gh15 is officially a few beers short of a six-pack!

[Bobby]

Surely those ppl couldn't be upset with such a high level pro as you ?

[G o a t b o y]

,,your goverment handle you with soft gloves,,they let go so many things you wouldnt imagine how much the goverment let go just because they know every one was young at one time and everyone does stupid things,,the american goverment when it comes to human behavior is superb,,it  know exactly who need to be taken out and who not and it is far from stupid

You're giving the government too much credit.  What you say may or may not be true at the top policy levels, but what you're forgeting is that overzealous individuals exist in law enforcement who are not so reasonable or who may be looking to make a name for themselves.

[G o a t b o y]

because its nto the goverment i wanna stay annonymous from,,its from the few bad apples in the sport and industry of bodybuilding ,,

LOL, that's rich...    gh15 isn't afraid of the government, yet he's afraid of individuals in the all-powerful "bodybuilding industry".    Here's a reality check for you, gh15:  no one in the bodybuilding industry is "powerful" in the overall sense of the term.  The bodybuilding industry doesn't amount to squat in the big picture.  It isn't even a flea on the dog that is the overall economy and power structure.  Any individual with true power could squash the bodybuilding industry like a bug without expending much effort.

Hope this helps. 



Maybe it's really the little green men from Planet Nirubu gh15 is afraid of! 

[gh15]

You're giving the government too much credit.  What you say may or may not be true at the top policy levels, but what you're forgeting is that overzealous individuals exist in law enforcement who are not so reasonable or who may be looking to make a name for themselves.

those people sit in the lower levels of police,,they are local town nobodys and are temporary positions and do take the laws into their hand many times but at the end when it gets high enough the greedy law enforcment is being taken care of and dismissed from duty and in most cases jailed and taken care of ,,but you are right in littlw no where to be found some of the police think they are god because no one else would do this job ,,those towns are of 2000people,,someone need to do the policing duties and those are the places where abuse happen,,biger cities around the world abuse happen but its always controlled and in the usa the abuse in big cities by police is only happened to the poor,,again if youre rich you are invinsible ,,and that is true to every place around the world,,peole want to be able to bring the check back hoime to the wife and the kids,,they dont wanna stay jobless,,abuse is part of scociety and it happens but not as much as you think it does

[G o a t b o y]

those people sit in the lower levels of police,,they are local town nobodys and are temporary positions and do take the laws into their hand many times but at the end when it gets high enough the greedy law enforcment is being taken care of and dismissed from duty and in most cases jailed and taken care of ,,but you are right in littlw no where to be found some of the police think they are god because no one else would do this job ,,those towns are of 2000people,,someone need to do the policing duties and those are the places where abuse happen,,biger cities around the world abuse happen but its always controlled and in the usa the abuse in big cities by police is only happened to the poor,,again if youre rich you are invinsible ,,and that is true to every place around the world,,peole want to be able to bring the check back hoime to the wife and the kids,,they dont wanna stay jobless,,abuse is part of scociety and it happens but not as much as you think it does

I'm not just talking about low-level cops...  I'm also talking about District Attorneys and US Attorneys who either want to generate publicity for personal reasons, or who are fundamentalists about "enforcing da law".

[gh15]

LOL, that's rich...    gh15 isn't afraid of the government, yet he's afraid of individuals in the all-powerful "bodybuilding industry".    Here's a reality check for you, gh15:  no one in the bodybuilding industry is "powerful" in the overall sense of the term.  The bodybuilding industry doesn't amount to squat in the big picture.  It isn't even a flea on the dog that is the overall economy and power structure.  Any individual with true power could squash the bodybuilding industry like a bug without expending much effort.

Hope this helps. 



Maybe it's really the little green men from Planet Nirubu gh15 is afraid of! 

let me open your eyes a littele my fellow green friend,,,hormones bring couple billions in profit yearly around the world,,prostitution too and it happens all the time in nevada...why? cuz the rich want it to happen,,,casinos too why? cause donald want it to happen,,,oil too why? caue bush the son want it to happen,,its not the goverment that is the one to worry from for someone like gh15,,if you knew anything about the hormone supply around the world you would know that the mafia find hormones as interesting form of money makers last 10-15 years,,i not talking about no top bodybuilders,,im talking about the ones who make bodybuilding possible,,those are the ones im talking about ,,the donald trumps of the hormone world,,the same ones who supply casino and prostitution ,,same ones who provide you with porn sites,,THE MAFIA or in other words ORGANIZED CRIME

[G o a t b o y]

i not talking about no top bodybuilders,,im talking about the ones who make bodybuilding possible,,those are the ones im talking about ,,the donald trumps of the hormone world,,the same ones who supply casino and prostitution ,,same ones who provide you with porn sites,,THE MAFIA or in other words ORGANIZED CRIME

"Hi!  Come with me back to Planet Nirubu and I'll protect you from the big bad mafia, gh15!"

[littlemack]

Well I am with you GH15 with regards to so many UG's being shut down. However, are you saying that you work closely with the US Gov't? If that is the case then are you not indeed a rat?

True, hormones are legal to purchase in many countries worldwide but not all countries. Gov't does things based on how much the public complains. Right now, they don't care if your UG, International Supplier, or a somewhat legit American pharmacy like Signature. They will try to take you down regardless. Mexico sales are already dead and that supply has already been cut off. Signature, which is where MOST of the athelete sales was happening has been shut down. Pharma grade is now only more easily obtainable from other 2nd and 3rd world countries. In other words, I don't see this going anywhere good in regards to steroids for bodybuilders or athletes. The Gov't will continue to attack it from all angles as long as the American people and media continue to sensationalize the issue. Even HRT clinics in the US that are selling LEGIT US PHARMA GRADE. It makes no difference is what I'm saying. The US GOV't will go after all Steroid Sales for recreational and sports use. Why? Because of the media Witch Hunt that is going on.

Lastly, I don't doubt that you may be an IFBB pro or retired Pro. You may be able to walk down the street to the nearest Farmacia and pickup whatever you want... Those days will come closer and closer to an end though... More Countries will feel the pressure from neighboring countries to restrict sales. The US will become more and more involved at pursuading those countries to do so... Its going nowhere good. I assure you.

[G o a t b o y]

Gov't does things based on how much the public complains. Right now, they don't care if your UG, International Supplier, or a somewhat legit American pharmacy like Signature. They will try to take you down regardless. Mexico sales are already dead and that supply has already been cut off. Signature, which is where MOST of the athelete sales was happening has been shut down. Pharma grade is now only more easily obtainable from other 2nd and 3rd world countries. In other words, I don't see this going anywhere good in regards to steroids for bodybuilders or athletes. The Gov't will continue to attack it from all angles as long as the American people and media continue to sensationalize the issue. Even HRT clinics in the US that are selling LEGIT US PHARMA GRADE. It makes no difference is what I'm saying. The US GOV't will go after all Steroid Sales for recreational and sports use. Why? Because of the media Witch Hunt that is going on.

Lastly, I don't doubt that you may be an IFBB pro or retired Pro. You may be able to walk down the street to the nearest Farmacia and pickup whatever you want... Those days will come closer and closer to an end though... More Countries will feel the pressure from neighboring countries to restrict sales. The US will become more and more involved at pursuading those countries to do so... Its going nowhere good. I assure you.

Most realistic post on the subject I've read yet.  gh15's theory that the US govt crackdown is about tainted UG supplies has always sounded a bit hollow, given that UG wouldn't even exist if legit pharma was available.  You're absolutely right, this is about the media feeding frenzy on steroids, and as a result ALL supplies are being attacked and are at risk.

[gh15]

Well I am with you GH15 with regards to so many UG's being shut down. However, are you saying that you work closely with the US Gov't? If that is the case then are you not indeed a rat?

True, hormones are legal to purchase in many countries worldwide but not all countries. Gov't does things based on how much the public complains. Right now, they don't care if your UG, International Supplier, or a somewhat legit American pharmacy like Signature. They will try to take you down regardless. Mexico sales are already dead and that supply has already been cut off. Signature, which is where MOST of the athelete sales was happening has been shut down. Pharma grade is now only more easily obtainable from other 2nd and 3rd world countries. In other words, I don't see this going anywhere good in regards to steroids for bodybuilders or athletes. The Gov't will continue to attack it from all angles as long as the American people and media continue to sensationalize the issue. Even HRT clinics in the US that are selling LEGIT US PHARMA GRADE. It makes no difference is what I'm saying. The US GOV't will go after all Steroid Sales for recreational and sports use. Why? Because of the media Witch Hunt that is going on.

Lastly, I don't doubt that you may be an IFBB pro or retired Pro. You may be able to walk down the street to the nearest Farmacia and pickup whatever you want... Those days will come closer and closer to an end though... More Countries will feel the pressure from neighboring countries to restrict sales. The US will become more and more involved at pursuading those countries to do so... Its going nowhere good. I assure you.

good posting,, few pointers though
gh15 is not a rat,,you cant be a rat when 90% of poice officer use hormones,,this is the problem youre not aware how many police oficer aronud the world are on hormones,,a lot more than you think ,,its not only ron and bobbie

seoncdly,,oh there is abig diff between the approach being tken for underground and their manufacorers to human grade,,the goverment let off many of the human grade because of a reason i said it beforre and i wont go to detail why,,the goverment know about them but they will not be touched

you must understand that the world is a big place,,,if you kow the way the usa govermnt works you will know that it is dependent of who gioverns,,in anycase not republicans nor democrats decide anything when it comes to hormones around the world,,each country decide in its sovern teriroty how it approaches the issue of hormones,,hormones are legal and not controlled in many countries ,,in some they are legal and controled but ! it is leagal every wheree including the usa,,
AGAIN you will not be taken to jail for hormones as a self user in the usa unless you had previous problems with law and or involve in narcotics and recreationals,,most you dumb kids who do this on usa grounds are greedy and involved with narcotics and recs and do bodybuilding if you do it for the wrong reasons aka GETTING PUSSY AS MNAY PUSSYS AS YOU CAN,,you dont do it truly for the love of lifting,,the goverment in usa knows who is who and what is what,,they do not take you out unless you were doing something that was bordering serious real crime such as distribution of recreational drugs inaddition to hormones,,distribution of chinease garbage  powders from suppliers and manuafactoreres in china that provide with recreation poweders also in addition to very poisionous poweders that no one has a clue to what it actually has in it ,,your eyes would become black if you knew,,your goverment dont give 2 shits about individual users of hormones period!,,if they did all this board would be siting uynder heavy fines now and sit in jail,,you got the ifbb operates freely and wwe and gladiators and this and that,,,what are you talking bout? those all organizations operates free in usa grounds,,YOUR GOVERMENT IS VERY VERY KIND TO YOU,,YOU ARE THE GOVERMENT

the reason you are taken down is this ,,read what gh15 tellin you very carefully with no assumptions,,WHEN NORDICT SEND LISTS ON AN OPEN EMAILS OR SECYRE EMAILS ABOUT POWEDERS THAT SOME OF THEM ARE NARCOTIC IN ITS NATURE AND RAPE DRUG PODERS ,,WHEN NORDIC OFFER PAINKILLER POWEDERS,,WHEN  THE MAIN  PEOPLE OF YOU OFFER DRUGS WHO DONT BELONG IN SOCIETY ....THAT IS WHEN ACTION IS BEING TAKEN,,IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE AGAINST THE PERSON BUT IT IS TAKEN AGSINT THE OPERATION,,THE GOVERMENT HAS A MISSION TO KEEP ITS PEOPLE SAFE ,,IT MUST DO IT TO KEEP STABILITY IN SOCIETY,,

all i can tell you is that when you guys start giving out lists to every wanna be that include poweders from red china the worst communist nation in the world offering narcotic poweders so people could put it in their local victim girl drink and rape some 18 year old,,THEN YOUR GOVERMENT ACT

if you are smart and i think you are you will understand everything gh15 says
rest of personal users of hormones are safe ,,and this will never end,,its just the bad apples are taken out

[gh15]

Most realistic post on the subject I've read yet.  gh15's theory that the US govt crackdown is about tainted UG supplies has always sounded a bit hollow, given that UG wouldn't even exist if legit pharma was available.  You're absolutely right, this is about the media feeding frenzy on steroids, and as a result ALL supplies are being attacked and are at risk.

he is smart but not right

[G o a t b o y]

good posting,, few pointers though
gh15 is not a rat,,you cant be a rat when 90% of poice officer use hormones,,this is the problem youre not aware how many police oficer aronud the world are on hormones,,a lot more than you think ,,its not only ron and bobbie

seoncdly,,oh there is abig diff between the approach being tken for underground and their manufacorers to human grade,,the goverment let off many of the human grade because of a reason i said it beforre and i wont go to detail why,,the goverment know about them but they will not be touched

you must understand that the world is a big place,,,if you kow the way the usa govermnt works you will know that it is dependent of who gioverns,,in anycase not republicans nor democrats decide anything when it comes to hormones around the world,,each country decide in its sovern teriroty how it approaches the issue of hormones,,hormones are legal and not controlled in many countries ,,in some they are legal and controled but ! it is leagal every wheree including the usa,,
AGAIN you will not be taken to jail for hormones as a self user in the usa unless you had previous problems with law and or involve in narcotics and recreationals,,most you dumb kids who do this on usa grounds are greedy and involved with narcotics and recs and do bodybuilding if you do it for the wrong reasons aka GETTING PUSSY AS MNAY PUSSYS AS YOU CAN,,you dont do it truly for the love of lifting,,the goverment in usa knows who is who and what is what,,they do not take you out unless you were doing something that was bordering serious real crime such as distribution of recreational drugs inaddition to hormones,,distribution of chinease garbage  powders from suppliers and manuafactoreres in china that provide with recreation poweders also in addition to very poisionous poweders that no one has a clue to what it actually has in it ,,your eyes would become black if you knew,,your goverment dont give 2 shits about individual users of hormones period!,,if they did all this board would be siting uynder heavy fines now and sit in jail,,you got the ifbb operates freely and wwe and gladiators and this and that,,,what are you talking bout? those all organizations operates free in usa grounds,,YOUR GOVERMENT IS VERY VERY KIND TO YOU,,YOU ARE THE GOVERMENT

the reason you are taken down is this ,,read what gh15 tellin you very carefully with no assumptions,,WHEN NORDICT SEND LISTS ON AN OPEN EMAILS OR SECYRE EMAILS ABOUT POWEDERS THAT SOME OF THEM ARE NARCOTIC IN ITS NATURE AND RAPE DRUG PODERS ,,WHEN NORDIC OFFER PAINKILLER POWEDERS,,WHEN  THE MAIN  PEOPLE OF YOU OFFER DRUGS WHO DONT BELONG IN SOCIETY ....THAT IS WHEN ACTION IS BEING TAKEN,,IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE AGAINST THE PERSON BUT IT IS TAKEN AGSINT THE OPERATION,,THE GOVERMENT HAS A MISSION TO KEEP ITS PEOPLE SAFE ,,IT MUST DO IT TO KEEP STABILITY IN SOCIETY,,

all i can tell you is that when you guys start giving out lists to every wanna be that include poweders from red china the worst communist nation in the world offering narcotic poweders so people could put it in their local victim girl drink and rape some 18 year old,,THEN YOUR GOVERMENT ACT

if you are smart and i think you are you will understand everything gh15 says
rest of personal users of hormones are safe ,,and this will never end,,its just the bad apples are taken out

Once again you ignore the media frenzy and hype about "steroids=BAD" that is whipping up the emotions of the ignorant masses, and has most dumb Americans thinking steroids are the same as heroin or meth.  If it were only about UG's, the government would try to tone down the hysteria, and congress certainly wouldn't be adding fuel to the fire by holding hearings on steroids in sports and so on.  You may be knowlegable about steroids, but you clearly don't have a good working knowledge of how politics works in the US.

[littlemack]

I am on the same page with you GH15 with all that tainted underground BS from China and the like. The money was in Growth which is the "latest and greatest" and too damn expensive for the average kid to get w/o it being China Powder. All this news about lead being in the paint of the children's toys. No telling what cross-contamination was happening with Powder production in China. The Gov't knows as they purchased from all sources and had everything analyzed.

I'm completely unbiased as well. I choose NO sides and basically just keep my ear to the ground like a Native American Indian. hahaha...

Let me ask you this. What do you think about the theory of American Pharma getting into the game and Lobbying to get laws relaxed for HRT...and US Pharma publishing research showing how safe these products are at higher doses than standard HRT? All in an attempt for American Pharma to increase sales through local doctor's offices and American Pharmacies? Why would the US want to help foreign pharmaceutical companies more than our own? I don't know if this is a possibility or not.

Seriously though. Enough talk about drugs. Let's get back to the Humanoids. You got any connects with that cuz maybe they can sell us some real bodybuilding drugs?

I met a humanoid once. We'll call him Bob. I was walking in a crowded street when I saw a guy that just didn't look like he belonged. He was just staring at everyone and he looked very out of place. I could tell he was either lost or confused... Kind of like a 90 year old who just couldn't find his way home. So I went over to him and said hello to him. I asked him if I could help him find his way or offer him directions. He looked at me and said his name was ------. I couldn't hear his name of course b/c his name was inaudible to the human ear. So I told him I was LittleMack and went to shake his hand. He then went into convulsions and I thought $hit.... this guy need an ambulance or something? Then he stopped and had this huge smile on his face. He was on the ground at this point and I still had his hand firmly grasped in mine. Then he said *&^%# #()@#$& @#$&&. Well I didn't know what that meant...so I said, "English Please!" He said, "Thank You LittleMack you just gave me the best "handjob" of my life!"  
Damn humanoids get off to that $hit you know...always look for the next orgasm. Sorry ba$tard$!

[gh15]

Once again you ignore the media frenzy and hype about "steroids=BAD" that is whipping up the emotions of the ignorant masses, and has most dumb Americans thinking steroids are the same as heroin or meth.  If it were only about UG's, the government would try to tone down the hysteria, and congress certainly wouldn't be adding fuel to the fire by holding hearings on steroids in sports and so on.  You may be knowlegable about steroids, but you clearly don't have a good working knowledge of how politics works in the US.

no gh15 dosnt ignore it,,the diff is gh15 can see bwteen the words and knows some aspects of the hormone world that you dont,,
only thing you had to pay attention to was the words coming out of the presient of the baseball leags in usa,,that was it,,all the rest is wachington dumb talk that will be fed away as soon as iowa election starting,,in other words the president of the basbeall leage was saying : ok i understand everything will go on like it used to be and nothing will change because i have a big business to run and grandkids to feed ,,i want players to play for me so i can be even more rich and that the american public can eat hotdog in the stadium while wathincg them hit home runs,,THATS WHAT HE SAID

rest assure everything will be the same untill the hormones will be uncontrolled again within 5-10 years,,
now about the media,,the media as of 2007 is nothing to take seriously,,the media now days are bunch of people who have no clue to whats going on and they are the ones your generation created,,generation x,,meaning ill be nosey about everything but wont be able to concentrate on one thing since i live in 2007 and all i think about is if my fake boobs look good and my fake nails look good via the tv screen

media is temporary and hormones will be there even more now,,alex rodrigez that is on will continue to be the natural until second book of jose is coming out soon and you willl see even more revelations

[G o a t b o y]

rest assure everything will be the same untill the hormones will be uncontrolled again within 5-10 years,,

Care to place a wager on that?  The public attitude would have to change a lot for that to happen.  Keep in mind, steroids have been controlled since 1991, yet it was only in 2004 or so that they started to be seriously demonized in the media and in the public mind.

[gh15]

Care to place a wager on that?  The public attitude would have to change a lot for that to happen.  Keep in mind, steroids have been controlled since 1991, yet it was only in 2004 or so that they started to be seriously demonized in the media and in the public mind.

they will be uncontrolled on usa ground before 2015,,wont even need script for anything other than duretics,,painkillers will remain under controlled same as duretics,,,

it is right now going into the blood f public ,,the goverment already know about it ,,the goverment is tired of the underground garbage the redc hina comunist put in the usa,,the goverment dont want you anymore for abcesses inthe hospital tellin the docs it was from a bug sting,,

before 2015 some hormones will be uncontrolled,,prohoromones will remain controlled
everyone knows already te harsh truth,,every athlete uses and the goverment knows it ,,what the goverment is doing now is proving to the pages of history that everyone is uses to be justified later on to get it back to uncontrolled status,,

you inject truth slowly in case of hormones ,,,took good 10-12 years,,,in case of aliens it is injected a lot slower but in this case it will be quite fast from now on,,by 2015 hormones are not controlled again and no prescription is needed for some of them while other wil still need prescription,,it will be similar to turky
mark date

[gh15]

just so it iss understood when gh15 says uncontrolled gh15 means ,,it will have same approach that they have to bronkaid,,you will have to take a card like phone card off the shlves in walmart and bring it to the pharmacy and yuoll have limit supply same as with bronkaid ,,this will be the approach starting before 2015,,it will be done same its done for astma ,,you will have abiility to buy 1 vial test or 2 vials test max in a month under one name,,for many reasons such as low testosterone,,no sex drive,,etc etc,,it will all go under medical over the counter with slight suprvision so they know you dont use it for distribution purposes

[G o a t b o y]

they will be uncontrolled on usa ground before 2015,,wont even need script

Even if this fantasy of yours were true, no way would they eliminate requirement for a script... the AMA will make sure the doctors get their cut of the profits. 

[gh15]

well,,guess youll just have to sit tight and watch it happens,,the only bad thing is for the suppliers in europe ,,they will stay out of damn job,,but they do so much money all through this 15 years that they can retire and buy an island and not think abotu work anymore,,they done their share

[G o a t b o y]

well,,guess youll just have to sit tight and watch it happens,,the only bad thing is for the suppliers in europe ,,they will stay out of damn job,,but they do so much money all through this 15 years that they can retire and buy an island and not think abotu work anymore,,they done their share

Just out of curiosity, what is the status of AAS in Europe?  How tightly is it controlled, what are the laws vs actual practices, do europeans get from doctors/dealers/what?

[littlemack]

I see GH15 does not want to talk about Aliens...PM me then and we'll talk in private. Was just trying to have a little fun there with that joke.

Its funny GH15 b/c I've kept my ear close to the rhumor mill with people who are, let's say, higher up the food chain in the sport of bodybuilding and even they don't know who you are...but have educated a few guesses.

I will be anxiously listening to see what Pros and Trainers you end up talking to...

[gh15]

I see GH15 does not want to talk about Aliens...PM me then and we'll talk in private. Was just trying to have a little fun there with that joke.

Its funny GH15 b/c I've kept my ear close to the rhumor mill with people who are, let's say, higher up the food chain in the sport of bodybuilding and even they don't know who you are...but have educated a few guesses.

I will be anxiously listening to see what Pros and Trainers you end up talking to...

there is only one person who knows who gh15 is,,and he she will not say a word becuas ethey know gh15 will be gone if he she said anything,,couple pros know me very well but even to their face i was already asked and was like what you talking botu willys kinda face,,

[G o a t b o y]

there is only one person who knows who gh15 is,,and he she will not say a word

So you're saying it's a female bodybuilder who knows your secret identity?

[Bobby]

there is only one person who knows who gh15 is,,and he she will not say a word becuas ethey know gh15 will be gone if he she said anything,,couple pros know me very well but even to their face i was already asked and was like what you talking botu willys kinda face,,

Couple of pros = Milos and someone else

Denying he's gh15 = Dennis James

Milos has asked DJ if he was gh15 in the past...

[Bobby]

*crickets*

awkward silence?