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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/world/australia-great-white-shark/index.html?c=world
A great white was devoured by another creature — likely a much larger creature — in Australian waters, and now researchers are trying to find out what said creature was. According to CNN, the 9-foot long shark had a tracking device on it that was found washed up on a beach. The information that was on that device showed something very interesting.
“It showed that it had suddenly undergone a rapid increase in temperature and a swift 1,900-foot (580-meter) dive beneath the waves. Scientists attribute the more than 30-degree spike in temperature to the shark entering another animal’s digestive system, and the unexpected plunge could be explained by the larger animal’s rapid descent.”
Great whites are very large mammals, and there aren’t too many other “fish in the sea” that can take one out. Theories about what might have been able to devour a shark of that size have already surfaced, some wondering if the legendary Megalodon was the culprit.
As previously reported by The Inquisitr, Megalodon is a 67-foot shark that is believed to be extinct. However, no one has been able to prove that the shark actually existed or that it has since gone extinct. If this sea beast is still alive today, it is possible that it could have devoured a great white shark.
There is a documentary called Hunt for the Super Predator which chronicles the research being done to find out what exactly happened to this great white shark (it will air on The Smithsonian Channel on June 25). Filmmaker Dave Riggs said:
“When I was first told about the data that came back from the tag that was on the shark, I was absolutely blown away. The question that not only came to my mind but everyone’s mind who was involved was, ‘What did that?’ It was obviously eaten. What’s going to eat a shark that big? What could kill a 3-meter (9-foot) great white?”
Geekosystem.com comes up with a few other guesses: “Giant squid? Underwater Sharknado? Godzilla? Megalodon?” But there haven’t been any definitive answers just yet. Perhaps more believable theories include a larger great white or even an orca whale. While it might be easy for most people to brush this off, scientists are determined to find some answers. What do you think devoured the great white shark? Do you think Megalodon exists?
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Whatever did that, it's one serious mofo. Not to be messed with.
Probably rises from the deep, deep depths every so often to show all the other sea creatures who's boss.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/world/australia-great-white-shark/index.html?c=world
A great white was devoured by another creature — likely a much larger creature — in Australian waters, and now researchers are trying to find out what said creature was. According to CNN, the 9-foot long shark had a tracking device on it that was found washed up on a beach. The information that was on that device showed something very interesting.
“It showed that it had suddenly undergone a rapid increase in temperature and a swift 1,900-foot (580-meter) dive beneath the waves. Scientists attribute the more than 30-degree spike in temperature to the shark entering another animal’s digestive system, and the unexpected plunge could be explained by the larger animal’s rapid descent.”
Great whites are very large mammals, and there aren’t too many other “fish in the sea” that can take one out. Theories about what might have been able to devour a shark of that size have already surfaced, some wondering if the legendary Megalodon was the culprit.
As previously reported by The Inquisitr, Megalodon is a 67-foot shark that is believed to be extinct. However, no one has been able to prove that the shark actually existed or that it has since gone extinct. If this sea beast is still alive today, it is possible that it could have devoured a great white shark.
There is a documentary called Hunt for the Super Predator which chronicles the research being done to find out what exactly happened to this great white shark (it will air on The Smithsonian Channel on June 25). Filmmaker Dave Riggs said:
“When I was first told about the data that came back from the tag that was on the shark, I was absolutely blown away. The question that not only came to my mind but everyone’s mind who was involved was, ‘What did that?’ It was obviously eaten. What’s going to eat a shark that big? What could kill a 3-meter (9-foot) great white?”
Geekosystem.com comes up with a few other guesses: “Giant squid? Underwater Sharknado? Godzilla? Megalodon?” But there haven’t been any definitive answers just yet. Perhaps more believable theories include a larger great white or even an orca whale. While it might be easy for most people to brush this off, scientists are determined to find some answers. What do you think devoured the great white shark? Do you think Megalodon exists?
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Probably an orca.
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Megas are extinct dinos. Let's go with orca for now.
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As previously reported by The Inquisitr, Megalodon is a 67-foot shark that is believed to be extinct. However, no one has been able to prove that the shark actually existed or that it has since gone extinct.
the fossil teeth prove that it existed quite well...
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A little shakin'... a little tenderizin' and down you go.
(http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/j9.jpg)
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the fossil teeth prove that it existed quite well...
I would certainly assume it existed, but extinct as T-Rex.
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A little shakin'... a little tenderizin' and down you go.
(http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/j9.jpg)
We're gonna need a bigger boat...
And I'm going with an Orca. An adult Killer Whale could easily take out a Great White of that size.
Either that or the legendary Giant Sea Monkey.
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We're gonna need a bigger boat...
And I'm going with an Orca. An adult Killer Whale could easily take out a Great White of that size.
Either that or the legendary Giant Sea Monkey.
Top predators in the sea: sperm whale, orca, great white, in that order. Squid schmid. But this probably has a more reasonable explanation.
Maybe I should read the article first.
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The fact that this article mentions megalodon makes the source suspect. There's a simple explanation here that's been overlooked or ignored.
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Megas are extinct dinos. Let's go with orca for now.
theres documentaries captured on film of Orcas killing and eating great whites.. theres a couple on youtube
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Top predators in the sea: sperm whale, orca, great white, in that order. Squid schmid. But this probably has a more reasonable explanation.
Maybe I should read the article first.
Orca. A Sperm Whale usually dines on Giant Squid and can dive to tremendous depths in pursuit of their prey. But I don't think we can as yet rule out the Giant Sea Monkey.
Nah. Orca done it. Many years ago I saw a film of an Killer Whale taking out a shark (cannot recall if it was a Great White or a Hammerhead but it was pretty big) by swimming up from beneath the beastie and literally biting it in half.
Dolphins will do the same thing but instead concentrate on pounding the soft underbelly of the shark and destroying the internal organs of the creature. I don't believe they eat the shark, they just hate 'em cuz sharks eat dolphins (when they can).
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theres documentaries captured on film of Orcas killing and eating great whites.. theres a couple on youtube
There's one. Happened at the Farallones off San Francisco. Capt. Mick, his boat. His whale-watching passenger filmed it. Juvenile shark, pretty small. Big whale.
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Orca. A Sperm Whale usually dines on Giant Squid and can dive to tremendous depths in pursuit of their prey. But I don't think we can as yet rule out the Giant Sea Monkey.
Nah. Orca done it. Many years ago I saw a film of an Killer Whale taking out a shark (cannot recall if it was a Great White or a Hammerhead but it was pretty big) by swimming up from beneath the beastie and literally biting it in half.
Dolphins will do the same thing but instead concentrate on pounding the soft underbelly of the shark and destroying the internal organs of the creature. I don't believe they eat the shark, they just hate 'em cuz sharks eat dolphins (when they can).
Don't give up on the sea monkey thing just yet.
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A Great Black Shark wouldn't stand for any of that trash from a Megaladon, extinct or not, due to a strong pimp hand.
;D
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I have to go with the legendary Sea monkey for now!
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There's one. Happened at the Farallones off San Francisco. Capt. Mick, his boat. His whale-watching passenger filmed it. Juvenile shark, pretty small. Big whale.
Ended the cage diving season quickly. The whites sensed that there were scarier creatures in town and hit the bricks. I know this place and its history well.
"The Devil's Teeth" is a good primer.
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(http://www.afinelung.com/wp-content/uploads/Sea-Monkeys.jpg)
Here we see a "Pod" of young Giant Sea Monkeys being taught to line dance by a brave young Swedish female scientist by the name of Inda Bootea.
In the upper right hand corner of the photo we see a male sea monkey (coincidentally just beginning puberty) about to pounce upon Ms Bootea and have his sea-simian way with her.
Terrifying.
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(http://www.afinelung.com/wp-content/uploads/Sea-Monkeys.jpg)
Here we see a "Pod" of young Giant Sea Monkeys being taught to line dance by a brave young Swedish female scientist by the name of Inda Bootea.
In the upper right hand corner of the photo we see a male sea monkey (coincidentally just beginning puberty) about to pounce upon Ms Bootea and have his sea-simian way with her.
Terrifying.
We're talking about different animals, my friend.
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We're talking about different animals, my friend.
True. But what about this beastie?!
(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/H/H-/fark_H-NYUj95Q7Pg26keVhCdfOHH_Qw.jpg?t=1llGwVEyJ2xO2TtQ1PxqxA&f=1402891200)
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We're gonna need a bigger boat...
And I'm going with an Orca. An adult Killer Whale could easily take out a Great White of that size.
Either that or the legendary Giant Sea Monkey.
"YOU'RE gonna need a bigger boat".
Saw the movie 100's of times.
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True. But what about this beastie?!
(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/H/H-/fark_H-NYUj95Q7Pg26keVhCdfOHH_Qw.jpg?t=1llGwVEyJ2xO2TtQ1PxqxA&f=1402891200)
Can't see pic. iPad is silly that way.
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Funny, the info OP posted is not from CNN but other website. On CNN's link:
Additional study of sharks in the area provided a possible answer to this question: According to researchers, larger great white sharks were found in the spot where the original shark met its fate.
These huge sharks, the scientists say, are big enough to have eaten another great white and are able to dive at the speed and depth observed by the tracking device.
It's not unprecedented for sharks to eat other sharks, and the researchers posit that a 2-ton "colossal cannibal great white shark" is a likely culprit in this case.
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Here's the other website:
http://www.inquisitr.com/1292067/great-white-devoured-did-megalodon-consume-a-9-foot-great-white-in-australia/
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Not to discredit the story but how convenient this "Megaladon attack" happened to coincide nicely with the release of a TV documentary on the subject
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;D Great whites are not LARGE MAMMALS 8)
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Whatever it was, it wasn't Megalodon. the creature would have to have a 78 F degree body temp, which would effectively rule out fish.
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Just extra large White, not the 1st sighting in South Australia, hips of tuna/food in those waters.
Doco was screened on ABC-TV 3x in the last 6 months.
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Whatever it was, it wasn't Megalodon. the creature would have to have a 78 F degree body temp, which would effectively rule out fish.
It's must have been a giant beaver, or some other land dwelling creature that is well versed water travel.
Giant polar bear that perfected the skill to dive.
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Maybe it was this?
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Im sure it was another shark.
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Im sure it was another shark.
78 degree body temp...that is not a shark...
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78 degree body temp...that is not a shark...
I did not read 78 degrees
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What really happened...
getbigger snorkeling, a great white comes along and the anabolic window with memories of jaws kicked in.
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I did not read 78 degrees
The article is incomplete. When you read the complete article, it states that the device was inside "something" that had a temp of 78 degrees...and stayed for a while. Now, Great whites do have a slightly higher temp, but not 78 degrees, that is way too high. That would either be a mammal, or maybe something else. But, doubtful that it was a giant Megalodon, which is nothing more than a giant greak white.
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It's must have been a giant beaver
x2, first thing i thought of.
Beavers are a menace. They completely fuck up entire eco-systems so they can have a house that looks like shit. Their cute faces are a ruse, hiding a diabolical, self centered, destructive mind. No doubt one of their larger ones ate this shark. Beavers are all sons of bitches.
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This will be responsible...
(http://c0026106.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/6d61b8f4b57947ad9dae3c62cd10d3d0_killer-whale-male.png)
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The culprit...
(http://www.entropiaplanets.com/attachments/cthulhu-rlyeh-rising-jpg.6806/)
Although i am discrediting the whole article due to them calling a Shark a Mammal... They are NOT mammals.
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Bullshit marketing for their show. Probably got caught in a big ship's rotor.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/world/australia-great-white-shark/index.html?c=world
A great white was devoured by another creature — likely a much larger creature — in Australian waters, and now researchers are trying to find out what said creature was. According to CNN, the 9-foot long shark had a tracking device on it that was found washed up on a beach. The information that was on that device showed something very interesting.
“It showed that it had suddenly undergone a rapid increase in temperature and a swift 1,900-foot (580-meter) dive beneath the waves. Scientists attribute the more than 30-degree spike in temperature to the shark entering another animal’s digestive system, and the unexpected plunge could be explained by the larger animal’s rapid descent.”
Great whites are very large mammals, and there aren’t too many other “fish in the sea” that can take one out. Theories about what might have been able to devour a shark of that size have already surfaced, some wondering if the legendary Megalodon was the culprit.
As previously reported by The Inquisitr, Megalodon is a 67-foot shark that is believed to be extinct. However, no one has been able to prove that the shark actually existed or that it has since gone extinct. If this sea beast is still alive today, it is possible that it could have devoured a great white shark.
There is a documentary called Hunt for the Super Predator which chronicles the research being done to find out what exactly happened to this great white shark (it will air on The Smithsonian Channel on June 25). Filmmaker Dave Riggs said:
“When I was first told about the data that came back from the tag that was on the shark, I was absolutely blown away. The question that not only came to my mind but everyone’s mind who was involved was, ‘What did that?’ It was obviously eaten. What’s going to eat a shark that big? What could kill a 3-meter (9-foot) great white?”
Geekosystem.com comes up with a few other guesses: “Giant squid? Underwater Sharknado? Godzilla? Megalodon?” But there haven’t been any definitive answers just yet. Perhaps more believable theories include a larger great white or even an orca whale. While it might be easy for most people to brush this off, scientists are determined to find some answers. What do you think devoured the great white shark? Do you think Megalodon exists?
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This will be responsible...
(http://c0026106.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/6d61b8f4b57947ad9dae3c62cd10d3d0_killer-whale-male.png)
Orca maybe...saw a show that talked about them killing and eating great whites.
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
Why don't you go off with Sev and discuss the reptilian aliens or something?
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
I totally believe you're an expert on monsters in the deep end.
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
Er how do you know? You seen them?
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I totally believe you're an expert on monsters in the deep end.
;D
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Ended the cage diving season quickly. The whites sensed that there were scarier creatures in town and hit the bricks. I know this place and its history well.
"The Devil's Teeth" is a good primer.
Good book
Theres not enough info here...how do they know the 'entire shark' was eaten, and not just the tag?
Also the issue with orcas..i dont think they have the jaws/teeth like a shark designed for shearing off huge chunck of flesh. Thry kill sharks for sure but i dont think they can 'bite it in half' or consume the whole shark in 1-2 peices. Also, do orcas dive that deep?
Seems like the issue here is either just the tag got swallowed, which makes the whole story ho-hum...or if the whole shark was actually eaten, the culprit is most likely another, very large, great white.
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The perplexing situation, which occurred four months after researchers tagged the shark, is chronicled in the Smithsonian Institution's documentary film "Hunt for the Super Predator," which airs in the United States on June 25.
hahahahahaha, now the whole story makes sense ...
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Mars was likely involved in this.
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Er how do you know? You seen them?
humans have only surveyed 5-10% of the oceans, and even lower percentage of the deepest oceans, in the deepest part of the ocean you could put mount everest under there and it would still be covered by over a mile of water, now think of the huge monsters that lay await in that deep hole, you should be scared.
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
Deep end of peace
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Here is more
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/mysterious-sea-creature-ate-9-foot-great-white-australia-video/ (http://www.wideopenspaces.com/mysterious-sea-creature-ate-9-foot-great-white-australia-video/)
http://www.examiner.com/article/great-white-devoured-by-mystery-super-predator-elusive-creature-swallows-shark (http://www.examiner.com/article/great-white-devoured-by-mystery-super-predator-elusive-creature-swallows-shark)
The shark, referred to as Shark Alpha, plunged to a depth of 1,900 feet down a continental shelf at 4 a.m. on Christmas Eve. Right before the depth change there was a temperature rise that occurred suddenly. The temperature in the shark's surroundings was at 46 degrees then jumped up to 78 degrees in a matter of seconds.
Scientists believe that the only way the temperature change that drastic could happen is if the shark was in the belly of another animal. The predator would have to be big enough to swallow a shark of that size, which means there was a super-predator out there in the ocean unseen as of yet.
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Holy shit
Very interesting to see what this "Super Predator" is.
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Once again, all they know is that the TAG was eaten...whether or not the ENTIRE SHARK was swallowed is completely unknown, and just serves as pointless speculation for making headlines
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word on the street is that shitsoul tried to top himself, jumped off a cliff and landed on the poor shark obliterating it instantly.
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Once again, all they know is that the TAG was eaten...whether or not the ENTIRE SHARK was swallowed is completely unknown, and just serves as pointless speculation for making headlines
This. The orca could had just bite a chunk of the shark.
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Once again, all they know is that the TAG was eaten...whether or not the ENTIRE SHARK was swallowed is completely unknown, and just serves as pointless speculation for making headlines
^ Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
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Once again, all they know is that the TAG was eaten...whether or not the ENTIRE SHARK was swallowed is completely unknown, and just serves as pointless speculation for making headlines
Well...
Eleven years ago a healthy female great white shark was tagged and then monitored after it was returned to the waters of Australian's Southern Ocean. The shark was part of a research project studying species movements throughout the ocean.
The scientists monitored information coming from the shark, using both the internal and external data transmitted back from the technology fitted to the shark's tag. Besides monitoring the shark's health it also covered its surroundings, such as the water temp and the depth of the ocean it was in at any given time.
The mystery begins four months after the shark was tagged. The shark's monitoring tags washed up on a beach, only two and a half miles from where it was originally tagged and let go in the ocean. Scientists analyzed the data coming from the shark in the days before it died, which is how they came to the conclusion that the shark was devoured by a super-predator.
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Similar size shark is Greenland 1, can grow over 6m/20ft & also live in deep waters.
Not much is known about this big fish.
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Similar size shark is Greenland 1, can grow over 6m/20ft & also live in deep waters.
Not much is known about this big fish.
Except the Greenland Shark is pretty sluggish, and doesn't eat the type of prey that the Great White does. It's not built for "run and gun". Take a look at the deeply forked caudal fin of the Great White and other Lamnidae. All are built for active pursuit.
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Except the Greenland Shark is pretty sluggish, and doesn't eat the type of prey that the Great White does. It's not built for "run and gun". Take a look at the deeply forked caudal fin of the Great White and other Lamnidae. All are built for active pursuit.
Yeah, I googed it and it said their top recorded speed is less than 2pmh.
Nothing could pull a great white down that far that fast. Chunk was bitten off the shark like the lads said
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There are some huge monsters tall like skyscrapers in the deep ocean you guys would shit your pants if you knew of the monsters that lay await in the deep end.
True. We'd better start funding the Jaegar program and get those robots operational before we get overrun.
Go big or go extinct
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This. The orca could had just bite a chunk of the shark.
Would an orca dive 1900 feet?
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What creature could bite a "chunk" or the tag of a Great White Shark?? (I thought the great white was the apex of all underwater predators)
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What creature could bite a "chunk" or the tag of a Great White Shark?? (I thought the great white was the apex of all underwater predators)
No. Sperm whale, orca, then great white. Why couldn't a bigger great white bite that chunk?
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No. Sperm whale, orca,then great white. Why couldn't a bigger great white bite that chunk?
I don't know (def no expert in marine life) I would love Megalodon to still exist tho/the world is far too boring
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I don't know (def no expert in marine life) I would love Megalodon to still exist tho/the world is far too boring
No Megas, Mike. Sorry. No Sasquatch or Loch Ness either.
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No Megas, Mike. Sorry. No Sasquatch or Loch Ness either.
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No Megas, Mike. Sorry. No Sasquatch or Loch Ness either.
FUCK THAT SHIT, Loch Ness is real
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FUCK THAT SHIT, Loch Ness is real
Sasquatch too >:(
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Existence of Thylacine ( Tasmanian tiger) is still very controversial subject in Australia :)
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FUCK THAT SHIT, Loch Ness is real
Yeah...if it ain't scottish...its crap.
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That Megalodon sounds cool as fuck
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No Megas, Mike. Sorry. No Sasquatch or Loch Ness either.
Sasquatch is Real! He used to post here on Getbig dressed in a bunnysuit a while ago!
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Sasquatch is Real! He used to post here on Getbig dressed in a bunnysuit a while ago!
Hahahahaha! True
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Sasquatch too >:(
nope, just LN ;)
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nope, just LN ;)
Eh.
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Vampires, ufos, demons, shape shifters all that shit is real but I think its better if you guys just sit there in your ignorance cause your minds could not handle the truth you would end up in the nut house.
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Eh.
I am convinced the creature is real in Loch Ness, i am not an expert and I know 99% of the sighting are frauds and Bull Shit but man there is some really convincing info regarding the Creature and its also sighted in other parts of the world as well, like south China Sea and even off the Coast of Canada.
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I am convinced the creature is real in Loch Ness, i am not an expert and I know 99% of the sighting are frauds and Bull Shit but man there is some really convincing info regarding the Creature and its also sighted in other parts of the world as well, like south China Sea and even off the Coast of Canada.
Loch Ness is sturgeon. In order for Loch Ness to be a plesiosaur, there would have to be a population of them. Plesiosaurs are air breathers, and chances are would be slightly "warm blooded" due to adaptation to that water. Also, the lake is 3 miles long and 1 mile wide. Plesiosaurs would probably need to come onto the beach or land to breed and hatch, unless they are viviparous---bearing live young. So, that means that they would disturb the local flora and you could see their flipper marks in the dirt.
Now, unless there are under water caverns/caves which have areas that are above water, I can't see anything to the Loch Ness story other than the huge sturgeon that they have.
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Loch Ness is sturgeon. In order for Loch Ness to be a plesiosaur, there would have to be a population of them. Plesiosaurs are air breathers, and chances are would be slightly "warm blooded" due to adaptation to that water. Also, the lake is 3 miles long and 1 mile wide. Plesiosaurs would probably need to come onto the beach or land to breed and hatch, unless they are viviparous---bearing live young. So, that means that they would disturb the local flora and you could see their flipper marks in the dirt.
Now, unless there are under water caverns/caves which have areas that are above water, I can't see anything to the Loch Ness story other than the huge sturgeon that they have.
Interesting, Parker. By sturgeon, you mean that giant shark-like, freshwater fish we see in River Monsters and whatnot? Or is this a species that has some kinda dinosaur-type offshoot I don't know about? Because the videos, drawings, and recollections of LN always show flippers, which aren't consistent with a fish species.
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Interesting, Parker. By sturgeon, you mean that giant shark-like, freshwater fish we see in River Monsters and whatnot? Or is this a species that has some kinda dinosaur-type offshoot I don't know about? Because the videos, drawings, and recollections of LN always show flippers, which aren't consistent with a fish species.
Yes, sturgeon the giant fish. They have been caught in Loch Ness. One guy thought he shot Loch Ness, but it was a sturgeon. There is an old grainy photo of what people believed to be a flipper belonging to Loch Ness Monster, but you can clearly see that it is sturgeon's flipper.
Loch Ness would have to support a breeding population of Plesiosaurs, and such breeding population would have been seen by now, or signs of one. Especially since it is a lake. You cannot miss signs of them coming on land. Markings, dragging of the body and tail and flipper marks. As this is an aquatic dinosaur, it would be awkward on land. Brush and branches would be destroyed, bent and broken.
There is supposedly an underwater conduit of some sort from the sea, so who knows.
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Loch Ness is sturgeon. In order for Loch Ness to be a plesiosaur, there would have to be a population of them. Plesiosaurs are air breathers, and chances are would be slightly "warm blooded" due to adaptation to that water. Also, the lake is 3 miles long and 1 mile wide. Plesiosaurs would probably need to come onto the beach or land to breed and hatch, unless they are viviparous---bearing live young. So, that means that they would disturb the local flora and you could see their flipper marks in the dirt.
Now, unless there are under water caverns/caves which have areas that are above water, I can't see anything to the Loch Ness story other than the huge sturgeon that they have.
The creature is described as a plesiosaur because of it having flipper and a neck but it does not necessarily have to be the same creature we come to know as a plesiosaur. There is one picture that is 100% authentic of a creature of this description that washed up to shore, you can clearly see it has a long neck. Although this was somewhere else, it is easily the same creature being described in Lock Ness
The picture is real 100% and accepted by even the biggest skeptics, a creature with a long neck, humongous head and terrifying in appearance,
As for the lake, being 3km long according you made me spit out my drink, lmao, the lake is 36 km long, everyone knows this
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Also, the lake is 3 miles long and 1 mile wide.
It's not a Lake, it's a Loch laddie. >:(
23miles long, 750 feet deep. It hold more water than all the pansy wee Lakes in England combined.
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The creature is described as a plesiosaur because of it having flipper and a neck but it does not necessarily have to be the same creature we come to know as a plesiosaur. There is one picture that is 100% authentic of a creature of this description that washed up to shore, you can clearly see it has a long neck. Although this was somewhere else, it is easily the same creature being described in Lock Ness
The picture is real 100% and accepted by even the biggest skeptics, a creature with a long neck, humongous head and terrifying in appearance,
As for the lake, being 3km long according you made me spit out my drink, lmao, the lake is 36 km long, everyone knows this
my bad about the length and width.
What pic that washed up? And has it been tested for DNA?
The lake is cold, so therefore if it is a pleasiosaur, it would have to have some type of homeothermy.
All things point to Sturgeon, nothing points to Plesiosaurs. You would have to have a sustainable breeding population, and said population would more than likely have to come on shore to breed. Also, noises, chances are they would have different calls to mates, young, since they are air breathers, they would make sounds. Again, disturbance of brush. A population of large animals would make sound and damage to the local flora.
Use common sense. Think about it.
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Yes, sturgeon the giant fish. They have been caught in Loch Ness. One guy thought he shot Loch Ness, but it was a sturgeon. There is an old grainy photo of what people believed to be a flipper belonging to Loch Ness Monster, but you can clearly see that it is sturgeon's flipper.
Loch Ness would have to support a breeding population of Plesiosaurs, and such breeding population would have been seen by now, or signs of one. Especially since it is a lake. You cannot miss signs of them coming on land. Markings, dragging of the body and tail and flipper marks. As this is an aquatic dinosaur, it would be awkward on land. Brush and branches would be destroyed, bent and broken.
There is supposedly an underwater conduit of some sort from the sea, so who knows.
What would something like this feed on? Pretty impressed by your knowledge here; you've obviously looked into it a bit.
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What would something like this feed on?
Fish more than likely. There are different types of plesiosaurs. Long neck, short neck, etc. most were all fish eaters. Then you had some that ate mollusks, special type of teeth.
So, there is the question again. Does a 22 mile lake have enough fish and mollusks to sustain a population of plesiosaurs for yrs? Thousands of years? And without a noticeable drop in food supply? And feeding the local human population without being noticed as well? And feeding other fish predators as well?
So, you have a population of large predators that breed, and feed off of the local fish stock, nobody has captured it on film alive or dead, no eggs or young, nobody has heard any odd calls that it makes, nor recording any, found any tracks or drag marks, seen a nest. Nobody has any tissue samples.
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Fish more than likely. There are different types of plesiosaurs. Long neck, short neck, etc. most were all fish eaters. Then you had some that ate mollusks, special type of teeth.
So, there is the question again. Does a 22 mile lake have enough fish and mollusks to sustain a population of plesiosaurs for yrs? Thousands of years? And without a noticeable drop in food supply? And feeding the local human population without being noticed as well?
Your thoughts on Megalodon's existence?
I know they're still discovering new animals every now and again, but something this size?
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What would something like this feed on? Pretty impressed by your knowledge here; you've obviously looked into it a bit.
its not so much as looked into it. You have use observation. I used to read about it when I was young.
But the. You have to realize---the animals are large, so you have to think "how much do they eat, and what do they eat?" And "can this food source sustain a living population?"
Then all the other questions.
I just looked up the wiki page...come to find out, plesiosaurs and Ichthyosaurs were found in England, and many of their fossils are found there. They also actually don't know how plesiosaurs fed.and there is a theory that they could feed on things at the bottom---benthos, crabs, shrimp, flounder fish, lobsters, clams etc.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plesiosauria (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plesiosauria)
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Your thoughts on Megalodon's existence?
I know they're still discovering new animals every now and again, but something this size?
Don't know. Again, what would a giant 60+ foot shark feed on? And why would it stay "hidden"?
Feeding on Giant Squid puts it in direct competition with Sperm Whales, and how many sperm whales have been found with huge chunks taken out it...and still are living or were not fed on?
There is always the possibility, especially with our seas warming up. Would be interesting.
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So, there is the question again. Does a 22 mile lake have enough fish and mollusks to sustain a population of plesiosaurs for yrs? Thousands of years? And without a noticeable drop in food supply? And feeding the local human population without being noticed as well? And feeding other fish predators as well?
there is a famous paper published as a tongue and cheek article (Ryder was the author)in one of the zoology journals that we read when I was in 4th year university (I have a bio degree) and it looked at exactly that:
does loch ness have enough of a food supply to allow a large enough population of plesiosaurs to live?
the answer was no. loch ness is oligotrophic and not very productive.
not enough food in it to sustain a breeding population of predators that large.
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there is a famous paper published as a tongue and cheek article (Ryder was the author)in one of the zoology journals that we read when I was in 4th year university (I have a bio degree) and it looked at exactly that:
does loch ness have enough of a food supply to allow a large enough population of plesiosaurs to live?
the answer was no. loch ness is oligotrophic and not very productive.
not enough food in it to sustain a breeding population of predators that large.
Kinda figured that.
Upon looking at the wiki page, the chances of a plesiosaur coming onto land were slim to none, as it seems that they were strictly aquatic and probably would beach themselves if they came on land. And more than likely gave birth to live young (viviparous).
Too many things point to it not being a plesiosaur.
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Bro, if Lock ness was full of baseball stadiums, you can fit the entire human population of 7 billion and way more, having a breading population is not a problem whatsoever for elusive creatures.
We are talking cubic dimension here not square area, huge difference in capacity.
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Bro, if Lock ness was full of baseball stadiums, you can fit the entire human population of 7 billion and way more, having a breading population is not a problem whatsoever for elusive creatures.
We are talking cubic dimension here not square area, huge difference in capacity.
space isn't the problem.
food supply is. loch ness is like a dessert.
there isn't much in it but cold deep water. a few fish and eels yes, but thats it.
creatures this big need a buffet of food to keep going.
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Bro, if Lock ness was full of baseball stadiums, you can fit the entire human population of 7 billion and way more, having a breading population is not a problem whatsoever for elusive creatures.
We are talking cubic dimension here not square area, huge difference in capacity.
Doesnt matter. Even if you ask marine biologist and zoologists about that. You need to think about this.
Predatory animals, large ones at that. How long do they live? What type of species fish are in the lake? Temp of the lake, how often do the species of fish breed? And what do they feed on? Then you have to ask about a breeding population. Are they inbreed? How did they get there? Are they warm blooded (chances are yes they are).
Just because you put 7 billion people in there, that lake couldn't support 1 million people in terms of fish stock. I would even say a far less amount of people would severely put a dent in fish stock...depending on what type of fish they have in there. As was stated, Loch Ness is Oligotrophic and is not that productive.
Now, let's take a look. A predatory animal that is at the least 20 feet long, and at the most 50 feet long and several tons in weight is going need a lot of food to sustain it. Now, how about a breeding population?
So, if that lake is not really productive, then let's say that they feed off of the benthos, that means that there has to be a lot of bottom dwelling animals down there, which is doubtful, as again, the lake is not that productive.
Everything has pointed to Sturgeon...photos flippers, etc. No real evidence of a plesiosaur. Would I like it to a population of plesiosaur? Hell Yes! But, it ain't practical.
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Doesnt matter. Even if you ask marine biologist and zoologists about that. You need to think about this.
Predatory animals, large ones at that. How long do they live? What type of species fish are in the lake? Temp of the lake, how often do the species of fish breed? And what do they feed on? Then you have to ask about a breeding population. Are they inbreed? How did they get there? Are they warm blooded (chances are yes they are).
Just because you put 7 billion people in there, that lake couldn't support 1 million people in terms of fish stock. I would even say a far less amount of people would severely put a dent in fish stock...depending on what type of fish they have in there. As was stated, Loch Ness is Oligotrophic and is not that productive.
Now, let's take a look. A predatory animal that is at the least 20 feet long, and at the most 50 feet long and several tons in weight is going need a lot of food to sustain it. Now, how about a breeding population?
So, if that lake is not really productive, then let's say that they feed off of the benthos, that means that there has to be a lot of bottom dwelling animals down there, which is doubtful, as again, the lake is not that productive.
Everything has pointed to Sturgeon...photos flippers, etc. No real evidence of a plesiosaur. Would I like it to a population of plesiosaur? Hell Yes! But, it ain't practical.
you totally missed my point,... and that was that the dimensions are fucken enormous, just massive and we have seen nearly extinct animals survive on just 100 in count so the population does not have to be enormous, also you keep saying we know patterns of this and that, sorry but you know nothing of such sort when you don't even know what type of creature you are dealing with. Good debating on your behalf though ;)
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you totally missed my point,... and that was that the dimensions are fucken enormous, just massive and we have seen nearly extinct animals survive on just 100 in count so the population does not have to be enormous, also you keep saying we know patterns of this and that, sorry but you know nothing of such sort when you don't even know what type of creature you are dealing with. Good debating on your behalf though ;)
And you are missing my point, and Hulk's point.
This is an enclosed area, not the open sea. We are talking about a reptile and a very large one at that. We don't know how long they lived, reproduction, mating habits. It's speculated that they lived in complex social pods.
But, the fact is, that these are predatory animals that need fuel, and Loch Ness is lacking in that.
Just like large land predators need large amounts of food to sustain them---which means that that feed on large prey. If they have adapted to that, if large prey dies out, or prey becomes scarce, the predator dies out or has to move.
Regardless of size, you need prey species to sustain a predatory species, and not just individual, but multiple. Over a long time period.
It's like going to the grocery store. The store could be large, but have a small selection of meat for the population it serves. What happens? Well, that meat section runs out of meat quicker than they can replenish it. And that is what I am getting at.
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I posted this on the shark week thread but it went unnoticed. :(
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fack
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Think this was the pic Brody came across in Jaws. Proportions based on a few fossilized teeth, probably a bit exaggerated.
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http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/its-official-a-massive-shark-probably-ate-the-missing-great-white/
It’s Official: A Massive Shark (Probably) Ate The Missing Great White
Four months after filmmaker Dave Riggs and a research team tagged a 9-foot (3-meter) female great white shark off Australia’s coast, the animal vanished. The tracking tag turned up— it recorded the animal’s position, depth in the water, and the ambient water temperature as if nothing had happened. Riggs found it two and a half miles from where the large female was first tagged, but without the shark attached. What happened to her? According to a recent documentary that premiered on the Smithsonian Channel last week, she was eaten.
The female great white disappeared in 2003, and in the intervening 11 years researchers have been speculating as to what could have eaten such a large ocean predator. The smoking gun evidence of predation was a peculiar temperature change that the tag recorded all those years ago. Data from the large female initially looked normal, with the shark descending and the tag recording the surrounding water temperature. Then, at around 2,000 feet (610 meters) below the surface, the recorded temperature increased dramatically from 46°F to 78°F (7°C to 25°C). A temperature at that depth could only come from the tag being inside another animal, an animal big enough to kill and eat a 9-foot great white shark.
In the Smithsonian documentary that aired on June 25th, Riggs and a team of researchers concluded that it was probably another great white that devoured their tagged female. “The internal temperature of the animal that ate the shark is a weird one. It appears to be too low for a killer whale and too high for another shark, unless it was massive,” Riggs explained. If it was another great white, Riggs speculates, it would have to be huge.
To be clear, the researchers don’t know for sure what caused the huge temperature shift their tag recorded, and an unusually massive great white is only one possible answer, not necessarily the correct one. Some researchers think it is more likely that an orca—orcas are known to kill and eat great whites—ingested chilled seawater along with the tag to produce the data that astounded Riggs. Additionally, cannibalism is common among great whites, but that predation most often occurs before birth in a shark-eat-shark womb war zone. Even so, as the majority of great white sharks recorded have been much larger than the disappeared female, the simplest answer could be a great white attack. The mystery of the vanished great white is still informed speculation at this point.
“The big shark scenario is the theory that is most widely accepted although I’ve noticed a lot of other creatures being suggested online–I don’t think that Godzilla is a possibility though!”
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http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/its-official-a-massive-shark-probably-ate-the-missing-great-white/
It’s Official: A Massive Shark (Probably) Ate The Missing Great White
Four months after filmmaker Dave Riggs and a research team tagged a 9-foot (3-meter) female great white shark off Australia’s coast, the animal vanished. The tracking tag turned up— it recorded the animal’s position, depth in the water, and the ambient water temperature as if nothing had happened. Riggs found it two and a half miles from where the large female was first tagged, but without the shark attached. What happened to her? According to a recent documentary that premiered on the Smithsonian Channel last week, she was eaten.
The female great white disappeared in 2003, and in the intervening 11 years researchers have been speculating as to what could have eaten such a large ocean predator. The smoking gun evidence of predation was a peculiar temperature change that the tag recorded all those years ago. Data from the large female initially looked normal, with the shark descending and the tag recording the surrounding water temperature. Then, at around 2,000 feet (610 meters) below the surface, the recorded temperature increased dramatically from 46°F to 78°F (7°C to 25°C). A temperature at that depth could only come from the tag being inside another animal, an animal big enough to kill and eat a 9-foot great white shark.
In the Smithsonian documentary that aired on June 25th, Riggs and a team of researchers concluded that it was probably another great white that devoured their tagged female. “The internal temperature of the animal that ate the shark is a weird one. It appears to be too low for a killer whale and too high for another shark, unless it was massive,” Riggs explained. If it was another great white, Riggs speculates, it would have to be huge.
To be clear, the researchers don’t know for sure what caused the huge temperature shift their tag recorded, and an unusually massive great white is only one possible answer, not necessarily the correct one. Some researchers think it is more likely that an orca—orcas are known to kill and eat great whites—ingested chilled seawater along with the tag to produce the data that astounded Riggs. Additionally, cannibalism is common among great whites, but that predation most often occurs before birth in a shark-eat-shark womb war zone. Even so, as the majority of great white sharks recorded have been much larger than the disappeared female, the simplest answer could be a great white attack. The mystery of the vanished great white is still informed speculation at this point.
“The big shark scenario is the theory that is most widely accepted although I’ve noticed a lot of other creatures being suggested online–I don’t think that Godzilla is a possibility though!”
Eh.
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so if they tag a shark, the tag is the size of the entire shark right? i mean it is not a little tag the size of something that fits in your hand right? I mean how else would they come to the conclusion that the shark had to be eaten? ::)
Bunch of fucken idiots
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http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/its-official-a-massive-shark-probably-ate-the-missing-great-white/
It’s Official: A Massive Shark (Probably) Ate The Missing Great White
Four months after filmmaker Dave Riggs and a research team tagged a 9-foot (3-meter) female great white shark off Australia’s coast, the animal vanished. The tracking tag turned up— it recorded the animal’s position, depth in the water, and the ambient water temperature as if nothing had happened. Riggs found it two and a half miles from where the large female was first tagged, but without the shark attached. What happened to her? According to a recent documentary that premiered on the Smithsonian Channel last week, she was eaten.
The female great white disappeared in 2003, and in the intervening 11 years researchers have been speculating as to what could have eaten such a large ocean predator. The smoking gun evidence of predation was a peculiar temperature change that the tag recorded all those years ago. Data from the large female initially looked normal, with the shark descending and the tag recording the surrounding water temperature. Then, at around 2,000 feet (610 meters) below the surface, the recorded temperature increased dramatically from 46°F to 78°F (7°C to 25°C). A temperature at that depth could only come from the tag being inside another animal, an animal big enough to kill and eat a 9-foot great white shark.
In the Smithsonian documentary that aired on June 25th, Riggs and a team of researchers concluded that it was probably another great white that devoured their tagged female. “The internal temperature of the animal that ate the shark is a weird one. It appears to be too low for a killer whale and too high for another shark, unless it was massive,” Riggs explained. If it was another great white, Riggs speculates, it would have to be huge.
To be clear, the researchers don’t know for sure what caused the huge temperature shift their tag recorded, and an unusually massive great white is only one possible answer, not necessarily the correct one. Some researchers think it is more likely that an orca—orcas are known to kill and eat great whites—ingested chilled seawater along with the tag to produce the data that astounded Riggs. Additionally, cannibalism is common among great whites, but that predation most often occurs before birth in a shark-eat-shark womb war zone. Even so, as the majority of great white sharks recorded have been much larger than the disappeared female, the simplest answer could be a great white attack. The mystery of the vanished great white is still informed speculation at this point.
“The big shark scenario is the theory that is most widely accepted although I’ve noticed a lot of other creatures being suggested online–I don’t think that Godzilla is a possibility though!”
Misleading title.. I read the whole thing. Just rehash of previous information and speculation again.
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last year i was in matawan creek near the jersey shore to see where the 1916 shark attacks happened, they say a 10ft great white came up a tidal creek n killed a 12 yr old boy (lester stillwell)as well as a adult named (stanley fisher). for those of u like myself who are shark fanatics i recommend u read up on that story about the 1916 attacks on the jersey shore, its a very interesting story to say the least. theres a book out called (12 DAYS OF TERROR) its all about the attacks
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last year i was in matawan creek near the jersey shore to see where the 1916 shark attacks happened, they say a 10ft great white came up a tidal creek n killed a 12 yr old boy (lester stillwell)as well as a adult named (stanley fisher). for those of u like myself who are shark fanatics i recommend u read up on that story about the 1916 attacks on the jersey shore, its a very interesting story to say the least. theres a book out called (12 DAYS OF TERROR) its all about the attacks
great white or Bull Shark? Bull sharks are known for going up stream as they are adapted for both salt water and fresh/brackish water.
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great white or Bull Shark? Bull sharks are known for going up stream as they are adapted for both salt water and fresh/brackish water.
parker u asked an interesting question thats been puzzling scientists for the last 100yrs, no one knows for sure. alot of people argue that a great white cant go into fresh water so it had to b a bull shark, but 100yrs ago that creek was alot wider n they said the saline levels where much higher,it was also high tide n a full moon which meant the water in creek was really salty, they caught a great white shark near the creak 3 days later with 15 lbs of human flesh in its stomach n human bone fragments in its stomach also. this summer when SHARK WEEK comes on check it out they will talk about it, im sure u will enjoy it,its really interesting
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parker u asked an interesting question thats been puzzling scientists for the last 100yrs, no one knows for sure. alot of people argue that a great white cant go into fresh water so it had to b a bull shark, but 100yrs ago that creek was alot wider n they said the saline levels where much higher,it was also high tide n a full moon which meant the water in creek was really salty, they caught a great white shark near the creak 3 days later with 15 lbs of human flesh in its stomach n human bone fragments in its stomach also. this summer when SHARK WEEK comes on check it out they will talk about it, im sure u will enjoy it,its really interesting
Thanks. Didn't know that info. I will check it out.
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last year i was in matawan creek near the jersey shore to see where the 1916 shark attacks happened, they say a 10ft great white came up a tidal creek n killed a 12 yr old boy (lester stillwell)as well as a adult named (stanley fisher). for those of u like myself who are shark fanatics i recommend u read up on that story about the 1916 attacks on the jersey shore, its a very interesting story to say the least. theres a book out called (12 DAYS OF TERROR) its all about the attacks
This was Benchley's inspiration for Jaws, I've heard. I thought they had decided on bulls, though, but from your subsequent post, I see it's still being debated. Just don't see a 10-foot juvenile white capable of such carnage. A bull (or bulls, more likely), absolutely.
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This was Benchley's inspiration for Jaws, I've heard. I thought they had decided on bulls, though, but from your subsequent post, I see it's still being debated. Just don't see a 10-foot juvenile white capable of such carnage. A bull (or bulls, more likely), absolutely.
it was so cool being at the actuall spot hese attacks took place, I had pictures of the creek at time of attacks in 1916 n the creek n its surroundings haven't changed much,the only difference was the wykoff dock was pretty much gone except for some pilings that where rotted out. I stood there n in my mind I tried to imagine what it mustve been like when everything was going on, im picturing all the townspeople down by the creek with dynamite n spears screaming n the seeing Stanley fisher,the man who was trying to recover the body of the first shark attack victim at creek lester Stillwell, they say Stanley was diving in creek looking for boys remains when a huge shark came and grabbed fisher n spun him around like a rag doll n tore a huge chunk outta his thigh, fisher died on way to hospital from blood loss. then the shark went upstream to make its way back to the river n bit off another kids calf named joseph dunn,he survived tho
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The tables get turned...
Goliath grouper swallows shark in one gulp, fishermen nearly crap themselves
http://guyism.com/sports/goliath-grouper-swallows-shark.html
Here we see several a$$hole fishermen playing with their catch, and end up getting a juvenile shark killed. All in all, this video was pretty awesome.
Would the shark have lived they just pulled it out of the water, unhooked it, and set it free? Probably. But that’s not what happened…what happened is they let it swim in circles, only to have life extinguished in one massive gulp from the largest of all groupers: the Goliath Grouper. The action heats up around the :30 mark
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Only 2 days ago cops shot ( >:() the 4.5 m (14.7 ft) crock, after it killed a man fishing on Adelaide river (Northern Territory/AU).
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Hahahaha - A+
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Eh.
I'm the room.
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parker u asked an interesting question thats been puzzling scientists for the last 100yrs, no one knows for sure. alot of people argue that a great white cant go into fresh water so it had to b a bull shark, but 100yrs ago that creek was alot wider n they said the saline levels where much higher,it was also high tide n a full moon which meant the water in creek was really salty, they caught a great white shark near the creak 3 days later with 15 lbs of human flesh in its stomach n human bone fragments in its stomach also. this summer when SHARK WEEK comes on check it out they will talk about it, im sure u will enjoy it,its really interesting
It is possible all 5 attacks were not done by the same shark; the 3 creek attacks almost certainly were the same shark, and it was most likely a bull shark...but the juvenile white they caught later at sea with the human stuff inside could have been the shark that killed the 2 swimmers at sea in the days before, and not the shark in matawan creek
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im really into the whole shark thing, just watched shark week n loved it. i believe in the megalodan, them things are alive n well in the depths of the ocean
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I'm the room.
Fantastic.
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It is possible all 5 attacks were not done by the same shark; the 3 creek attacks almost certainly were the same shark, and it was most likely a bull shark...but the juvenile white they caught later at sea with the human stuff inside could have been the shark that killed the 2 swimmers at sea in the days before, and not the shark in matawan creek
i hear u but what r the odds that the shark that killed charles bruder and charles vansant in spring lake and beach haven would just happen to b by the tip of matawan creek in the bay? i guess anythings possible tho
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The fact that this article mentions megalodon makes the source suspect. There's a simple explanation here that's been overlooked or ignored.
So you're saying an orca swallowed a 9 foot great white whole?
Orca's have bitten great whites and severely messed them up but eating the whole thing in one bite....? No...
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So you're saying an orca swallowed a 9 foot great white whole?
Orca's have bitten great whites and severely messed them up but eating the whole thing in one bite....? No...
No, not saying that, was that what happened here, eaten whole? Read the comments is all.
So you're saying megalodon?
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Megalodon /thread 8)
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No, not saying that, was that what happened here, eaten whole? Read the comments is all.
So you're saying megalodon?
Nope, just saying definitely not orca.
Unless there is some 20'+ orca out there that can swallow a great white whole then drop 2000 feet deep , which isn't likely. Orca's do not get that big.
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Nope, just saying definitely not orca.
Unless there is some 20'+ orca out there that can swallow a great white whole then drop 2000 feet deep , which isn't likely. Orca's do not get that big.
Orcas grow over 30 feet, bro. Not saying one could swallow a white whole, but it certainly wasn't an extinct dinosaur. What does that leave us?
I'm guessing the whole story is bullshit, or their "facts" simply aren't accurate.
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Orcas grow over 30 feet, bro. Not saying one could swallow a white whole, but it certainly wasn't an extinct dinosaur. What does that leave us?
I'm guessing the whole story is bullshit, or their "facts" simply aren't accurate.
So... It was absolutely a 30 foot orca what else could it have been ? Beluga?
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Orcas grow over 30 feet, bro. Not saying one could swallow a white whole, but it certainly wasn't an extinct dinosaur. What does that leave us?
I'm guessing the whole story is bullshit, or their "facts" simply aren't accurate.
U must visit South Aussie to see mega size fish, Eden in New South Wales is good place to observe Orcas attack on
returning whales from warm/northern waters or diving with whale-sharks in Western Aussie ;)