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WHO HAD A BETTER CAREER ? CUTLER, LEVRONE, OR RAY ?
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can't be Shawn - according to Kamali, he's the least succesful pro of all time
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My Vote goes to Ray :)
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so far Shawn, when it's all over Jay, by far.
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Lets compare pro victories!
Levrone 22
Cutler probably around 4
Ray 1
Nuff said!
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Lets compare pro victories!
Levrone 22
Cutler probably around 4
Ray 1
Nuff said!
Atleast Ray devotes time to Bodybuilding still, puts on shows, works with Vyotech...Jay makes DVD's and does all kinds of seminars, and is a super nice guy to every one. Not to mention Consistent and doesn't disappoint at shows.
Levrone....shrank to the size of a bus driver....wants to be a movie star? ( yah ok! and Bush is president...wtv...)
He sings in a band (which got nowhere )
At the end of the day, Levrone just treats bodybuilding like a stepping stone to go do better things, instead he should give some time helping promote the sport that put him on the map in the first place. Great body...not the smartest career decisions.
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Atleast Ray devotes time to Bodybuilding still, puts on shows, works with Vyotech...Jay makes DVD's and does all kinds of seminars, and is a super nice guy to every one. Not to mention Consistent and doesn't disappoint at shows.
Levrone....shrank to the size of a bus driver....wants to be a movie star? ( yah ok! and Bush is president...wtv...)
He sings in a band (which got nowhere )
At the end of the day, Levrone just treats bodybuilding like a stepping stone to go do better things, instead he should give some time helping promote the sport that put him on the map in the first place. Great body...not the smartest career decisions.
You know nothing about our great sport and are going to get burned bad by everyone here for those stupid comments.
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Shawn has 2 pro wins thats not great by any stretch he was a great competitor and usually showed up in shape , but get serious Flex Wheeler beat his record in his rookie year and it took Shawn 12 years to accumlate those 2 wins , he had 3 but was Dq'ed at the Arnold .
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Shawn has 2 pro wins thats not great by any stretch he was a great competitor and usually showed up in shape , but get serious Flex Wheeler beat his record in his rookie year and it took Shawn 12 years to accumlate those 12 wins , he had 3 but was Dq'ed at the Arnold .
Which 12 wins did are you talking about?
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Atleast Ray devotes time to Bodybuilding still, puts on shows, works with Vyotech...Jay makes DVD's and does all kinds of seminars, and is a super nice guy to every one. Not to mention Consistent and doesn't disappoint at shows.
Levrone....shrank to the size of a bus driver....wants to be a movie star? ( yah ok! and Bush is president...wtv...)
He sings in a band (which got nowhere )
At the end of the day, Levrone just treats bodybuilding like a stepping stone to go do better things, instead he should give some time helping promote the sport that put him on the map in the first place. Great body...not the smartest career decisions.
Shawn is a little midget/tranny fucker who sell his peers out to the DEA
needless to say: he is a piece of shit and even tought he was a great bodybuilder, he is a bad person and a wanna be "christian"
Levrone had the best carreer by far !
22 wins !
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WHO HAD A BETTER CAREER ? CUTLER, LEVRONE, OR RAY ?
who "had"?
Last I checked, Cutler is still going strong...........
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Which 12 wins did are you talking about?
I meant 12 years to acculate those TWO wins
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I meant 12 years to acculate those TWO wins
lol yeah what a hero! ::)
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Lets compare pro victories!
Levrone 22
Cutler probably around 4
Ray 1
Nuff said!
agreed.
although I believe that Shawn at his best would beat Jay and Kevin, in terms of career, Kevin smokes them both.
at one time, Kevin had more pro victories than anyone, beating Vince Taylor's record.
You can't argue with that.
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kevin but jay is close and will probably surpass him
shawn doesn't belong in the argument
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Shawn was probably the best amongst the Mr. Olympia contenders who never won the show - other than Jay I mean.
we're talking about careers here, whether you like shawn's physique more is irrelevant
2 total wins and only competing once a year most of the time
kev place in the top 5 of the O one less time than shawn when competing at basically every show and he placed 6th at his last O only because he tore his tricep a few weeks before
it's not an argument
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collussus, no offense, but you seem to be *in love* with the BBing ideals.
If Levrone is able to use BBing to move on to more mainstream ideals, he isn't a prick for it, he's smart. Two small movie gigs a year and a few appearances, and he's doing better than the other guys who spend 50k on gear (cuts) or struggle to break even on a showw (sray). And way better than guys stuffing envelopes with DVDs for a 50 cent profit margin.
Also, on another thread, you talked about how Uncle ben W was a very honest businessman who didn't make any $ on the IFBB. And, you have trashtalked other competitors here with the serious visciousness.
it's cool you compete, it's cool you like the sport. And I know in another 5-10 years, you'll lose the naivety and cockiness like most do. Just read and do your research. Bbing is not a rich sport, an honest sport, a clean sport, a safe sport, or a sport which can sustain you for your lifetime.
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At the end of the day, Levrone just treats bodybuilding like a stepping stone to go do better things, instead he should give some time helping promote the sport that put him on the map in the first place. Great body...not the smartest career decisions.
that guy arnold did the same
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Shawn is a little midget/tranny fucker who sell his peers out to the DEA
needless to say: he is a piece of shit and even tought he was a great bodybuilder, he is a bad person and a wanna be "christian"
Levrone had the best carreer by far !
22 wins !
Agreed Shawn never put his neck on the line in his latter career, chasing 3rd or 4th loser at the Olympia.Class physique but never really put it on the line.
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can't be Shawn - according to Kamali, he's the least succesful pro of all time
This coming from a guy who lives in his parents basemant and sponges off his wife!
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What I'm saying is that Shawn had the longest spanning Olympia career for someone so consistently placing in the money.
yes because it is easier to peak when you compete once a year
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The reason Shawn Ray has only two pro wins under his belt is because he was usually one of those Olympia-to-Olympia competitors. That's the show he wanted to win, and since (at that time) cracking the top 10 at the O qualified you for the next year's show, Ray had no real motivation to win a smaller show.
Otherwise, he'd likely had cleaned up on the Grand Prix Circuit.
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Shawn has 2 pro wins thats not great by any stretch he was a great competitor and usually showed up in shape , but get serious Flex Wheeler beat his record in his rookie year and it took Shawn 12 years to accumlate those 2 wins , he had 3 but was Dq'ed at the Arnold .
I'm not sure 'pro wins' means a thing with a question like this. Darrem Charles has more wins but is a tenth of the icon Shawn is. I'm not into sucking dick but if there are any bodybuilding 'greats' then Shawn is surely one of them. He has one of the classic physiques, regardless of whether Gustavo Bagay has as many wins. Top 5 at the Olypia a million times is never gonna happen for Darrem. Even the gifted likes of Heath will be lucky to achieve that kind of consistency. Wins shmins, just ask Lee Priest!
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I'm not sure 'pro wins' means a thing with a question like this. Darrem Charles has more wins but is a tenth of the icon Shawn is. I'm not into sucking dick but if there are any bodybuilding 'greats' then Shawn is surely one of them. He has one of the classic physiques, regardless of whether Gustavo Bagay has as many wins. Top 5 at the Olypia a million times is never gonna happen for Darrem. Even the gifted likes of Heath will be lucky to achieve that kind of consistency. Wins shmins, just ask Lee Priest!
Shawn isn't one of the all time greats , he's not even in the top 20 of all time greatest bodybuilders ! he has 2 professional wins in 12 years of competing he would have had 3 be he failed the drug test . 2 wins out of 19 contests and thats great? he always placed top 5 in the Mr Olympia with 2 second place spots while thats pretty damn good , thats not great.
Shawn was consistant but so were a lot of other bodybuilders , Rich Gaspari had 2 runner-ups at the Olympia and he has 9 pro wins ! Lee Labrada has two runner-ups at the Olmpia and he had 8 pro wins and he never placed below 4th in an Olympia and never placed below 5th in a Pro contest . Shawn Ray is very good at marketing himself as great , he was an excellent competitor who was consistant and placed very well , that in my opinion doesn't qualify him was great , especially not with just 2 pro wins in 12 years of competing .
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in terms of an actual bodybuilding career, i'd have to say Levrone so far. but i think Cutler could overshadow him in the long run if he stays in the game a few more years.
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Shawn isn't one of the all time greats , he's not even in the top 20 of all time greatest bodybuilders !
Being great isnt about winning shows (well for me it isnt)
ND who is on the list of 20 greatest BB....
I judge my list by the peak shape of a BB
Dorian
Ronnie
Haney
Arnold
Then who ?? Im sorry but Shawn Ray makes top 5, easy top 10 of all time.
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Being great isnt about winning shows (well for me it isnt)
ND who is on the list of 20 greatest BB....
I judge my list by the peak shape of a BB
Dorian
Ronnie
Haney
Arnold
Then who ?? Im sorry but Shawn Ray makes top 5, easy top 10 of all time.
All of the Mr Olympia make the list by virtue of being the best in their hey day , so thats 10 already !
Steve Reeves
Eugine Sandow
Bill Pearl
Flex Wheeler
Lee Labrada
Bob Paris ( although not one single pro win )
Kevin Levrone
Chris Cormier
Robby Ronbinson
Vince Taylor
Mike Mentzer
Dave Draper
Danny Padilla
Hell I can go on , but some are better soley based on physiques some based on the impact they had on their era , consistancy , more wins , etc .
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All of the Mr Olympia make the list by virtue of being the best in their hey day , so thats 10 already !
Steve Reeves
Eugine Sandow
Bill Pearl
Flex Wheeler
Lee Labrada
Bob Paris ( although not one single pro win )
Kevin Levrone
Chris Cormier
Robby Ronbinson
Vince Taylor
Mike Mentzer
Dave Draper
Danny Padilla
Hell I can go on , but some are better soley based on physiques some based on the impact they had on their era , consistancy , more wins , etc .
Utter bollocks. By your reasoning shawn isnt on that list since he only won 2 shows.
Its doesnt matter that he was top five at the o 12 years in a row.
That pisses on the acheivements of others, who, have may have more pro victories but most of those are made up of winning at lesser shows.
As for bob paris being on the list................. HELL NO!
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Utter bollocks. By your reasoning shawn isnt on that list since he only won 2 shows.
Its doesnt matter that he was top five at the o 12 years in a row.
That pisses on the acheivements of others, who, have may have more pro victories but most of those are made up of winning at lesser shows.
As for bob paris being on the list................. HELL NO!
Bob Paris rains all over Shawn's parade in terms of physique , even though he never won a pro show his physique outclasses Rays with ease .
Shawn isn't on that list because he won just 2 shows he was consistant sure but big deal so was Rich Gaspari who has more pro shows and like Ray 2 runner-ups in the Olympia and I wouldn't put him on that list
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Bob Paris rains all over Shawn's parade in terms of physique , even though he never won a pro show his physique outclasses Rays with ease .
Shawn isn't on that list because he won just 2 shows he was consistant sure but big deal so was Rich Gaspari who has more pro shows and like Ray 2 runner-ups in the Olympia and I wouldn't put him on that list
Well Career wise Shawn may have not won shows but has more magazine covers and endorsements than almost everyone on your additional list. But impact on era is hard to gauge... I was actually talking in terms of what they looked like. And Shawn looked better than everyone on that list easily!! (except for Levrone, Cormier,LaBrada and Vince) However out of those guys I still would have hime beating them on all thier best days.
Just my opinon
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Well Career wise Shawn may have not won shows but has more magazine covers and endorsements than almost everyone on your additional list. But impact on era is hard to gauge... I was actually talking in terms of what they looked like. And Shawn looked better than everyone on that list easily!! (except for Levrone, Cormier,LaBrada and Vince) However out of those guys I still would have hime beating them on all thier best days.
Just my opinon
Again Shawn was very good at marketing himself and he was good looking and articulate so he had a lot to work with . and physique wise you say " Ray looks better than Bill pearl " but this isn't accurate comparision for obvious reasons but I would say overall the men on that list are a lot closer to being a great bodybuilder than Ray .
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Kevin. ;)