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woot woot!
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You're thanking God for Rush's recovery!? That's a lot of fail to put in just once sentence, Coach. ;D
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the devil wins this one..
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Ha...his recovery is proof he can still piss of the left without even trying!
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Ha...his recovery is proof he can still piss of the left without even trying!
Yes, I'm sure underage girls around the world are cheering his recovery, as well.
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Lazy bastard can't even die the right way.
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Lazy bastard can't even die the right way.
Ya..you tell em, that fat bastard can't do anything right..hahahahaha!
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Ha...his recovery is proof he can still piss of the left without even trying!
The reality is that most people aren't left or rightwing partisans. They fall somewhere in the middle and don't give a shit about Limbaugh one way or another.
Your fanboy attitude towards Limbaugh reminds me of the movie "A Bronx Tale," in which the kid was a big Yankee fan until the Chaz Palmenteri shut him down by saying, "If your father loses his job is Mickey Mantle gonna pay your rent?"
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Ya..you tell em, that fat bastard can't do anything right..hahahahaha!
You need to get on the horn and tell him instead of doing gastric bypass, you'll have him gassing in the gym. Lazy fucker, typical fat, lazy, loudmouth American. I can see if he was in shape, it give "weight" to his words, but he is a hypocrite. Less government...how about less weight around your waist. He is a real liberal, you can tell he takes liberal amounts of food at the table...
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You need to get on the horn and tell him instead of doing gastric bypass, you'll have him gassing in the gym. Lazy fucker, typical fat, lazy, loudmouth American. I can see if he was in shape, it give "weight" to his words, but he is a hypocrite. Less government...how about less weight around your waist. He is a real liberal, you can tell he takes liberal amounts of food at the table...
He's pissing you off without even trying...lol. He does need to workout though. Looking at the video he does look like he dropped some weight.
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I sense a lot of homo man love in this thread....
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He's pissing you off without even trying...lol. He does need to workout though. Looking at the video he does look like he dropped some weight.
Naw, not pissed off. I look at him and see a hypocrite. His mouth says one thing, his body and actions say another. Yeah he did lose weight, the gastric bypass way. The woman's way.
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Fuck >:(
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Naw, not pissed off. I look at him and see a hypocrite. His mouth says one thing, his body and actions say another. Yeah he did lose weight, the gastric bypass way. The woman's way.
Yep, admittedly he hates to train.
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Yep, admittedly he hates to train.
Training is hard work. Isn't that what being a American is about, hard work. The cliche, "anything worth having, ya gotta work hard for it"? The slacker mentality is what has brought America down, and his mentality, is that of a slacker. Sure I have hated to go to the gym, today it's 19 degrees outside, but I did it anyway, and loved it.
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Training is hard work. Isn't that what being a American is about, hard work. The cliche, "anything worth having, ya gotta work hard for it"? The slacker mentality is what has brought America down, and his mentality, is that of a slacker. Sure I have hated to go to the gym, today it's 19 degrees outside, but I did it anyway, and loved it.
LMAO....ok, so I guess everything he built in his empire just came out of the blue and he didn't have to work for it at all? Saying that he's a "slacker" is a bit over the top don't you think? You don't get to where he is at (or anyone with that kind of wealth for that matter) by being a "slacker". C'mon dude, get serious.
He's a typical type A personality in certain aspects of his life, because he doesn't want to train only means he doesn't make that a priority. If he did or if he decides to start training, being that type A personality, everything else would probably come in second.
I'm sure, like everyone else, there are certain aspects of your life you hate to do or put off.
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donovan mcnaab is pleased.
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One more chance for fatty to say his prayers... death was just too busy checking out getbig...
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Limbaugh was quoted as saying that the type of care he received was proof that the health care system in America works. Unfortunately, it happened in Hawaii, which has one of the most 'socialized' health care system in the US.
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Limbaugh was quoted as saying that the type of care he received was proof that the health care system in America works. Unfortunately, it happened in Hawaii, which has one of the most 'socialized' health care system in the US.
Are you a socialist?
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Are you a socialist?
I believe single payer is the way to go, it works in most industrialized countries in the world.
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JME, he's a type A at being blowhard. Plain and simple. A paper tiger. He talks a good one, but offers no solutions, doesn't start a grass roots project. Nothing. He's worked hard at his persona. He gets paid to be a loud mouth. As a matter of fact both him and Al Sharpton have a lot in common, except one is on the right and the other is on the left.
And yes there are aspects of my life that I wish I could work harder or improve, because I wish to be more well rounded. Less weaknesses more strengths.
But I will NEVER, EVER, let my body get out of shape, like his. Or be a opiate junkie like him. People like him get locked up daily. The only thing that saves him is his money. Those who don't have is wealth are in jail cells or programs.
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I believe single payer is the way to go, it works in most industrialized countries in the world.
So I guess the answer is yes?
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the devil wins this one..
maybe Rush will have another lard omelet soon and have a real heart attack
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C'mon BD, you'd never hear me say I wish Barney Frank would die of Aids or Nancy Palosi die from an overdose of Botox.
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C'mon BD, you'd never hear me say I wish Barney Frank would die of Aids or Nancy Palosi die from an overdose of Botox.
I've said both.
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Is Nixon still alive?
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You're thanking God for Rush's recovery!? That's a lot of fail to put in just once sentence, Coach. ;D
Why is belief in God an epic fail Chimps? Many men more intelligent then you or I, have been rooted in a Judeo-Christian ethic, even if Coach doesn't belong in their ranks. ;)
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C'mon BD, you'd never hear me say I wish Barney Frank would die of Aids or Nancy Palosi die from an overdose of Botox.
here we go self-righteousness.
You're good at training people joe, STICK TO IT!!!!
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I believe single payer is the way to go, it works in most industrialized countries in the world.
So you would support mandatory enrollment for all US citizens?
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So you would support mandatory enrollment for all US citizens?
Yes
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Yes he is okay, but no such thing as God.
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Why is belief in God an epic fail Chimps? Many men more intelligent then you or I, have been rooted in a Judeo-Christian ethic, even if Coach doesn't belong in their ranks. ;)
I think it's more having the nerve to thank a(ny) God on the behalf of rectum debris like Rush.
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I got to had it to you, Coach. You're fearless. Here in Hawaii, rabid Obama country, I have to keep my opinions to myself.
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I got to had it to you, Coach. You're fearless. Here in Hawaii, rabid Obama country, I have to keep my opinions to myself.
awe he aint that brave....
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C'mon BD, you'd never hear me say I wish Barney Frank would die of Aids or Nancy Palosi die from an overdose of Botox.
That's because you know I'll say it. ;D
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awe he aint that brave....
Word on the street is that Coach bitched slapped Kongo for tapping to Mir.
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So you would support mandatory enrollment for all US citizens?
All seniors are enrolled in Medicare. Is that the same as mandatory enrollment? Seniors are also free to get their own insurance, or even pay for their health care out of their own pocket. Single payer would be pretty much the same.
Single payer would be paid for by some tax, which may be progressive or not. everyone would be covered, the overall cost of health care would go down, and we'd save trillions in the long term.
you are already paying for other peoples health care: through county taxes to pay for emergency rooms used for the wrong things, and inflated hospital bills to pay for those without insurance. why not just do it efficiently?
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Ha...you should hear the dicussions we have at dinner when we dine in restaurants in LA.
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All seniors are enrolled in Medicare. Is that the same as mandatory enrollment? Seniors are also free to get their own insurance, or even pay for their health care out of their own pocket. Single payer would be pretty much the same.
Single payer would be paid for by some tax, which may be progressive or not. everyone would be covered, the overall cost of health care would go down, and we'd save trillions in the long term.
you are already paying for other peoples health care: through county taxes to pay for emergency rooms used for the wrong things, and inflated hospital bills to pay for those without insurance. why not just do it efficiently?
Sorry, let me rephase that. Are you in favor of direct taxation ( through an increase in individual income taxes) to fund it?
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I believe single payer is the way to go, it works in most industrialized countries in the world.
Describe "works"? Most people in the those countries cannot get the treatment the should have because the government pretty much dictates the meds and treatment they can and cannot have. People are suffering and dieing from it. Certain cancer do not get prescribed because if it's costs. The administration and people like yourself are in the minority and no one on the the left gives a shit. If you mean it "works" to a certain extent, then yes it does...until something serious happends.
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html
But I guess this doesn't matter!
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Limbaugh was quoted as saying that the type of care he received was proof that the health care system in America works. Unfortunately, it happened in Hawaii, which has one of the most 'socialized' health care system in the US.
Which is why Hawaii and the other states that have "socialized" medicine are financially f**ked.
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How do people not understand that government is inefficient and irresponsible with money and they screw up pretty much everything they do?
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Because as long as they think they are getting something for nothing and handouts they don't care.
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Because as long as they think they are getting something for nothing and handouts they don't care.
sounds like your people
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Because as long as they think they are getting something for nothing and handouts they don't care.
Next question: Why don't people understand that stuff they get from the government isn't "free". Don't they realized they steal the money from us?
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Next question: Why don't people understand that stuff they get from the government isn't "free". Don't they realized they steal the money from us?
getting what is theirs is stealing ...get the logic?
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The only ones really getting it free are the welfare leaches. :-X
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What about opening the state borders for purchasing insurance, let the free market work as it can and we'll see better care and lower prices.
FUCK these socialist fags like Tim!
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he is one of those bastards who on paper should have already had a heart attack, but like most shitsmears he will end up living to 100 just to spite all those wanting him to die.
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getting what is theirs is stealing ...get the logic?
Yes..but liberals don't, why? Because they don't understand what stealing (no matter how they want to justify it) is. How are they stealing? Let me put it this way, if someone FORCES you give up something you don't want to give up but have to anyway, what would you call it? We will be FORCED to pay for things we do not want or wanted from the beginning. How's that?
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http://www.healthcareproblems.org/category/patient-statements
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Yes..but liberals don't, why? Because they don't understand what stealing (no matter how they want to justify it) is. How are they stealing? Let me put it this way, if someone FORCES you give up something you don't want to give up but have to anyway, what would you call it? We will be FORCED to pay for things we do not want or wanted from the beginning. How's that?
Exactly, but to a socialist that is OK. They only care about what is good for the collective NOT the individual.
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http://www.news-medical.net/news/2007/02/18/21949.aspx
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Let me put it this way, if someone FORCES you give up something you don't want to give up but have to anyway, what would you call it? We will be FORCED to pay for things we do not want or wanted from the beginning. How's that?
I don't like wars and guess what my money pay for it.
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haha conservatives dont want to pay ANY taxes and dont want ANY government...but yet i bet they love having nice paved roads to drive their trucks on, running water/gas/electricity in their homes, good planned city infrastructure and transit systems, internet/cable access in their homes, knowing there are systems in place to protect them and their families from crime/being taken advantage of, organized, tax-funded military to defend their 'freedom', etc....etc....
hahaha if these clowns had their way we would still be living in the stone age. they want and enjoy having all the things taxes pay for, they just dont want to pay for any of it THEMSELVES. fucking dirty hypocrites
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I don't like wars and guess what my money pay for it.
Are you a pacifist or would you prefer they just come over here and keep either blowing up or trying to blow up the people in our country? What should we do?
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haha conservatives dont want to pay ANY taxes and dont want ANY government...but yet i bet they love having nice paved roads to drive their trucks on, running water/gas/electricity in their homes, good planned city infrastructure and transit systems, internet/cable access in their homes, knowing there are systems in place to protect them and their families from crime/being taken advantage of, organized, tax-funded military to defend their 'freedom', etc....etc....
hahaha if these clowns had their way we would still be living in the stone age. they want and enjoy having all the things taxes pay for, they just dont want to pay for any of it THEMSELVES. fucking dirty hypocrites
Who said that? Seriously, don't go overboard now.
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would you prefer they just come over here and keep either blowing up or trying to blow up the people in our country?
Like the Iraqis ::)
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Like the Iraqis ::)
It was a majority bi-patrisan vote plus a bunch of other countries voted on it as well.
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rush limbaugh said slavery was good cuz the streets were safer at night :-\
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Yes..but liberals don't, why? Because they don't understand what stealing (no matter how they want to justify it) is. How are they stealing? Let me put it this way, if someone FORCES you give up something you don't want to give up but have to anyway, what would you call it? We will be FORCED to pay for things we do not want or wanted from the beginning. How's that?
so according to you twisted logic there should be no laws, rules or insurance requirements
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It was a majority bi-patrisan vote plus a bunch of other countries voted on it as well.
Democrats or Republicans doesn't matter , the fact is that I'm still paying for a war that I and millions of Americans didn't agree with.
BTW , I'm a pacifist so was your idol Jesus.
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rush limbaugh said slavery was good cuz the streets were safer at night :-\
He did not. We went though this when he supposed said this then I posted the transcript from the show while everyone else was posting their "proof" from lib rags like "The Huffington Post".
Check out the left margin where it says Associated Press and read the BS.....
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
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so according to you twisted logic there should be no laws, rules or insurance requirements
I never said that or insinuated that.
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I never said that or insinuated that.
what is you position on auto insurnace? seatbelt laws, motorcycle helmets, poll taxes, showing id's to vote, miranda rights, prayers in schools, and dress codes in public schools?
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What about opening the state borders for purchasing insurance, let the free market work as it can and we'll see better care and lower prices.
unfortunately that's the opposite of free market. all the insurance companies would move to the state with the least consumer friendly regulations. for people in California, things like guaranteed issue would be a thing of the past. the insurance companies profits would soar, because it would be easier to force all the sick people onto medicaid.
FUCK these socialist fags like Tim!
nothing like name calling to get your point across
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He did not. We went though this when he supposed said this then I posted the transcript from the show while everyone else was posting their "proof" from lib rags like "The Huffington Post".
Check out the left margin where it says Associated Press and read the BS.....
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html
ah i see .. thank you for setting me straight .. hard to no what news outlets i can trust these days =/
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Describe "works"? Most people in the those countries cannot get the treatment the should have because the government pretty much dictates the meds and treatment they can and cannot have. People are suffering and dieing from it.
insurance companies are always denying coverage. many documented cases of insurance companies delaying treatment because it would impact their profit margin.
the author of this blog I read was vacationing in France when his retina started to detach. Emergency surgery, 5 days in the hospital (here they'd kick you out after a day), follow up visits, medication, total cost $1200, for someone just visiting their country. here the bill would have been $30,000
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insurance companies are always denying coverage. many documented cases of insurance companies delaying treatment because it would impact their profit margin.
the author of this blog I read was vacationing in France when his retina started to detach. Emergency surgery, 5 days in the hospital (here they'd kick you out after a day), follow up visits, medication, total cost $1200, for someone just visiting their country. here the bill would have been $30,000
usually i dont like discussing politics online, but i agree money goes into the pockets of a few via an UNFREE market,, (not free as some claim)
sadly it seems many americans they seem more interested in pseudo ideology compared to improving their own country. i think medical insurance and medical care has been a mess for many years in american and governed by unrational fear and bizarre polarization of the debate
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Hahahaha. Tim fogarty has actual logical explanations, and as usual coach (JME or whatever he is this week) has his emotional 4th grade grasp of the big picture. ::)
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Hahahaha. Tim fogarty has actual logical explanations, and as usual coach (JME or whatever he is this week) has his emotional 4th grade grasp of the big picture. ::)
He can spin and sound as logical as he wants, but since about 62% are against it, it really doesn't matter now does it?
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He can spin and sound as logical as he wants, but since about 62% are against it, it really doesn't matter now does it?
Is that number from a legitimate poll or a beck/limbaugh rant.? Either way the american people are against a radical change like a single payer, but are for some major changes. Remember with lil bushy in control we had 8 years of nothing and if the repugnants were in charge we'd still see it swept under the rug. State lines wouldnt work as tim pointed out, theyd just skirt the system.
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The only ones really getting it free are the welfare leaches. :-X
Man don't get me started on welfare. I think 99% of peple on welfare abuse it. It needs serious overhaul such as:
-Random drug tests
-Random weekly home visits
-Need to require proof of looking for work.
-Strict time limits.
-And maybe a provision to pay some of the money back.
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He can spin and sound as logical as he wants, but since about 62% are against it, it really doesn't matter now does it?
you do know that spinning the truth is how politics works right?.....rush has made a living off of it....he is a modern day Jean-Paul Marat....i am not saying it is just a one sided thing..both sides spin the others words...its how the game works....both sides are made up of special interest groups who will spin anything to help get their paid man, or woman in office to preach their point....it has been this way for a long time...
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Man don't get me started on welfare. I think 99% of peple on welfare abuse it. It needs serious overhaul such as:
-Random drug tests
-Random weekly home visits
-Need to require proof of looking for work.
-Strict time limits.
-And maybe a provision to pay some of the money back.
agreed
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insurance companies are always denying coverage. many documented cases of insurance companies delaying treatment because it would impact their profit margin.
the author of this blog I read was vacationing in France when his retina started to detach. Emergency surgery, 5 days in the hospital (here they'd kick you out after a day), follow up visits, medication, total cost $1200, for someone just visiting their country. here the bill would have been $30,000
That is why you do the responsible thing and buy yourself good health insurance and read ALL the fine print. So if you are denied coverage it is because you were too stupid to realize that it is not covered or you can sue the hell out of your insurance company if it was something that is covered by your insurance and they tried to refuse to pay it.
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i doubt too many people are content to stay on welfare for long
i think the problem is people have a hard time giving up their previous standard of living
its not that they abuse the system but use tax money for superfilious things they used to use their own money for
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i doubt too many people are content to stay on welfare for long
i think the problem is people have a hard time giving up their previous standard of living
its not that they abuse the system but use tax money for superfilious things they used to use their own money for
bro, i have seen multiple generations of family on welfare......its hard being a drug deal/manufacturer with a job....there are families out there that have never worked...welfare is like a passed down family heirloom to some people....
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i doubt too many people are content to stay on welfare for long
i think the problem is people have a hard time giving up their previous standard of living
its not that they abuse the system but use tax money for superfilious things they used to use their own money for
Couldn't disagree with you more. We have to remember that most people on welfare are not like you and I. They are likely minorities (no racist) who don't take pride in earning their keep. They feel absolutely no shame collecting welfare and don't have much desire to better themselves. If it were up to them they would stay on forever, and sadly many have more and more kids to do just that.
I'm not sure if you personally know any or many people on welfare, but I have and the vast majority are like the ones I described above. Like I said, if things wen't bad for you or I, we would likely feel shame and work our asses off to once again gain control of our financial lives, but to the majority of the leeches on welfare that type of mind set is completely foreign to them.
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Couldn't disagree with you more. We have to remember that most people on welfare are not like you and I. They are likely minorities (no racist) who don't take pride in earning their keep. They feel absolutely no shame collecting welfare and don't have much desire to better themselves. If it were up to them they would stay on forever, and sadly many have more and more kids to do just that.
I'm not sure if you personally know any or many people on welfare, but I have and the vast majority are like the ones I described above. Like I said, if things wen't bad for you or I, we would likely feel shame and work our asses off to once again gain control of our financial lives, but to the majority of the leeches on welfare that type of mind set is completely foreign to them.
it's the illegal aliens who sneak into this country and apply for welfare that annoys me...see all those latino people suckin up the taxpayers dollars? those breeders planned on having a kid in this country knowing that if they do...the child is by birth right a U.S. citizen and by law and statue entitled to all the protections provided by the U.S. constitution. and what are they going to do with illegal parents of a U.S. citizen....deport them? we should round up all the mexicans and ship em back.
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it's the illegal aliens who sneak into this country and apply for welfare that annoys me...see all those latino people suckin up the taxpayers dollars? those breeders planned on having a kid in this country knowing that if they do...the child is by birth right a U.S. citizen and by law and statue entitled to all the protections provided by the U.S. constitution. and what are they going to do with illegal parents of a U.S. citizen....deport them? we should round up all the mexicans and ship em back.
Yes, or at the VERY LEAST secure our borders and give the ones already here some type of amnesty. But you are right, if we don't take care of this border issue the US will no longer be one of the greatest countries. :-\
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Yes, or at the VERY LEAST secure our borders and give the ones already here some type of amnesty. But you are right, if we don't take care of this border issue the US will no longer be one of the greatest countries. :-\
no amnesty for illegal rats... be conservative.
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no amnesty for illegal rats... be conservative.
That would be ok to get rid of them, but I am just being realistic. It would be difficult to deport them plus people would flip out saying we are not being good "humanitarians." If we could just secure the border and prevent any more illegals from coming in I think we would be ok.
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That would be ok to get rid of them, but I am just being realistic. It would be difficult to deport them plus people would flip out saying we are not being good "humanitarians." If we could just secure the border and prevent any more illegals from coming in I think we would be ok.
no civil rights for illegal aliens. that's what's wrong with this country...we're applying our civilized standards to illegal scum ...illegal aliens are called illegal for a reason. maybe you like your relatives hanging out with illegals...many do not.
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no civil rights for illegal aliens. that's what's wrong with this coutry...we're applying our civilized standards to illegal scum
I'm in agreement with you, I'm just being realistic.
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You're right, Calfzilla. It would be like trying to put the genie back into the bottle.
Very difficult to do. Still, I'd try to do it. I don't give a fuck what other countries or the lib media thinks. The only illegals they deal with is their illegal nannies and landscapers. >:(
Obama is so loved...so respected? Look at Iran. They've defied that douche more in one year than eight years of Bush. This is what being a doormat gets you.
Being hated is akin to being feared. I'd prefer to be feared rather than loved. 8)
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bro, i have seen multiple generations of family on welfare......its hard being a drug deal/manufacturer with a job....there are families out there that have never worked...welfare is like a passed down family heirloom to some people....
no it isn't. the welfare reform under clinton put a life time cap on how many years you can receive welfare.
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That is why you do the responsible thing and buy yourself good health insurance and read ALL the fine print. So if you are
except of course for people who can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
denied coverage it is because you were too stupid to realize that it is not covered or you can sue the hell out of your insurance company if it was something that is covered by your insurance and they tried to refuse to pay it.
and while you're suing them for denying you care, you'll probably die from your disease.
insurance companies have no trouble covering you while you're well. they just do everything they can to get rid of you when you become seriously ill.
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except of course for people who can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
and while you're suing them for denying you care, you'll probably die from your disease.
insurance companies have no trouble covering you while you're well. they just do everything they can to get rid of you when you become seriously ill.
There is always a way to find insurace.
If you are dying you will still be treated in America, if you are certain that it is a covered expense get treated, rack up a med bill and get a good lawyer.
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This is real simple...
Let the people who want this be a part of it. Leave the people who want nothing to do with it alone.
Let the bleeding hearts have their tax money spent of health care for illegals and people who don't take care of themselves.
Public option? Here's the public option: Sign up those Americans who want to be a part of this. Leave everyone else alone. See what happens. Why does everybody have to have it forced down their throats?
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You're doing great, Coach! I should jump in but it just isn't worth it arguing over the net. Lots of time and effort but little results. Maybe I'll just say a couple of things.
The government, in an economic sense, really can't give you anything simply because they have nothing to give. What they give to one person they've taken from someone else. The government cannot create wealth. They can only confiscate it, redistribute it or destroy it. One of the roles of the government is to protect you from outside forces and to protect you from each other. They were not suppose to protect you from yourself. It's up to you if you want to wear a helmet, seatbelt, smoke, pierce your body, use steroids to get grotesquely big muscles, or eat everything in sight and get grotesquely fat. They can use moral persuasion. Encourage good and healthy behavior but not use the force of the state to compel you to do so.
Oh, and most importantly, any and all law abiding adult citizens are allowed to own a gun.
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Public option? Here's the public option: Sign up those Americans who want to be a part of this. Leave everyone else alone. See what happens. Why does everybody have to have it forced down their throats?
that's exactly what we progressives wanted, the option for people to join a public plan. but the insurance company lobbyists blocked this, as well as allowing people over 55 to buy into medicare. why? they didn't want the competition. the only thing being forced down our throats are private insurance monopolies.
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You’re speaking in half truths. They didn't want the government involved.
Why?
It is simply because the government has unlimited funds (taxes) which is totally different from the private sector competition. The lib plan is to totally eliminate private insurance completely.
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haha conservatives dont want to pay ANY taxes and dont want ANY government...but yet i bet they love having nice paved roads to drive their trucks on, running water/gas/electricity in their homes, good planned city infrastructure and transit systems, internet/cable access in their homes, knowing there are systems in place to protect them and their families from crime/being taken advantage of, organized, tax-funded military to defend their 'freedom', etc....etc....
hahaha if these clowns had their way we would still be living in the stone age. they want and enjoy having all the things taxes pay for, they just dont want to pay for any of it THEMSELVES. fucking dirty hypocrites
Half of what you mention are'nt even things taxes pay for. ::)
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except of course for people who can't get insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
and while you're suing them for denying you care, you'll probably die from your disease.
insurance companies have no trouble covering you while you're well. they just do everything they can to get rid of you when you become seriously ill.
And why shouldn't they deny coverage? Any good business should be looking out for their profit line.
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Man don't get me started on welfare. I think 99% of peple on welfare abuse it. It needs serious overhaul such as:
-Random drug tests
-Random weekly home visits
-Need to require proof of looking for work.
-Strict time limits.
-And maybe a provision to pay some of the money back.
God bless you, sir.
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i doubt too many people are content to stay on welfare for long
i think the problem is people have a hard time giving up their previous standard of living
its not that they abuse the system but use tax money for superfilious things they used to use their own money for
As I said in another thread, being poor in a rich country sucks. So people overcompensate.
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As I said in another thread, being poor in a rich country sucks. So people overcompensate.
It's not like they don't have a choice. And because they made the wrong choice wealthy or people that are better off should have to pay? What kind of logic is that?
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And why shouldn't they deny coverage? Any good business should be looking out for their profit line.
let's privatize fire houses!!!
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let's privatize fire houses!!!
Ha! Firehouses used to be private concerns back in the day. You can guess how that went -ie. 'not one of houses boys, ease back.' ;D
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It's not like they don't have a choice. And because they made the wrong choice wealthy or people that are better off should have to pay? What kind of logic is that?
much is expected from those who have been given so much.
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Givin what? I'm pretty sure not too much was "givin" to anyone. Wealthy people in business for the most part worked their asses off to get where they are. Middle class people who own homes and have assets worked for that. The same opportunity is there for everyone.
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Givin what? I'm pretty sure not too much was "givin" to anyone. Wealthy people in business for the most part worked their asses off to get where they are. Middle class people who own homes and have assets worked for that. The same opportunity is there for everyone.
OK I GOT IT....you're not conservative...your CHEAP! lol
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Givin what? I'm pretty sure not too much was "givin" to anyone. Wealthy people in business for the most part worked their asses off to get where they are. Middle class people who own homes and have assets worked for that. The same opportunity is there for everyone.
Did you write that with a straight face!? I don't doubt you've worked hard, Coach, but to not acknowledge how good you have it (and have had it) is disgraceful. The old saw 'nobody steps harder on his fellow man than self-righteousness' seems appropriate here.
Whatever happened to goodness, civility and graciousness? How'd we lose that?
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let's privatize fire houses!!!
Ah, fire houses are currently government owned, last I knew most insurance companies weren't ::)
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Health care is NOT a right, it's a product.
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Did you write that with a straight face!? I don't doubt you've worked hard, Coach, but to not acknowledge how good you have it (and have had it) is disgraceful. The old saw 'nobody steps harder on his fellow man than self-righteousness' seems appropriate here.
Whatever happened to goodness, civility and graciousness? How'd we lose that?
Why is it so hard to take a pragmatic, (or dare I say Machiavellian), view of the world? What is ideal, is rarely what is practical or efficient, and to try and interject altruism in discussions of economics, politics, etc, is often a mistake, regardless of how well intentioned.
We as individuals, should be helping each other. We as individuals should be civil, and giving, and walk in love towards one another, but to try to leglistate, or incorporate a giving/altruistic attitude in discussions such as this, is absurd.
In other words, if we shift social responsibility to the realm of the autonomous individual, rather then try to be lazy and try to differ it as some nebulous responsibility of the "government," then we would be in much better shape.
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And why shouldn't they deny coverage? Any good business should be looking out for their profit line.
maybe you're misunderstanding the concept of denying coverage. its not you apply for insurance and they turn you down before you pay your first premium. Its that you pay your premiums for years and years, and then they turn you away saying Hey we didn't think you were really going to get sick. you get a serious disease and they'll do their best to find a reason to restrict or cancel your coverage. We don't think the liver transplant your doctors recommend is the right thing to do. or Hey you didn't disclose that your 4th grade school nurse wrote down she thought you might have asthma.
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maybe you're misunderstanding the concept of denying coverage. its not you apply for insurance and they turn you down before you pay your first premium. Its that you pay your premiums for years and years, and then they turn you away saying Hey we didn't think you were really going to get sick. you get a serious disease and they'll do their best to find a reason to cancel your coverage. Hey you didn't disclose that your 4th grade school nurse wrote down she thought you might have asthma.
This is after they treated you for whatever you are currently sick for yes and continue to treat you for same illness yes? I think if you failed to disclose a pre-existing illness then yes they have the right to dump you.
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Why is it so hard to take a pragmatic, (or dare I say Machiavellian), view of the world? What is ideal, is rarely what is practical or efficient, and to try and interject altruism in discussions of economics, politics, etc, is often a mistake, regardless of how well intentioned.
We as individuals, should be helping each other. We as individuals should be civil, and giving, and walk in love towards one another, but to try to leglistate, or incorporate a giving/altruistic attitude in discussions such as this, is absurd.
In other words, if we shift social responsibility to the realm of the autonomous individual, rather then try to be lazy and try to differ it as some nebulous responsibility of the "government," then we would be in much better shape.
concepts alien to The Coach
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This is after they treated you for whatever you are currently sick for yes and continue to treat you for same illness yes?
please parse that for me
I think if you failed to disclose a pre-existing illness then yes they have the right to dump you.
there are examples of insurance companies using unrelated childhood diseases to deny coverage for liver transplants and breast cancer chemo. how can you disclose what your childhood doctor wrote in his records?
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there are examples of insurance companies using unrelated childhood diseases to deny coverage for liver transplants and breast cancer chemo. how can you disclose what your childhood doctor wrote in his records?
Well if the insurance company can get that info(what your childhood doctor wrote in his records)then you should've before applying for insurance.
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Well if the insurance company can get that info(what your childhood doctor wrote in his records)then you should've before applying for insurance.
You are a retard .
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You are a retard .
Thank you.
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What happend to goodness and civility? Are you kidding? If I CHOOSE to give my money away it should me MY decision not the governments. I give a shit load (freely) to cherity every year and every chance I get. As for me not working..how in the hell do you think I support my family, make house payments, insurance, private school, etc, etc. I work damn hard to provide the luxuries I feel my family deserves. For 5 years it was just me and son before I re-married, you don't think I had to work my ass of 14hrs a day for that? That's only half, I brought my self and my son to a different level BECAUSE I worked (and still work) my ass off. Check yourself Chimps before you judge so quickly!
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The reality is that most people aren't left or rightwing partisans. They fall somewhere in the middle and don't give a shit about Limbaugh one way or another.
Your fanboy attitude towards Limbaugh reminds me of the movie "A Bronx Tale," in which the kid was a big Yankee fan until the Chaz Palmenteri shut him down by saying, "If your father loses his job is Mickey Mantle gonna pay your rent?"
awesome
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Still waiting for an answer from the Good primate Dr. :D
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i doubt too many people are content to stay on welfare for long
I don't want to call this retarded, but I'm having trouble finding another term.
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Good thing Rush lived in a country with private insurance or else he would still be waiting to get an appt to see the doctor.
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Good thing Rush lived in a country with private insurance or else he would still be waiting to get an appt to see the doctor.
Most countries in the world have private insurance ,and they coexist with the goverment managed system.
Hope this helps
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Most countries in the world have private insurance ,and they coexist with the goverment managed system.
Hope this helps
Oh, so the rich get good medical care and the poor have to wait in line to hopefully someday see a doctor because they are on crappy socialized healthcare?
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Oh, so the rich get good medical care and the poor have to wait in line to hopefully someday see a doctor because they are on crappy socialized healthcare?
Yes , better than nothing.
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poor people should be allowed to sell their non-vital organs to rich people for a big profit
that would improve healthcare for the rich and provide some much needed money for the poor
i think in general that would improve the economics of our current health care system
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Oh, so the rich get good medical care and the poor have to wait in line to hopefully someday see a doctor because they are on crappy socialized healthcare?
that would be an improvement to what we have now, where the poor go without health care until things are so serious they end up in the ER.
The ER is not the place to find out you have advanced cancer.
And why is socialized health care considered crappy for poor people, but perfectly ok for seniors?
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three cheers for universal health care, single payer system, completely government funded, no co pays no prescription charges (unless its a vanity drug or operation).
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completely government funded
what is insurance but people pooling their resources together to cover any potential future loses. the bigger the pool, the more spread out is the risk. what bigger pool is there than everyone? We just need a single non-profit insurance company to manage the system that everyone pays into. the government is a good choice for that, as they've already proven they are very good at managing such policies with the VA and Medicare. The percentage of each dollar going to actual medical care is much higher for both than any insurance company. The government is also very good at collecting premiums via payroll deductions and end of year 1040s.
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You libs are right, the government will solve all our problems, and with peak efficiency. ::)
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what is insurance but people pooling their resources together to cover any potential future loses. the bigger the pool, the more spread out is the risk. what bigger pool is there than everyone? We just need a single non-profit insurance company to manage the system that everyone pays into. the government is a good choice for that, as they've already proven they are very good at managing such policies with the VA and Medicare. The percentage of each dollar going to actual medical care is much higher for both than any insurance company. The government is also very good at collecting premiums via payroll deductions and end of year 1040s.
exactly.
its so simple, so clear and easy. but the usa is filled with people who have no idea how to "pick their fights" when it comes to political principles. is goverment funding of the well being of peoples body through medicine any different in essence than government funding of the well being of people through military intelligence??
americas elected officials are so horribly confused and misguided. they have no idea what it means to be a politician
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You libs are right, the government will solve all our problems, and with peak efficiency. ::)
We are the government. and while it takes a lot of effort, we have more power to get the government to do the right thing than we do to get the CEO of a corporation to do the right thing. Even more so when the corporation is basically a monopoly.
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three cheers for universal health care, single payer system, completely government funded, no co pays no prescription charges (unless its a vanity drug or operation).
Apparently ....like Tim, you didn't read the 50 + articles in the link I posted. Seems you're one of the ones who can't fend for themselves and has to depend on government assistance for help. The lazy just keep getting lazier. Funny how someone is capable of benching 350lbs isn't capable of surviving without the help of the government. You live in the wrong country.....so far.
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We are the government. and while it takes a lot of effort, we have more power to get the government to do the right thing than we do to get the CEO of a corporation to do the right thing. Even more so when the corporation is basically a monopoly.
You're serious? The Government has fucked up more programs than they can count.
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i like the Swiss and Dutch health care systems ....
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JME will you own these tiny tits for me, I am goint to take a nap soon.
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Apparently ....like Tim, you didn't read the 50 + articles in the link I posted. Seems you're one of the ones who can't fend for themselves and has to depend on government assistance for help. The lazy just keep getting lazier. Funny how someone is capable of benching 350lbs isn't capable of surviving without the help of the government. You live in the wrong country.....so far.
your a fucking clown in terms of your political views. honestly, baygbm knows more about pussy than you do about the roles of government.
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what is insurance but people pooling their resources together to cover any potential future loses. the bigger the pool, the more spread out is the risk. what bigger pool is there than everyone? We just need a single non-profit insurance company to manage the system that everyone pays into. the government is a good choice for that, as they've already proven they are very good at managing such policies with the VA and Medicare. The percentage of each dollar going to actual medical care is much higher for both than any insurance company. The government is also very good at collecting premiums via payroll deductions and end of year 1040s.
Why don't you just move to Canada and leave us alone!
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i like the Swiss and Dutch health care systems ....
So you like their socialist form of government where the collectives' good is placed over the individuals' ?
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your a fucking clown in terms of your political views. honestly, baygbm knows more about pussy than you do about the roles of government.
Explain your thoughts.
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Hmm I live in a crappy apt, I think the government should buy me a new house. New truck too mine is getting old. Anything else I need the government to buy me?
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Hmm I live in a crappy apt, I think the government should buy me a new house. New truck too mine is getting old. Anything else I need the government to buy me?
Shit paper and a maid to wipe your ass ;D
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Explain your thoughts.
if it is unrealistic to believe that every person in the united states has the capability to provide themselves with healthcare, then it is the governments role to pool the peoples resources together in order to make it possible for everyone to get healthcare.
that is one of the most basic functions of any government, provide for the people that which they cannot provide for themselves.
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All you fags that think a govt run healthcare program is such a great thing.....visit a VA hospital sometime.
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You're serious? The Government has fucked up more programs than they can count.
They run it so good it's in the red ::)
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if it is unrealistic to believe that every person in the united states has the capability to provide themselves with healthcare, then it is the governments role to pool the peoples resources together in order to make it possible for everyone to get healthcare.
that is one of the most basic functions of any government, provide for the people that which they cannot provide for themselves.
Unless they are severely disabled, they have the capability.
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if it is unrealistic to believe that every person in the united states has the capability to provide themselves with healthcare, then it is the governments role to pool the peoples resources together in order to make it possible for everyone to get healthcare.
that is one of the most basic functions of any government, provide for the people that which they cannot provide for themselves.
Why stop there, why not get it to provide everything else some can't get on their own?
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Unless they are severely disabled, they have the capability.
lmao! and how is that? even if medical costs were fair and jusitified, and drugs were priced competitively and cheap, people n minimum and low slary jobs have abolsutely no capability to pay for any kind of real procedures or treatments.
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Why stop there, why not get it to provide everything else some can't get on their own?
obviously I meant that we should provide things essential to peoples basic rights of LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happyness. its plain to see that the health of a persons body is very closely tied into that persons right to LIFE, as well as the other two since without life there can be no liberty or happyness.
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All you fags that think a govt run healthcare program is such a great thing.....visit a VA hospital sometime.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html
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obviously I meant that we should provide things essential to peoples basic rights of LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happyness. its plain to see that the health of a persons body is very closely tied into that persons right to LIFE, as well as the other two since without life there can be no liberty or happyness.
You highlight life, but what about liberty and the pursuit of happiness for other people? Why should their rights be infringed upon? People have access to excellent healthcare in this country, it is their choice whether to secure employment that will pay for it.
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You highlight life, but what about liberty and the pursuit of happiness for other people? Why should their rights be infringed upon? People have access to excellent healthcare in this country, it is their choice whether to secure employment that will pay for it.
Zing!!!
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They run it so good it's in the red ::)
mostly under republican administrations
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html
Can you cite any other evidence to support this? The last time I visited one (yes personally, not reading online articles) was in 2002 and it was still woefully lacking. Overworked staff, subpar facilities, long waits, etc.....
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You highlight life, but what about liberty and the pursuit of happiness for other people? Why should their rights be infringed upon? People have access to excellent healthcare in this country, it is their choice whether to secure employment that will pay for it.
cept if you have a pre-existing condition, even one completely unrelated to the disease you may some day develop.
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Can you cite any other evidence to support this? The last time I visited one (yes personally, not reading online articles) was in 2002 and it was still woefully lacking. Overworked staff, subpar facilities, long waits, etc.....
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2007/12/10/gvsa1210.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/eveningnews/main2243606.shtml
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/21/AR2005082101073.html
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You highlight life, but what about liberty and the pursuit of happiness for other people? Why should their rights be infringed upon? People have access to excellent healthcare in this country, it is their choice whether to secure employment that will pay for it.
what rights are being infringed upon exactly? :)
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cept if you have a pre-existing condition, even one completely unrelated to the disease you may some day develop.
Totally agree....but tackling some of the problems with the insurance industry is not the same as revamping the entire healthcare system and putting it into a goverments hands who have shown themselves incompetent in so many areas, for so many years.
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Totally agree....but tackling some of the problems with the insurance industry is not the same as revamping the entire healthcare system and putting it into a goverments hands who have shown themselves incompetent in so many areas, for so many years.
The right not to have your money stolen to be part of the ponzi scheme.
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Totally agree....but tackling some of the problems with the insurance industry is not the same as revamping the entire healthcare system and putting it into a goverments hands who have shown themselves incompetent in so many areas, for so many years.
Exactly. For example: Health insurance companies are denying coverage based on pre existing conidition. Instead of getting rid of private insurance and socializing healthcare, just regulate the industry by saying they can no longer deny based on that. Quite simple really.
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Exactly. For example: Health insurance companies are denying coverage based on pre existing conidition. Instead of getting rid of private insurance and socializing healthcare, just regulate the industry by saying they can no longer deny based on that. Quite simple really.
ok, well, that's pretty much the current senate bill. it contains no public option, no optional buy-in to medicare, but it does mandate you to have medical insurance, so therefore you must buy it from one of the monopolies. and those monopolies have no incentives to lower cost.
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, it is their choice whether to secure employment that will pay for it.
Are you serious,man ?
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ok, well, that's pretty much the current senate bill. it contains no public option, no optional buy-in to medicare, but it does mandate you to have medical insurance, so therefore you must buy it from one of the monopolies. and those monopolies have no incentives to lower cost.
This "Must Buy" will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court if need be and there it will be struck down.
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This "Must Buy" will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court if need be and there it will be struck down.
i totally agree on that :)
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If this bill is so great then why is congress exempt from it?
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If this bill is so great then why is congress exempt from it?
they're not.
most of the HCR is about what insurance companies can and cannot do. If a public option or medicare buy-in (for people over 55) makes it into the final bill, then like everyone else, members of congress could choose to keep their existing coverage, or buy into the public option or medicare.
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Voluntary tax system is the answer folks.
You don't want to pay into welfare, fine, but you cant use it if you fall on hard times.
You dont want to pay into a people's healthcare plan, fine then you buy private insurance and if you get hurt you're on your own.
You don't want to pay into unemployment, fine but if you lose your job, you're on your own.
You don't want to pay into a social security program, fine then you can't collect it when you retire.
You don't want to pay for America's miltary endeavors overseas, fine but if you get your ass stuck in another country in a pinch...you're on your own.
You don't want to pay for public schooling, fine but your kids can't go for free.
You don't want to pay for public roads, fine but you can't use them or you pay a toll when you do.
You don't want to pay for libraries, parks and other public institutions, fine but you can't use them or pay each time you do.
Nobody should be forced to do that which goes against their heart - Cherokee Nation
A voluntary tax system means that politicians have to actually work to get you to sign on OR make programs within the funding that the public allows.
All taxation is theft - Josiah Warren
Taxation is the price we pay for civilization - Chief Justice Earl Warren
there are solutions kiddies :o
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Voluntary tax system is the answer folks.
You don't want to pay into welfare, fine, but you cant use it if you fall on hard times.
You dont want to pay into a people's healthcare plan, fine then you buy private insurance and if you get hurt you're on your own.
You don't want to pay into unemployment, fine but if you lose your job, you're on your own.
You don't want to pay into a social security program, fine then you can't collect it when you retire.
You don't want to pay for America's miltary endeavors overseas, fine but if you get your ass stuck in another country in a pinch...you're on your own.
You don't want to pay for public schooling, fine but your kids can't go for free.
You don't want to pay for public roads, fine but you can't use them or you pay a toll when you do.
You don't want to pay for libraries, parks and other public institutions, fine but you can't use them or pay each time you do.
Nobody should be forced to do that which goes against their heart - Cherokee Nation
A voluntary tax system means that politicians have to actually work to get you to sign on OR make programs within the funding that the public allows.
All taxation is theft - Josiah Warren
Taxation is the price we pay for civilization - Chief Justice Earl Warren
there are solutions kiddies :o
im trying to think of a principle that would make this unfeasable. i only see a stipulation that people would be forced to pay taxes for everything they use/will use..(potentially)..police, fire, military, roads...
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they're not.
most of the HCR is about what insurance companies can and cannot do. If a public option or medicare buy-in (for people over 55) makes it into the final bill, then like everyone else, members of congress could choose to keep their existing coverage, or buy into the public option or medicare.
Yes Tim, they will be. They will not be on the same programs they are forcing us to use.
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Voluntary tax system is the answer folks.
You don't want to pay into welfare, fine, but you cant use it if you fall on hard times.
You dont want to pay into a people's healthcare plan, fine then you buy private insurance and if you get hurt you're on your own.
Come on. Those who abuse this shit the most pay the least, and we won't even plug that up. Hell, we can't even limit abuse to OUR freeloaders. Government would never give productive citizens the option to choose.
We're crippled by a fake fucking sensitivity to the "needy."
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You dont want to pay for for firemen services, fine you can't call them when your house if on fire
same with Police.
Of course the government isn't going to let you "choose"...government, like religion is based upon force and control and requires your energy (money) to exist to feed the elites and priests. What are they going to do...get real jobs?
In the old days authority would simply kill you or bust you up like the worker's movements in the early 19th century. These days they are more 'civilized' and must use a propoganda system (media) to 'manufacture consent' of the masses. They do this by selling products. The product can be a good ole boy from Texas aiming to set right the moral wrong doings of the previous administration...it could be a black man with a muslim name aiming to set right the moral wrongs of the previous administration...it could be lingerie for 13 year old girls sold at Victoria's Secret Pink (wink wink)...it could be welfare for the lazy...it could be the soap opera of professional sports...it could be the rantings of fox news or Huffingtonpost.com...it could be magic protein powders to build muscle...or a new credit card...or Dances with wolves in 3D (I meant Avatar)...or Pepsi...or a Hemi engine...
A voluntary tax system is the only reasonable and logical evolutionary step forward for human society until we can get off this gravity well of a planet where top down pyramid style authoritarian structures simply won't be able to function effectively. Until then, they will chase you around the earth to make sure that you render to Ceasar your pound of flesh.
Interestly...tax control and tax rebellion are the only real fears of the elite. Right/left popular movements can all be dealt with in the long view but take away the beast's food and it starves. Make no mistake, they will break their own laws to stop a popular tax rebellion. The English sailed an army to the new world while in the middle of losing a war to Napolean to stop it and that was 300 years ago. What do you think they would do now? :D
everybody's got to fight to be free - Tom Petty
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what rights are being infringed upon exactly? :)
My right to punch wiggers in the face at random.
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Then you should go down to Main St. In Huntington, you'd have a field day!
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Then you should go down to Main St. In Huntington, you'd have a field day!
I tend to avoid that place. ;)
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Yes Tim, they will be. They will not be on the same programs they are forcing us to use.
and what are you being forced to use? You get to keep your private or company provided insurance. a public option or a medicare buy-in just gives you another choice.
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if it is unrealistic to believe that every person in the united states has the capability to provide themselves with healthcare, then it is the governments role to pool the peoples resources together in order to make it possible for everyone to get healthcare.
that is one of the most basic functions of any government, provide for the people that which they cannot provide for themselves.
It's not the governments role to do anything of the kind!
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and what are you being forced to use? You get to keep your private or company provided insurance. a public option or a medicare buy-in just gives you another choice.
but the real problem is that the govt option will be allowed to charge much less, and more importantly RUN IN THE RED, where a private company can't compete......this will lead to the govt option being the only option.
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but the real problem is that the govt option will be allowed to charge much less, and more importantly RUN IN THE RED, where a private company can't compete......this will lead to the govt option being the only option.
the VA doesn't run in the red. Does Medicare? there is talk of Medicare running out of money in the future (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/01/AR2006050101448.html), but I think it's not running in the red now. Not even with the Medicare drug plan that the republicans passed a few years ago, which was a big give away to the pharmaceutical companies.
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the VA doesn't run in the red. Does Medicare? there is talk of Medicare running out of money in the future (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/01/AR2006050101448.html), but I think it's not running in the red now. Not even with the Medicare drug plan that the republicans passed a few years ago, which was a big give away to the pharmaceutical companies.
The VA most certainly runs in the red, as it doesn't make a profit. Medicare being a govt run program is funding 100% by tax dollars, so it could be argued that it runs in the red also.....not exactly the same definition, but close enough.
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The VA most certainly runs in the red, as it doesn't make a profit. Medicare being a govt run program is funding 100% by tax dollars, so it could be argued that it runs in the red also.....not exactly the same definition, but close enough.
the VA shouldn't have to make a profit & as a matter of fact, it should be DEEPER in the red... because of gov't recklessness.
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the VA shouldn't have to make a profit & as a matter of fact, it should be DEEPER in the red... because of gov't recklessness.
I agree it shouldn't, but that wasn't the point of the argument. And the only reason it doesn't run more deeply in the red is that its not a pork-barrel program for politicians. If it was, trust me the pigs in Washington would be dumping 20x what they do now into it.
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Exactly.
As I posted the other day, the libs plan is to totally end private insurance forever by destroying its ability to compete against the government which has nearly unlimited resources (i.e. your money).
It's a joke.
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It's a joke.
not nearly as much of a joke as people proclaiming free market capitalism propping up monopolies.
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For it to be a monopoly, well, there would have to be only one or two medical insurance companies.
There are not.
Also, ridiculous laws limiting the public's options in terms of purchasing said insurance only serves to create such problems as localized/statewide insurance monopolies.
And government control of health care would be a goverenment monopoly...especially after they put the private sector companies out of business.
Yep, irony is a bitch. ::)
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Rush is back today.