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Jesus did NOT die on the cross: what Islam gets RIGHT about Christianity.
Agnostic007:
--- Quote from: Humble Narcissist on August 26, 2023, 12:33:59 AM ---And what happened to these resurrected beings? Are they still walking among us.
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I think that is the cool thing about fiction. It doesn't have to make sense. Only when you try to sell it as fact does it fall apart. For example, your question.. I never gave it any thought as I knew the author of Matthew made it up. But what if he didn't? No other historian mentions this amazing miracle, and yes, what happened to those resurrected? Did they go home? What if the husband or wife had remarried? That would be awkward..
Humble Narcissist:
--- Quote from: Agnostic007 on August 26, 2023, 07:57:01 PM ---I think that is the cool thing about fiction. It doesn't have to make sense. Only when you try to sell it as fact does it fall apart. For example, your question.. I never gave it any thought as I knew the author of Matthew made it up. But what if he didn't? No other historian mentions this amazing miracle, and yes, what happened to those resurrected? Did they go home? What if the husband or wife had remarried? That would be awkward..
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The Mormons believe the apostle John is still walking the Earth because Jesus said he would live to see Christ's return in his lifetime. They never considered the prophecy might have just failed to come true. They also believe in 3 Nephites are still roaming the Earth as we speak as well. There are all kinds of stories where people have interacted with these beings. ::)
Man of Steel:
--- Quote from: Agnostic007 on August 12, 2023, 12:52:28 AM ---Oddly Only in one book, Mathew, is there a mention of upon Jesus' crucifixion, the earth shook, and graves were opened up and dead bodies walked among the city. This is important to me because there were pretty good records kept at that time and this wonderous, miraculous occurrence in a major city where the gospel says "They were seen by many" only appears in the book of Matthew and never again in the gospels nor ANY historic record ever... makes a person wonder... such a great thing.. dead bodies rising from graves and walking through the city.. no one bothered to write about it other than Matthew?
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Aquinas, Origen, Ignatius and others wrote about it.
Agnostic007:
--- Quote from: Man of Steel on September 04, 2023, 08:11:51 AM ---Aquinas, Origen, Ignatius and others wrote about it.
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The problem is, your examples were a hundred years to 1000 years after the fact. None witnessed it. Not one historian alive at the time bothered to write about it
falco:
--- Quote from: Phantom Spunker on April 09, 2022, 01:08:02 AM ---My brothers and sisters,
When Muslims and Christians come together to engage in healthy theological debates, they often deteriorate into acrimonious and petty squabbles. Indeed, it is the inherently contestable nature of these topics that oftentimes makes agreement seem like an impossibility. That's why today I'd rather focus on something that isn't controversial. I am, of course, referring to the fact that Jesus was not crucified.
Q4:157 states:
And for their saying [JEWS], 'Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.' And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
For sure, the Jews intended to crucify Jesus that day. And, indeed, a crucifixion took place. But it was Allah who intervened and allowed a disciple to take on the appearance of Jesus and assume his place on that lonely wooden tower.
The reason Allah saved him, is that Jesus, great messenger of Allah, shall return during the end times to fulfill the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah and kill the False Messiah:
'By Allah, the son of Mary will descend as a just ruler. He will abolish the cross, kill the swine, and annul the tribute, but he will leave the she-camel such that no one collects from it. He will cause rancor, hatred, and envy to disappear, and he will call people to give their wealth in charity but no one will need it.'
The second coming of Jesus shall bring with it a great return to justice, and we Muslims shall see the true kingdom of Allah re-established on Earth.
113 al-Ṭabarī, Jāmiʻ al-Bayān ‘an Ta’wīl al-Qur’ān, 9:368 verse 4:157.
Muslim, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim, 1:136 #155, kitab al-Iman bab nuzul ‘Isa ibn Maryam.
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If they regurgitate that at the mosque, then it must be true.
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