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Nothing changes in the NPC or IFBB Pro League in the USA.
For people competing outside of the USA, we are developing open events starting in November 2017 in San Marino, the San Marina Pro show and the Open Amateur Olympia, which will be open to all athletes worldwide, including the USA or any country. There will be pro qualifiers all over, and we will have a listing of them soon.
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I e-mailed Jim Manion once just out of courtesy to ensure the footage I took at the expos was alright to publish on YouTube, even though I received all of the proper permissions far in advance. I don't even know why I e-mailed him - as I said, just out of courtesy. Just to be doubly, or even triply sure that I had all necessary permissions. He replied to me with something to the effect "I sincerely doubt they are going to allow someone with a camera to be filming at the expo. "
Yeah, I'm sure vendors just hate free advertising. ::) But I'm sure AMI/Weider doesn't like all the YouTube competition, and THAT is what it was really about, and for him to use his clout as the president of the IFBB Pro League to send me such as message was highly inappropriate.
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How can he be president of the NPC and the IFBB pro league? Isn't that a conflict of interest?
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How can he be president of the NPC and the IFBB pro league? Isn't that a conflict of interest?
Not at all. The reason the pro league kicked the amateur league to the curb is because the amateur league did everything in its power to keep amateurs as amateurs. Manion being the president of both the amateur and pro leagues ensures there is no incentive to keep amateurs as amateurs. It doesn't matter to him who turns pro and who doesn't because he's in charge of both. So the winners will turn pro and Manion has no reason to keep them as amateurs for financial reasons.
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I e-mailed Jim Manion once just out of courtesy to ensure the footage I took at the expos was alright to publish on YouTube, even though I received all of the proper permissions far in advance. I don't even know why I e-mailed him - as I said, just out of courtesy. Just to be doubly, or even triply sure that I had all necessary permissions. He replied to me with something to the effect "I sincerely doubt they are going to allow someone with a camera to be filming at the expo. "
Yeah, I'm sure vendors just hate free advertising. ::) But I'm sure AMI/Weider doesn't like all the YouTube competition, and THAT is what it was really about, and for him to use his clout as the president of the IFBB Pro League to send me such as message was highly inappropriate.
No one cares.
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No one cares.
beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
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beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
Brutal.
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ps - can you ask your wife if she can lend me £5 til the weekend?
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beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
I put this right above all of Matt's email's to Manion. ;D
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Not at all. The reason the pro league kicked the amateur league to the curb is because the amateur league did everything in its power to keep amateurs as amateurs. Manion being the president of both the amateur and pro leagues ensures there is no incentive to keep amateurs as amateurs. It doesn't matter to him who turns pro and who doesn't because he's in charge of both. So the winners will turn pro and Manion has no reason to keep them as amateurs for financial reasons.
Well, then it can be said that Manion is also the reason for the dilution of the Pro ranks due to giving out so many pro cards, just to chase money. When you have two different presidents, one for the NPC Amatuer and IFBB Pro, both can ensure quality of the ranks. With one President for both, there is a corrupt system in place that seriously needs to change or be looked at.
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Well, then it can be said that Manion is also the reason for the dilution of the Pro ranks due to giving out so many pro cards, just to chase money. When you have two different presidents, one for the NPC Amatuer and IFBB Pro, both can ensure quality of the ranks. With one President for both, there is a corrupt system in place that seriously needs to change or be looked at.
What's wrong with giving out pro cards to people who place well?
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Well, then it can be said that Manion is also the reason for the dilution of the Pro ranks due to giving out so many pro cards, just to chase money. When you have two different presidents, one for the NPC Amatuer and IFBB Pro, both can ensure quality of the ranks. With one President for both, there is a corrupt system in place that seriously needs to change or be looked at.
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Manion to keep people as amateurs? Think about it, every amateur not only has to pay the NPC card fee, but an entry fee, and they're not allowed to get prize money. That sounds like a way better deal than giving out a pro card and then having to pay the athlete to compete and not even charge entry fees (minus the $200 pro card annual fee or whatever).
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What's wrong with giving out pro cards to people who place well?
There is a dilution of the Pro ranks. The quality is far and few between. Take a look at who are winning the Pro cards. Many of these people wouldn't be able to win their Pro cards in the 90s (and even Kamali thanked a judge for "helping" win his Pro card)
The whole system is a money making scheme for Manion and his minions. The Pro card used to be elusive, but dangle that out to people and you get $$$.
Wouldn't it be more beneficial for Manion to keep people as amateurs? Think about it, every amateur not only has to pay the NPC card fee, but an entry fee, and they're not allowed to get prize money. That sounds like a way better deal than giving out a pro card and then having to pay the athlete to compete and not even charge entry fees (minus the $200 pro card annual fee or whatever).
A person can only get away with so much. So, you derive a system in which the person is rewarded. You can always count on more people to churn out, so what you are suggesting makes no sense. You eventually get a backlog, and also the jig is up. You have to cater to a person's ego, sense of self preservation, and that you can only take advantage of people for so long.
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There is a dilution of the Pro ranks. The quality is far and few between. Take a look at who are winning the Pro cards. Many of these people wouldn't be able to win their Pro cards in the 90s (and even Kamali thanked a judge for "helping" win his Pro card)
The whole system is a money making scheme for Manion and his minions. The Pro card used to be elusive, but dangle that out to people and you get $$$.
A person can only get away with so much. So, you derive a system in which the person is rewarded. You can always count on more people to churn out, so what you are suggesting makes no sense. You eventually get a backlog, and also the jig is up. You have to cater to a person's ego, sense of self preservation, and that you can only take advantage of people for so long.
There is no dilution. Yes more pros equal more money but the quality is due to who ever is winning at the time. The guys who are winning pro shows today don't compare to the guys in the 90's IMO and others but that's not due to too many pro cards. If anything the quality should be better since giving out more pro cards should entice more people to enter shows. Look at some of the guys from years ago like Edgar Fletcher and Matt Mendenhall. These guys just gave up. Today they would have no doubt been pros. I can only imagine what Matt would have looked like if he would have continued to go on as a pro.
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There is no dilution. Yes more pros equal more money but the quality is due to who ever is winning at the time. The guys who are winning pro shows today don't compare to the guys in the 90's IMO and others but that's not due to too many pro cards. If anything the quality should be better since giving out more pro cards should entice more people to enter shows. Look at some of the guys from years ago like Edgar Fletcher and Matt Mendenhall. These guys just gave up. Today they would have no doubt been pros. I can only imagine what Matt would have looked like if he would have continued to go on as a pro.
Are you saying this because you make your bread on the clients? More people who compete equals more potential clients. More pro cards given equals more potential clients as well. More potential clients means more advertising for you. Ask yourself this, how would you be perceived if you had Dex, Kai, or Melvin Anthony, Ronnie Coleman, Dennis Wolfe? Or if you were Phil's guru vs. Kamali's?
Yes, there is dilution. People have talked about this for years. Look at the people who have winning their Pro cards. We've even talked about how Phil would fair in the 90s. There are many reasons why there is less quality today than in the past, one is the drugs, another is the genetics, and another the addition of the super heavyweight division, and another is the training. Manion is feeding into this and sees the money that he can gain due in part to people's vanity, especially in the era of social media.
Edgar Fletcher couldn't win his Pro card because his skin was took thick, and he was getting up there in age. Why should he continue? Hell, even Rob Lopez deserved his pro card more than Kamali, but Rob was in a more competitive weight class.
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Are you saying this because you make your bread on the clients? More people who compete equals more potential clients. More pro cards given equals more potential clients as well. More potential clients means more advertising for you. Ask yourself this, how would you be perceived if you had Dex, Kai, or Melvin Anthony, Ronnie Coleman, Dennis Wolfe? Or if you were Phil's guru vs. Kamali's?
Yes, there is dilution. People have talked about this for years. Look at the people who have winning their Pro cards. We've even talked about how Phil would fair in the 90s. There are many reasons why there is less quality today than in the past, one is the drugs, another is the genetics, and another the addition of the super heavyweight division, and another is the training. Manion is feeding into this and sees the money that he can gain due in part to people's vanity, especially in the era of social media.
Edgar Fletcher couldn't win his Pro card because his skin was took thick, and he was getting up there in age. Why should he continue? Hell, even Rob Lopez deserved his pro card more than Kamali, but Rob was in a more competitive weight class.
REMEMBER THE P.D.I DEMILLIAS OFFSHOOT PRO LEAGUE YRS AGO,,ALL YOU HAD TO BE WAS A PRO FROM OTHER COUNTRY,WIN A WEIGHT CLASS IN AMATEUR IN THE PAST LIKE A USA BUT NOT OVERALL 'MEANING A CLOSE TO PRO CARD'IT FOLDED 1 SHOW 'PRIEST'WON IT...
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REMEMBER THE P.D.I DEMILLIAS OFFSHOOT PRO LEAGUE YRS AGO,,ALL YOU HAD TO BE WAS A PRO FROM OTHER COUNTRY,WIN A WEIGHT CLASS IN AMATEUR IN THE PAST LIKE A USA BUT NOT OVERALL 'MEANING A CLOSE TO PRO CARD'IT FOLDED 1 SHOW 'PRIEST'WON IT...
Yep. I remember that.
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beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
LMAO :D
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Are you saying this because you make your bread on the clients? More people who compete equals more potential clients. More pro cards given equals more potential clients as well. More potential clients means more advertising for you. Ask yourself this, how would you be perceived if you had Dex, Kai, or Melvin Anthony, Ronnie Coleman, Dennis Wolfe? Or if you were Phil's guru vs. Kamali's?
Yes, there is dilution. People have talked about this for years. Look at the people who have winning their Pro cards. We've even talked about how Phil would fair in the 90s. There are many reasons why there is less quality today than in the past, one is the drugs, another is the genetics, and another the addition of the super heavyweight division, and another is the training. Manion is feeding into this and sees the money that he can gain due in part to people's vanity, especially in the era of social media.
Edgar Fletcher couldn't win his Pro card because his skin was took thick, and he was getting up there in age. Why should he continue? Hell, even Rob Lopez deserved his pro card more than Kamali, but Rob was in a more competitive weight class.
First of all I haven't trained anyone since 2008 maybe a few people here and there. What has that got to do with the NPC making available more ways to turn pro? ???
You are not making too great of a point. You say that Phil would not have turned pro in the 90's. What does that have to do with anything?? He turned pro because he deserved to win a pro qualifier. There are plenty of guys who turned pro in the 70's and 80's that look horrible but they won their show due to I would guess being that best that competed on that particular day.
It's actually harder to get a pro card today. Yes they are offering more placings to turn pro but there is also 5 times more people coming into these shows so your odds of winning are worse.
Also Edgar Fletcher did not turn pro because his skin was too thick. ::) He didn't turn pro because he was beat by someone better. My point was if they would have given out a pro card to the top 2 like today then he would have been a pro and NO ONE would have complained.
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First of all I haven't trained anyone since 2008 maybe a few people here and there. What has that got to do with the NPC making available more ways to turn pro? ???
You are not making too great of a point. You say that Phil would not have turned pro in the 90's. What does that have to do with anything?? He turned pro because he deserved to win a pro qualifier. There are plenty of guys who turned pro in the 70's and 80's that look horrible but they won their show due to I would guess being that best that competed on that particular day.
It's actually harder to get a pro card today. Yes they are offering more placings to turn pro but there is also 5 times more people coming into these shows so your odds of winning are worse.
Also Edgar Fletcher did not turn pro because his skin was too thick. ::) He didn't turn pro because he was beat by someone better. My point was if they would have given out a pro card to the top 2 like today then he would have been a pro and NO ONE would have complained.
hang on there, you got Radu ready for Sev..........
Then again thats best left of the CV. ;D
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More clarity helps with the changes, and I know there are a lot of people and competitors all around the world that are happy with this. As for the pros, yes, 15 years ago, there was only two or three divisions. Now, I think we have 7 or 8 divisions with a lot of pro cards. So of course there are more pro cards.
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hang on there, you got Radu ready for Sev..........
Then again thats best left of the CV. ;D
Guilty as charged. ;D I'm still helping him.
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Here's a pic of Mr. Thickskinned. ::)
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Guilty as charged. ;D I'm still helping him.
is he competing again?
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is he competing again?
Yes.
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Yes.
looks like he hasn't got Sev whispering in his ear anymore.
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Here's a pic of Mr. Thickskinned. ::)
I was at the 96 USA in long Beach, when he placed 3rd, it wasn't as good as the early 90s IMO. But Titus Prince Flether, Dente, Downing. was a class field compared to todays. Training at golds the weeks prior to the show was great, the early and mid 90s you could smell the nubain in the air.
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I was at the 96 USA in long Beach, when he placed 3rd, it wasn't as good as the early 90s IMO. But Titus Prince Flether, Dente, Downing. was a class field compared to todays. Training at golds the weeks prior to the show was great, the early and mid 90s you could smell the nubain in the air.
Haha yeah I used to lift with a guy that used it before he trained. There were certain looks in the 80's 90's and so forth. I'm of the opinion it is drug use. Gh and slin have allowed guys today to become something that they would have never been able to become years ago.
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A prime example of someone who IMO became a freak due to the dynamic duo usage. This is about 2 years difference.
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beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
Tell your wife she can keep the fiver...
Or she can have the D...
But she cant have both.
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Not at all. The reason the pro league kicked the amateur league to the curb is because the amateur league did everything in its power to keep amateurs as amateurs. Manion being the president of both the amateur and pro leagues ensures there is no incentive to keep amateurs as amateurs. It doesn't matter to him who turns pro and who doesn't because he's in charge of both. So the winners will turn pro and Manion has no reason to keep them as amateurs for financial reasons.
A friend of mine said his Jiu-Jitsu instructor is keeping him as a white belt because he has a financial incentive, in that the more fights my friend wins as a white belt will help his instructor's gym. He had heard this particular instructor did this, and told me now he knows for sure it is what he does. So what you are saying about Manion makes a lot of sense to me.
No one cares.
I know you think that impressing Be There and the other five or so guys who hate me on here is important, but you will find that I actually bring knowledge and experience to the board. I have been to plenty of expos and met a lot of pros in person, etc. But by all means bash me because you see literally five other members do it. I am sure it will increase your own popularity on here. Rather than, you know, posting information and knowledge.
beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
Except Manion being rude to people is relevant to this thread. It is as John Romano said - I think he gets off on bossing around bodybuilders who he knows in any other context would literally rip him in two, haha. Romano said that after his own falling out with the IFBB. But I think he is right. Conversely, maybe he just deals with a lot of meatheads and has no patience with them. Wayne Demilia seemed that way too. If you watch the Battle for the Olympia 2002, he really rips into Levrone for being late for the Athlete's Meeting and forces him to apologize.
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Except Manion being rude to people is relevant to this thread. It is as John Romano said - I think he gets off on bossing around bodybuilders who he knows in any other context would literally rip him in two, haha. Romano said that after his own falling out with the IFBB. But I think he is right. Conversely, maybe he just deals with a lot of meatheads and has no patience with them. Wayne Demilia seemed that too. If you watch the Battle for the Olympia 2002, he really rips into Levrone for being late for the Athlete's Meeting and forces him to apologize.
rude?
He replied to me with something to the effect "I sincerely doubt they are going to allow someone with a camera to be filming at the expo. "
you think thats rude?
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Here's a pic of Mr. Thickskinned. ::)
Yep, "thick skinned". I remember him competing. And the beef he had with Titus, and Titus talking about Edgar's "thick skin", or lack of ability to get peeled. and John Sherman (as a pro) and Vic Richards shared that thick skinned look. Now, there are pics (him lighter) where he looks phenomenal---that pic of him backstage doing a vacuum. Had Edgar turned Pro he may have done damage or ended up like Garrett Downing and Patrick Lynn.
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rude?
you think thats rude?
Yes, given that I started the e-mail with
"Dear Sir,
In keeping in line with the IFBB's policies, I would like some information about [blah, blah, blah]."
I was going out of my way to try to be respectful and maintain a good rapport with the IFBB since I actively held a press pass.
He could have answered "Hey Matt, I'm actually not sure what the policies are. You would have to ask individual vendors and promoters."
His tone was passive aggressive. Why say he "sincerely" doubts it? He was trying to dissuade me from getting the footage, most likely because he knew that YouTube channels were killing the magazines - which he has a vested interest in maintaining.
Furthermore, that was after a previous e-mail to Manion where I politely asked him to clarify what the IFBB's video policy was. He replied by saying: "First of, do you mind telling me how you are aware of a policy that was exclusively sent to magazine publishers?"
Then I sent him a link on IFBB.com where the policy was available for everyone to see, LOL. Meanwhile, he had just said it was only sent to magazines, hahaha. I was like "Dear Sir, here is the policy which I was seeking clarification on."
He probably felt like an idiot for demanding to know how I found out about a policy that was published explicitly online, hahahaha.
Anyway, there is a way to answer questions and a way not to. He was purposely being passively aggressive when I was merely asking for clarification regarding a policy of the IFBB. How else am I supposed to function as a person with an active press pass unless I get clarification on these things? My e-mail was completely polite as well as appropriate given my YouTube channel had just been flagged.
He did not need to say that he "sincerely doubt"ed anything. It was rude and passive aggressive and intended to dissuade me from publishing content on YouTube - content that has all but destroyed the Weider magazines.
Why add the word "sincerely"? Not to mention, he was completely wrong!! I had every right to the footage and he knew it.
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Since Matt keeps bringing it up, here's the google cache of the email exchange he posted between him and Manion -
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 12:10 am
Subject: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
Is video footage from the Olympia and Arnold expos against IFBB policy? I had read your press release regarding contest footage but I saw no notification indicating that expo footage was not allowed. Thank you for any clarification you may have on this.
- Matt C
spam
To: mattcanning_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Expo Footage.
From: ifbbproleague@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 09:39:51 -0500
Matt,
Can you please tell me how you are aware of a press release sent to magazines concerning footage at contests?
Sincerely,
Jim Manion
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 4:47 pm
Subject: RE: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
I may have used the term "press release" incorrectly. Here is the document I was referring to:
http://www.ifbbpro.com/news/advisory-notice-082009
Are there any other releases I should be familiar with? I would like to cover IFBB expos but do not wish to violate any of the federation's rules. Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated.
- Matt
To: mattcanning_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Expo Footage.
From: ifbbproleague@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:27:07 -0500
Matt,
That would be up to the promoter if he will permit you to take footage at the expo. I sincerely doubt they are going to allow someone with a camera to be filming at the expo. You will have to check with the individual promoters of the events.
Jim Manion
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 5:33 pm
Subject: RE: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
Thank you for sending me in the right direction. I have contacted Matt Lorz
of Lorz Communications, Inc., representing Arnold Sports Festival Media Relations and he has given me the necessary media permissions requested.
I will remember your help if a getbig thread pops up regarding your salary. It's laughable how jealous these guys are. They just have no clue how much goes on behind the scenes. Even something as minor as acquiring the proper media credentials gives me an appreciation for what you do.
- Matt
Thu 2012-02-09, 10:23 AM
You
Dear Matt,
Thank you for your support.
Sincerely,
Jim Manion
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Yes, given that I started the e-mail with
"Dear Sir,
In keeping in line with the IFBB's policies, I would like some information about [blah, blah, blah]."
I was going out of my way to try to be respectful and maintain a good rapport with the IFBB since I actively held a press pass.
He could have answered "Hey Matt, I'm actually not sure what the policies are. You would have to ask individual vendors and promoters."
His tone was passive aggressive. Why say he "sincerely" doubts it? He was trying to dissuade me from getting the footage, most likely because he knew that YouTube channels were killing the magazines - which he has a vested interest in maintaining.
Furthermore, that was after a previous e-mail to Manion where I politely asked him to clarify what the IFBB's video policy was. He replied by saying: "First of, do you mind telling me how you are aware of a policy that was exclusively sent to magazine publishers?"
Then I sent him a link on IFBB.com where the policy was available for everyone to see, LOL. Meanwhile, he had just said it was only sent to magazines, hahaha. I was like "Dear Sir, here is the policy which I was seeking clarification on."
He probably felt like an idiot for demanding to know how I found out about a policy that was published explicitly online, hahahaha.
Anyway, there is a way to answer questions and a way not to. He was purposely being passively aggressive when I was merely asking for clarification regarding a policy of the IFBB. How else am I supposed to function as a person with an active press pass unless I get clarification on these things? My e-mail was completely polite as well as appropriate given my YouTube channel had just been flagged.
He did not need to say that he "sincerely doubt"ed anything. It was rude and passive aggressive and intended to dissuade me from publishing content on YouTube - content that has all but destroyed the Weider magazines.
Why add the word "sincerely"? Not to mention, he was completely wrong!! I had every right to the footage and he knew it.
and who the fuck are you to think you eve deserve a response.
get over yourself.
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Nothing changes in the NPC or IFBB Pro League in the USA.
For people competing outside of the USA, we are developing open events starting in November 2017 in San Marino, the San Marina Pro show and the Open Amateur Olympia, which will be open to all athletes worldwide, including the USA or any country. There will be pro qualifiers all over, and we will have a listing of them soon.
I see the logic of all this, but it still seems like it puts a burden on amateurs who don't live in the US. How do guys from Dubai, India or wherever remote around the world get the visas and airfare to fly to a pro qualifier in San Marino? Seems like these pro qualifiers run from Pittsburgh, PA will need to be located a little bit of everywhere to avoid cutting off the pipeline of future Ramy's, Ruhl's etc.
I see the logic of all this, but it still seems like it puts a potential burden on amateurs who don't live in the U.S. How do guys from Dubai, India or wherever remote around the world pull together the visas and airfare to get to a pro qualifier in San Marino? Seems like these international pro qualifiers run from Pittsburgh, PA would need to be a little bit of everywhere to avoid cutting off the pipeline of future Ramy's and Ruhl's, especially since the best potential pros of the future may be found outside the boundaries of the U.S. Even in Europe some competitors may find it difficult to compete in these pro qualifiers for fear of retaliation from local judges, promoters, sponsors. Not saying this won't work out; it may in the end be successful. But it is nowhere near as easy as Manion makes it sound, and may be rough on many athletes.
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I see the logic of all this, but it still seems like it puts a potential burden on amateurs who don't live in the U.S. How do guys from Dubai, India or wherever remote around the world pull together the visas and airfare to get to a pro qualifier in San Marino? Seems like these international pro qualifiers run from Pittsburgh, PA would need to be a little bit of everywhere to avoid cutting off the pipeline of future Ramy's and Ruhl's, especially since the best potential pros of the future may be found outside the boundaries of the U.S. Even in Europe some competitors may find it difficult to compete in these pro qualifiers for fear of retaliation from local judges, promoters, sponsors. Not saying this won't work out; it may in the end be successful. But it is nowhere near as easy as Manion makes it sound, and may be rough on many athletes.
anyone who desires to be a pro bodybuilder should automatically be stopped from becoming one.
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If I have been informed correctly the ukbbf in England have lost the ability to award
Pro cards to the ifbb due to the corrupt & stupidity of the top man & his game playing
Over awarding pro cards to those he doesn't like or they train in the wrong gym.
It's a huge status blow for them. Good it's Long overdue
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If I have been informed correctly the ukbbf in England have lost the ability to award
Pro cards to the ifbb due to the corrupt & stupidity of the top man & his game playing
Over awarding pro cards to those he doesn't like or they train in the wrong gym.
It's a huge status blow for them. Good it's Long overdue
I think the overall winner gets to apply for one....
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I think the overall winner gets to apply for one....
From what I'm hearing Bob chick is going to promote 2 open shows a year over here
Open to anyone from any federation & country where pro cards will be given
And similar event in other European countries.
Early days - so much could change.
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Since Matt keeps bringing it up, here's the google cache of the email exchange he posted between him and Manion -
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 12:10 am
Subject: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
Is video footage from the Olympia and Arnold expos against IFBB policy? I had read your press release regarding contest footage but I saw no notification indicating that expo footage was not allowed. Thank you for any clarification you may have on this.
- Matt C
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To: mattcanning_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Expo Footage.
From: ifbbproleague@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 09:39:51 -0500
Matt,
Can you please tell me how you are aware of a press release sent to magazines concerning footage at contests?
Sincerely,
Jim Manion
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From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 4:47 pm
Subject: RE: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
I may have used the term "press release" incorrectly. Here is the document I was referring to:
http://www.ifbbpro.com/news/advisory-notice-082009
Are there any other releases I should be familiar with? I would like to cover IFBB expos but do not wish to violate any of the federation's rules. Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated.
- Matt
To: mattcanning_@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Expo Footage.
From: ifbbproleague@aol.com
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:27:07 -0500
Matt,
That would be up to the promoter if he will permit you to take footage at the expo. I sincerely doubt they are going to allow someone with a camera to be filming at the expo. You will have to check with the individual promoters of the events.
Jim Manion
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Canning <mattcanning_@hotmail.com>
To: ifbbproleague <ifbbproleague@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 5:33 pm
Subject: RE: Expo Footage.
Dear Mr. Manion,
Thank you for sending me in the right direction. I have contacted Matt Lorz
of Lorz Communications, Inc., representing Arnold Sports Festival Media Relations and he has given me the necessary media permissions requested.
I will remember your help if a getbig thread pops up regarding your salary. It's laughable how jealous these guys are. They just have no clue how much goes on behind the scenes. Even something as minor as acquiring the proper media credentials gives me an appreciation for what you do.
- Matt
Thu 2012-02-09, 10:23 AM
You
Dear Matt,
Thank you for your support.
Sincerely,
Jim Manion
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Talk about ass kissing. ::) So I'll be sure to tattle on these Getbig guys if they say anything bad about you and then maybe you will treat me like one of the guys. ::) Also his "salary" is something that is easily looked up online. He's not trying to hide anything. I'm sure he thinks you're an ass.
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From what I'm hearing Bob chick is going to promote 2 open shows a year over here
Open to anyone from any federation & country where pro cards will be given
And similar event in other European countries. Early days - so much could change.
I think Bob Chick is working on promoting 4 shows. There is a lot of interest, as many competitors have complained how hard it is to get a pro card from their country, unless they compete there at a specific show or at the request or help from the countries federation. A lot of competitors are happy about this, and once there is more clarity, starting with the first pro qualifier in San Marina, I think a lot more details will come out.
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So does this make it easier for international bodybuilders to get pro cards? If so, get ready for a bunch of dudes from the middle east to start winning and taking over the Ifbb. The guys over there come in absolutely peeled.
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A friend of mine said his Jiu-Jitsu instructor is keeping him as a white belt because he has a financial incentive, in that the more fights my friend wins as a white belt will help his instructor's gym. He had heard this particular instructor did this, and told me now he knows for sure it is what he does. So what you are saying about Manion makes a lot of sense to me.
I know you think that impressing Be There and the other five or so guys who hate me on here is important, but you will find that I actually bring knowledge and experience to the board. I have been to plenty of expos and met a lot of pros in person, etc. But by all means bash me because you see literally five other members do it. I am sure it will increase your own popularity on here. Rather than, you know, posting information and knowledge.
Except Manion being rude to people is relevant to this thread. It is as John Romano said - I think he gets off on bossing around bodybuilders who he knows in any other context would literally rip him in two, haha. Romano said that after his own falling out with the IFBB. But I think he is right. Conversely, maybe he just deals with a lot of meatheads and has no patience with them. Wayne Demilia seemed that way too. If you watch the Battle for the Olympia 2002, he really rips into Levrone for being late for the Athlete's Meeting and forces him to apologize.
No Matt I really mean it, no one cares other than you. You got your feelings hurt because Jim Manion didn't give you the response you were hoping to get and now you call him names. He got back to you more than once and was polite. Get over it.
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Yep, "thick skinned". I remember him competing. And the beef he had with Titus, and Titus talking about Edgar's "thick skin", or lack of ability to get peeled. and John Sherman (as a pro) and Vic Richards shared that thick skinned look. Now, there are pics (him lighter) where he looks phenomenal---that pic of him backstage doing a vacuum. Had Edgar turned Pro he may have done damage or ended up like Garrett Downing and Patrick Lynn.
Well I'm hoping you are using the term "thick skinned" tongue in cheek as all people have the same skin thickness. Like I said, Edgar got beat because his conditioning was not up to par on that particular day compared to the guy who beat him. Edgar had the ability to get as ripped as anyone else. To say he was not able to get peeled because he had "thick skin" is nonsense.
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No Matt I really mean it, no one cares other than you. You got your feelings hurt because Jim Manion didn't give you the response you were hoping to get and now you call him names. He got back to you more than once and was polite. Get over it.
I wouldn't waste your time, I think he has something wrong with him mentally, he doesn't seem to be able to process basic information.
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Bodybuilding has usually been run by questionable people. Ben was a life president and Manion is doing likewise. No one can rid of him.
Ditto Paul Graham in Australia. When people voted him out he contacted the IFBB and they merely changed the name and it was business as usual.
Even the Pro cards are bullshit. Just a clever system to control all the sheep bodybuilders.
I remember when Steve Weinberger was puzzled at the judging in 1983 when Bev Francis was placed 8th. He shook his head.
Now he is controlling the judging at the highest level. Now I shake my head. What a circus....what a mess.
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Bodybuilding has usually been run by questionable people.
Now I shake my head. What a circus....what a mess.
Just like U ,Fijian Billy, Tom C., & other AU IFBB rejects "establishing" long time dead UBBA ;D
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Just like U ,Fijian Billy, Tom C., & other AU IFBB rejects "establishing" long time dead UBBA ;D
You really are a thick patsy. I never was a member of UBBA.
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beat me to it.
By the way, I lost £5 yesterday walking the dog, or so I thought, I found it again in the kitchen, I then went down to the shop and thought I had lost it again, I found it in the kitchen bin, I had mistakenly thrown it in there thinking it was a receipt from the shop.
Anyway, I gave it to my wife to put in her rail pass folder as her emergency fiver.
Also well that ends well.
Back to Manion and his comments...
Some events of our life are just mindboggling. I mean... can you believe it?
I'm killing arms today, by the way. Can't remember if i popped 3 or 5 capsules of creatine.
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Some events of our life are just mindboggling. I mean... can you believe it?
I'm killing arms today, by the way. Can't remember if i popped 3 or 5 capsules of creatine.
the only way to know for sure is if it was a new box, you can count how many are left and subtract it from the total contents and you will know how many you took.
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You really are a thick patsy. I never was a member of UBBA.
SENILE old man ::)
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Nothing changes in the NPC or IFBB Pro League in the USA.
For people competing outside of the USA, we are developing open events starting in November 2017 in San Marino, the San Marina Pro show and the Open Amateur Olympia, which will be open to all athletes worldwide, including the USA or any country. There will be pro qualifiers all over, and we will have a listing of them soon.
Funny, Manion didn't mention the hissy fit he had with Rafael Santoja which resulted in the ifbb pro league turning its back on what Ben and Joe spent a lifetime creating.
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New interview with Bob Chick interviewing Jim Manion
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New interview with Bob Chick interviewing Jim Manion
LOL at Manion saying he continues Ben Weider's dream by splitting the Pro League from the IFBB. ::)
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New interview with Bob Chick interviewing Jim Manion
Manion,
1) going from IFBB contests in 150+ member countries to Manion approved contests in only 18 countries is not really progress.
2) Ben's dream was not for you to abandon the organization he created.
3) When you die or retire, will your replacement be president for life, like you?
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Let's hope this new idea raises enough money for them to be able to afford a 2nd microphone.... jeesus.... :P
New interview with Bob Chick interviewing Jim Manion
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Repost - I still think Jim looks like an OG who is would think nothing of ordering a hit....