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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: officer builder on January 09, 2014, 02:42:34 AM
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whats up guys basically i did a thread a couple of days ago about how trenbolonbe enanthate is the devil, well im stilll going through some severe anxiety issues and cant sleep. i plan on getting rid of the trenbolone what is a good drug that i can substitue that for?
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I have run it over a gram and no mental issues as such. Just the whole sweating thing.
You can run a combo of test, mast, eq, promo, car to get a better effect.
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whats up guys basically i did a thread a couple of days ago about how trenbolonbe enanthate is the devil, well im stilll going through some severe anxiety issues and cant sleep. i plan on getting rid of the trenbolone what is a good drug that i can substitue that for?
I thought a nice blow-job is a good medicine
;)
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Run tren for a year with hrt doses of test... then u can run tren with any dose of anything as you get used to it and don't get the side effects no more lol... only the effects. High dose test with any dose tren = side effects. Low dose test + tren = no side effects of insomnia or out of control rage/anxiety. You will still sweat like crazy at night though.
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Why not lower the dose?
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The sides from tren don't dissapear if you lower dose, they dissapear if you lower test dose. Even 200mg of tren will make you a wreck if you're on even 500mg test.
But try <200mg test with any dose of tren even 1g and you won't suffer insomnia and anger/mood/anxiety. Just strength gains.
However if you do this for a long period of time then gradually up test, sides won't be like before. At least for me that's been the case. 1G of tren is just crazy though. Anything above 500mg of tren makes me not able to eat.. tren kills appetite too much.
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Why not use Tren Ace?
I've never had any problems with Tren Ace at around 50mg a day.
400mg of test e or c, 350mg of tren a, and 350mg of winstrol a week is my absolute favorite stack w/ no sides whatsoever.
Obviously that's just me though.
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replace with masteron.
or lower the dose.
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replace with masteron.
or lower the dose.
this is a good answer if you lower the dose and you still ae having issues or you change it to trenbolon eacetate like nicademus suggested you should just drop the masteron if dropping the dose does not help or changing the ester did not help. You could also take my advice wich is a little hardcore but the best things that helped me were taking benzos. Xanax will take care of alot of trenbolones nasty side effects, But if you don't want to mess around with benzos wich are addictive but cheap you should switch to another highly androgenic substance like Masteron like galeniko advised. I don't think you would have nearly the side effects.
I think the Tren side effects can be controlled but that would mean the use of addictive medication wich would be a low dose xanax or valium use, both drugs have the propertys to kill those side effects, the xanax will take away all the aniety and help you slleep like crazy.Higher dose of valium would do about the same thing but the xanax is the best benzo sold on the market,
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I like Valium though. Not addictive.
Probably I am lucky to not face much of sides even after more than a gram.
I use tren-h though.
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I had terrible side from tren too. A good replacement for a tren cycle is test npp and masteron something like this.
750 sustanon
700-1000 npp
300-500 masteron
You can easily get shredded on this and gain size. I don't use equipose or tren and I look pretty good. The npp at a high dose along with masteron will have you sweating a lot and burning fat.
I actually had to force feed carbs to not be flat all the time. I was in a very anabolic state.
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The more the mast, the better IMO.
Adding var would enhance the cycle.
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whats up guys basically i did a thread a couple of days ago about how trenbolonbe enanthate is the devil, well im stilll going through some severe anxiety issues and cant sleep. i plan on getting rid ofhe trenbolone what is a good drug that i can substitue that for?
How long have you been running it? In my experience, there's 2 to 4 week period that you need to endure to get passed the anxiety and stress sides. After that I'm good to go.
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5 weeks
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The sides from tren don't dissapear if you lower dose, they dissapear if you lower test dose. Even 200mg of tren will make you a wreck if you're on even 500mg test.
But try <200mg test with any dose of tren even 1g and you won't suffer insomnia and anger/mood/anxiety. Just strength gains.
However if you do this for a long period of time then gradually up test, sides won't be like before. At least for me that's been the case. 1G of tren is just crazy though. Anything above 500mg of tren makes me not able to eat.. tren kills appetite too much.
yup 200mg cyp and 1g tren ace =awesome and no sides
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yup 200mg cyp and 1g tren ace =awesome and no sides
1000mg of tren screams sides for me. But AAS is strictly individual.
You really have to be you're own guinea pig and push some limits and experience sides if you want to know what you can handle.
It sucks but it's really the only way to truly know.
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yup 200mg cyp and 1g tren ace =awesome and no sides
I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. 1,000mg a of tren a week is crazy high to most people but if it works for you and you don't deal with too many sides then more power to you. I am sure alot of us could get away with using a gram of tren a week. How many weeks can you keep that up for?
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This topic pisses me off a little bit because you already posted the same topic just a week ago. You didn't follow the best advice and that advice was not to just lower the dosage but you should of also tried a diffrent kind of ester(Tren acetate) would be way better. Tren acetate will get out of your blood way faster then the tren enanthate so even if you had bad sides from Tren acetate the Tren would get out of your system pretty quickly!. What exactly did you change the last week since you posted the thread? Is this your first time using Tren?
since you used it for 5 weeks what kind of gains did you get? I usually throw in Tren the last 4 weeks of a cycle and I can get some great results in just a month of Tren A use. I do admit I think Tren can be kind of nasty and does give people side effects more so then most other AAS but there are a lot of factors in your post that are not answered.
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I am starting to become inclined to agree with the "fuck trenbolone" crowd.
I've run high doses of tren for a long time now and my main issue is that only after discontinuing use do I realise the profound mental impact that drug has on me. I consider myself as the most level headed individual I have ever met but it still changes me fundamentally as a person. Test does not do this... no other steroid does this.
I think those of you who claim to have no psychological/mental sides from this drug are mistaken or simply lying and I think there are very few people in this world that stand to gain more than they lose (all things considered) by taking tren.
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I am starting to become inclined to agree with the "fuck trenbolone" crowd.
I've run high doses of tren for a long time now and my main issue is that only after discontinuing use do I realise the profound mental impact that drug has on me. I consider myself as the most level headed individual I have ever met but it still changes me fundamentally as a person. Test does not do this... no other steroid does this.
I think those of you who claim to have no psychological/mental sides from this drug are mistaken or simply lying and I think there are very few people in this world that stand to gain more than they lose (all things considered) by taking tren.
Tren Ace is the kind of drug that doesn't always affect you by " running down the street with a sawed-off" in my case it just makes me very uncaring in general which is not like me on any other hormone. It's very subtle.
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Made my blood pressure sky rocket to dangerous levels. I remember waking up in the middle of the night bursting awake from anxiety. I had to get up and pace around to catch my breath. I use to go out with my friends and always ended up getting into some kind of retarded trouble. It's a very serious hormone not to be taken lightly. Could of landed my ass in jail. Just use a good wet compound like deca or npp and add masteron there's your tren.
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I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. 1,000mg a of tren a week is crazy high to most people but if it works for you and you don't deal with too many sides then more power to you. I am sure alot of us could get away with using a gram of tren a week. How many weeks can you keep that up for?
we're both experienced tren users so 1g is comfortable to blast on. so that with low test= no sides. after comp I increased test and kept tren the same, then lowered test again. first time I did high tren I added it to high test and thought tren was much harder to handle.
I can do that no problem all the time tbh. months. normally I just cruise at 200-250 test, then when I blast im on high tren and add an oral or something else.
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This topic pisses me off a little bit because you already posted the same topic just a week ago. You didn't follow the best advice and that advice was not to just lower the dosage but you should of also tried a diffrent kind of ester(Tren acetate) would be way better. Tren acetate will get out of your blood way faster then the tren enanthate so even if you had bad sides from Tren acetate the Tren would get out of your system pretty quickly!. What exactly did you change the last week since you posted the thread? Is this your first time using Tren?
since you used it for 5 weeks what kind of gains did you get? I usually throw in Tren the last 4 weeks of a cycle and I can get some great results in just a month of Tren A use. I do admit I think Tren can be kind of nasty and does give people side effects more so then most other AAS but there are a lot of factors in your post that are not answered.
white widow i apologize if i pissed you off not my intention. again i apologize its just that this trenbelone has me going insane. i said the heck with it and bought another 10 ml bottle today. the results are crazy im just gonna have to deal with the sides. its worth it. hopefully my body adapts a bit
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we're both experienced tren users so 1g is comfortable to blast on. so that with low test= no sides. after comp I increased test and kept tren the same, then lowered test again. first time I did high tren I added it to high test and thought tren was much harder to handle.
I can do that no problem all the time tbh. months. normally I just cruise at 200-250 test, then when I blast im on high tren and add an oral or something else.
interesting, so even through the blast you keep at the 2-300 test?
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If your gonna run something long term IMO the test recommendations at a TRT dose is your best bet. It makes sense to me to run something that is made to be in your body. Tren is not made to be in your body and I've read that it's very toxic. If your not doing shows use diet to get lean not tren if you care about your health
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white widow i apologize if i pissed you off not my intention. again i apologize its just that this trenbelone has me going insane. i said the heck with it and bought another 10 ml bottle today. the results are crazy im just gonna have to deal with the sides. its worth it. hopefully my body adapts a bit
idiot
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interesting, so even through the blast you keep at the 2-300 test?
yeah I honestly just feel worse in a lot of way when I have higher test regardless of what else I run, so I rely on the anabolics.
id prefer to run, and look fuller on: tren, drol, winny, trt test. instead of tren, high test, winny
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Speaking of esters, Negma's Parabolan was human grade, the ester being hexahydrobenzylcarbonate . It had a lot of therapeutic success.
All this while, I used the same ester, manufactured by a so called ugl though.
This could be a big reason for me facing less sides.
PS- I have not tried Ace or Enan.
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Also, everyone here has to make a note of the fact that tren is 40-50 times more active in humans, than in cattle, for whom it was actually made and used.
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this is a good answer if you lower the dose and you still ae having issues or you change it to trenbolon eacetate like nicademus suggested you should just drop the masteron if dropping the dose does not help or changing the ester did not help. You could also take my advice wich is a little hardcore but the best things that helped me were taking benzos. Xanax will take care of alot of trenbolones nasty side effects, But if you don't want to mess around with benzos wich are addictive but cheap you should switch to another highly androgenic substance like Masteron like galeniko advised. I don't think you would have nearly the side effects.
I think the Tren side effects can be controlled but that would mean the use of addictive medication wich would be a low dose xanax or valium use, both drugs have the propertys to kill those side effects, the xanax will take away all the aniety and help you slleep like crazy.Higher dose of valium would do about the same thing but the xanax is the best benzo sold on the market,
yah masteron is clearly more androgenic than tren.
doesnt give the same sids, but im not sooo sure if it any healthier than tren.
something tells me it cant be healthier lol
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I like Valium though. Not addictive.
Probably I am lucky to not face much of sides even after more than a gram.
I use tren-h though.
Funniest thing I've heard in a while. ;D
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Speaking of esters, Negma's Parabolan was human grade, the ester being hexahydrobenzylcarbonate . It had a lot of therapeutic success.
All this while, I used the same ester, manufactured by a so called ugl though.
This could be a big reason for me facing less sides.
PS- I have not tried Ace or Enan.
It probably is the reason. I bet you are using alpha-pharmas parabolin wich is a pretty clean product. I have used it myself and as long as you keep a low carb diet you won't experience to many side effects, at least I didn't but who knows maybe somebody else might have side effects. I have used halo before and it turned other people who used the same brand yellow within 2 days and I used it for a whole month a the same dose and just got insane gains from the halo so depends on the person some times.
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Funniest thing I've heard in a while. ;D
well if you have experience with benzos like xanax,valium,ativan, and klonopin you will def find out all of them are very highly addictive, but if you just use valium for like 1 day or 2 days you might not have any side effects or feel sick at all but I wouldn;t push it any longer then 1 day maybe 2 days , if you use any of the 4 mentioned benzos for longer then 3-4 days you will likely have some problems just stopping cold turkey but if it just a one time use I think mpost users will be fine the next day, it only gets bad when you use them for 3-4 days in a rown then addiction can be a serious problem to some people. I didn't know how addictive xanax was and i used it for about a week and ran out and I felt very sick that day I ran out. I ended up having to go get a legal prescription but my doctor gave me ativan and it took me awhile for him to finally prescribe me xanax.
I used valium for about 30 days in a row before the xanax incident and i didn't feel nearly as bad as when I ran out of the xanax. I still did not feel good but it def was not as bad as it was when I ran out of the xanax. Probably because I was not taking nearly as much valium and I only used 10mg before bed.
Benzos are so fucking addictive and I always hate recommending them but Benzos like xanax or valium really do kill off those Tren side effects and has always killed the Trensomnia I would get.I guess it is a very poor choice but if you know how to use them responsibly and not use them daily they can be effective as they will def help you sleep and get rid of the tren sweats, you just have to know you are taking a heavily addictive drug to get rid of these side effects.
I also like it because benzos epecially xanax and valium do not make me feel foggy in the morning.I wake up feeling refreshed and ready to get on with the day, but when I recommend xanax i am only talking about 1 tab before bed to get rid of the insomnia and never use the xanax more then 2 days in a row. If you ccan handke taking just 1x 1mg xanax every other day or every 3rd day you probably have the control not to get addicted but if you start using them every day ir even EOD you should def stop. Doctors say xanax is more addictive them heroin and i didn;t believe him at first but after years if use the doctor is def right, very strong addictive stuff, I def will help with Tren side effects but you really have to use them responsibly, many other things can be tried first before you start trying xanaxn or valium. diet is one of the key things people over-look.
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i have decided i am slowly going to get off the tren by slowly decreasing dosages. side effects are just too fucking harsh i dont think its a good idea to just get off cold turkey. after using tren what would you guys recommend i can cycle with next?
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It probably is the reason. I bet you are using alpha-pharmas parabolin wich is a pretty clean product. I have used it myself and as long as you keep a low carb diet you won't experience to many side effects, at least I didn't but who knows maybe somebody else might have side effects. I have used halo before and it turned other people who used the same brand yellow within 2 days and I used it for a whole month a the same dose and just got insane gains from the halo so depends on the person some times.
tren works most efficiently on high carb mod protein low fat diet.
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tren works most efficiently on high carb mod protein low fat diet.
why
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why
this is why most calories should come from carbs and protein, and fat kept to a minimum. especially for hormone users who require less than 25g fat per day. naturals need higher fat to sustain their hormones.
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well if you have experience with benzos like xanax,valium,ativan, and klonopin you will def find out all of them are very highly addictive, but if you just use valium for like 1 day or 2 days you might not have any side effects or feel sick at all but I wouldn;t push it any longer then 1 day maybe 2 days , if you use any of the 4 mentioned benzos for longer then 3-4 days you will likely have some problems just stopping cold turkey but if it just a one time use I think mpost users will be fine the next day, it only gets bad when you use them for 3-4 days in a rown then addiction can be a serious problem to some people. I didn't know how addictive xanax was and i used it for about a week and ran out and I felt very sick that day I ran out. I ended up having to go get a legal prescription but my doctor gave me ativan and it took me awhile for him to finally prescribe me xanax.
I used valium for about 30 days in a row before the xanax incident and i didn't feel nearly as bad as when I ran out of the xanax. I still did not feel good but it def was not as bad as it was when I ran out of the xanax. Probably because I was not taking nearly as much valium and I only used 10mg before bed.
Benzos are so fucking addictive and I always hate recommending them but Benzos like xanax or valium really do kill off those Tren side effects and has always killed the Trensomnia I would get.I guess it is a very poor choice but if you know how to use them responsibly and not use them daily they can be effective as they will def help you sleep and get rid of the tren sweats, you just have to know you are taking a heavily addictive drug to get rid of these side effects.
I also like it because benzos epecially xanax and valium do not make me feel foggy in the morning.I wake up feeling refreshed and ready to get on with the day, but when I recommend xanax i am only talking about 1 tab before bed to get rid of the insomnia and never use the xanax more then 2 days in a row. If you ccan handke taking just 1x 1mg xanax every other day or every 3rd day you probably have the control not to get addicted but if you start using them every day ir even EOD you should def stop. Doctors say xanax is more addictive them heroin and i didn;t believe him at first but after years if use the doctor is def right, very strong addictive stuff, I def will help with Tren side effects but you really have to use them responsibly, many other things can be tried first before you start trying xanaxn or valium. diet is one of the key things people over-look.
yeah, if you use any benzo regularly for long enough you will have a hell of a time coming off. In fact nobody should attempt coming off cold turkey after being on them for a long period of time since they can cause seizures and even death in some cases. There's a withdrawal procedure written by a doctor online where the benzo use is eliminated gradually by the use of valium due to its long half life.
Actually here it is if anyone wants to see it... http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/
It's not that valium is any less addictive but the fact that it's effects are long acting it makes it easier to wean yourself off them. In the above link its stated that all these drugs are not recommended for periods of over 2-4 weeks and I used valium for like 6 months and came off cold turkey. :-X
Funny thing is I got hooked on it trying to counteract the effects of another drug and ended up worse in the end.
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I checked into detox the 2nd to last time I kicked, befire I got clean. .... I was kicking heroin and benzos.... it was the worst experience of my life..... had the nurses practically attached to my hip, blood pressure was critically high for 3 days (like 200/130 or some shit, I was too out of it to remember the 2nd number correctly but it was over 100)... felt like I was going to tear my skin open and climb out of it, nerves on fire, wanting to run around the room screaming and punching things but was too exhausted too move....
its horrible. I dont recommend it to anyone.
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yah masteron is clearly more androgenic than tren.
doesnt give the same sids, but im not sooo sure if it any healthier than tren.
something tells me it cant be healthier lol
on paper tren is much more androgenic than masteron. could be you're just more sensitive to mast b/c of if it being a dht derivative.
that said, I don't get much sides from high androgenic 19-nor's like tren and methyltrienolone... dht drugs like winstrol and masteron seem to give more 'sides' than the 19-nors in me. sides meaning oilier skin and a general "icky" feeling. (lol.. that sounded gay as hell)
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on paper tren is much more androgenic than masteron. could be you're just more sensitive to mast b/c of if it being a dht derivative.
that said, I don't get much sides from high androgenic 19-nor's like tren and methyltrienolone... dht drugs like winstrol and masteron seem to give more 'sides' than the 19-nors in me. sides meaning oilier skin and a general "icky" feeling. (lol.. that sounded gay as hell)
yeah im the same way too. masteron is hard on the prostate, its hard to piss when Ive used it in the past. rather just bump my tren dose
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I checked into detox the 2nd to last time I kicked, befire I got clean. .... I was kicking heroin and benzos.... it was the worst experience of my life..... had the nurses practically attached to my hip, blood pressure was critically high for 3 days (like 200/130 or some shit, I was too out of it to remember the 2nd number correctly but it was over 100)... felt like I was going to tear my skin open and climb out of it, nerves on fire, wanting to run around the room screaming and punching things but was too exhausted too move....
its horrible. I dont recommend it to anyone.
I couldn't think of a worse combination to come off of...
Valium alone was pretty rough man, I couldn't leave the house for a couple weeks lol
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I couldn't think of a worse combination to come off of...
Valium alone was pretty rough man, I couldn't leave the house for a couple weeks lol
valium is very weak though, but regardless, im happy that your all good now.
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valium is very weak though, but regardless, im happy that your all good now.
30mg a day doesn't feel too weak ;D ...but thanks!
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30mg a day doesn't feel too weak ;D ...but thanks!
I didn't mean to judge or demean you. I had no idea how much you were or needed to take, Im sure its sucked. Im sorry if I offended. Im happy your better now.
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I didn't mean to judge or demean you. I had no idea how much you were or needed to take, Im sure its sucked. Im sorry if I offended. Im happy your better now.
No worries. I did it to myself trying to counteract other side effects just as it's been brought up in the thread.
Anyone reading this should know the consequences of taking any of the benzo class of drugs. When I speak about my experience is to try to inform others instead of making myself look better, its not something to be proud of.
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No worries. I did it to myself trying to counteract other side effects just as it's been brought up in the thread.
Anyone reading this should know the consequences of taking any of the benzo class of drugs. When I speak about my experience is to try to inform others instead of making myself look better, its not something to be proud of.
My neighbour died from Xanax withdrawal, took em for years daily, more and more.
Went cold turkey. Died. Almost 2 yrs now.
He was taking them for no reason, he took it for the buzz.
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My neighbour died from Xanax withdrawal, took em for years daily, more and more.
Went cold turkey. Died. Almost 2 yrs now.
He was taking them for no reason, he took it for the buzz.
I remember you mentioning this on the forum before bro. Its not something I would forget but I just didn't wanna bring it up.
If anyone has been using benzos for extended periods of time best to check the link I put up above if you wanna stop.
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A Successful Offseason - Drug Use, Diet and Training
The goal of "offseason" is simple: gain as much muscle as possible. As such, there is no need to over complicate things with lots of exotic drugs, odd training programs and difficult to follow diets.
Drugs:
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- CRUISE @ 1,000mg testosterone, 1000mg eq, 600mg deca per week, 10iu hGH everyday
- BLAST 6-8 weeks @ 2,000mg testosterone (add 1,000mg prop or TNE per week), 1200mg deca (add 600mg NPP), 1,000mg eq, 100mg dbol, 100mg anadrol pre workout, 20iu hgh IV post workout, 15iu humalog before breakfast and before training
Diet:
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- 6-8 meals per day of large amounts of "clean" foods. Mostly red meat is ideal for weight gain. 2 medium sweet potatoes or 1-2 cup oats with every meal. If weight plateaus start adding 1-2 tbsp olive oil with every meal. If weight still plateaus replace 1 meal with 2 fast food double bacon cheeseburgers.
Training:
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Heavy lifting to failure 3-4x per week only. Mostly compound movements. "5x5" is an ideal routine for offseason. Especially during the blasts, go as heavy as possible (within good form and for 5-6 reps).*
BFG^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I remember you mentioning this on the forum before bro. Its not something I would forget but I just didn't wanna bring it up.
If anyone has been using benzos for extended periods of time best to check the link I put up above if you wanna stop.
My best friend from high school was a xanax junkie for a while. One night he went out drinking after taking a bunch of xanax, he came home and passed out, never woke up.
The amount of alcohol in his blood combined with xanax literally stopped his breathing while he slept.
He was 21 years old and a very good guy. He just liked to get high and was taking the xanax because he was trying to beat a meth problem.
Truly a troubled soul, but he was a good guy even while being fucked up on drugs. He would do anything for a friend and we were best friends for 5 years before he died. I tried to help him off the drugs, but he was very stubborn.
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My best friend from high school was a xanax junkie for a while. One night he went out drinking after taking a bunch of xanax, he came home and passed out, never woke up.
The amount of alcohol in his blood combined with xanax literally stopped his breathing while he slept.
He was 21 years old and a very good guy. He just liked to get high and was taking the xanax because he was trying to beat a meth problem.
Truly a troubled soul, but he was a good guy even while being fucked up on drugs. He would do anything for a friend and we were best friends for 5 years before he died. I tried to help him off the drugs, but he was very stubborn.
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Sucks man rip to your friend drug addiction is torture.
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It probably is the reason. I bet you are using alpha-pharmas parabolin wich is a pretty clean product. I have used it myself and as long as you keep a low carb diet you won't experience to many side effects, at least I didn't but who knows maybe somebody else might have side effects. I have used halo before and it turned other people who used the same brand yellow within 2 days and I used it for a whole month a the same dose and just got insane gains from the halo so depends on the person some times.
You are right on the spot. After all these years, Alpha Pharma is still giving consistent results with the least sides.
The purity of their products is very high and the best part is they come in amps.
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My best friend from high school was a xanax junkie for a while. One night he went out drinking after taking a bunch of xanax, he came home and passed out, never woke up.
The amount of alcohol in his blood combined with xanax literally stopped his breathing while he slept.
He was 21 years old and a very good guy. He just liked to get high and was taking the xanax because he was trying to beat a meth problem.
Truly a troubled soul, but he was a good guy even while being fucked up on drugs. He would do anything for a friend and we were best friends for 5 years before he died. I tried to help him off the drugs, but he was very stubborn.
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Shitty deal bro!
Sorry for your loss.
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update= trenbolone is no joke i am now on 3 straight DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SLEEP. YET IM STILL ABLE TO HIM THE GYM HARD AS HELL. PROBLEM IS AT NIGHT WHEN I TRY TO SLEEP FEEL LIKE IM SUFFOCATING AND ANXIETY IS NUTS. IM ALSO BATTLING THE FLU SO IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
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Just STOP using tren right now. You have severe insomnia. Fucking three days without sleep is like inviting a lot of trouble
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update= trenbolone is no joke i am now on 3 straight DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SLEEP. YET IM STILL ABLE TO HIM THE GYM HARD AS HELL. PROBLEM IS AT NIGHT WHEN I TRY TO SLEEP FEEL LIKE IM SUFFOCATING AND ANXIETY IS NUTS. IM ALSO BATTLING THE FLU SO IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
Take two Benedryl and get some sleep.
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update= trenbolone is no joke i am now on 3 straight DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SLEEP. YET IM STILL ABLE TO HIM THE GYM HARD AS HELL. PROBLEM IS AT NIGHT WHEN I TRY TO SLEEP FEEL LIKE IM SUFFOCATING AND ANXIETY IS NUTS. IM ALSO BATTLING THE FLU SO IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
if you are battling a flu, dont inject anything, Injecting will only make you feverish, get better then resume.
I stop all injection when I get flu symptoms.
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update= trenbolone is no joke i am now on 3 straight DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SLEEP. YET IM STILL ABLE TO HIM THE GYM HARD AS HELL. PROBLEM IS AT NIGHT WHEN I TRY TO SLEEP FEEL LIKE IM SUFFOCATING AND ANXIETY IS NUTS. IM ALSO BATTLING THE FLU SO IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
ha thats nothing i know a guy who done 2 weeks non stop on coke ;D
get sleeping pills.stilnox is like ko from god personaly.
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This thread should be renamed "love trenbolone passionately".
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update= trenbolone is no joke i am now on 3 straight DAYS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SLEEP. YET IM STILL ABLE TO HIM THE GYM HARD AS HELL. PROBLEM IS AT NIGHT WHEN I TRY TO SLEEP FEEL LIKE IM SUFFOCATING AND ANXIETY IS NUTS. IM ALSO BATTLING THE FLU SO IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
How much test are you taking? If you are taking more than 200mg test-e/c, drop to 200mg or even 100mg, you will thank me later.
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ha thats nothing i know a guy who done 2 weeks non stop on coke ;D
get sleeping pills.stilnox is like ko from god personaly.
avoid that shit.
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How much test are you taking? If you are taking more than 200mg test-e/c, drop to 200mg or even 100mg, you will thank me later.
test E 400 twice a week for a total of 800 mg a week. with tren E 200 twice a week for a total of 400 mg
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test E 400 twice a week for a total of 800 mg a week. with tren E 200 twice a week for a total of 400 mg
im gonna cut these dosages in half beginning tomorow or replace the trenbelone with equipoise
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Drop the bloody test to 200mg and up the tren to 400mg, wait a week or so and you'll see a change and disappearance in sides.
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Drop the bloody test to 200mg and up the tren to 400mg, wait a week or so and you'll see a change and disappearance in sides.
[/quote i will do this chief. thanks this is what im gonna do.
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Drop the bloody test to 200mg and up the tren to 400mg, wait a week or so and you'll see a change and disappearance in sides.
[/quote i will do this chief. thanks this is what im gonna do.
i will follow this
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Drop the bloody test to 200mg and up the tren to 400mg, wait a week or so and you'll see a change and disappearance in sides.
X2.
Drop test completely. Bump up the tren to 400-500.
Once you notice you are starting to shrink, then. reintroduce test to 200mg.
Will wash away all sides.
No need for any other sleeping aid.
That is all you need to do.
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well... I'm on day 2 of damn near zero sleep.
Saturday night got maybe 2hours shitty sleep... last night/sunday night got maybe 1hour, if any..
not a drop of trenbolone in me... but on week 3 of 4g test enan and 2g deca with 100-150mg/day dbol.
can't sleep a wink and all I wanna do is eat all day. lol... mostly sushi.
actually, I take that back, Saturday afternoon, got home after putting down about 20pieces of Bluefin, toro, and salmon sushi, plus a deep fried California roll, and I passed out for 4hours on my sofa.. great sleep. been awake since, thinking about the next time I'm gonna eat sushi... and what kinda sushi I'm gonna eat. the hour of sleep I DID get last night/this morning, was spent dreaming of making wasabi and spicy mayo (wtf kinda dream is that? lol).
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Now that is what I call a wet dream.
Lol bro, you sound like a real starved man
;D
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well... I'm on day 2 of damn near zero sleep.
Saturday night got maybe 2hours shitty sleep... last night/sunday night got maybe 1hour, if any..
not a drop of trenbolone in me... but on week 3 of 4g test enan and 2g deca with 100-150mg/day dbol.
can't sleep a wink and all I wanna do is eat all day. lol... mostly sushi.
actually, I take that back, Saturday afternoon, got home after putting down about 20pieces of Bluefin, toro, and salmon sushi, plus a deep fried California roll, and I passed out for 4hours on my sofa.. great sleep. been awake since, thinking about the next time I'm gonna eat sushi... and what kinda sushi I'm gonna eat. the hour of sleep I DID get last night/this morning, was spent dreaming of making wasabi and spicy mayo (wtf kinda dream is that? lol).
do you run gh with all of your aas?
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X2.
Drop test completely. Bump up the tren to 400-500.
Once you notice you are starting to shrink, then. reintroduce test to 200mg.
Will wash away all sides.
No need for any other sleeping aid.
That is all you need to do.
This is great, if you don't have any pussy at the moment. Other wise, drop test in half. You should be okay.
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X2.
Drop test completely. Bump up the tren to 400-500.
Once you notice you are starting to shrink, then. reintroduce test to 200mg.
Will wash away all sides.
No need for any other sleeping aid.
That is all you need to do.
What would happen if say 8 weeks after you increase test to 200, you increase it to 400?
What if you also bumped the tren up?
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a combo of masteron and anavar
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a combo of masteron and anavar
Oh my, I have been off tren since September when I got shredded, man oh man did I just cough a lung off my first shot, fuck can not even take in deep breaths right now, shit is potent, wow.
just took a shot BTW, going to skip the shot of test ace now since that one hit me so hard. dam