, good concnetration, but just tired. SO i need to train after breakfast, then take my prescriptios.....any downside to either of these OTHER than addicitons. I am only allowed the xanax for 4 weeks and sparangle 1-2mg a day total.
I got valium which I havent had to use, so I'll dump that onto someone else. Are they any dies withthe other two? Weight gain/loss? Libido? etc?
They gave you Xanax when you already had an opiate addiction (not the same class of drugs but xanax can be addicting). That would be like giving you vicodan for pain. What the hell was your doc thinking? If they gave you that then why the valium? or did you get that on the black market? Judging by the ending question(s) you haven't addressed any of your mental issues at all (see red print above - that's not a slam it's just an observation). Why in are you still taking steroids? You need to give your body a long rest (from both drugs & training). ::)
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Something MUST be working....I have been training 1 hour after my first meal and then being a slug the rest of the day to conserve energy. Actually, I work in an office, go home, do some chores, then lounge and EATTTTT! No cardio. When I left the hospital fully depleted I was 140....that was 17 days ago.......today, no cheats and no straying from my diet whatsoever, no missed meals and even eating sometimes at midnight if I'm hungry (a few allmnonds and cottage cheese) and I'm 152.......so many thought the cals would be too low and maybe it's just water weight (300mg test, 400mg eq, 50mg proviron) but I'm getting stronger and just feel 100x better.,...think I'll have to bump the cals soon? For example, last week military 50lb dbells press 3 sets of 10, today 3 sets of 11 with 60's.....thoughts? Keep rolling or would you honestly crank it up a little more to get to a normal weight quicker......I want to be on stage in 2 years, will my progress be too slow? Still visible 4-5 pack in good light..........thanks for all the help!
That's a much bigger priority then your health. ::)
I highly suggest you get your house in order before competing &/or taking any more steroids (i.e. get your shit together). You're libel to step on stage & die or something. It's things like that that give bodybuilding & people who use steroids responsibly a bad name.
Before you go the typical Lugar route & start being an asshole & smartass please note that I'm not trying to pick on you - I'm just stating facts. I've also tried to help you numerous times in the past & you've blown me off & lied to me over & over. In fact believe it or not I know a thing or two about eating disorders as I've watched/helped several friends with them over the years.
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my opiate addition is mental.....5mg a day is hardly a addiciton and my doc is well saware....two days left and no more opiates, period....w/d will be fine, mentally it wont bbe easy, but if Im progreessing in the gym, it's all I care about...
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my aas use is hrt that i've upped SLIHGJHTLY....hes well aware of that two......very mild at 400mg and 40-0 mg eq.....im feelinng 300000 times better, Ill be fine...just stick with me brutha...
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my opiate addition is mental.....5mg a day is hardly a addiciton and my doc is well saware....two days left and no more opiates, period....w/d will be fine, mentally it wont bbe easy, but if Im progreessing in the gym, it's all I care about...
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my aas use is hrt that i've upped SLIHGJHTLY....hes well aware of that two......very mild at 400mg and 40-0 mg eq.....im feelinng 300000 times better, Ill be fine...just stick with me brutha...
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my opiate addition is mental.....5mg a day is hardly a addiciton and my doc is well saware....two days left and no more opiates, period....w/d will be fine, mentally it wont bbe easy, but if Im progreessing in the gym, it's all I care about...
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my aas use is hrt that i've upped SLIHGJHTLY....hes well aware of that two......very mild at 400mg and 40-0 mg eq.....im feelinng 300000 times better, Ill be fine...just stick with me brutha...
Gimmick. I agree with xpac2.
He's acting even more delusional than True Adonis and Vince G combined.
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my aas use is hrt that i've upped SLIHGJHTLY....hes well aware of that two......very mild at 400mg and 40-0 mg eq.....im feelinng 300000 times better, Ill be fine...just stick with me brutha...
& I'm sure your doc is fine with you upping prescription HRT ::). & I'm sure he's also ok with you being on EQ. It's not a matter of sticking with you - it's a matter of you being honest & telling the truth. How many threads did you post about Nubain? Each time claiming you're never going to try it &/or you've never tried it. As it turns out you've been on the shit for a long time.
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my opiate addition is mental.....5mg a day is hardly a addiciton and my doc is well saware....two days left and no more opiates, period....w/d will be fine, mentally it wont bbe easy, but if Im progreessing in the gym, it's all I care about...
That's sad & pathetic that you're only concerned about making progress at the gym & competing & not your health.
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Rim - I had every friggn test done imaginable.....I am very concerned, but nothing is wrong as of right now except high liver vales annd am cleaning up my act......my opiate use is just about done and I have no cravings or desire......I'm telling you, thjerapy or the paxil, but something has changed me....OK, let me rephrase.....The only things that I truly care about are my health, my family, my career.......the first thing on that list aside from the major issues is competeing...it's all I want to do atheltic wise.....beeen a goal since I watched cartoons, and I will fullfill it......have fun.
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wait a second here, whatever happened to this post:
Well, ladies and gents, my damage is done. After read Mav's post (which was very well written) I have decided to follow suit. No, I am not adopting a child (good luck bro, you'll make a he lava pop!), but I have reached a point in my life where I need to either shit or get off the pot. My life has been a struggle these last couple of years, coping with the loss of 3 of my grandparents, battling anorexia nervosa, and changing careers (well, from a public CPA to a corporate tax banking manager).
I am still seeking therapy, Rx’d meds for anxiety, and learning to battle this horrible disease. I know I've pissed or better yet, flustered many of you, but it's only because us accounts are so anal, that everything needs to be perfect, down to every rep, and every morsel.
I have found a "team" that is going to help me pursue my goal of competing. I have roughly 720 days to accomplish this feat, or I'm going to give up the lifelong dream and just lift and train for the halibut.
This "team" has requested that I keep them anonymous and god forbid, ask for a critique of their plan. I have a top notch trainer and a top notch dietician assisting me, so I will not need the help from anyone else. Therefore, I am going to refrain from posting on this board, or any other for a long time. Sure, I might pursue the boards and if something comes arise, I may toss in my .02ml, but it will be very very rare. PM me f you want my email addy to keep in touch as I have met many good guys (and some real dicks) on this board and would love to keep in touch.
SO, long story short, good-bye and good luck to all. If and when I do hit my goal and find a show I am going to do, I'll be sure to inform everyone and you had better believe, the biggest party you've ever seen will follow, all as a token of my appreciation.
Good Luck bros....may the force............
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gimmick ::)
I had been starting to think that Lugar was a gimmick a while ago, then he went off the radar for a while and is back with the exact same posts. Lugar, if you arent a gimmick, overload is right, you need some help dude!! Re-read your last posts over the last 12 months - they are ridculosly obsessive. And if you are a gimmick, then FUCK YOU ;)