Please get regular blood work if you're juicing!

[Voland]

THIS... fellas you can abuse the shit out aas, orals, gh insulin, fat burners, whatever it is you want.. make sure to FUCKING EAT HEALTHY and all that shit, BP issues, kidney, liver, cholesterol that won't be a problem..  EVERY SINGLE HEALTH RELATED PROBLEM STEMS FROM ONE THING: YOUR DIET!!!! And like Max B said, make sure to do a little cardio, just to keep well-rounded and for overall general health....

Eat healthy=abuse the shit out of hormonas 

Eating healthy means nothing. While most people know what eating crap is they ignore what healthy is.
Are veggies healthy? most would say yes. For me? not. Acid reflux, heartburn, gasses...all consequences of veggies. No thanks.
I stick to fish, chicken/turkey some meat and some rice and fruits as carb sources.

[Nomad]

Steroids strengthen your heart idiots. Its all the OTHER DRUGS that kill, not steroids.

[OptimusPrime1980]

hart disease is the no1 killer of people all over the world.... lol..
why would it be different with the bb community??
except when a bb had problems ..... STEROIDS!
i knew bb who had problems yes, also ones who never had problems....
also i knew normal people who had problems, and normal people who never had problems...
GENETICS.....
life is a big gamble man..... 

[che]

hart disease is the no1 killer of people all over the world.... lol..
why would it be different with the bb community??
except when a bb had problems ..... STEROIDS!
i knew bb who had problems yes, also ones who never had problems....
also i knew normal people who had problems, and normal people who never had problems...
GENETICS.....
life is a big gamble man..... 

The difference is that  the average age for men to have a first heart attack is 66  not 35 .

[sync pulse]

Don't overlook this. You may feel invincible but High blood pressure is the invisible killer.

A gym friend recently suffered a stroke resulting from high blood pressure and a myriad of other undiagnosed liver/kidney/circulatory issues. He hadn't visited a doctor in years, looked and felt great and used moderate doses of anabolics on a long term basis. He suffered a Left-Hemisphere Stroke, affecting his speech and language abilities.

Don't be afraid of your doctor. They won't judge you, but they will help you.
 
Many guys are in denial. As long as they look great on the outside, surely all is well on the inside.

I had a  HRT Doctor who also supervised steroid cycles for bodybuilders and athletes.  He said, "think of it as a glass of water,...once you have filled it if you keep pouring more in it just spills over the side...If you take more than the optimum dose it just spills over the sides and gives you sides with little benefit."

Things went great until one day he took on a new patient,...a uniformed Houston cop...He didn't take his prescriptions to the particular pharmacy that the doc told him to,...He went to the insurance company pharmacy,...The druggist came around the counter and asked point blank, "Are these for Bodybuilding purposes?"...Like the imbecile that he was he nodded and said, "yeah!"

The druggist brought the Texas Medical Board down on his head and he lost his license...So there are almost no more knowledgeable sports doctors that can supervise steroid cycles,...and you know that the morons that do this underground have only one motto, "up the dose."

[sync pulse]

Steroids strengthen your heart idiots. Its all the OTHER DRUGS that kill, not steroids.

Not if you have uncontrolled hypertension and lipids...and don't keep track of your prostate.(yes it means a finger up every so often in addition to the psa.)

[The Abdominal Snoman]

for several years when i was a "permabulker" my bp was about 150 / 90, no juice of course.

nowadays it's about 140/75... sucks inheriting my dad's high blood pressure.

sometimes i think i should just kill myself to remove this curse from the gene pool  

lolz

[gh15]

THIS... fellas you can abuse the shit out aas, orals, gh insulin, fat burners, whatever it is you want.. make sure to FUCKING EAT HEALTHY and all that shit, BP issues, kidney, liver, cholesterol that won't be a problem..  EVERY SINGLE HEALTH RELATED PROBLEM STEMS FROM ONE THING: YOUR DIET!!!! And like Max B said, make sure to do a little cardio, just to keep well-rounded and for overall general health....

Eat healthy=abuse the shit out of hormonas 

lol,, fellas still dont undertand they still dont get it ,,

H G H fix everything bad steroid do ,, every thign!,, the more hgh you take the better you will feel the more happy you will feel ,, the more harsh steroid uyo will be able to take
what the fuck doi yo uthink branch waren has some magic genetic bone? philsulina? lol i mean comon those felas abuse the flying day light out of hgh and then load on aas ,, whats so hard to understand

reason they can function is HIGH HIGH DOSES OF HGH and in some cases narcotics to be able to function when hgh is out for coupel weeks and trenbolona and anadrola are in ,, since you will need some meds to function and to be able to sleep,, you see it in small level with the  narcotic addict widow from this boarding,, this source is fucked up deep in the head ,, he is deep in the sourcing world and he need his narcotics to function because....he cant have high dose hgh ...you see it in small examples from fellas who are not profesionals,,

it is funny how generationnothingness will hear the truth and still! try to make something out of the truth that is not there lol

ABUSE OF HGH IS THE NAME OF THE GAME,, TRY TAKING 12 IU OF THANKTROPIN COMPARE TO 6 IU ...SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN  if you are a serious bodybuild you will see how 3 dimentional become from mini mutaititon to middle sized mutation ,,

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[FAST LANE]

lol,, fellas still dont undertand they still dont get it ,,

H G H fix everything bad steroid do ,, every thign!,, the more hgh you take the better you will feel the more happy you will feel ,, the more harsh steroid uyo will be able to take
what the fuck doi yo uthink branch waren has some magic genetic bone? philsulina? lol i mean comon those felas abuse the flying day light out of hgh and then load on aas ,, whats so hard to understand

reason they can function is HIGH HIGH DOSES OF HGH and in some cases narcotics to be able to function when hgh is out for coupel weeks and trenbolona and anadrola are in ,, since you will need some meds to function and to be able to sleep,, you see it in small level with the  narcotic addict widow from this boarding,, this source is fucked up deep in the head ,, he is deep in the sourcing world and he need his narcotics to function because....he cant have high dose hgh ...you see it in small examples from fellas who are not profesionals,,

it is funny how generationnothingness will hear the truth and still! try to make something out of the truth that is not there lol

ABUSE OF HGH IS THE NAME OF THE GAME,, TRY TAKING 12 IU OF THANKTROPIN COMPARE TO 6 IU ...SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN  if you are a serious bodybuild you will see how 3 dimentional become from mini mutaititon to middle sized mutation ,,

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gh15 approved

Amen boss!!

[The True Adonis]

Sorry to hear about your buddy. Sucks.

Guys, you can get your blood done for about $60-100. That's NOTHING to pay to see how things are looking on the inside. If you need help locating a place to do this, PM me, I'll get you the info.

Boost, I believe the biggest factor in your friends bad health was his "permabulking", which will lend to high cholesterol and BP. We really should be making an effort to be as lean as we can as much of the time as possible.

Adonis Approved, although many didn`t want to believe it a few years ago.

[deceiver]

The difference is that  the average age for men to have a first heart attack is 66  not 35 .

 

do you know what average means?

tip:

find average:

1 20 20 20 20 20

[che]

do you know what average means?

tip:

find average:

1 20 20 20 20 20

There are several ways to calculate it ,  do you know what ''mode'' means, retard ?

[Borracho]

There are several ways to calculate it ,  do you know what ''mode'' means, retard ?

lol statistics 101

[deceiver]

There are several ways to calculate it ,  do you know what ''mode'' means, retard ?

 

mode isn't equal to average unless you assume it's normal distribution, or something like that. by average we usually mean expected value which is irrelevant in this case...

what is relevant is propability of heart attack before given age, P(X<k)... And it's still not relevant unless you prove that this value is strongly affected by the use of steroids.

tbombz claiming 0.(3) ain't equal to 1/3, some other guy thinking 360 turn changes anything and now you with this... you getbiggers lack some common sense, don't you?

[BigCyp]

mode isn't equal to average unless you assume it's normal distribution, or something like that. by average we usually mean expected value which is irrelevant in this case...

what is relevant is propability of heart attack before given age, P(X<k)... And it's still not relevant unless you prove that this value is strongly affected by the use of steroids.

tbombz claiming 0.(3) ain't equal to 1/3, some other guy thinking 360 turn changes anything and now you with this... you getbiggers lack some common sense, don't you?

Ok Galileo

[da_vinci]

Eating healthy means nothing. While most people know what eating crap is they ignore what healthy is.
Are veggies healthy? most would say yes. For me? not. Acid reflux, heartburn, gasses...all consequences of veggies. No thanks.
I stick to fish, chicken/turkey some meat and some rice and fruits as carb sources.

Eating healthy is not about what you EAT, but about - what you DON'T eat actually...

Regarding BT, I'm completely n agreement, tho' I know a few fellas who have been "on" for the past 20-25years (most of the time - just aas, lowe'ish/moderate doses, but constant, with very short breaks, rotating for bulking/cutting, GH has been introducent just for the past 2-3years..) and hasn't had a single BT in that time lol.. crazy fucks. Healthy and jacked (still), who knows.. maybe they'll drop dead by age 55 or maybe not.. Oh - they never ever abused alcohol, never did narcs or other recreational shit.. And ate/eats healthy and clean most of the time.

[gh2]

lol,, fellas still dont undertand they still dont get it ,,

H G H fix everything bad steroid do ,, every thign!,, the more hgh you take the better you will feel the more happy you will feel ,, the more harsh steroid uyo will be able to take
what the fuck doi yo uthink branch waren has some magic genetic bone? philsulina? lol i mean comon those felas abuse the flying day light out of hgh and then load on aas ,, whats so hard to understand

reason they can function is HIGH HIGH DOSES OF HGH and in some cases narcotics to be able to function when hgh is out for coupel weeks and trenbolona and anadrola are in ,, since you will need some meds to function and to be able to sleep,, you see it in small level with the  narcotic addict widow from this boarding,, this source is fucked up deep in the head ,, he is deep in the sourcing world and he need his narcotics to function because....he cant have high dose hgh ...you see it in small examples from fellas who are not profesionals,,

it is funny how generationnothingness will hear the truth and still! try to make something out of the truth that is not there lol

ABUSE OF HGH IS THE NAME OF THE GAME,, TRY TAKING 12 IU OF THANKTROPIN COMPARE TO 6 IU ...SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN  if you are a serious bodybuild you will see how 3 dimentional become from mini mutaititon to middle sized mutation ,,

gh15 approved

gh15 approved

What about enlargement of the heart? Does hgh not increase the size of the heart making the walls of the left ventricular thicker and therefor weaker?

[da_vinci]

What about enlargement of the heart? Does hgh not increase the size of the heart making the walls of the left ventricular thicker and therefor weaker?

Doesn't it enlarge because of chronic hypertension? (if so - BP meds would cause it to "athropy" if administered long enough). Oh, and I remember some study, the result was that - administration of viagra for some time caused the enlargement of mice heart to be reversed as a "side effect".. Just a flashback (I'm pretty sure it's not a "permanent" condition and something may be done, as it's a muscle after all..).

p.s. - here it is: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/59635-viagra-may-reverse-enlarged-heart-damage.html ; http://www.ergogenics.org/viagra8.html

[gh2]

Doesn't it enlarge because of chronic hypertension? (if so - BP meds would cause it to "athropy" if administered long enough). Oh, and I remember some study, the result was that - administration of viagra for some time caused the enlargement of mice heart to be reversed as a "side effect".. Just a flashback (I'm pretty sure it's not a "permanent" condition and something may be done, as it's a muscle after all..).

p.s. - here it is: http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/59635-viagra-may-reverse-enlarged-heart-damage.html ; http://www.ergogenics.org/viagra8.html

I read about the viagra too but I don't really see taking viagra long term as an option to keep the heart from thickening. Weight lifting in itself will cause thickening of the left ventricular because of the pressure/stress during heavy lifting. It would seem logical that AAS and HGH would increase this thickening. As we know no real long term studies have been done but I see this discussed all over the internet but of course there are no studies to conclude anything. Add to this all the stories about autopsied powerlifters/bodybuilders/strong men with enlarged hearts and a myth/truth (?) is created.

[Dr Dutch]

Check your blood pressure yourself, buy a cheap meter. BTW it's silly to go for those 120/70 numbers all the time, bit higher is no problem. You can check bloodsugar and cholesterol yourself easily. If you do heavy orals have a screening blood test, if not insured it can't be that expensive...

says Dr Dutch

[randy841]

Doesn't it enlarge because of chronic hypertension? (if so - BP meds would cause it to "athropy" if administered long enough). Oh, and I remember some study, the result was that - administration of viagra for some time caused the enlargement of mice heart to be reversed as a "side effect"..
...

Is that part of the reason Viagra falls in the arsenal of professional bodybuilders anabolic regimens? For the heart benefit? As well as the increased blood flow to the muscles?

There was a discussion here on the forums last week - how some pro's use it during competition for increased muscle pumps, as well as for training.

[Benoitlapierre]

27 years old, been on for 6 years, rarely taking more than 6 weeks off. BP 160/100.

1200mgs per week total (If he was telling me the truth)

Very high liver enzymes, terrible blood lipid (cholesterol) profile

he's slurring his words at the moment. Really tragic and completely preventable.

ppls with high cholesterol live longer

diovan does th blood pressure job well

for liver enzymes , when your fuck you take break ,,

[OptimusPrime1980]

Check your blood pressure yourself, buy a cheap meter. BTW it's silly to go for those 120/70 numbers all the time, bit higher is no problem. You can check bloodsugar and cholesterol yourself easily. If you do heavy orals have a screening blood test, if not insured it can't be that expensive...

says Dr Dutch

correct me if i am wrong dr...
but isn't it true that , higher bodyweight, big muscles, heavy weight training ... all these things by themself cause a bit higher bp???
i mean 150/80 to me is not that high for a big dude that weighs 250 plus...
i think people are a bit to freaked on this subject...
also a high dyastolic is worse then the systolic on the higher side... correct?
steroids cause high bp , because of the water that you retain.... get that under control and there should be no problem as to bp....
aside from the thicker blood you get from steroids.... that can be solved by taking aspirine...
a good friend of mine suffered a hartattack.....
docter asked only 2 things.....
does it run in your familiy and he asked if he smoked.... steroids were mentioned only when he was recovered....
and the doc said they are not the biggest problem at all... sure there are risks... but genetics are factor no1...
and smoking.... smoking is way , way worse than anything.... worse then steroids, worse then alcohol...
sometimes when i go out i have people telling me i will die young because of steroids.. they are standing there being 30kg overweight and drinking a beer and smoking a sigarette.... i just shake my head and say..... sure....

[Cutlet767]

Lol, can't help but think of Zyzz and the other fags who will soon follow him.

What about enlargement of the heart? Does hgh not increase the size of the heart making the walls of the left ventricular thicker and therefor weaker?

Lol do you really think a retard like GH15 will be able to answer this?

His answer to everything is Kigtropin. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 

[gh15]

Lol, can't help but think of Zyzz and the other fags who will soon follow him.

Lol do you really think a retard like GH15 will be able to answer this?

His answer to everything is Kigtropin. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 

hgh increase size of everything,, biger heart = stronger heart lol

to be serious for a moment,, it is all genetic! this ! is what geneticv is about ,, yor ability to pull through the hormones and improve!,, not the natural bodybuild balonie lol


read what i say 50 times you will see and think im right because this retard ...is right : )

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