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Re: Arnold Schwarzenegger - Muscle gallery
« Reply #3750 on: June 15, 2017, 12:53:44 AM »
Sergio was (and still is) a freak, a real freak..  Weren't Larry Scott and Dave D afraid to go up against him?  He was that crazy built.  Maybe so crazy that he didn't care about showmanship, he was the man who couldn't be beat.  Then comes taller charismatic Arnold.  Who lost to him the first Mr. O, but then poured it on and Sergio stayed the same?

A lot of truth in this. Scott even said himself that he needed to retire when Sergio came on the scene. Also, one of the reasons our own Basile declined Dr. Walczak offer to help him become a top pro. Vince knew he could never compare with Sergio. Sergio was just on another planet compared to the top guys then. Sergio became complacent and thought he was a gift from God that no one can compare with. This feed into his natural tendency to be lazy and undisciplined. He did stay the same and was no match for the much more hungry, fiercely determined and supremely disciplined Arnold.

In his time, Arnold was so far ahead of everyone that it's no wonder he got bored after 74 while still in his mid twenties wanting to move on to other things only coming back in 75 to film PI.

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« Reply #3751 on: June 15, 2017, 12:55:15 AM »
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Really? Can you verify this? I followed bbing since the early 70s and though many praised Oliva as a genetic freak and more genetically gifted than Arnold I never heard anyone ever say that he was better when both was at their personal best. Arnold destroyed Sergio in the leg department, as well as chest and arms. He was also much taller, better conditioned and therefore presented a much more impressive overall package. Sergio took his gifts for granted. Didn't diet like he should have and didn't present himself well on stage with his shitty posing. Arnold took nothing for granted and mastered his posing, stage presence and every single detail that would insure victory.

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« Reply #3752 on: June 15, 2017, 02:29:21 AM »
Really? Can you verify this? I followed bbing since the early 70s and though many praised Oliva as a genetic freak and more genetically gifted than Arnold I never heard anyone ever say that he was better when both was at their personal best. Arnold destroyed Sergio in the leg department, as well as chest and arms. He was also much taller, better conditioned and therefore presented a much more impressive overall package. Sergio took his gifts for granted. Didn't diet like he should have and didn't present himself well on stage with his shitty posing. Arnold took nothing for granted and mastered his posing, stage presence and every single detail that would insure victory.
yourve got very valid points with most this post but with all due respect saying Arnold destroyed Sergio in the LEG department is far fetched (if we are talking prime condition) nobody can argue that Arnold had better separation though his Quads than Sergio had and his calves were a strong point, but there's far more too quad comparisons than that, hamstrings, fullness, etc, Sergio had very good hamstrings for the era his calves (more so as a older version were long full and separated) Arnold IMO lacked hamstrings and front on (without clever angles etc) Arnold didn't imo have the same sweep and fullness as a prime oliva.

As for arms...well again nobody is going too say Sergio had better BICEPS or better separation than the oak, but there's also more too the arms than massive cut biceps, Triceps, forearms, fullness too the entire arm etc has too be taken into consideration surely, Chest is Arnold's but make no mistake...Sergios chest was very full, hard and in prime condition very good in relation too the whole package.

I think Sergio was a lot better than people give him credit for and IMO Arnold's consistency with leaving NOTHING for granted and no stone unturned was his strongest assert, I don't think Arnold was in a class bye himself with the possible exception of the 1974 Mr Olympia, THAT package he turned up with was a different level form that point onward.

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« Reply #3753 on: June 15, 2017, 04:01:59 AM »
yourve got very valid points with most this post but with all due respect saying Arnold destroyed Sergio in the LEG department is far fetched (if we are talking prime condition) nobody can argue that Arnold had better separation though his Quads than Sergio had and his calves were a strong point, but there's far more too quad comparisons than that, hamstrings, fullness, etc, Sergio had very good hamstrings for the era his calves (more so as a older version were long full and separated) Arnold IMO lacked hamstrings and front on (without clever angles etc) Arnold didn't imo have the same sweep and fullness as a prime oliva.

As for arms...well again nobody is going too say Sergio had better BICEPS or better separation than the oak, but there's also more too the arms than massive cut biceps, Triceps, forearms, fullness too the entire arm etc has too be taken into consideration surely, Chest is Arnold's but make no mistake...Sergios chest was very full, hard and in prime condition very good in relation too the whole package.

I think Sergio was a lot better than people give him credit for and IMO Arnold's consistency with leaving NOTHING for granted and no stone unturned was his strongest assert, I don't think Arnold was in a class bye himself with the possible exception of the 1974 Mr Olympia, THAT package he turned up with was a different level form that point onward.
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« Reply #3754 on: June 15, 2017, 05:22:20 AM »
Really? Can you verify this? I followed bbing since the early 70s and though many praised Oliva as a genetic freak and more genetically gifted than Arnold I never heard anyone ever say that he was better when both was at their personal best. Arnold destroyed Sergio in the leg department, as well as chest and arms. He was also much taller, better conditioned and therefore presented a much more impressive overall package. Sergio took his gifts for granted. Didn't diet like he should have and didn't present himself well on stage with his shitty posing. Arnold took nothing for granted and mastered his posing, stage presence and every single detail that would insure victory.


This .   (just kidding  ;D)


From Chet Yorton (1960's) to Boyer Coe(1980's)  Everyone who has competed or seeing both Arnold and Sergio up close at their best, agree that Sergio was a better bobybuilder ....Only Tom Platz (Who never saw Oliva at his prime) Franco and Lou ( who you can only believe 25% of what they say ) publicly and in private Arnold was better ....


I would have to say that you'd  have to go back to the early stage of the "sport" (60's) to see it that way,  Sergio was the best bodybuilder in the planet when Weider came up with a new contest called Mr.O" ...by Bodybuilders and fans Sergio was above the tittle at the time
Arnold was featured in muscle builder covers while Sergio 3X Mr.O wasnt..... 1971 and 72 Sergio was better ( according to most at the time)  Great photos of 71' & 72' Sergio never made it to the Weider publications




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« Reply #3755 on: June 15, 2017, 06:12:33 AM »
Yes, back then, many bodybuilders did not think that Arnold could beat Sergio. Sergio looks incredible in the late 60's. Even Arnold said that Sergio can be beat .. ( but) with a bat.  ;D

Of course, Joe Weider already knew who will be the new IFBB star. Arnold, from the beginning in US, got money, the Mercedes car, house, the role in Hercules movie. All he had to do in the US was to.. train and pose for Weider mags. On the other hand, Sergio had to work to make money . He did not have these benefits from Weider even as Mr Olympia

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« Reply #3756 on: June 15, 2017, 06:13:57 AM »
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« Reply #3757 on: June 15, 2017, 06:56:21 AM »
Yes, back then, many bodybuilders did not think that Arnold could beat Sergio. Sergio looks incredible in the late 60's. Even Arnold said that Sergio can be beat .. ( but) with a bat.  ;D

Of course, Joe Weider already knew who will be the new IFBB star. Arnold, from the beginning in US, got money, the Mercedes car, house, the role in Hercules movie. All he had to do in the US was to.. train and pose for Weider mags. On the other hand, Sergio had to work to make money . He did not have these benefits from Weider even as Mr Olympia

I think Arnold earned his car and house . . . And we need to ask ourselves why Sergio had to work? I would suggest he had offers from Joe and perhaps Dan Laurie. Why did he not capitalize on opportunities?

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« Reply #3758 on: June 15, 2017, 07:17:09 AM »
Yes, back then, many bodybuilders did not think that Arnold could beat Sergio. Sergio looks incredible in the late 60's. Even Arnold said that Sergio can be beat .. ( but) with a bat.  ;D

Of course, Joe Weider already knew who will be the new IFBB star. Arnold, from the beginning in US, got money, the Mercedes car, house, the role in Hercules movie. All he had to do in the US was to.. train and pose for Weider mags. On the other hand, Sergio had to work to make money . He did not have these benefits from Weider even as Mr Olympia

Another interesting fact is that Sergio is the only Mr.O winner in history not to win the tittle at his best... by 1974 Arnold wanted to retire from BB and leave the spotlight if you will , to Franco (Mr.O tittle and judging panel included) ....Both Sergio and Nubret were far better than Franco,Zane etc but were in war with Weider and the IFBB at that time .



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« Reply #3759 on: June 15, 2017, 07:36:53 AM »
From what I know, Franco beat Serge in 1973. And in 1974 Serge will not compete.

I think Arnold earned his car and house . . . And we need to ask ourselves why Sergio had to work? I would suggest he had offers from Joe and perhaps Dan Laurie. Why did he not capitalize on opportunities?
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Or ask yourself why Sergio was forced to make money elsewhere, from Lurie as you said. Why Weider was not as generous with him (as it was with Arnold, a newcomer).  ;)

Weider decided Sergio's fate by bringing Arnold to the US. I think no one is naive to believe anything else. As himself said, he invested too much in Arnold, to be only the 2nd. It was a matter of time.

If you look at pictures from the 1969 Mr. Olympia, you can see on Arnold and Weider faces their disappointment..It was too early. And Sergio was too good.

A year later, at the Mr World, Joe and Jim Lorimer had tricked Sergio to compete saying that Arnold will not appear. Sergio was not ready for Arnold. He still had 2 weeks until to Olympia. It was the perfect opportunity for Joe to show that the invincible Sergio can be defeated. And Arnold to come at the 1970 Mr Olympia with the image of the guy who had just defeated Sergio, the champ.

But it was not enough. At the 1970 Mr Olympia, to be sure of victory, Arnold tricked Sergio saying that he is tired and wants to leave the scene. Sergio agreed to leave the scene, but Arnold remained alone making gestures," why Sergio gone? I'm still here." And so history was written..

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« Reply #3760 on: June 15, 2017, 08:10:57 AM »
I think Arnold earned his car and house . . . And we need to ask ourselves why Sergio had to work? I would suggest he had offers from Joe and perhaps Dan Laurie. Why did he not capitalize on opportunities?

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arnold, lou ferrigno and sergio all took turns suing dan lurie at joe weiders urging.  sergio's was over an ad he did for lurie.
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« Reply #3761 on: June 15, 2017, 08:15:22 AM »
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« Reply #3762 on: June 15, 2017, 09:10:06 AM »
pics speak volumes
lou had good legs for a big man ..he had good genetics other than for hearing ...

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« Reply #3763 on: June 15, 2017, 09:44:07 AM »
Or should we say good quads, his calves were under par and then he got those silly implants.

lou had good legs for a big man ..he had good genetics other than for hearing ...

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« Reply #3764 on: June 15, 2017, 11:19:22 AM »
Lou is a piece of trash.

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« Reply #3765 on: June 15, 2017, 11:21:04 AM »
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« Reply #3766 on: June 15, 2017, 01:27:34 PM »
From what I know, Franco beat Serge in 1973. And in 1974 Serge will not compete.

Or ask yourself why Sergio was forced to make money elsewhere, from Lurie as you said. Why Weider was not as generous with him (as it was with Arnold, a newcomer).  ;)

Weider decided Sergio's fate by bringing Arnold to the US. I think no one is naive to believe anything else. As himself said, he invested too much in Arnold, to be only the 2nd. It was a matter of time.

If you look at pictures from the 1969 Mr. Olympia, you can see on Arnold and Weider faces their disappointment..It was too early. And Sergio was too good.

A year later, at the Mr World, Joe and Jim Lorimer had tricked Sergio to compete saying that Arnold will not appear. Sergio was not ready for Arnold. He still had 2 weeks until to Olympia. It was the perfect opportunity for Joe to show that the invincible Sergio can be defeated. And Arnold to come at the 1970 Mr Olympia with the image of the guy who had just defeated Sergio, the champ.

But it was not enough. At the 1970 Mr Olympia, to be sure of victory, Arnold tricked Sergio saying that he is tired and wants to leave the scene. Sergio agreed to leave the scene, but Arnold remained alone making gestures," why Sergio gone? I'm still here." And so history was written..
By the time Weider brough Arnold in the US he was already making waves in Europe and was a 2x NABBA Universe winner. The 1970 Mr.World was a AAU contest and had nothing to do with Weider,it's promoter was Jim Lorimer. Sergio also lost the NABBA Universe to Bill Pearl-nothing to do with either Arnold or Weider. In short Arnold was winning outside of IFBB while Sergio was losing outside of IFBB.
Also the only way for Arnold to stay in the USA was if he had a sponsor,while Sergio was a refuge and as such allowed to work  and was even probably given benefits.

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« Reply #3767 on: June 15, 2017, 01:29:59 PM »
By the time Weider brough Arnold in the US he was already making waves in Europe and was a 2x NABBA Universe winner. The 1970 Mr.World was a AAU contest and had nothing to do with Weider,it's promoter was Jim Lorimer. Sergio also lost the NABBA Universe to Bill Pearl-nothing to do with either Arnold or Weider. In short Arnold was winning outside of IFBB while Sergio was losing outside of IFBB.
Also the only way for Arnold to stay in the USA was if he had a sponsor,while Sergio was a refuge and as such allowed to work  and was even probably given benefits.
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« Reply #3768 on: June 15, 2017, 01:35:16 PM »
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« Reply #3769 on: June 15, 2017, 02:05:15 PM »
By the time Weider brough Arnold in the US he was already making waves in Europe and was a 2x NABBA Universe winner. The 1970 Mr.World was a AAU contest and had nothing to do with Weider,it's promoter was Jim Lorimer. Sergio also lost the NABBA Universe to Bill Pearl-nothing to do with either Arnold or Weider. In short Arnold was winning outside of IFBB while Sergio was losing outside of IFBB.
Also the only way for Arnold to stay in the USA was if he had a sponsor,while Sergio was a refuge and as such allowed to work  and was even probably given benefits.




Well said.

Goes against the grain for a lot of Arnold haters / Sergio fans.

Sergio had Exceptional bodybuilding genetics just didn't make the most of them
Whereas Arnold did - He did all he could to be the best & He was.

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« Reply #3770 on: June 15, 2017, 02:16:29 PM »



Well said.

Goes against the grain for a lot of Arnold haters / Sergio fans.

Sergio had Exceptional bodybuilding genetics just didn't make the most of them
Whereas Arnold did - He did all he could to be the best & He was.
When Arnold lost to Zane in 1968 he learned his lesson and improved his conditioning. Sergio relied on his genetics and believed the myth he is unbeatable semi god and didn't think it's necessary to pay attention to his posing and diet for a contest.It was ok against Dave Draper, Harold Poole and Chuck Sipes but surtainly not against someone like Arnold or even Bill Pearl.

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« Reply #3771 on: June 15, 2017, 02:23:16 PM »
the greatest 

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He would have beaten easily both Sergio and Pearl in 71.

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« Reply #3772 on: June 15, 2017, 02:49:08 PM »
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« Reply #3773 on: June 15, 2017, 02:51:33 PM »
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« Reply #3774 on: June 15, 2017, 06:52:45 PM »
arnold, lou ferrigno and sergio all took turns suing dan lurie at joe weiders urging.  sergio's was over an ad he did for lurie.

Hum . . . Good info, thanks.

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