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It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« on: June 17, 2009, 04:46:29 PM »
June 16, 2009 |

Let's start with foreign policy. Within the framework of U.S. geopolitical primacy shared by both parties, Barack Obama has departed significantly from the foreign policy of George W. Bush in both substance and style. With respect to substance, he is fulfilling his campaign promise to draw down U.S. involvement in Iraq cautiously while increasing resources for the fight against bin Laden's jihadists and their Taliban supporters, who, unlike Saddam Hussein, planned or suborned the 9/11 attacks.

McCain, by contrast, not only supported Bush's unnecessary and unjustified Iraq war, but has consistently been more hawkish than Bush, as difficult as that may be to imagine. Remember, during the 2000 Republican presidential primary McCain, not Bush, was the initial favorite of the neoconservatives, who proudly called themselves "McCainiacs." During the second Bush term of 2005-09, Republican realists like Defense Secretary Robert Gates (whom Obama wisely has retained) replaced neocons and neocon-friendly hawks allied with Dick Cheney such as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith. If McCain had been elected, it seems likely that this would have been reversed. Neocons like Elliott Abrams, instead of dwelling in exile at the Council on Foreign Relations, might well be back making foreign policy in the executive branch.

The difference in foreign policy style would have been even more striking. America produces two kinds of soldiers -- flamboyant, aggressive warriors like MacArthur and Patton, and quiet, prudent military statesmen like Washington, Marshall and Eisenhower. McCain, the former Navy pilot and son and grandson of U.S. Navy admirals, belongs to the former mold. His patriotic and pro-military oratory is both sincere and moving to Americans -- it has often moved me -- but proclamations about the virtue of America's cause and America's invincible might that go over well in pancake dinners on the campaign trail tend to alarm people in other countries. Whatever his other lasting achievements may be, Barack Obama in only a few months has already proven to the world that all Americans are not vainglorious, swaggering, self-righteous provincials who prefer to lead by intimidation rather than by inspiration and negotiation.

Nowhere is the difference between the Obama administration and a counterfactual McCain administration greater than in Middle Eastern policy. Despite domestic political limitations, President Obama, by taking a hard line on the expansion of illegal Israeli colonies ("settlements") in Palestine, has stood up to the Israeli right and its American allies more than any president since George Herbert Walker Bush in the aftermath of the Gulf War. If McCain were president, Israel's far-right Prime Minister Netanyahu would have a close friend in the White House and the executive branch almost certainly would be staffed in part with officials with longtime ties to the Israeli right wing, as it was under George W. Bush.

 In foreign policy a McCain administration would have been a third Bush term -- or even worse than Bush III, if McCain had brought neocons back to replace the realists of Bush's second term. In domestic policy, a McCain administration probably would also have been a third Bush term.

McCain opposed Bush's tax cuts at the time of their passage. However, by the time he won the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, he had not only drunk the Bush Kool-Aid but mixed some more. During the campaign he proposed making Bush's tax cuts permanent and slashing an additional $300 billion.

To be sure, presidents do not always govern on the basis of their campaign promises (contrast Obama's campaign rhetoric with his present waffling on military tribunals and Chinese currency manipulation). McCain's evident lack of interest in economics, compared to military and foreign issues, helped to sink his campaign after the world economy crashed in 2008. It is impossible to be sure how he would have responded to the crisis, had he been elected. But we can make educated guesses about the possibilities.

For one thing, a division certainly would have emerged between Republicans with ties to Wall Street and populist conservatives, particularly if McCain had retained Hank Paulson as secretary of the Treasury. Just as under Obama, under McCain congressional Republicans probably would have opposed bailouts for zombie banks and other too-big-to-fail institutions. The Wall Street wing of each party tends to defeat the populist wing, except during presidential primaries every four years -- and then only in rhetoric. So it seems likely that President McCain, perhaps reluctantly, would have consented to a continuation of the Paulson policy of bailing out the financial sector to avoid nationalization. In other words, the McCain-Paulson bailout policy would probably have been very similar to the Obama-Summers-Geithner bailout policy.


http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/06/16/president_mccain/index.html

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 05:54:47 PM »
Common man, Salon.com?
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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 06:30:46 PM »
the point is that mccain would have done most of the same thing obama did.

mccain backed the bailout, even when most repubs were dead set against it.

he would have had his own stim bill.  No way he would let banks collapse on his watch a week after he took office and let us live thru another Great depression.

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 06:34:48 PM »
Probably thats why I voted 3rd party
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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 06:36:44 PM »
Probably thats why I voted 3rd party

good man right there

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 07:37:43 PM »
I didn't read it but I'm guessing it says we're at war with Russia and Iran.

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 08:26:37 PM »
Probably thats why I voted 3rd party
good man right there
what would a 3rd party candidate have done different?

240 you have made it perfectly clear you feel the bail outs were the right thing to do, what would be different if bahr was pres?

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 06:33:02 AM »
I doubt McCain would have dictated what CEOs can make,wouldnt have fired a CEO,wouldnt have given that shitty deal to GM to protect the UAW,wouldnt be propsing to cap salaries,wouldnt be interested in a VAT tax,wouldnt be trying to destroy the health care system.Obama has done things that are so damaging to the country its a joke,with more on the way.Wait untill he tries to dictate what we can eat,how much we can eat,what supplements we can take etc etc.

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 06:42:51 AM »
I didn't read it but I'm guessing it says we're at war with Russia and Iran.
EXACTLY lol

We'd be back to a 1950's Cold War mentality in our hostility towards Russia. I don't think McCain realizes this is the 21st century. And the belligerence towards Iran would not be helpful. Just embolden Bibi to consider air strikes and make Iran less likely to want to engage in any diplomacy.
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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 02:24:34 PM »
what would a 3rd party candidate have done different?

240 you have made it perfectly clear you feel the bail outs were the right thing to do, what would be different if bahr was pres?
bump for a response 240 what would be different if bahr was president?

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 04:52:13 PM »
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bump for a response 240 what would be different if bahr was president?
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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2009, 04:55:18 PM »
bump for a response 240 what would be different if bahr was president?

we probably would have gotten out of both wars quickly.  bahr would have been against intervening.  maybe he would have, maybe not.  Don't know until he was in the drivers seat with the prospect of collapse on the table.

Cutting back on massive military spending would have made fixing the banks much easier, no?

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Re: It is summer 2009, and John McCain is president
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2009, 05:34:18 PM »
we probably would have gotten out of both wars quickly.  bahr would have been against intervening.  maybe he would have, maybe not.  Don't know until he was in the drivers seat with the prospect of collapse on the table.

Cutting back on massive military spending would have made fixing the banks much easier, no?
as far as the economy he would have done the exact same then?