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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2011, 07:32:20 PM »
The important thing in the Demjanjuk case is that he was actually convicted, not the severity of the sentence. He didn't kill 28000 persons of course, maybe not even one, but he was there when he could have deserted from duty.
He was not a nazi, but he was a war criminal.

Point taken, but nevertheless i think he should serve his sentence and not live in a nursing home getting his ass wiped by some eastern european nurse.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2011, 07:42:09 PM »
He will be assassinated the same way Rubenstein silenced Oswald.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »


This, is a lot cheaper.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2011, 08:32:25 PM »
Great socialist country.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2011, 10:54:20 PM »
 socialism.. aint it grand.. ::)

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 12:02:45 AM »
He can get 21 years + detainment, which means he could spend his entire life in jail.


Great socialist country.

Yeah,  we should privatize our prisons instead and let the elite run them like slave labor camps.  ::)

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 12:37:34 PM »
Watching news here in Swe, max punishment for this guy will be 21yrs.
ya per person....he will be away for life....

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2011, 06:34:51 AM »
It is quite simple: If you are something like mass murderer and serve time in Finland for example, your sentence would be quite epic 15 years in prison. If you behave, meaning you don't do another homicide in prison, after 7,5 years you star to get vacations from the prison. First you get weekends of, then longer periods of time few times a year, and you can go where ever you want, but you have to come back to serve your time. Surprisingly some of the criminals doesn't return in the prison, they return in their old hobby and murder more people. Then they serve few years more, and get new vacation. We have cases when child molester has rape children's while they are on vacation from the prison, there has been murders and all kind of crime, but system stays as it is. In this summer there was 4 murderes on loose because of this ridiculous system.

Why does the rehabilitation myth still have traction? There's a huge untapped market for big pharma: rehabilitation drugs. Why did clockwork orange never happen?

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2011, 06:37:47 AM »
wow thats

4.4 years for each person killed.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2011, 06:38:47 AM »
wow thats

4.4 years for each person killed.


 ::)

Try again.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2011, 06:39:37 AM »
wow thats

4.4 years for each person killed.
He can get 21 years + detainment, which means he could spend his entire life in jail.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2011, 06:40:32 AM »
In Holland we would definitively give that guy some therapists. He deserves a 2nd chance.. :-\

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2011, 06:41:40 AM »
In Holland we would definitively give that guy some therapists. He deserves a 2nd chance.. :-\

LOL. gotta love the kaaskopps.  ;D ;D


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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2011, 06:47:56 AM »
Great socialist country.

Lame attempt of an attack? Hahaa you stupid American fuckers think you can just say socialist and you have won.  ;D

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2011, 07:13:28 AM »
Anyway that Anders guy must be on some natural high right now after killing all those people and making world news, the stupid fuck..

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2011, 07:18:08 AM »
Anyway that Anders guy must be on some natural high right now after killing all those people and making world news, the stupid fuck..

What do you think he did when they told him the total body count in the interrogation ?

a) He was whistling like when you are surprised
b) Just raised one eyebrow
c) Raised both eyebrows
d) Smiled
e) High fived the Officer
f)  Did a "fuck yes" fist
g) Did a faggoty ironic "oh noos" holding both hands in front of his face


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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2011, 07:19:01 AM »
Lame attempt of an attack? Hahaa you stupid American fuckers think you can just say socialist and you have won.  ;D

Pretty much, but in this case it looks like they had it all figured out ::)


http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-arrive-90-minutes-firing-began-205033309.html



OSLO, Norway (AP) — Police arrived at an island massacre about an hour and a half after a gunman first opened fire, slowed because they didn't have quick access to a helicopter and then couldn't find a boat to make their way to the scene just several hundred yards (meters) offshore. The assailant surrendered when police finally reached him, but 85 people died before that.

Survivors of the shooting spree have described hiding and fleeing into the water to escape the gunman, but a police briefing Saturday detailed for the first time how long the terror lasted — and how long victims waited for help.

The shooting came on the heels of what police told The Associated Press was an "Oklahoma city-type" bombing in Oslo's downtown: It targeted a government building, was allegedly perpetrated by a homegrown assailant and used the same mix of fertilizer and fuel that blew up a federal building in the U.S. in 1995.

In all, at least 92 people were killed in the twin attacks that police are blaming on the same suspect, 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik.

"He has confessed to the factual circumstances," Breivik's defense lawyer, Geir Lippestad, told public broadcaster NRK. Lippestad said his client had also made some comments about his motives.

"He's said some things about that but I don't want to talk about it now," the lawyer told NRK.

Norwegian news agency NTB said the suspect wrote a 1,500-page manifesto before the attack in which he attacked multiculturalism and Muslim immigration. The manifesto also described how to acquire explosives and contained pictures of Breivik, NTB said. Oslo police declined to comment on the report.

A SWAT team was dispatched to the island more than 50 minutes after people vacationing at a campground said they heard shooting across the lake, according to Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim. The drive to the lake took about 20 minutes, and once there, the team took another 20 minutes to find a boat.

Footage filmed from a helicopter that showed the gunman firing into the water added to the impression that police were slow to the scene. They chose to drive, Sponheim said, because their helicopter wasn't on standby.

"There were problems with transport to Utoya," where the youth-wing of Norway's left-leaning Labor Party was holding a retreat, Sponheim said. "It was difficult to get a hold of boats."

At least 85 people were killed on the island, but police said four or five people were still missing.

Divers have been searching the surrounding waters, and Sponheim said the missing may have drowned. Police earlier said there was still an unexploded device on the island, but it later turned out to be fake.

The attack followed the explosion of a bomb packed into a panel truck outside the building that houses the prime minister's office in Oslo, according to a police official

"It was some kind of Oklahoma City-type bomb," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because police hadn't released the information.

Seven people were killed, and police said there are still body parts in the building. The Oslo University hospital said it has so far received 11 wounded from the bombing and 19 people from the camp shooting.

Police have charged Breivik under Norway's terror law. He will be arraigned on Monday when a court decides whether police can continue to hold him as the investigation continues.

Authorities have not given a motive for the attacks, but both were in areas connected to the Labor Party, which leads a coalition government.

Even police confessed to not knowing much about the suspect, but details trickled out about him all day: He had ties to a right-leaning political party, he posted on Christian fundamentalist websites, and he rented a farm where police found 9,000-11,000 pounds (4,000-5,000 kilograms) of fertilizer.

Police said the suspect is talking to them and has admitted to firing weapons on the island. It was not clear if he had confessed to anything else he is accused of.

"He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he's a very demanding suspect," Sponheim said.

Earlier in the day, a farm supply store said they had alerted police that he bought six metric tons of fertilizer, which can be used in homemade bombs. That's at least one metric ton more than was found at the farm, according to police.

Police and soldiers were searching for evidence and potential bombs at the farm south of Oslo on Saturday. Havard Nordhagen Olsen, a neighbor, told The Associated Press that Breivik moved in about one moth ago, just next to his house and said he seemed like "a regular guy."

Olsen said he recognized his neighbor in the newspapers this morning and said he was in shock.

Meanwhile, Mazyar Keshvari, a spokesman for Norway's Progress Party — which is conservative but within the political mainstream — said that the suspect was a paying member of the party's youth wing from 1999 to 2004.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg called the tragedy peacetime Norway's deadliest day.

"This is beyond comprehension. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare for those who have been killed, for their mothers and fathers, family and friends," Stoltenberg told reporters Saturday.

Gun violence is rare in Norway, where the average policeman patrolling in the streets doesn't carry a firearm. Reports that the assailant was motivated by political ideology were shocking to many Norwegians, who pride themselves on the openness of their society. Indeed, Norway is almost synonymous with the kind of free expression being exercised by the youth at the political retreat.

King Harald V, Norway's figurehead monarch, vowed Saturday that those values would remain unchanged.

"I remain convinced that the belief in freedom is stronger than fear. I remain convinced in the belief of an open Norwegian democracy and society. I remain convinced in the belief in our ability to live freely and safely in our own country," said the king.

The monarch, his wife and the prime minister led the nation in mourning, visiting grieving relatives of the scores of youth gunned down. Buildings around the capital lowered their flags to half-staff. People streamed to Oslo Cathedral to light candles and lay flowers; outside, mourners began building a makeshift altar from dug-up cobblestones. The Army patrolled the streets of the capital, a highly unusual sight for this normally placid country.

The city center was a sea of roadblocks Saturday, with groups of people peering over the barricades wherever they sprang up, as the shell-shocked Nordic nation was gripped by reports that the gunman may not have acted alone. Police have not confirmed a second assailant but said they are investigating witness reports.

The queen and the prime minister hugged when they arrived at the hotel where families are waiting to identify the bodies. Both king and queen shook hands with mourners, while the prime minister, his voice trembling, told reporters of the harrowing stories survivors had recounted to him.

On the island of Utoya, panicked teens attending a Labour Party youth wing summer camp plunged into the water or played dead to avoid the assailant in the assault. A picture sent out on Twitter showed a blurry figure in dark clothing pointing a gun into the water, with bodies all around him.

The carnage hours earlier in Oslo, when a bomb rocked the city where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings.

The dust-clogged scene after the blast reminded one visitor from New York of Sept. 11.

A 15-year-old camper named Elise who was on Utoya said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.

Elise, whose father didn't want her to disclose her last name, said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. "I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock," she said.

She said it was impossible to say how many minutes passed while she was waiting for him to stop.

At a hotel in the village of Sundvollen, where survivors of the shooting were taken, 21-year-old Dana Berzingi wore pants stained with blood. He said the fake police officer ordered people to come closer, then pulled weapons and ammunition from a bag and started shooting.

Several victims "had pretended they were dead to survive," Berzingi said. But after shooting the victims with one gun, the gunman shot them again in the head with a shotgun, he said.

Earlier, the police official who spoke on condition of anonymity said the attack "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Domestic terrorists carried out the 1995 attack, while foreign terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The United States, European Union, NATO and the U.K., all quickly condemned the bombing, which Britain's Foreign Secretary William Hague called "horrific" and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen deemed a "heinous act."

"It's a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring," President Barack Obama said.

Obama extended his condolences to Norway's people and offered U.S. assistance with the investigation. He said he remembered how warmly Norwegians treated him in Oslo when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

Britain's Queen Elizabeth II wrote to Norway's King Harald to offer her condolences and express her shock and sadness at the shooting attacks in his country.

A U.S. counterterrorism official said the United States knew of no links to terrorist groups and early indications were the attack was domestic. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was being handled by Norway.

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Nordstrom reported from Stockholm. Associated Press reporters Bjoern H. Amland in Spundvollen, Norway, Nils Myklebost Oslo, Karl Ritter in Stockholm, Rita Foley in Washington, Paisley Dodds in London, and Paul Schemm in Tripoli, Libya, contributed to this report.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2011, 07:30:09 AM »
What do you think he did when they told him the total body count in the interrogation ?

a) He was whistling like when you are surprised
b) Just raised one eyebrow
c) Raised both eyebrows
d) Smiled
e) High fived the Officer
f)  Did a "fuck yes" fist
g) Did a faggoty ironic "oh noos" holding both hands in front of his face


e) would be funny...

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2011, 07:33:50 AM »
e) would be funny...

Especially because the office of course didn't high five him back :D - that's so embarrassing when you try to high five somebody and you either miss or you get a strange look from somebody like - what are you fucking 12?

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2011, 07:34:13 AM »
In germany, you can get 21 days per year out of jail when you're in jail. To "re-socialize" better.  ::) ::) ::)

There was a prominent case of a group of guys that robbed money transports in Germany over years, with rocket launchers and automatic weapons, they couldn't catch them, only after one of the guys got OUT of jail eventually....
They had been in jail all the time, got out together on "vacation", robbed a transport and got back into jail the next morning after hiding the money for years. Nobody caught them because who would look for a criminal who already is IN jail.  ::) ::) ::)

Germany is fucked up.

How much time in prison would the guy from "The Human Centipede" have received?

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2011, 08:08:09 AM »
Pretty much, but in this case it looks like they had it all figured out ::)

So that is a direct consequence of being a socialist country? Americans have so so so sooooo poor track record (for example the presidential assassinations) I would keep my mouth shut Coach.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2011, 08:15:41 AM »
Police have adjusted the number of deaths at Utøya to 68! Good news I guess.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2011, 08:20:17 AM »
Police have adjusted the number of deaths at Utøya to 68! Good news I guess.


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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2011, 09:28:41 AM »
So that is a direct consequence of being a socialist country? Americans have so so so sooooo poor track record (for example the presidential assassinations) I would keep my mouth shut Coach.

By my last count four in the last 235 years.

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Re: Maximum punishment 21 yrs.
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2011, 09:34:11 AM »
can you imagine that guy once is able to walk around a free man? haha my god