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Do you think on an ARMS day its better than doing lets say bis first and then tris?
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How often? Not very often.
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Well i don't give arms they're own day, so i generally train tris and bi's seperately. That being said, i don't really do direct bi work that much.
Anyway, i'd go with supersets. Seems like a time effecient way of training and gets a good pump in the arms.
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never.
when i train both on the same day i always start with tris
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Personal preference. Some like it for the psychological effect of flushing the entire area, and/or because it can save a little time in each workout. I've always preferred to focus on one muscle more thoroughly at a time. The better use of supersets IMO is compound supersets, 2 consecutive sets done for the same rather than opposing muscles. This term is often confused with using only compound exercises, whereas i'm talking about using any 2 isolation or compound exercises for the same muscle consecutively.
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If I work bis and tris together, I alternate bi and tri moves, for 3 -4 sets. First a curl, all sets, then an extension, all sets.
Back to a curl, then an extension. You stay real strong all the way through. That being said, I usualy work tris with chest, and bis with back. :)
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I alternate bi and tri moves, for 3 -4 sets. First a curl, all sets, then an extension, all sets.
Back to a curl, then an extension.
That's an interesting permutation of the usual superset approach worth trying. I saw someone do something different like that, also worth trying-he supersetted 2 exercises for the same muscle in superset fashion, but with the usual minute rest in between sets.
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i workout triceps then biceps. my last movement for triceps is super setted with my first movement for biceps. both are high rep...but one is a burn out and one is a warm up. normally it will be something like rope pull downs and cable curls.
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but one is a burn out and one is a warm up. normally it will be something like rope pull downs and cable curls.
It's common to use something like this for a final burn out; also worth trying at the start or middle or a workout instead.
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It's common to use something like this for a final burn out; also worth trying at the start or middle or a workout instead.
whaddya mean ?
heres what i am saying
straight bar push downs
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
overhead dumbell extension
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
close grip bench
warm up
warm up
waork set
work set
rope pull downs/cable curls
rpd burn out
cc warm up
rpd burn out
cc warm up
rpd burn out
cc warm up
barbell curls
warm up
warm up
waorkj set
work set
alt. dumbell curls
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
front double bicep curls
burn out
burn out
burn out
done.
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whaddya mean ?
Use what you've described as part of the main course of the workout, instead of just at the beginning/end. Sometimes we get locked in to suppositions of how something's only good as a finishing technique, etc. when it's not necessarily true.
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I don't
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If I'm training arms in one workout, I'll do something like:
CG Bench - 4 x 12/10/8/8
Barbell curl - 4 x 12/10/8/8
Lying extensions - 3 x 10
DB Curls - 3 x 10
then a superset of:
Pressdowns with Preacher curls - 3 x 15
The superset at the end is to get a lot of blood in there to finish.
There have been studies done that show that when supersetting antagonistic muscles, you are actually stronger in the second movement. E.g. Start with a set of lying extensions, then go straight to barbell curls, you will be stronger in the curls than you would be if doing regular sets.
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you should start with which ever is weaker.I superset at the end of bi's leading into tri's.
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There have been studies done that show that when supersetting antagonistic muscles, you are actually stronger in the second movement. E.g. Start with a set of lying extensions, then go straight to barbell curls, you will be stronger in the curls than you would be if doing regular sets.
I don't know about that.
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I don't know about that.
I'll have a dig around and see if I can find it, although admittedly it was a magazine article. :-\
I think it was one of those, "Univ. of x did a study and found..." mini articles.
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you should start with which ever is weaker.I superset at the end of bi's leading into tri's.
everyboyd is different and i dont want to tell anybody what they should or should not do. everyone should stick to what works best for them.
but consider the following
99% of guys have overpowering biceps, because they train equal sets and equal reps with biceps and triceps and follow this mantra. the tricep is the larger muscle and is three heads, the bicep is a smaller muscle and is two heads. a roportional andaesthetic arm will be 2/3 tricep and 1/3 bicep.
IMO the tricep should get more sets than the bicep and and should be trained first.
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If I'm training arms in one workout, I'll do something like:
CG Bench - 4 x 12/10/8/8
Barbell curl - 4 x 12/10/8/8
Lying extensions - 3 x 10
DB Curls - 3 x 10
then a superset of:
Pressdowns with Preacher curls - 3 x 15
The superset at the end is to get a lot of blood in there to finish.
There have been studies done that show that when supersetting antagonistic muscles, you are actually stronger in the second movement. E.g. Start with a set of lying extensions, then go straight to barbell curls, you will be stronger in the curls than you would be if doing regular sets.
I believe thats true because i noticed it on Friday when i did supersets.
Although i do supersets once in a couple of months, not too often.
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everyboyd is different and i dont want to tell anybody what they should or should not do. everyone should stick to what works best for them.
but consider the following
99% of guys have overpowering biceps, because they train equal sets and equal reps with biceps and triceps and follow this mantra. the tricep is the larger muscle and is three heads, the bicep is a smaller muscle and is two heads. a roportional andaesthetic arm will be 2/3 tricep and 1/3 bicep.
IMO the tricep should get more sets than the bicep and and should be trained first.
alot of people don't know what works for them.my tri's are Superior to my bi's.because of this it makes sense to train bi's when I'm fresh early in the workout.and if I did what you suggest having more sets for tri's than bi's I would look very disproportionate.as I said my tri's genetically respond better than bi's.but your right everone is different.
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if I did what you suggest having more sets for tri's than bi's I would look very disproportionate.as I said my tri's genetically respond better than bi's.but your right everone is different.
Exactly, it's case by case, not so easy to generalize as to what to do first or what's more developed, varies by the individual.
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Do you think on an ARMS day its better than doing lets say bis first and then tris?
I like having an "arms" day. I probably train arms twice a week.
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I like having an "arms" day. I probably train arms twice a week.
I've been divided for years on this one. I love arm day; but it taxes your entire training split; following arm day, can't do chest, shoulder or back... well you can but you'll interrupt the recovery and little grow will occur...
My best mass split:
Day 1 morning: Chest- front shoulder 1 triceps 'heavy' exercise. evening: light triceps
Day 2 morning Legs
Day 3 morning back - side delts 1 biceps'heavy' ex. evening: light biceps
Day 3 off.
Biggest I've been was on this routine.
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following arm day, can't do chest, shoulder or back...
thats bullshit dude.. get that out of flex magazing mr.google?? ::)
anyway you could try this on for size
day one = chest tris bis
day two = quads hams calves
day three = back shoulders traps
day four = rest
day five = repeat day one
etc etc
;)
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following arm day, can't do chest, shoulder or back... well you can but you'll interrupt the recovery and little grow will occur...
Nosaka K, Newton M. Repeated eccentric exercise bouts do not exacerbate muscle damage and repair. 2005 Feb;16(1):117-22
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I've been divided for years on this one. I love arm day; but it taxes your entire training split; following arm day, can't do chest, shoulder or back... well you can but you'll interrupt the recovery and little grow will occur...
My best mass split:
Same here dude.if I'm not combining them with another body part I always do them on Fri.
I lift all week and take off weekends so I have time to rest before the week starts.
as for tri's first,bi's first,supersets.I don't ever do the same workout so that doesn't matter 2 me.
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I've been divided for years on this one. I love arm day; but it taxes your entire training split; following arm day, can't do chest, shoulder or back... well you can but you'll interrupt the recovery and little grow will occur...
My best mass split:
Day 1 morning: Chest- front shoulder 1 triceps 'heavy' exercise. evening: light triceps
Day 2 morning Legs
Day 3 morning back - side delts 1 biceps'heavy' ex. evening: light biceps
Day 3 off.
Biggest I've been was on this routine.
True. I'll usually do one "detail" oriented arms day (maybe Tuesday) & then a heavy arms day on Saturday & take Sunday off. Because of some back problems I don't go too crazy when it comes to back so I'll usually hit back after training arms on Tuesday. Seems to workour ok for now.
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True. I'll usually do one "detail" oriented arms day (maybe Tuesday) & then a heavy arms day on Saturday & take Sunday off. Because of some back problems I don't go too crazy when it comes to back so I'll usually hit back after training arms on Tuesday. Seems to workour ok for now.
Same here, back problems tend to slow me down; herniated a disk 2 years ago and although it recovered, it still flares up once in a while...
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Same here, back problems tend to slow me down; herniated a disk 2 years ago and although it recovered, it still flares up once in a while...
Don't get me started on that. I've got a herniated L4 & L5. It flares up from time to time still. I've just learned to work around it. Basically no heavy squats, no heavy leg presses, & no heavy deadlifts. Now for legs & back it's lighter weight & higher reps.
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Don't get me started on that. I've got a herniated L4 & L5. It flares up from time to time still. I've just learned to work around it. Basically no heavy squats, no heavy leg presses, & no heavy deadlifts. Now for legs & back it's lighter weight & higher reps.
Sciatica?
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I superset bicep/triceps regularly, keep the blood in the arms.
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Every Monday:
3 sets ez-bar curls
3 sets widegrip pushdowns
3 sets preacher curls
2 sets one arm pushdowns
2 sets reverse one arm pushdown
2 sets straight bar curl
3 sets close grip bench
1 set of hammer curls
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Every Monday:
3 sets ez-bar curls
3 sets widegrip pushdowns
3 sets preacher curls
2 sets one arm pushdowns
2 sets reverse one arm pushdown
2 sets straight bar curl
3 sets close grip bench
1 set of hammer curls
overtrain much? sweet jesus!
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overtrain much? sweet jesus!
It's not really that much volume IMO. 9 sets for bis and 10 for tris.
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I used to do chest/tris Monday, back/bis Tuesday, then a high-rep bis/tris supersetted workout on Friday. Worked ok, I suppose.
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Sciatica?
Pretty much...got most of the symptoms. :'(
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overtrain much? sweet jesus!
That's not that bad.
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I hardly ever superset. I do prefer to train bis and tris on the same day though. Just not super-setted. (maybe I should?) I alternate every other set from biceps to triceps. Occasionally I will switch it up and do biceps w chest and triceps with shoulders, etc.
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I do prefer to train bis and tris on the same day though. Just not super-setted. (maybe I should?)
Try it for a while and see whether it appeals psychologically and whether you think it's hitting the muscles better. Supersetting opposing muscles doesn't work for me.
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Try it for a while and see whether it appeals psychologically and whether you think it's hitting the muscles better. Supersetting opposing muscles doesn't work for me.
Its not like I have NEVER supersetted. I just know it will be mostly a pump effect and Im trying to get more out of my workout than that. I think its good to occasionally throw in the mixxx. Sure.
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Its not like I have NEVER supersetted. I just know it will be mostly a pump effect and Im trying to get more out of my workout than that. I think its good to occasionally throw in the mixxx. Sure.
Well you asked whether you should do it, make up your mind lol maybe it's something worth trying for a little longer before giving up, or not. I think it takes at least a few weeks doing something to know.
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whaddya mean ?
heres what i am saying
straight bar push downs
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
overhead dumbell extension
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
close grip bench
warm up
warm up
waork set
work set
rope pull downs/cable curls
rpd burn out
cc warm up
rpd burn out
cc warm up
rpd burn out
cc warm up
barbell curls
warm up
warm up
waorkj set
work set
alt. dumbell curls
warm up
warm up
work set
work set
front double bicep curls
burn out
burn out
burn out
done.
why are you doing so many warm up sets? ???
once a muscle is warmed up, it's warmed up, you don't need to do it for EVERY exercise IMO