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On CNN now
Donetsk, Ukraine (CNN) - The United States said Thursday it has proof that Russia is firing into Ukraine.
Also Thursday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk and his Cabinet announced their resignation in what Ukrainian political experts said was an expected development. Yatsenyuk and his Cabinet will remain in place as an acting government until elections in October.
The Ukrainian government has been battling pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine. More than 400 people have died in the fighting, the government has said.
"We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to the separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russia to attack Ukrainian military positions," said State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?c=homepage-t
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Just trying to push Wehrmacht out.
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If this is coming directly from russia itself and not its militant proxies in ukraine, it could be a pretty big deal...
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If this is coming directly from russia itself and not its militant proxies in ukraine, it could be a pretty big deal...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/24/obama-administration-russia-firing-artillery-at-ukraine-military-targets/
Obama administration officials said Thursday that Russia is firing artillery from its own territory into Ukraine to hit Ukrainian military sites, pointing to escalating Russian involvement in the deadly conflict.
"This clearly is a military escalation," Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said, adding there is no question that Russian military -- as opposed to Russia-backed separatists -- are firing the shots.
State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf first made the accusation during a press briefing earlier Thursday. She also claimed Moscow is boosting its military shipments to pro-Russian separatists.
"We have new evidence that the Russians intend to deliver heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers to separatist forces in Ukraine and have evidence that Russia is firing artillery from within Russian to attack Ukrainian military positions," Harf told reporters.
She said the evidence derived from "human intelligence information" but declined to elaborate, saying it would compromise sources and methods of intelligence collection.
The Pentagon, though, confirmed her account, and said Russia has been firing artillery for several days now.
The allegations come amid an increasingly bitter war of words between Washington and Moscow over the crisis in Ukraine and conflicting claims over the downing of a Malaysian passenger jet over eastern Ukraine last week.
The U.S. repeatedly has accused Russia of stoking the Ukraine rebellion and has said it believes separatists shot down the Malaysian plane, killing nearly 300 people, with a Russian provided surface-to-air missile.
Harf said Wednesday the ultimate responsibility for the downing of the plane rests with Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian government.
Meanwhile, additional military aircraft carrying remains of victims from the Malaysian plane disaster arrived in the Netherlands on Thursday, while Australian and Dutch diplomats joined to promote a plan for a U.N. team to secure the crash site which has been controlled by pro-Russian rebels.
On Monday, the U.N. Security Council unanimously approved a resolution proposed by Australia demanding that rebels cooperate with an independent investigation and allow all remaining bodies to be recovered.
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It's happening! All of you able bodied men better be able to shoot straight because the shit is hitting the fan. Permabulkers are going to be in trouble when the ground war starts. I suggest getbiggers start cutting calories and doing cardio.
In war, if you can't run...it's time to die.
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the world is on the verge of very bad things
they need to get rid of putin
he is a war bringer
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there wont be any war as long as economies are still up. No oligarch wants to ruin himself.
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Strange how there very little coverage of this in the media. If Russia itself is actually directly attacking Ukraine, it would be a HUGE escalation of the situation and have possible massive implications. Takes it to a whole new level. It also shows Putin and russia, rather than defusing the situation over the plane, clearly do not give a single fuck about anything obama or the West says or threatens, which itself has big implications.
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Strange how there very little coverage of this in the media. If Russia itself is actually directly attacking Ukraine, it would be a HUGE escalation of the situation and have possible massive implications. Takes it to a whole new level. It also shows Putin and russia, rather than defusing the situation over the plane, clearly do not give a single fuck about anything obama or the West says or threatens, which itself has big implications.
I am considering opening a business in Moscow (don't ask). The Russians truly do not give a fuck, they support Putin, they think the MH17 thing is mostly Western propaganda, and they are ready for a fight. They also think Obama is a joke.
The best thing that can happen is the US gets a President they respect and everyone goes back to wanting to make money.
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Your source is CNN?... the C.omedy N.ews N.etwork
MSM news is a joke. They all read from the same script.
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Your source is CNN?... the C.omedy N.ews N.etwork
MSM news is a joke. They all read from the same script.
You're right. There is no conflict. No fighting. Russia & Ukraine are BFF's.
There is no fighting in Gaza either.
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Strange how there very little coverage of this in the media. If Russia itself is actually directly attacking Ukraine, it would be a HUGE escalation of the situation and have possible massive implications. Takes it to a whole new level. It also shows Putin and russia, rather than defusing the situation over the plane, clearly do not give a single fuck about anything obama or the West says or threatens, which itself has big implications.
no. Rich people lead the world and their economic interests dont require wars. You guys dont understand that there will probably be no world war ever again.
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I am considering opening a business in Moscow (don't ask). The Russians truly do not give a fuck, they support Putin, they think the MH17 thing is mostly Western propaganda, and they are ready for a fight. They also think Obama is a joke.
The best thing that can happen is the US gets a President they respect and everyone goes back to wanting to make money.
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Thats good to hear. Russia plays a very important role in todays world, the counterbalance they provide is much needed.
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So what?
Maybe Ukraine has WMDs that would be a threat to Russia within 45 minutes.
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"Now that's good work. The skulls, the bodies. You give it such a glow. I don't know if it's art, but I like it." -The Joker
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FUCKING OBAMA
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We should fire our shit too.
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You're right. There is no conflict. No fighting. Russia & Ukraine are BFF's.
There is no fighting in Gaza either.
Yes, but you completely miss my point... just like all the other MSM zombified sheeple.
The reasons they are giving you why/what/how these things are going on are 100% lies.
You really need to wake the fuck up.
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Yes, but you completely miss my point... just like all the other MSM zombified sheeple.
The reasons they are giving you why/what/how these things are going on are 100% lies.
You really need to wake the fuck up.
Tell us why and how Mr Shepard.
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The main stream media doesn't want to tell you how bad this situation really is because doing so would be damaging to President Obunghole and his foreign policy. Anything that makes him look bad or incompetent the media either mocks, downplays or simple refuses to report. They share the same world view as The Pres and if he is wrong about something then that must mean they are also wrong and they aren't going to let that happen.
Once the situation inevitably come to a head and can no longer be ignored, they will find a way to blame it on President Bush. Obama is just doing his best, after all, to fix the mess that Bush created so many years ago. He would have fixed it already but those nasty Republicans in the House of Representatives just won't let him do what he wants to do.
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We destabilized the legitimate government of Ukraine and now Russia is the bad guy?
We would be doing the exact same thing X10 had Russia pulled this shit in Mexico.
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We destabilized the legitimate government of Ukraine and now Russia is the bad guy?
We would be doing the exact same thing X10 had Russia pulled this shit in Mexico.
We would be firing artillery into Mexico?
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We would be firing artillery into Mexico?
If Russia helped overthrow the legitimate US friendly government of Mexico and a hostile Mexican government friendly to Russia, China, Iran etc... came to power?
Of course we would do everything to straiten out the mess ASAP.
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If Russia helped overthrow the legitimate US friendly government of Mexico and a hostile Mexican government friendly to Russia, China, Iran etc... came to power?
Of course we would do everything to straiten out the mess ASAP.
Right, and so we would just launch missiles at Mexico. OK, got it.
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You're right. There is no conflict. No fighting. Russia & Ukraine are BFF's.
There is no fighting in Gaza either.
Solid posts. CNN and Fox News are trustworthy. Professionals to the core.
Cherishing the golden rule of journalism like noone else.
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The main stream media doesn't want to tell you how bad this situation really is because doing so would be damaging to President Obunghole and his foreign policy. Anything that makes him look bad or incompetent the media either mocks, downplays or simple refuses to report. They share the same world view as The Pres and if he is wrong about something then that must mean they are also wrong and they aren't going to let that happen.
Once the situation inevitably come to a head and can no longer be ignored, they will find a way to blame it on President Bush. Obama is just doing his best, after all, to fix the mess that Bush created so many years ago. He would have fixed it already but those nasty Republicans in the House of Representatives just won't let him do what he wants to do.
This!!!!
Anyone who says this isnt the case is in complete denial.
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Right, and so we would just launch missiles at Mexico. OK, got it.
We "just launch missiles" at people all the time... ???
Do you really think Russia should just sit back and let the west fuck them in the ass? Without Ukraine they're screwed.
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those are Germans!
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We "just launch missiles" at people all the time... ???
Do you really think Russia should just sit back and let the west fuck them in the ass? Without Ukraine they're screwed.
Right, into Mexico. Got it.
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Why would anyone believe anything coming out of the mouth of the US government any more? What comes out of their mouths is what comes out of their asses.
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We "just launch missiles" at people all the time... ???
Do you really think Russia should just sit back and let the west fuck them in the ass? Without Ukraine they're screwed.
Most people dont understand how critically important that region is to them...
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Why would anyone believe anything coming out of the mouth of the US government any more? What comes out of their mouths is what comes out of their asses.
Exactly, so lets cut the bullshit and go to war. Let's do this now. Seriously, do your worst. Bring your whole crew. May the best man win.
And after we kick, er...after the winner is declared there shall be no more belly aching about the big bad evil Americans. No more bitching, no more foreign aid. Just every country standing up on their own and minding their own business.
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Donetsk, Ukraine (CNN) - The United States said Thursday it has proof that Russia is firing into Ukraine.
Sounds like a war between Russia & Ukraine to me.
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Right, into Mexico. Got it.
^^That's a better way to fuck with someone than if you just came out with it and disagreed with me. ;D
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Sounds like a war between Russia & Ukraine to me.
;D ;D ;D
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Well, fuck. Churchill had to tongue ally Roosevelt's chair-balls to get some help against damn Nazis. These days they're like "Tenuous intelligence that someone farted? Send the army! Consequences are tomorrow's problem."
They won't, of course. But Washington needs to learn to shut the fuck up on issues that aren't American concerns. (In b4 regional stability & chessboard analogies. Please.) Ukrainian guys shoot down a Malasian plane, possibly with Russian supplied gear, on the other side of the globe. Someone explain how exactly this involves America to the degree that Washington needs to be talking shit.
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No doubt he is on the front lines ;D
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Strange how there very little coverage of this in the media. If Russia itself is actually directly attacking Ukraine, it would be a HUGE escalation of the situation and have possible massive implications. Takes it to a whole new level. It also shows Putin and russia, rather than defusing the situation over the plane, clearly do not give a single fuck about anything obama or the West says or threatens, which itself has big implications.
I know this may sound harsh, but why the fuck should the U.S. care about what happens between Russia/Ukraine?
We need to stop being the world police. It's called the President of the United States not of the world.
Now, I do believe he needs to answer for the downed Malaysian flight, because it had casualties from multiple countries.
Let these third world shitholes invade eachother all they want.
They know what awaits if they want to pick a fight with dad :D
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I know this may sound harsh, but why the fuck should the U.S. care about what happens between Russia/Ukraine?
We need to stop being the world police. It's called the President of the United States not of the world.
Now, I do believe he needs to answer for the downed Malaysian flight, because it had casualties from multiple countries.
Let these third world shitholes invade eachother all they want.
They know what awaits if they want to pick a fight with dad :D
I completely agree with you. I dont believe theres any reason for america to insert ourselves in this situation. Just thought it was odd that there appears to be a major escalation of the situation yet no coverage of it
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I completely agree with you. I dont believe theres any reason for america to insert ourselves in this situation. Just thought it was odd that there appears to be a major escalation of the situation yet no coverage of it
Lol, Putin is a troll.
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no. Rich people lead the world and their economic interests dont require wars. You guys dont understand that there will probably be no world war ever again.
Your a fucking idiot, that theorem is exactly what putin is wiping his ass with.
Wars have been uneconomically advantageous because America had control of the economy.
Wars were a fact of economics for most of our history.
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Well, fuck. Churchill had to tongue ally Roosevelt's chair-balls to get some help against damn Nazis. These days they're like "Tenuous intelligence that someone farted? Send the army! Consequences are tomorrow's problem."
They won't, of course. But Washington needs to learn to shut the fuck up on issues that aren't American concerns. (In b4 regional stability & chessboard analogies. Please.) Ukrainian guys shoot down a Malasian plane, possibly with Russian supplied gear, on the other side of the globe. Someone explain how exactly this involves America to the degree that Washington needs to be talking shit.
New World Order operating in the open now. :-X
Offering an insight into the attitude of the western elite towards Russia, comments made by the likes of former US ambassador to Iraq Christopher R. Hill suggest that Moscow is increasingly being viewed as a rogue state. Back in April, Hill said that Russia’s response to the Ukraine crisis meant that Moscow had betrayed the “new world order” it has been a part of for the last 25 years.
http://usawatchdog.com/germany-secretly-planning-on-joining-brics-jim-willie/
http://www.infowars.com/analyst-germany-secretly-planning-to-join-brics/
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I know this may sound harsh, but why the fuck should the U.S. care about what happens between Russia/Ukraine?
The Eurasian Chessboard: Brzezinski Mapped Out “The Battle for Ukraine” in 1997
By Chris Ernesto
Global Research, March 16, 2014
It’s all about maintaining the US position as the world’s sole superpower
Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?
One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”
“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”
The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”
Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”
“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.
Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”
Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991, and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.
It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.
By prominently highlighting the mistreatment of activist group Pussy Riot, incessantly condemning Russia’s regressive position on gay rights, and excessively focusing on substandard accommodations at the Sochi Olympic Games, the Obama administration has cleverly distracted the public from delving into US support of the ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi factions of the Ukrainian opposition, and has made it palatable for Americans to accept the US narrative on Ukraine.
Interestingly enough, it was Brzezinski who first compared Putin to Hitler in a March 3 Washington Post Editorial. Hillary Clinton followed-up the next day with her comments comparing the two, followed by John McCain and Marco Rubio who on March 5 agreed with Clinton’s comments comparing Putin and Hitler. Apparently Brzezinski still continues to influence US political speak.
In his book, Brzezinski contends that “America stands supreme in the four decisive domains of global power: militarily… economically… technologically… and culturally.”
While this may have been accurate in 1997, it can be argued that today, other than militarily, the US no longer reigns supreme in these domains.
So late last year when Ukraine’s now-ousted president Viktor Yanukovych surprisingly canceled plans for Ukrainian integration into the European Union in favor of stronger ties with Russia, the US may have viewed Ukraine as slipping even further out of its reach.
At that point, with the pieces already in place, the US moved to support the ousting of Yanukovych, as evidenced by the leaked phone conversation between US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. When peaceful protests were not effective in unseating Yanukovych, the violence of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party and Right Sector was embraced, if not supported by the west.
In today’s Ukraine, the US runs the risk of being affiliated with anti-Semitic neo-Nazis, a prospect it probably feels can be controlled via a friendly western media. But even if the risk is high, the US likely views it as necessary given the geopolitical importance of Ukraine, as Brzezinski mapped out in 1997.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/us-nato-war-agenda
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Very interesting article. Makes a lot of sense. Id replace south korea with egypt tho strstegically speaking (suez) but i have no dpubt these are the kind of long term geo-political strategies that our 'powers that be' work towards in the background unbeknownst to most americans.
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when all else fails to jump start the economy...have a war!
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Your a fucking idiot, that theorem is exactly what putin is wiping his ass with.
Wars have been uneconomically advantageous because America had control of the economy.
Wars were a fact of economics for most of our history.
No current country can invade another country and occupy it. There cant be wars anymore.
The world has changed, people dont want to fight wars for rich capitalists, life is too good for most people.
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No doubt he is on the front lines ;D
Been wondering this myself. Seriously.
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^^That's a better way to fuck with someone than if you just came out with it and disagreed with me. ;D
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