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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on October 31, 2011, 05:14:26 PM
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World Champion C T Fletcher demontrates his natural training routine that he used to become a World Champion on the Bench Press, Strict Curl, and Body Builder. All natural, Drug Free.
holy crap
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you should have a public acces talk show
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Not natural, but I like this guy. Charismatic.
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Not natural, but I like this guy. Charismatic.
why does he claim natural tho
getbig said the strongest naturals can get to 4 plates MAX
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Of course he's not going to say he's on boatloads of drugs...
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Of course he's not going to say he's on boatloads of drugs...
yes but why not just omit the fact he is on dem roidz instead of claiming natural which only attracts attention to the subject and the obvious LIES
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u can see his gyno through his shirt
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u can see his gyno through his shirt
all fat guys have tits
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i really find his strength disturbing , just chatting while resting 405 on his chest then pressing it out like it's noting
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so do you think he's natural getbig?
benches as much as kai greene if not more
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=298302.0;attach=340114;image)
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i really find his strength disturbing , just chatting while resting 405 on his chest then pressing it out like it's noting
He was showing off...I've been trying to find a V Grip dip bar like that...
Didn't he compete I a few bbing contests?
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He was showing off...I've been trying to find a V Grip dip bar like that...
Didn't he compete I a few bbing contests?
i dont know but here he talks about bodybuilding
mindblowing claims
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Strong dude but he is not natural.
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Strong dude but he is not natural.
he said you can get 22" arms naturally
oh brother ???
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he said you can get 22" arms naturally
oh brother ???
There are some black guys who can get freaky results all natural. But solid 22 inch arms without massive hormonization I very much doubt.
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There are some black guys who can get freaky results all natural. But solid 22 inch arms without massive hormonization I very much doubt.
i doubt 19" is even possible natural for the juiciest black guy
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i doubt 19" is even possible natural for the juiciest black guy
I think 19 is possible. I have know a few people who I believe are natural (obviously you can never be 100% sure) that had 47-48cm arms at a pretty low BF%.
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I think 19 is possible. I have know a few people who I believe are natural (obviously you can never be 100% sure) that had 47-48cm arms at a pretty low BF%.
well of course we need to take height into consideration too
but for example brandon curry has 19" arms and he's juiced to the gills and a black guy
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is he stronger than this guy tho...
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why does he claim natural tho
getbig said the strongest naturals can get to 4 plates MAX
yeah I know, when I got past 4 plates naturally and was then told by Getbig it was impossible I felt lost.
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yeah I know, when I got past 4 plates naturally and was then told by Getbig it was impossible I felt lost.
so you actually did 4 plates natural?
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so you actually did 4 plates natural?
yep
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yep
Dude, what is your training routine ;) ?
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A strong natural athlete.
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yep
not sure if i should believe this ???
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I have no doubt he's natural...There are some amazing brothers out there....no racist.
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I have no doubt he's natural...There are some amazing brothers out there....no racist.
what the hell
his arm is nearly coleman sized
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not sure if i should believe this ???
I hear ya, cause according to Getbig it is impossible....soooooo... ...
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I hear ya, cause according to Getbig it is impossible....soooooo... ...
i'm thrown into a state of confusion
DAILY!!!
when it comes to natural vs hormonized
fuckkkkkk
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i'm thrown into a state of confusion
DAILY!!!
when it comes to natural vs hormonized
fuckkkkkk
Use the coin method ;D.
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Dude, look at his bodyfat. Is it possible hes on roids? Of course. I don't think he is as throughout my many years in gyms, I've seen some men black and white strong as fuck with and without drugs...
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Dude, look at his bodyfat. Is it possible hes on roids? Of course. I don't think he is as throughout my many years in gyms, I've seen some men black and white strong as fuck with and without drugs...
Milton, do you even lift? ???
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I don't believe it, but will give it a tiny benefit of a doubt. Fletcher was around Gold's Venice in the early 90's, and I doubt a guy could stay natural in that environment. That being said.....
It's all about bodyweight, I can believe someone 275+ lbs perhaps putting up #500 naturally. There were guys doing close to that naturally in the late 40's-early 50's. It's a tough number though.
Also I'd like to see his 3 lift total, every once and a while you'll see someone with a totally outrageous pet lift, but when you look at the other two, they're strong average. I've seen it a lot with the deadlift, just as an aside.
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Milton, do you even lift? ???
More than you can dream of fa ggot...Why don't you post a pic champ?
All hormonized...
Bench Max: 475
Squat Max: 600
Deadlift max: 600
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More than you can dream of fa ggot...Why don't you post a pic champ?
All hormonized...
Bench Max: 475
Squat Max: 600
Deadlift max: 600
I'm sure you did, stud. ::) Any proof?
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I'm sure you did, stud. ::) Any proof?
Yeah, ask your mother...Now fuck off troll...
Why'd you ask me then? Post some pics of video of yourself stud...
And yes, those are accurate numbers...Don't believe me? Your bad.
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Yeah, ask your mother...Now fuck off troll...
Why'd you ask me then? Post some pics of video of yourself stud...
And yes, those are accurate numbers...Don't believe me? Your bad.
u are 1 fucking cheeky kunt mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with muscles lol fuckin sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil gay boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum maple story website website that 1 of your faverite places to look at men u lil fuckin gay boy fone me if u got da balls cheeky prick see if u can step up lil queer
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u are 1 fucking cheeky kunt mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with muscles lol fuckin sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil gay boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum maple story website website that 1 of your faverite places to look at men u lil fuckin gay boy fone me if u got da balls cheeky prick see if u can step up lil queer
What the hell are you babbling about queer?...Please go on and wreck me... ::) ::) ::)
Post a pic or video or stfu..If there are people warning you about me, perhaps you should heed their advice...
wreck me....lol....what a fag....You and deadz need to get life and get over me....what losers you are.
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What the hell are you babbling about queer?...Please go on and wreck me... ::) ::) ::)
Post a pic or video or stfu..If there are people warning you about me, perhaps you should heed their advice...
wreck me....lol....what a fag....You and deadz need to get life and get over me....what losers you are.
The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.
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I know a 275# powerlifter that has competed for years that has to wear a shirt for anything over 495. And I know a juicer about 230-240 that reps 495 for 8-10....no shirt.
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The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.
Dude, wtf are you talking about. Is there another Wiggs you're having a conversation with? Are you trying to feel sorry for me? lol
Just say what your trying to say and quit hiding it in code...Before yesterday, I had no clue who you were...I'd like it to remain that way...Let me guess, you looked at my resume or some shit and saw how awesome I was and are now confused as to why a good looking, educated black man is unemployed, smoking pot, chilling on getbig right? lol...When you figure it out...Please tell me...lol..Thanks for caring.
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Dude, wtf are you talking about. Is there another Wiggs you're having a conversation with? Are you trying to feel sorry for me? lol
Just say what your trying to say and quit hiding it in code...Before yesterday, I had no clue who you are...I'd like it to remain that way...Let me guess, you looked at my resume or some shit and saw how awesome I was and are now confused as to why a good looking, educated black man is unemployed, smoking pot, chilling on getbig right? lol...When you figure it out...Please tell me...lol..Thanks for caring.
Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins... I think you might have something wrong with your brain. Why are you trying to be all cyberbully on me? Do you really think anyone cares about you? You talk to people like they are trash. Why would you want to come off like that? Does it make you feel tough? Are you trying to make up for having a small smelly dick? You need to see a shrink. Have fun going through life wondering why people don't like you. I'll give you a hint though, you try to make others feel like shit. But you have failed on me. I know what you are. See, the thing is, I'm a nice guy. You on the other hand can't control your stupidity. You really don't even realize that you are a jerk, do you? When you're older maybe you can look back on times like this and see that you were unnecessarily rude to people you don't know. Right now you think you are being clever and it is just a fun time. Keep treating people like you do and see where you end up.
You can not compete with my intellect so I warn you to give up before you embarrass yourself further...
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Wiggins, Wiggins, Wiggins... I think you might have something wrong with your brain. Why are you trying to be all cyberbully on me? Do you really think anyone cares about you? You talk to people like they are trash. Why would you want to come off like that? Does it make you feel tough? Are you trying to make up for having a small smelly dick? You need to see a shrink. Have fun going through life wondering why people don't like you. I'll give you a hint though, you try to make others feel like shit. But you have failed on me. I know what you are. See, the thing is, I'm a nice guy. You on the other hand can't control your stupidity. You really don't even realize that you are a jerk, do you? When you're older maybe you can look back on times like this and see that you were unnecessarily rude to people you don't know. Right now you think you are being clever and it is just a fun time. Keep treating people like you do and see where you end up.
You can not compete with my intellect so I warn you to give up before you embarrass yourself further...
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha!!!
Says the guy that's obsessed with me....If you can't handle getbig....Perhaps you should leave...hahahahahahahaha
Compete with your intellect.....hahahahaha hahahahahahhahahaha....
You guys on here.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
You sound like a whiny little bitch...You and deadz....Go to gym kid....You have no clue who or what your dealing with...
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I know a 275# powerlifter that has competed for years that has to wear a shirt for anything over 495. And I know a juicer about 230-240 that reps 495 for 8-10....no shirt.
You should tell your juicer friend then to enter powerlifting. At that weight, he would be among the top 242 raw bench pressers in the country.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Says the guy that's obsessed with me....If you can't handle getbig....Perhaps you should leave...hahahahahahahaha
Compete with your intellect.....hahahahaha hahahahahahhahahaha....
You guys on here.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
You sound like a whiny little bitch...You and deadz....Go to gym kid....You have no clue who or what your dealing with...
You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, you couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel. You are a canker, an open wound. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You took your last vacation in the Islets of Langerhans. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, and a weasel. I take that back; you are a festering pustule on a weasel's rump. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
Don't mess with me, Milton...
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You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, you couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel. You are a canker, an open wound. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You took your last vacation in the Islets of Langerhans. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, and a weasel. I take that back; you are a festering pustule on a weasel's rump. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
Don't mess with me, Milton...
LMAO!!!! This is great! I love it. ;D :D ;D
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Liquid_C...he's the same guy the whole gym stopped to watch do 455 seated military presses for 5-6 reps...never seen anything like it before or since.
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Didn't he compete I a few bbing contests?
C T Fletcher
1983
Mr Los Angeles - AAU, Tall, 4th
2009
Natural Universe - INBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd
© MuscleMemory
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Liquid_C...he's the same guy the whole gym stopped to watch do 455 seated military presses for 5-6 reps...never seen anything like it before or since.
That's insane strength, especially for that bw. Sometimes you'll find freaks like that that never compete for whatever reason.
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C T Fletcher
1983
Mr Los Angeles - AAU, Tall, 4th
2009
Natural Universe - INBA, Masters 50+ Short, 2nd
© MuscleMemory
Fuck is 50+! :o That's an old video right?
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Dude's a beast.
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That's insane strength, especially for that bw. Sometimes you'll find freaks like that that never compete for whatever reason.
Some guys just like to lift weights and then go home to their families and friends. Whether or not the world knows how strong they are isn't important to them. But now we have youtube so every jackwagon can boast.
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CT Flether was an insane raw bench presser. He had a massive heart attack and I believe he either had quadruple bypass surgery or possibly a heart transplant. He is still very strong despite that. He has always clamed natural and I really don't care either way he's a strong guy with great "blackman" genetics as they say.
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Liquid_C, that dude and his brothers owned a roofing company, the days I would see them were their chest and shoulder days but I was told he regularly went over 500 for sets of 10 on squats and deadlifts.
Although you could always tell when he was "off" or on maintenance, the #'s would plummet!! :D
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CT Flether was an insane raw bench presser. He had a massive heart attack and I believe he either had quadruple bypass surgery or possibly a heart transplant. He is still very strong despite that. He has always clamed natural and I really don't care either way he's a strong guy with great "blackman" genetics as they say.
i can see that happening with all the double cheeseburgers he was claiming to eat
when i took creatine and ate ALLOT of cheeseburgers i was very strong i could curl with swing 185 for 15 reps
vegetarianism doesnt put enough heme-iron into the system and wont make you that strong but have much less health issues besides fat gain
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so you actually did 4 plates natural?
So have I.
In fact, last Saturday I hit a TIGHT 402 in my powerlifting meet. Was good for a lot more, too. But on my third attempt I lost my arch when the lift-off was extremely shallow over my chest.
I can touch-and-go WELL over four plates ... and I am 100 percent natural (well, outside of creatine and caffeine).
My lifts:
650
402
650
Next year ... WELL over 1800 total. Raw and natural.
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Also I'd like to see his 3 lift total, every once and a while you'll see someone with a totally outrageous pet lift, but when you look at the other two, they're strong average. I've seen it a lot with the deadlift, just as an aside.
Wonderful point.
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CT Flether was an insane raw bench presser. He had a massive heart attack and I believe he either had quadruple bypass surgery or possibly a heart transplant. He is still very strong despite that. He has always clamed natural and I really don't care either way he's a strong guy with great "blackman" genetics as they say.
I don't think he had a healthy diet, and his bodyweight didn't help.
Many times that "blackman genetics" is a double edged sword as well...
You can like lifting, but with hypertension and high cholesterol, one can find themselves going the way of Grizzly Brown...better get that cardio going.
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More than you can dream of fa ggot...Why don't you post a pic champ?
All hormonized...
Bench Max: 475
Squat Max: 600
Deadlift max: 600
crazy high bench to other lift ratio
not that the other lifts aren't great
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crazy high bench to other lift ratio
not that the other lifts aren't great
i have shorter arms, especially for a black guy. I can press anything all day. I can't really pull for shit...long limbs help and I don't have long limbs but I'm no midget.
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i have shorter arms, especially for a black guy. I can press anything all day. I can't really pull for shit...long limbs help and I don't have long limbs but I'm no midget.
the opposite of lay nortom
he has ass loads of deadlift and squat videos uploaded but not a single bench so i assume it sucks
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Milton, do you even lift? ???
Heres your answer.......
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Heres your answer.......
Yeah on me that's called an offseason arm. On you that's called a leg. :-*
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Yeah on me that's called an offseason arm. On you that's called a leg. :-*
You mean FATCEPS. LOL
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You mean FATCEPS. LOL
It's up to you what you want to call your leg.
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It's up to you what you want to call your leg.
So, how does it feel to be on the losing end of a threat. I owned you into oblivion. How many times have you pmed A23 for help. LOL poor hapless, helpless, little Wiggins. So sad.
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So, how does it feel to be on the losing end of a threat. I owned you into oblivion. How many times have you pmed A23 for help. LOL poor hapless, helpless, little Wiggins. So sad.
No here knows who you are.
Every here knows who I am.
Case closed.
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wigs looks like that cop in "the wire" but darker
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/The_Wire_Carver.jpg)
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No here knows who you are.
Every here knows who I am.
Case closed.
You better be extra nice to getbiggers or pms will be sent.....
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i emailed him to ask how to train and he actually replied :o
....i learned quite a bit from a guy named Louie Simmons, board presses, partials, floor presses etc.Check the internet for BOARD PRESSES this is my favorite techniqe for gaining strength on bench. Tricep training is crucial for a big bench, so don't overlook them.....
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Fletcher went back to bodybuilding in 2008. He says his goal is to be the biggest natural bodybuilder in the world.
This video is nearly 3 years old, after placing second in his class at the Natural Universe and America. Since then, he's won his class at the 2011 INBA World Championships, both in the Masters (50+) and the open category. He now has his pro card in the INBA.
Note the size difference between now and about 20 years ago, during his powerlifting heyday.
In an interview with Metroflex Long Beach (where he's a trainer, I believe), he said he'd like to one day compete at the Olympia (start at 4:20), a tough feat considering he looks like Darrem Charles with Paul Dillet's arms.
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I understand people claiming natural all the time I really do, but there has to be a question asked first for this claim, nothing more annoying then a scumbag liar claiming natural and using that as a means to promote his business. Must he say it ten time over and over again, what jackass.
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I understand people claiming natural all the time I really do, but there has to be a question asked first for this claim, nothing more annoying then a scumbag liar claiming natural and using that as a means to promote his business. Must he say it ten time over and over again, what jackass.
Man of Steel is a good bro - there's no need to call him a jackass.
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I understand people claiming natural all the time I really do, but there has to be a question asked first for this claim, nothing more annoying then a scumbag liar claiming natural and using that as a means to promote his business. Must he say it ten time over and over again, what jackass.
mos is my bro, wtf, I am referring to that clown in the video that says he wants to jump on the Olympia stage and show them how it`s done the natural way.
400lb naturally is possible in fact 500 is too
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yeah but in such sports, world champions arent made naturaly :D
No of course not I was only referring that I believe MOS to be natural even though he benched 400.
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I understand people claiming natural all the time I really do, but there has to be a question asked first for this claim, nothing more annoying then a scumbag liar claiming natural and using that as a means to promote his business. Must he say it ten time over and over again, what jackass.
So far, all of his bench press records have been set in drug-tested competitions and he competes in the INBA. I went to their website and they actually have a "Hall of Shame", listing some of the bodybuilders that have popped positive for steroids. The specific substance for which they were caught using are listed, with levels displayed as well.
They are also banned for life from the INBA and all its affiliates (unless, they're minors; then, they're banned until age 21, with their faces and names not posted).
Back to Fletcher, I'm not sure if he'll make it to an IFBB stage. Again, he appears to be a light-heavyweight with a superheavyweight's arms.
Then again, if he qualifies for the NPC Masters Nationals and wins his class there, he gets a pro card with the IFBB, which means he'd have to surrender his INBA card. The NPC doesn't care about the INBA pro card. Kai Greene was a pro in the WNBF (he won that organization's Mr. Universe), while competing in the NPC.
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So far, all of his bench press records have been set in drug-tested competitions and he competes in the INBA. I went to their website and they actually have a "Hall of Shame", listing some of the bodybuilders that have popped positive for steroids. The specific substance for which they were caught using are listed, with levels displayed as well.
They are also banned for life from the INBA and all its affiliates (unless, they're minors; then, they're banned until age 21, with their faces and names not posted).
Back to Fletcher, I'm not sure if he'll make it to an IFBB stage. Again, he appears to be a light-heavyweight with a superheavyweight's arms.
Then again, if he qualifies for the NPC Masters Nationals and wins his class there, he gets a pro card with the IFBB, which means he'd have to surrender his INBA card. The NPC doesn't care about the INBA pro card. Kai Greene was a pro in the WNBF (he won that organization's Mr. Universe), while competing in the NPC.
OK very nice resume, what`s your point cause sure know it is not trying to prove that he in fact is natural.
He was 290 at 5`10 in the first video and he is not fat by any means. So what you are telling me is that there is no gap between a natural like him and a juice to the gills Olympian, this guy is bigger then Cormier, Wheeler, Levrone, Ray and the lot of them, McWay you know better bro, I certainly did not expect that from you. :o
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As natural as a cock in your troath
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i dont know but here he talks about bodybuilding
mindblowing claims
epic form
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OK very nice resume, what`s your point cause sure know it is not trying to prove that he in fact is natural.
He was 290 at 5`10 in the first video and he is not fat by any means. So what you are telling me is that there is no gap between a natural like him and a juice to the gills Olympian, this guy is bigger then Cormier, Wheeler, Levrone, Ray and the lot of them, McWay you know better bro, I certainly did not expect that from you. :o
When did Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Cormier, et. al. subject themselves to multiple drug tests in both powerlifting and bodybuilding?
Either this guy has some super-secret pharmaceuticals, about which nobody knows, that allows him to beat these tests repeatedly (for over 30 years). OR, maybe, just maybe the guy is legit.
Besides, look at his physique in bodybuilding mode. Except for his arms, he looks like a light heavyweight (at least, in street clothes).
In powerlifting mode, he has a bit of a tummy on his and his arms aren't defined. But, overall he was HUGE (5'11", 290 lb)
Now, he looks to be about 215 or 220 at 5'10".
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as natural as barney frank is straight (http://windycitizensports.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/barney-frank-man-boobs-3.jpg?w=595)
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When did Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Cormier, et. al. subject themselves to multiple drug tests in both powerlifting and bodybuilding?
Either this guy has some super-secret pharmaceuticals, about which nobody knows, that allows him to beat these tests repeatedly (for over 30 years). OR, maybe, just maybe the guy is legit.
Besides, look at his physique in bodybuilding mode. Except for his arms, he looks like a light heavyweight (at least, in street clothes).
In powerlifting mode, he has a bit of a tummy on his and his arms aren't defined. But, overall he was HUGE (5'11", 290 lb)
Now, he looks to be about 215 or 220 at 5'10".
Naive is not even the word to describe your position here, wow just wow. I used to be the one to test people at shows bro, that`s right me and I used stay with the chosen person until they had to pee and I would walk in a stall and watch them pee bro, funny how out of the 100 competitors they only chose 1 female and 1 male, ya nice drug testing and besides anyone can be on prop for 15 years, stop for a month and pass the drug test, not rocket scienece to past a drug test. If these guy is 290 in that shape then that would mean there would be people walking around at 390 at the same height when you add gh and the works, ``don`t be so gullible McFly``---back to the future ;D
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Of course 400lbs is possible naturally.
I have two friends who can hit that. Both are about 5'9 with short arms. Though relatively light.
If you are big and heavy with good genetics 400lbs is possible. Add in great genetics and you are likely to hit 450lbs one day.
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Of course 400lbs is possible naturally.
I have two friends who can hit that. Both are about 5'9 with short arms. Though relatively light.
If you are big and heavy with good genetics 400lbs is possible. Add in great genetics and you are likely to hit 450lbs one day.
even 500 raw is possible
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I would say so if short levers or just a huge guy.
For me maybe not though I will expect to hit 450lbs maybe by the time I am 30
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Of course 400lbs is possible naturally.
I have two friends who can hit that. Both are about 5'9 with short arms. Though relatively light.
If you are big and heavy with good genetics 400lbs is possible. Add in great genetics and you are likely to hit 450lbs one day.
:D
you are such a liar AND a moron ... join Onetimeiateacock
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Is it impossible for a man training 8 years who is over 6'3 and 120kg bodyweight to bench over 400lbs?
You are the moron.
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Is it impossible for a man training 8 years who is over 6'3 and 120kg bodyweight to bench over 400lbs?
You are the moron.
I don't think so, no, but this is an entirely different issue than CT and his benching.
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Sevastase is a moan about this issue.
He was on lots of drugs and got very strong. Yet when he was not on any drugs he was very average for a 40 year old man who had trained for 20 years.
This anger likely stems from the absolute desire, optimism and drive to be a professional tennis player. Dedicating and sacrificing his whole youth to this to escape poverty and disease back in Romania. This impressive desire was absolutely diminished by the subsequent fail of this pursuit. naturally this was not attributed to some people being better, working harder, being luckier, having better coaches or a multitude of other reasons.
Sev attributes everything to drugs and is a firm believer if he cannot do it then nobody can. Whilst this is admirable in an exhuberant and keen young tennis player in a middle aged man it stinks of self loathing and angst.
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Sevastase is a moan about this issue.
He was on lots of drugs and got very strong. Yet when he was not on any drugs he was very average for a 40 year old man who had trained for 20 years.
This anger likely stems from the absolute desire, optimism and drive to be a professional tennis player. Dedicating and sacrificing his whole youth to this to escape poverty and disease back in Romania. This impressive desire was absolutely diminished by the subsequent fail of this pursuit. naturally this was not attributed to some people being better, working harder, being luckier, having better coaches or a multitude of other reasons.
Sev attributes everything to drugs and is a firm believer if he cannot do it then nobody can. Whilst this is admirable in an exhuberant and keen young tennis player in a middle aged man it stinks of self loathing and angst.
damn, longest post ever by ursa minor.
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Sevastase is a moan about this issue.
He was on lots of drugs and got very strong. Yet when he was not on any drugs he was very average for a 40 year old man who had trained for 20 years.
This anger likely stems from the absolute desire, optimism and drive to be a professional tennis player. Dedicating and sacrificing his whole youth to this to escape poverty and disease back in Romania. This impressive desire was absolutely diminished by the subsequent fail of this pursuit. naturally this was not attributed to some people being better, working harder, being luckier, having better coaches or a multitude of other reasons.
Sev attributes everything to drugs and is a firm believer if he cannot do it then nobody can. Whilst this is admirable in an exhuberant and keen young tennis player in a middle aged man it stinks of self loathing and angst.
Well said
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I would say so if short levers or just a huge guy.
For me maybe not though I will expect to hit 450lbs maybe by the time I am 30
thats a good goal man
ive benched over 400 and im natural.. heavy benching does take a toll on the joints over time though... particularly the shoulder
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that ct guy gas some serious guns
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Of course 400lbs is possible naturally.
I have two friends who can hit that. Both are about 5'9 with short arms. Though relatively light.
If you are big and heavy with good genetics 400lbs is possible. Add in great genetics and you are likely to hit 450lbs one day.
I've done 405 naturally, and I'd consider myself average as far as genetics go. And I did that, weighing around 250. That was back in 2005, which I mentioned on this forum a while back.
Naive is not even the word to describe your position here, wow just wow. I used to be the one to test people at shows bro, that`s right me and I used stay with the chosen person until they had to pee and I would walk in a stall and watch them pee bro, funny how out of the 100 competitors they only chose 1 female and 1 male, ya nice drug testing and besides anyone can be on prop for 15 years, stop for a month and pass the drug test, not rocket scienece to past a drug test. If these guy is 290 in that shape then that would mean there would be people walking around at 390 at the same height when you add gh and the works, ``don`t be so gullible McFly``---back to the future ;D
There's nothing naive about my position. As I said, either he has a drug regimen that's so good he can buck the system for 30 years plus; or, the guy's legit and basically blessed on the genetic side.
Plus, at 290, he wasn't exactly looking like Ronnie Coleman (circa 2003).
If anybody could do what you claim, as far as beating tests go, the INBA wouldn't have their "Hall of Shame", obviously. Yes, there are those who attempt to beat the test. Some actually do.
That hardly means that every one who passes cheated, unless you're one of the usual crew who thinks the only way you can be natural is if you look like garbage.
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Not natural, but I like this guy. Charismatic.
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This works for me too.
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I just want to add that IFBB on amateur level in europe is drug tested contest, meaning that every world champion, national champion is drug tested during contest. Many guys are disqualified for drugs as well. Does that mean that they are natural? Hell no.
You should have seen faces of poeple back stage at junior championships in eastern europe when I told them WADA came (they didn't expect that, IFBB is runnin on low budget here). There are tons of methods and none of them are really sophisticated. I won't go into details for obvious reasons but trust me, "drug tested" is far from "natural".
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I just want to add that IFBB on amateur level in europe is drug tested contest, meaning that every world champion, national champion is drug tested during contest. Many guys are disqualified for drugs as well. Does that mean that they are natural? Hell no.
You should have seen faces of poeple back stage at junior championships in eastern europe when I told them WADA came (they didn't expect that, IFBB is runnin on low budget here). There are tons of methods and none of them are really sophisticated. I won't go into details for obvious reasons but trust me, "drug tested" is far from "natural".
WADA does the INBA testing. Of course, you're going to have those who attempt to buck the system. But, many of them wash out anyway.
http://www.naturalbodybuilding.com/pages/pages/failed_athletes.php
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thats a good goal man
ive benched over 400 and im natural.. heavy benching does take a toll on the joints over time though... particularly the shoulder
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that ct guy gas some serious guns
How many people would bulk up to 290 or so, the way CT looked in his bench video, to look the way he looks now?
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How many people would bulk up to 290 or so, the way CT looked in his bench video, to look the way he looks now?
How are you comparing him in the bench video at 290 to now. he has at least 30 more pounds of muscle in that bench video then he does now, he is a monster in that video, bigger then Cormier and Levrone, but ya he is natural ::)
Wake up people, this is how simple it is, do prop, tren, and var for as long as you want. Come off a few weeks out from your drug test and pass, abc's. it ain't no rocket science,
If you see a guy the size of the guys at the Olympia, obviously their juicing, unbelievable what people don't want to believe, what is wrong with you guys, woooooooooooosh.
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How are you comparing him in the bench video at 290 to now. he has at least 30 more pounds of muscle in that bench video then he does now, he is a monster in that video, bigger then Cormier and Levrone, but ya he is natural ::)
Did you not see my statement, suggesting that he looks to be about 215 to 220, now? My point was that it's hardly a stretch to say that someone without drugs to get to 215 or 220 ripped would have to be 290 off-season, putting on quite a bit of bodyfat with no anabolics to ensure most of his weight is lean mass.
Fletcher's bodyfat is way higher than Cormier or Levrone, even in their off-season modes.
Wake up people, this is how simple it is, do prop, tren, and var for as long as you want. Come off a few weeks out from your drug test and pass, abc's. it ain't no rocket science,
Not if the tests are random, in addition to scheduled tests. Otherwise, people wouldn't be getting popped (i.e. the INBA's wall of shame). Apparently they took your advice but didn't fare so well.
If you see a guy the size of the guys at the Olympia, obviously their juicing, unbelievable what people don't want to believe, what is wrong with you guys, woooooooooooosh.
There are powerlifters who are bigger than bodybuilders, even if they aren't nearly as defined.
Fletcher isn't the size of guys at the Olympia. You've seen how he looks ripped (or close to it) and it's not even close. Again, but for his arms, he looks like a light heavyweight.
With that said, Fletcher has the resume and the records to support his drug-free claims. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, until I see sufficient evidence to the contrary. If you want to believe he's taking everything but the kitchen sink but magically getting off it, just in time to pass drug tests for 30 years, knock yourself out.
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Did you not see my statement, suggesting that he looks to be about 215 to 220, now? My point was that it's hardly a stretch to say that someone without drugs to get to 215 or 220 ripped would have to be 290 off-season, putting on quite a bit of bodyfat with no anabolics to ensure most of his weight is lean mass.
Fletcher's bodyfat is way higher than Cormier or Levrone, even in their off-season modes.
Not if the tests are random, in addition to scheduled tests. Otherwise, people wouldn't be getting popped (i.e. the INBA's wall of shame). Apparently they took your advice but didn't fare so well.
There are powerlifters who are bigger than bodybuilders, even if they aren't nearly as defined.
Fletcher isn't the size of guys at the Olympia. You've seen how he looks ripped (or close to it) and it's not even close. Again, but for his arms, he looks like a light heavyweight.
With that said, Fletcher has the resume and the records to support his drug-free claims. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, until I see sufficient evidence to the contrary. If you want to believe he's taking everything but the kitchen sink but magically getting off it, just in time to pass drug tests for 30 years, knock yourself out.
Do you believe that Darrem Charles was drug free when he was competing from the late 80s on until the early 2000s?
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How are you comparing him in the bench video at 290 to now. he has at least 30 more pounds of muscle in that bench video then he does now, he is a monster in that video, bigger then Cormier and Levrone, but ya he is natural ::)
Wake up people, this is how simple it is, do prop, tren, and var for as long as you want. Come off a few weeks out from your drug test and pass, abc's. it ain't no rocket science,
If you see a guy the size of the guys at the Olympia, obviously their juicing, unbelievable what people don't want to believe, what is wrong with you guys, woooooooooooosh.
this.
i think people that havent been in hormones for a length of time miss how some peoples body weight jumps back forth so dramatically isnt cause of creatine.
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I love the way so many on here say that you must be juiced in order to press anything above 400lbs. ::)
I went to a 1-A high school with 280 students total, and we had two 500lbs pressers in my graduating class. The three of us started lifting weights at the same time at the end of our freshman year for varsity football prep. But once we got to about 200ish-lbs on a working bench set, I plateaued, and they kept on going....in fact when we started our junior year, by the time I got my "250lbs bench shirt", one already had his 450, and the other was working on his 425.
You just have to accept the fact that there are thousands of individuals who may or may not lift weights, that are naturally genetically superior than the average Joe...no matter how much carb timing, meal prepping, "visualization" of the workout one day prior you may do...with or without juice.
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How are you comparing him in the bench video at 290 to now. he has at least 30 more pounds of muscle in that bench video then he does now, he is a monster in that video, bigger then Cormier and Levrone, but ya he is natural ::)
Wake up people, this is how simple it is, do prop, tren, and var for as long as you want. Come off a few weeks out from your drug test and pass, abc's. it ain't no rocket science,
If you see a guy the size of the guys at the Olympia, obviously their juicing, unbelievable what people don't want to believe, what is wrong with you guys, woooooooooooosh.
They fall for the illusion that comes with being lean. When someone is extremely lean even if he's a twink and deadlifts 180kg for 2 reps everyone yells STEROIDS.
Yet you can have wr bench, be huge and people will believe you're natural just because you're not 8% bf and no veins are popping on your arms.
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How are you comparing him in the bench video at 290 to now. he has at least 30 more pounds of muscle in that bench video then he does now, he is a monster in that video, bigger then Cormier and Levrone, but ya he is natural ::)
Wake up people, this is how simple it is, do prop, tren, and var for as long as you want. Come off a few weeks out from your drug test and pass, abc's. it ain't no rocket science,
If you see a guy the size of the guys at the Olympia, obviously their juicing, unbelievable what people don't want to believe, what is wrong with you guys, woooooooooooosh.
This is Levrone at 265 lbs, circa 1991 (off season):
This is Fletcher at 290:
Fletcher doesn't look bigger to me, even though he's 25 lb heavier.
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This is Levrone at 265 lbs, circa 1991 (off season):
This is Fletcher at 290:
Fletcher doesn't look bigger to me, even though he's 25 lb heavier.
OK they are the same size then, you are splitting hairs here. It doesn't matter how you slice it the guy is a fucken monster, he is huge bro, Olympia size huge and your delusion is also Olympia size huge too if you believe he is natural for even a second.
LMAO 290 in that condition at 5'10 would utterly dwarf guys like Sergio, Arnold, Franco, Arnold, Nubret, Gaspari, Samir, Dickerson, Labrada, Zane, and they were all juiced to the gills.
STOP bro you are making a fool out of yourself. Sorry for being rude but I see no other way to put it.
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I love the way so many on here say that you must be juiced in order to press anything above 400lbs. ::)
I went to a 1-A high school with 280 students total, and we had two 500lbs pressers in my graduating class. The three of us started lifting weights at the same time at the end of our freshman year for varsity football prep. But once we got to about 200ish-lbs on a working bench set, I plateaued, and they kept on going....in fact when we started our junior year, by the time I got my "250lbs bench shirt", one already had his 450, and the other was working on his 425.
You just have to accept the fact that there are thousands of individuals who may or may not lift weights, that are naturally genetically superior than the average Joe...no matter how much carb timing, meal prepping, "visualization" of the workout one day prior you may do...with or without juice.
Nice. Brings back memories. We had Iron Man shirts three different colors representing your total lifts bench, squat and power clean (red, blue and some other crap)
I agree also...had some strong dudes in HS man then there were guys who were just at another level of power.
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OK they are the same size then, you are splitting hairs here. It doesn't matter how you slice it the guy is a fucken monster, he is huge bro, Olympia size huge and your delusion is also Olympia size huge too if you believe he is natural for even a second.
LMAO 290 in that condition at 5'10 would utterly dwarf guys like Sergio, Arnold, Franco, Arnold, Nubret, Gaspari, Samir, Dickerson, Labrada, Zane, and they were all juiced to the gills.
STOP bro you are making a fool out of yourself. Sorry for being rude but I see no other way to put it.
In that condition? You act as if Fletcher has ripped abs. Even in the video, he talks about his belly, hoping the cameraman doesn't focus on it.
Plus we've seen Fletcher, ripped (or close to it). Again, but for his arms, he resembles more of a light-heavyweight. He's not Olympia-size huge. Huge, in and of himself, ABSOLUTELY. But, he looks smaller at 290 than Levrone does at 265.
With regards to guys like Zane, Nubret, Gaspari, and Labrada, this may come as a shock to you; but there are those who can do more naturally than other can "juiced to the gills".
As I've said before, if you want to be one of those Getbiggers who think being natural means you're destined to be a twig, knock yourself out. Fletcher's records and rep look reasonable to me and, as stated earlier, I will give him the benefit of the doubt until I see evidence to the contrary.
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What light-heavy, are you out of it or something, maybe now but from 290, he can not drop more 50 lb for contest shape there, no way, trust me I compete and I get people shredded for shows, lots of people and he ain't losing more then 50 lb
, which would still put him at 240. Use your head bro, there was no one at 240 contest contest shape at his height anywhere in the world before the juice existed, there was no one even 40lb of muscle smaller before the juice era., No where. Not in 70's, not in the 60' no where, why?..... lol cause protein shake and creatine didn't exist? NO, obviously cause the natural state of a human could not enter these boundaries or else we would have seen them in the 40's, 50's 60's and 70's and guess what we didn't, hell we barely saw anyone at his height over 200 and this was still juice era. Wake up brother, wake up.
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I saw CT in person last year in Venice at a bench press comp. He's much older now and had a massive heart attack and nearly died. However he is still impressive and still has HUGE arms that are pretty ripped. No way do I believe the guy is/was natural. However he without a doubt has some impressive genetics.
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I saw CT in person last year in Venice at a bench press comp. He's much older now and had a massive heart attack and nearly died. However he is still impressive and still has HUGE arms that are pretty ripped. No way do I believe the guy is/was natural. However he without a doubt has some impressive genetics.
Now think, you wouldn't even believe him now let alone 10-15 years ago when he was easily 30lb of muscle bigger.
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his arms are full of oil arent they
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What light-heavy, are you out of it or something, maybe now but from 290, he can not drop more 50 lb for contest shape there, no way, trust me I compete and I get people shredded for shows, lots of people and he ain't losing more then 50 lb
Did you not read what I said? He LOOKS like a light-heavyweight, except for his arms. He said he competes around 230. But, based on his shape and proportions, he doesn't quite lok the part.
, which would still put him at 240. Use your head bro, there was no one at 240 contest contest shape at his height anywhere in the world before the juice existed, there was no one even 40lb of muscle smaller before the juice era., No where. Not in 70's, not in the 60' no where, why?..... lol cause protein shake and creatine didn't exist? NO, obviously cause the natural state of a human could not enter these boundaries or else we would have seen them in the 40's, 50's 60's and 70's and guess what we didn't, hell we barely saw anyone at his height over 200 and this was still juice era. Wake up brother, wake up.
I never claimed he was in "contest contest shape". Fletcher himself admits he'll never be the most shredded onstage, carrying the size he wants to carry.
With that said, we have guys like Bill Pearl, who competed at 241 in the early 70s, albeit not ripped by today's standards (were he to do that, he'd be around 215 to 220).
Protein shakes didn't exist in the 60s and 70s? Does the name Rheo Blair ring a bell? As for creatine, guys got that, back in the day, via large amounts of red meat.
Again, if you want to believe people are destined to be twigs without steroids, knock yourself out. I'll take Fletcher's word for it, for the time being. Your screaming about how nobody can do squat without steroids is meaningless to me.
I've benched 405 without steroids; I've obtained 18" arms without steroids; and, my genetics aren't quite where his are. Do I think I've reached my limit? Absolutely NOT!!
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We are not talking about lifting, don't put words in my mouth, go back in this thread to some of my post, I said 400 is possible naturally, I even said 500 was possible naturally, go back and check.
Now before the juice era was anyone benching 600? NO,before the juice era was anyone the same size as Fletcher in the same condition, at the same height, hell NO. Bill Pearl was no where near this guy's size. You live in fantasy land if you think it's possible now but yet it never happened, not even once before the juice era.
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Don't post on PNS threads, PNS is fake... >:(
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DLB in 5 years
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We are not talking about lifting, don't put words in my mouth, go back in this thread to some of my post, I said 400 is possible naturally, I even said 500 was possible naturally, go back and check.
Now before the juice era was anyone benching 600? NO,before the juice era was anyone the same size as Fletcher in the same condition, at the same height, hell NO. Bill Pearl was no where near this guy's size. You live in fantasy land if you think it's possible now but yet it never happened, not even once before the juice era.
Speaking of Pearl, let's not forget the fact that he was a professional strongman, as well as a bodybuilder.
Maybe he didn't bench; but Pearl was, for his time, a beast in the strength department. And as far as being Fletcher's size goes, Pearl was actually bigger in competition weight (although not nearly as ripped) than Fletcher is.
Plus, Pearl never bulked up to 290, anyway; so, of course he wasn't Fletcher's off-season/powerlifter size.
BTW, I wasn't talking strictly about lifting. I know 500 lbs is possible drug-free. In fact, it's been done by guys nowhere near the size of Fletcher in his powerlifting prime such as Chris Bell (the guy who made the film, "Bigger, Stronger, Faster").
So a guy his size can get 500 drug-free, but a guy much larger and stronger can't possibly get 600 drug-free?
As I said, I'll give Fletcher the benefit of the doubt. You can believe nobody can hit 600 without roids, if you wish.
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The world record for bench press was 500lb in the 50`s and it took 15 years for someone to break this record and then in the late 60`s someone hit 615. Use your head , what do think happened in those 15 years? It jumped up 115 lb instantly as soon as the juice hit the scene, before the juice 500 was the absolute limit and only done by one man.
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Perhaps CT uses the word "Naturally" the same way the "Nature Boy" Ric Flair used the word nature. It's just a nice friendly sounding word.
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The world record for bench press was 500lb in the 50`s and it took 15 years for someone to break this record and then in the late 60`s someone hit 615. Use your head , what do think happened in those 15 years? It jumped up 115 lb instantly as soon as the juice hit the scene, before the juice 500 was the absolute limit and only done by one man.
Try taking your own advice and use your head. Guys who were hitting 500 lbs were big, burly dudes, pushing 300 lbs. Now, we have guys who can do that naturally, that are in the low 200s (i.e. Chris Bell). A handful are under 200.
Drugs are hardly the lone or primary reason strength records have been equaled or exceeded by more people. One, there are more people involved in lifting than there were, back in the day.
Two, nutrition and training techniques have improved as well. In days of yore, only one guy could run a mile under 4 minutes. Now, plenty of people have done such. Does that mean they're all sticking syringes in their behinds? NOPE!!
So, your take that people barely over 200 can bench 500+ naturally but someone pushing three bills can't do the same with 600 makes no sense.
Back to Fletcher, he has done about as much as one could do, to make his point. Nearly all his lifts were in drug-tested federations, some of which test randomly (not just the day of the show or meet). And, he competes in arguably the strictest natural bodybuilding federation there is.
The law of averages would suggest that, were he cheating or doing half the mess you claim he is, he'd been caught by now or someone would have exposed him.
Having benched over 400 myself drug-free, while being nowhere near Fletcher's size, I hardly see such a feat (pushing 600+, without steroids) as unachievable.
If you want to believe that, such is your business.