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LOL, unbiased media my ass. What kind of self-respecting media outlet EDITS a call to appear racist?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02/nbc-launches-internal-probe-over-edited-11-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/
NBC has launched an internal probe after running an edited version of the 911 call from George Zimmerman -- the man who shot and killed Trayvon Martin -- that made Zimmerman sound racist.
"We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story," the network said in a statement to the Washington Post on Monday.
NBC's "Today" show ran the edited audio of George Zimmerman's phone call to a police dispatcher in which Zimmerman says: "'This guy looks like he's up to no good … he looks black."
But the audio recording in its entirety reveals that Zimmerman did not volunteer the information that Martin was black. Instead, Zimmerman was answering a question from a police dispatcher about the race of the "suspicious person" whom Zimmerman was speaking about.
A transcript of the complete 911 call shows that Zimmerman said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
The 911 officer responded saying, "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?"
"He looks black," Zimmerman said.
The abridged conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher that NBC ran on March 27 has been blasted by media watchdog groups as misleading. Critics have said the edited version was made to suggest that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black -- an accusation by many that is still under investigation.
Martin, 17, was shot to death Feb. 26 by Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch volunteer, as Martin walked from a convenience store back to his father's fiancee's home in a gated community outside Orlando. The case has stirred a national conversation about race and the laws of self-defense.
Martin, a black teenager from Miami, was unarmed when he was shot by Zimmerman, whose father is white and mother is Hispanic. Zimmerman told police the teen attacked him before he shot in self-defense. He has not been charged in the case, despite repeated calls by political leaders and protesters for his arrest.
NBC has also come under fire by some critics for allowing MSNBC personality, the Rev. Al Sharpton, to lead protests in Florida calling for Zimmerman's arrest. Sharpton is scheduled to speak Monday in Sanford, Fla., at a march of about a thousand people carrying signs and wearing T-shirts with the teen's image
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02/nbc-launches-internal-probe-over-edited-11-call-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qujxG2ha
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that's despicable and whorish.
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don't know if this is the whole transcript:
Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin
Zimmerman:
We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.
This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman:
He looks black.
911 dispatcher:
Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]
911 dispatcher:
He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.
Zimmerman:
Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]
911 dispatcher:
OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?
Zimmerman:
That’s the clubhouse.
911 dispatcher:
He’s near the clubhouse now?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
And he’s a black male.[1:03]
911 dispatcher:
How old would you say he is?
Zimmerman:
He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.
911 dispatcher:
Late teens?
Zimmerman:
Uh, huh.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]
911 dispatcher:
Let me know if he does anything, OK?
Zimmerman:
OK.
911 dispatcher:
We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman:
OK.
These assholes. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]
911 dispatcher:
OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?
Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running. [2:08]
911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]
911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?
Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]
NOTE:
[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
911 dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]
Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK.
We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]
Zimmerman:
OK. [2:28]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]
Zimmerman:
George. He ran.
911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman:
Zimmerman.
911 dispatcher:
What’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Zimmerman:
407-435-2400
911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman:
Yeah.
911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]
Zimmerman:
Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.
911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]
911 dispatcher:
OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]
Zimmerman:
Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]
911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …
Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]
911 dispatcher:
OK, that’s no problem.
Zimmerman:
My number … you’ve got it?
911 dispatcher:
Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, you got it.
911 dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]
Zimmerman:
Thanks.
911 dispatcher:
You’re welcome.
Call ends 4:07
Above was a transcription of Zimmerman’s call to 911 moments before he shot and killed Trayvon Martin. It was transcribed to the best of the transcriber’s abilities, and is not meant to replace any official transcript of the call.
You can listen to the call here from 0:01 to 4:07.
http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/ (http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/zimmerman-911-call-transcript-trayvon-martin/)
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http://www.nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/nbc-investigating-segment-on-zimmerman-call.html?imw=Y
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LOL, after reading that full transcript, 240 lied with regards to what Zimmerman had said, its rediculous.
For shame Rob.
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this is more interesting the more i learn.
I wonder if actual facts will come to light here regarding what happened after the 911 call from Zimmerman.
But shame on NBC for sinking low like this.
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LOL, after reading that full transcript, 240 lied with regards to what Zimmerman had said, its rediculous.
For shame Rob.
Bingo. 240 - like all the drones got played for idiots and dupes once again.
Don't you see a a pattern? THEY ARE ALWAYS WRONG ALL THE TIME!
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this is more interesting the more i learn.
I wonder if actual facts will come to light here regarding what happened after the 911 call from Zimmerman.
But shame on NBC for sinking low like this.
Yeah, I was really hesitant when I saw how hard the media was trying to make up the publics mind about Zimmermans fate, and the more that comes out, the more Im glad I reserved judgment.
So much was misrepresented in order to make this into something it wasnt.
Still may wind up being a murder, but its looking less and less like it with every piece of evidence that released.
Id almost say the media may wind up backfiring on themselves, when shit like this comes out, it usually winds up with the opposite effect......
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-enhanced-video-040212_1_reporter-matt-gutman-abc-news-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-zimmerman
240 is having his 2012 "Palins' Baby" moment again like he did in 2008-2009
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pretty shady of them to edit the tape.
however, this doesn't change the fact zimmerman had a hard-on for a gunfight and lied like a bitch about 'being beaten for a minute'.
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pretty shady of them to edit the tape.
however, this doesn't change the fact zimmerman had a hard-on for a gunfight and lied like a bitch about 'being beaten for a minute'.
STOP LYING!!! WTF IS IT WITH YOU AND YOU LIES?
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pretty shady of them to edit the tape.
however, this doesn't change the fact zimmerman had a hard-on for a gunfight and lied like a bitch about 'being beaten for a minute'.
Really Rob, more lies?
ABC has high def video (just read the story) of Zimmerman entering the Police Office with visible gashes on the back of his head and bruises over his eyes.
Youre running out of excuses Rob, and your lies just keep getting debunked... when are you just going to admit you let the media whip you up just like the other morons?
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pretty shady of them to edit the tape.
however, this doesn't change the fact zimmerman had a hard-on for a gunfight and lied like a bitch about 'being beaten for a minute'.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-enhanced-video-040212_1_reporter-matt-gutman-abc-news-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-zimmerman
ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin's shooting.
The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on "Good Morning America." ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.
Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows "what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman's head."
Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.
Gutman said the video had been "clarified" by Forensic Protection Inc. Former FBI Special Agent Brad Garrett told ABC that the clearer video shows "marks on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head."
Any more lies Rob?
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The negihbor said he saw Zimm in bandages around the head and nose at the seen.
240 really changed over the last few years. Its really sad. I used to think he was just playing around, now? not so much.
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Has the video been posted yet?
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bump
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so far i only saw a few pics and it is obvious he has a big gash in his head.
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so far i only saw a few pics and it is obvious he has a big gash in his head.
its going to be interesting if Zimmerman was proven to be attacked but ends up getting charged for murder.
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its going to be interesting if Zimmerman was proven to be attacked but ends up getting charged for murder.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/02/enhanced_video_shows_injury_on_george_zimmermans_head.html
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/02/enhanced_video_shows_injury_on_george_zimmermans_head.html
In b4 240 claims Zimmerman gashed himself...
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lol
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sorry, but being beaten for SIXTy MFING SECONDS leaves a lot more than one gash on the head. A busted nose bleeds profusely. The sclp is VERY thin - anyone who has had a cut on head knows that shit bleeds bad too.
1 2 3 4 5....... count to fcking 60. That's a lot of head smashing Dude would be a freaking mess. not "a gash we can see upon further analysis".
Also the dead kid's hands aren't fuckked up, something you usually see when you punch someone for 1 2 3 4 5 6... 60 seconds.
So yes, zimmy lied, full of shit on any part of the sotry (and he's an exaggerating bitch on the 911 call) means his cred is none.
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it's not really a palin moment, 33, cause form minute 1 i have been referring to the hannity cut of the tape. also i readily call out nbc for bullshit selective editing here.
the details of the case are coming out slowly. Sanford PD is doing everything they can to make the guy look innocent, so they dont look bad - but the FBI running a parallel investigation pretty much says it all ;) not a cooperative investigation. They're doing it on their own. Says a lot about what they think of Sanford PD.
33, yes or no - in your opinion, is zimmerman lying or exaggerating at any point in that 911 call - yes or no?
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it's not really a palin moment, 33, cause form minute 1 i have been referring to the hannity cut of the tape. also i readily call out nbc for bullshit selective editing here.
the details of the case are coming out slowly. Sanford PD is doing everything they can to make the guy look innocent, so they dont look bad - but the FBI running a parallel investigation pretty much says it all ;) not a cooperative investigation. They're doing it on their own. Says a lot about what they think of Sanford PD.
33, yes or no - in your opinion, is zimmerman lying or exaggerating at any point in that 911 call - yes or no?
Shameful Rob,shameful. You've lied so much and miscontrued the evidence, and now its biting you in the ass. All you have left is "well I don'tbelieve him OR the evidence cause I don't!" Lol
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Shameful Rob,shameful. You've lied so much and miscontrued the evidence, and now its biting you in the ass. All you have left is "well I don'tbelieve him OR the evidence cause I don't!" Lol
dude, the evidence is showing more and more than he's full of shit. He had a cut on his head? Did he get knocked down then start shooting? His claim was ONE MINUTE - which to me is so insanely outlandish that it immediately shows him to be not credible.
shockwave, seriously, do you believe this man was punched and head smashed on pavement for SIXTY SECONDS? Do his injuries on tape - including a broken nose - look to be 60 seconds of beating? Dude, I've had my ass kicked in a lot less than that, and looked a lot worse.
33, you do the hand to hand combat training - do you believe he was pucnhed and slammed for 60 seconds?
cause imo, you exaggerate ONE THING in your story, and you're a fuccking liar. one thing makes you not credible when there's a dead person on the ground. Already, I think he is lying, because of the exaggeration on the phone call.
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dude, the evidence is showing more and more than he's full of shit. He had a cut on his head? Did he get knocked down then start shooting? His claim was ONE MINUTE - which to me is so insanely outlandish that it immediately shows him to be not credible.
shockwave, seriously, do you believe this man was punched and head smashed on pavement for SIXTY SECONDS? Do his injuries on tape - including a broken nose - look to be 60 seconds of beating? Dude, I've had my ass kicked in a lot less than that, and looked a lot worse.
33, you do the hand to hand combat training - do you believe he was pucnhed and slammed for 60 seconds?
cause imo, you exaggerate ONE THING in your story, and you're a fuccking liar. one thing makes you not credible when there's a dead person on the ground. Already, I think he is lying, because of the exaggeration on the phone call.
we're also supposed to believe the Martin was running away with Zimmerman in pursuit (per 911 call) and then Zimmerman claim he walked back to his truck and Martin attacked him
This make no sense if Martin was running away
Who runs away and then decides to go back and confront the person he was just running from
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dude, the evidence is showing more and more than he's full of shit. He had a cut on his head? Did he get knocked down then start shooting? His claim was ONE MINUTE - which to me is so insanely outlandish that it immediately shows him to be not credible.
shockwave, seriously, do you believe this man was punched and head smashed on pavement for SIXTY SECONDS? Do his injuries on tape - including a broken nose - look to be 60 seconds of beating? Dude, I've had my ass kicked in a lot less than that, and looked a lot worse.
33, you do the hand to hand combat training - do you believe he was pucnhed and slammed for 60 seconds?
cause imo, you exaggerate ONE THING in your story, and you're a fuccking liar. one thing makes you not credible when there's a dead person on the ground. Already, I think he is lying, because of the exaggeration on the phone call.
What?!
The evidence is showing exactly the OPPOSITE!
He was beat, there is evidence of that. The 60 seconds, who the fuck can tell how long theyre being beaten for? Im sorry, but in a fight seconds feel like minutes, and im pretty sure no one is counting how long something is going.
Youre basing your ENTIRE ARGUMENT now on this "60 seconds" thing, which has absolutley no bearing on anything.
It doesnt fucking matter, none of anything youre arguing matters in this case. Its not like him guessing and being wrong on how long the fight lasted suddenly means he's lieing about everything. Jesus Christ dude give it up - youre looking more and more like someone who just cant accept that he let the MSM take him for a ride.
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are yall looking at the aerial map? dude followed treyon for 2 blocks past the clubhouse, to the spot where kid's body was found. he was almost home. he was shot dead one block over from his street - and it took sanford PD three days to tell his dad it was him that was shot. yes, they let him sit for 3 days without making that connection that the missing kid in that same apartment complex was the same kid that was shot.
Some people think the only way they didn't make that connection, in a small town of 53k people, was intentionally. Either they are insanely inept to not realize it, or they just wanted to keep that shit quiet while zimmerman had a few days to get his story tight.
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What?!
The evidence is showing exactly the OPPOSITE!
He was beat, there is evidence of that. The 60 seconds, who the fuck can tell how long theyre being beaten for? Im sorry, but in a fight seconds feel like minutes, and im pretty sure no one is counting how long something is going.
Youre basing your ENTIRE ARGUMENT now on this "60 seconds" thing, which has absolutley no bearing on anything.
It doesnt fucking matter, none of anything youre arguing matters in this case. Its not like him guessing and being wrong on how long the fight lasted suddenly means he's lieing about everything. Jesus Christ dude give it up - youre looking more and more like someone who just cant accept that he let the MSM take him for a ride.
i'm looking at the video. 1 gash to the head. right? no shirt full of blood, right? unless the EMT was doing laundry, his shirt should have some. a broken nose - what he claimed - is a pretty fuccking serious thing.
to me, it looks like he got knocked on his ass, sustained that one head cut, was punned down while the kid talked shit, screamed for help, then capped him. If that is what happens, then it's a legal shoot, and i'm cool with that. give the dude a medal.
BUT
if the cawksucker is LYING about any ***damn details, then you lock his ass up. period. if he lied to the 911 operator (exaggerated), then he isn't credible. if he lied about "i was about to black out". If he lied about broken nose. If he lied about SIXTY SECONDS....
Look, if it's a legal shoot, then it's a good shoot and I'm cool with it. But if this prick lies about any details - and i'd bet $10 he is lying about one of these things - then that fuuck should be locked up. cause it kills credibility on all future legal shoots by all americans.
See where i'm coming from? I dont care that he shot someone - he did what he felt he had to do. I hvae beef with him claiming all these things when all he wanted was legal trigger time on some punks that he thought was stealing shit. If you lie about a shoot, you belong in prison - even if it was a justified shoot.
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are yall looking at the aerial map? dude followed treyon for 2 blocks past the clubhouse, to the spot where kid's body was found. he was almost home. he was shot dead one block over from his street - and it took sanford PD three days to tell his dad it was him that was shot. yes, they let him sit for 3 days without making that connection that the missing kid in that same apartment complex was the same kid that was shot.
Some people think the only way they didn't make that connection, in a small town of 53k people, was intentionally. Either they are insanely inept to not realize it, or they just wanted to keep that shit quiet while zimmerman had a few days to get his story tight.
Jesus Christ Rob. Yes, them not telling the parents immediatley is a cover up and means everyone is lieing, the neighbors, Zimmerman, the police. Theyre all in it together.
Youre a fucking idiot dude.
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Why the fuck would the police give him time to get his story together? I mean WHAT THE FUCK!!?
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What?!
The evidence is showing exactly the OPPOSITE!
He was beat, there is evidence of that. The 60 seconds, who the fuck can tell how long theyre being beaten for? Im sorry, but in a fight seconds feel like minutes, and im pretty sure no one is counting how long something is going.
Youre basing your ENTIRE ARGUMENT now on this "60 seconds" thing, which has absolutley no bearing on anything.
It doesnt fucking matter, none of anything youre arguing matters in this case. Its not like him guessing and being wrong on how long the fight lasted suddenly means he's lieing about everything. Jesus Christ dude give it up - youre looking more and more like someone who just cant accept that he let the MSM take him for a ride.
I have not seen any evidence that "he was beat"
He could have been the aggressor and been doing the beating and still sustained injuries
a cut on his head is proof of nothing except that he has a cut on his head
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Jesus Christ Rob. Yes, them not telling the parents immediatley is a cover up and means everyone is lieing, the neighbors, Zimmerman, the police. Theyre all in it together.
Youre a fucking idiot dude.
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Why the fuck would the police give him time to get his story together? I mean WHAT THE FUCK!!?
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I think yes, they took less than 3 days to connect the two. why did they wait? i dunno. i suspect it is so they could get his story straight and maybe let a little evidence corrode. of thye're just lazy.
think about it - 6 foot 2 black male goes missing. 6 foot 2 black male shot dead. on the same night. on the same street. in a small town. Probably the only 2 major reports they had that night. Doesn't missing persons talk to the morgue? lol
jeez, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon 72 hours to make that connection ;) So yeah, that's shady to me.
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i'm looking at the video. 1 gash to the head. right? no shirt full of blood, right? unless the EMT was doing laundry, his shirt should have some. a broken nose - what he claimed - is a pretty fuccking serious thing.
to me, it looks like he got knocked on his ass, sustained that one head cut, was punned down while the kid talked shit, screamed for help, then capped him. If that is what happens, then it's a legal shoot, and i'm cool with that. give the dude a medal.
BUT
if the cawksucker is LYING about any ***damn details, then you lock his ass up. period. if he lied to the 911 operator (exaggerated), then he isn't credible. if he lied about "i was about to black out". If he lied about broken nose. If he lied about SIXTY SECONDS....
Look, if it's a legal shoot, then it's a good shoot and I'm cool with it. But if this prick lies about any details - and i'd bet $10 he is lying about one of these things - then that fuuck should be locked up. cause it kills credibility on all future legal shoots by all americans.
See where i'm coming from? I dont care that he shot someone - he did what he felt he had to do. I hvae beef with him claiming all these things when all he wanted was legal trigger time on some punks that he thought was stealing shit. If you lie about a shoot, you belong in prison - even if it was a justified shoot.
No, I dont. If he was stuck under a dude who was smashing his head on the rocks, Im not really gonna convict him for not knowing exactly how many seconds he was getting his ass kicked, considering if youve ever been in a ring, seconds feel like minutes and you have NO idea WTF is going on. Its called adrenaline.
The ONLY thing that matters is who attacked who. Their character has absolutley NOTHING to do with this case (as you kept tring to say in old posts, "I dont care if so and so just robbed a bank thats not important" ::))
And from the evidence, the neighbors claiming TM was on top of him, the gash on the back of his head, etc... it points to TM attacking him 1st. Thats all that matters. Nothing up until that point was a crime.
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I have not seen any evidence that "he was beat"
He could have been the aggressor and been doing the beating and still sustained injuries
a cut on his head is proof of nothing except that he has a cut on his head
60 seconds, broken nose. witnesses saying he was clean and blood free RIGHT AFTER ths shoot.
Look, if he was knocked down and dude got on top and he was scared, so be it. admit it. legal shoot, which i'm fine with.
what i'm not fine with is these trigger happy ass-hats lying/exaggerating. dude's dick was hard to shoot someone.
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60 seconds, broken nose. witnesses saying he was clean and blood free RIGHT AFTER ths shoot.
Look, if he was knocked down and dude got on top and he was scared, so be it. admit it. legal shoot, which i'm fine with.
what i'm not fine with is these trigger happy ass-hats lying/exaggerating. dude's dick was hard to shoot someone.
NO THEY DIDNT YOU FUCKING LIAR! They were saying on the "PD video" he appeared clean. The witness said TM had him on the ground and was attacking him.
STOP LIEING!
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Jesus Christ Rob. Yes, them not telling the parents immediatley is a cover up and means everyone is lieing, the neighbors, Zimmerman, the police. Theyre all in it together.
Youre a fucking idiot dude.
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Why the fuck would the police give him time to get his story together? I mean WHAT THE FUCK!!?
Laziness, complacence, indifference, ineptitude, prejudice etc..
maybe some combination
take your pick
besides how much time do you need to make up a story like that.....maybe about 5 seconds
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No, I dont. If he was stuck under a dude who was smashing his head on the rocks, Im not really gonna convict him for not knowing exactly how many seconds he was getting his ass kicked, considering if youve ever been in a ring, seconds feel like minutes and you have NO idea WTF is going on. Its called adrenaline.
The ONLY thing that matters is who attacked who. Their character has absolutley NOTHING to do with this case (as you kept tring to say in old posts, "I dont care if so and so just robbed a bank thats not important" ::))
And from the evidence, the neighbors claiming TM was on top of him, the gash on the back of his head, etc... it points to TM attacking him 1st. Thats all that matters. Nothing up until that point was a crime.
i wrestled, did TKD, and have gotten my ass kicked a few times. You say "I dont konw how long it lasted". You dont' just pull 60 seconds out of your ass.
I dont care if it's a legal shoot. I do care if dude is lying about 1% of this - cause i'm a permit carrier and it's a jury that won't believe my unlucky ass, should I ever need to defend myself. This d-bag is making it so that every juror will be out for justice for every legal shoot in the next 10 years. Every cop will immediately book for murder legal shooters, so as to not err on side of sanford lol.
SO yeah, this dickhead lying means if/when 333386 ever defends himself, his jury will be looking to 'get the gun nuts back for trayvon'. See?
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Laziness, complacence, indifference, prejudice etc..
maybe some combination
take your pick
besides how much time do you need to make up a story like that.....maybe about 5 seconds
Im pretty sure that the PD was not in on it with Zimmerman. The rest is pure speculation on everyones part, it could be anything from needing a positive ID (DNA or blood), to any other sort of things. Its not automatically incompetence or corruption.
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NO THEY DIDNT YOU FUCKING LIAR! They were saying on the "PD video" he appeared clean. The witness said TM had him on the ground and was attacking him.
STOP LIEING!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured
The first eyewitness account of the 17-year-old's final moments emerged on Thursday night more than a month after the boy lost his life in an altercation with a neighbourhood watch leader in a gated community in Sanford.
The anonymous man said he reported to police details of what he saw on the evening of 26 February, which included watching the gunman walking away from the fight apparently uninjured.
It contradicts an allegation from Zimmerman's father earlier in the day that the unarmed black teenager broke his son's nose during the incident and also left him with bloody injuries from slamming the man's head repeatedly on to a concrete pavement. The eyewitness says he saw no blood and that the entire confrontation took place only on grass.
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60 seconds, broken nose. witnesses saying he was clean and blood free RIGHT AFTER ths shoot.
Look, if he was knocked down and dude got on top and he was scared, so be it. admit it. legal shoot, which i'm fine with.
what i'm not fine with is these trigger happy ass-hats lying/exaggerating. dude's dick was hard to shoot someone.
I wouldn't personally speculate he was looking to shoot someone
It's much more likely he just panicked and shot and then realized he better make up a story or he's fucked
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Im pretty sure that the PD was not in on it with Zimmerman. The rest is pure speculation on everyones part, it could be anything from needing a positive ID (DNA or blood), to any other sort of things. Its not automatically incompetence or corruption.
the police chief, responding to the state prosecutor, both rushed down on a sunday night to OVERRIDE the lead investigator before he could charge him with manslaughter.
So I don't think the entire PD was in on it. Do I think the prosecutor got a call from ZImmer senior (the judge/magistrate) that night? You bet lol. Did he and the chief override the lead prosecutor, who interviewed him right after and knew the facts before his dad could clean them up? you betcha ;)
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i wrestled, did TKD, and have gotten my ass kicked a few times. You say "I dont konw how long it lasted". You dont' just pull 60 seconds out of your ass.
SO yeah, this dickhead lying means if/when 333386 ever defends himself, his jury will be looking to 'get the gun nuts back for trayvon'. See?
You ever think he may have said "I dont know", and they said "Guess, its important" (Cause thats usually what they do).
I dont care if it's a legal shoot. I do care if dude is lying about 1% of this - cause i'm a permit carrier and it's a jury that won't believe my unlucky ass, should I ever need to defend myself. This d-bag is making it so that every juror will be out for justice for every legal shoot in the next 10 years. Every cop will immediately book for murder legal shooters, so as to not err on side of sanford lol.
So basically, youre saying, you dont care about the case, you dont care about whether the dude is innocent, you just dont like him cause he might have done something to mess with your permit so he's auto-guilty in your eyes. And the whole time youve been arguing lies and non-points because you just wanted him to be guilty of being this dickhead you already were convinced he was.
Good to go Rob, thanks for letting us know what we already did - that you should never be on a jury.
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Im pretty sure that the PD was not in on it with Zimmerman. The rest is pure speculation on everyones part, it could be anything from needing a positive ID (DNA or blood), to any other sort of things. Its not automatically incompetence or corruption.
I didn't say or suggest they conspired with him to cover it up
I'd say gross negligence is much more likely and then full on CYA after the fact
The reason we are all speculating is because the cops appear to have done almost no investigation of the shooting at the time it occurred
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/trayvon-martin-witness-zimmerman-uninjured
The first eyewitness account of the 17-year-old's final moments emerged on Thursday night more than a month after the boy lost his life in an altercation with a neighbourhood watch leader in a gated community in Sanford.
The anonymous man said he reported to police details of what he saw on the evening of 26 February, which included watching the gunman walking away from the fight apparently uninjured.
It contradicts an allegation from Zimmerman's father earlier in the day that the unarmed black teenager broke his son's nose during the incident and also left him with bloody injuries from slamming the man's head repeatedly on to a concrete pavement. The eyewitness says he saw no blood and that the entire confrontation took place only on grass.
Jesus Christ Rob, its not like you cant see the fucking foorage with the gash on his head, or what, do you think he did that himself? You have nothing short of tinfoil-hattery.
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I didn't say or suggest they conspired with him to cover it up
I'd say gross negligence is much more likely and then full on CYA after the fact
The reason we are all speculating is because the cops appear to have done almost no investigation of the shooting at the time it occurred
I was talking to 240 broseph. And I agree with you, I dont agree with 240 who has already decided what kind of man he was, his intentions, his motivations, and already tried and convicted him without any evidence to back it up, just his own personal beliefs.
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I was talking to 240 broseph. And I agree with you, I dont agree with 240 who has already decided what kind of man he was, his intentions, his motivations, and already tried and convicted him without any evidence to back it up, just his own personal beliefs.
I was responding to your response to me about the PD not being in on it with Zimmerman
I'll try to stay out of your dialogue with 240
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dude, the evidence is showing more and more than he's full of shit. He had a cut on his head? Did he get knocked down then start shooting? His claim was ONE MINUTE - which to me is so insanely outlandish that it immediately shows him to be not credible.
shockwave, seriously, do you believe this man was punched and head smashed on pavement for SIXTY SECONDS? Do his injuries on tape - including a broken nose - look to be 60 seconds of beating? Dude, I've had my ass kicked in a lot less than that, and looked a lot worse.
33, you do the hand to hand combat training - do you believe he was pucnhed and slammed for 60 seconds?
Yeah, cause that's what he was doing during the whole thing. Counting to himself...one-thousand one, one-thousand two...
Your retardation level is off the fuck meter. ::)
cause imo, you exaggerate ONE THING in your story, and you're a fuccking liar. one thing makes you not credible when there's a dead person on the ground. Already, I think he is lying, because of the exaggeration on the phone call.
So with all the lying and exaggerating you've done in this case....
Yeah, I agree...you've got no credibility.
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Jesus Christ Rob, its not like you cant see the fucking foorage with the gash on his head, or what, do you think he did that himself? You have nothing short of tinfoil-hattery.
he had one cut on his head. agreed.
the witness didn't see blood gushing or major injuries. sixty seconds of beaten, one little bump that the witness didn't even see?
i've said i think it's a justified shoot. But him lying about it means every permit holder in america will have a much harder time with a legal shoot, in the future. All cause of this trigger happy asshole who walked INTO what he believed was a high man with an object in his hand form his waist (presumably a gun).
Dude lied, or embraced a gunfight, one or the other!
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he had one cut on his head. agreed.
the witness didn't see blood gushing or major injuries. sixty seconds of beaten, one little bump that the witness didn't even see?
i've said i think it's a justified shoot. But him lying about it means every permit holder in america will have a much harder time with a legal shoot, in the future. All cause of this trigger happy asshole who walked INTO what he believed was a high man with an object in his hand form his waist (presumably a gun).
Dude lied, ora gunfight, one or the other!
The 60 seconds is irrelevant, totally irrelevant and youre using it to create suspicion. There is no way for him to know how long he was under the dude. And you have no idea where the witness was, who he was, or if he's even a credible witness. Whereas the neighbors have said they saw TM on top of him beating him. So that kind of shoots your whole theory to hell (except for the irrelevant 60 second comment). Not to mention people kept saying that there was no evidence of him having any wounds in the PD video, then an HD one came out, and BAM, wounds. Your whole argument is what, that he said he was being beaten for 60 seconds and he didnt show 60 seconds worth of abuse? What does that even mean? What if he was fighting back? I dont know about you, but when someone has me on the ground, generally im grabbing at his hands, posting him up, making sure he isnt hitting me in the face as much as possible.
Youre argument - is a non-argument based on nothing except you desperatley trying to find something with which to discredit EVERYTHING he's said.
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he had one cut on his head. agreed.
the witness didn't see blood gushing or major injuries. sixty seconds of beaten, one little bump that the witness didn't even see?
i've said i think it's a justified shoot. But him lying about it means every permit holder in america will have a much harder time with a legal shoot, in the future. All cause of this trigger happy asshole who walked INTO what he believed was a high man with an object in his hand form his waist (presumably a gun).
Dude lied, or embraced a gunfight, one or the other!
Is it legal in FL to confront someone, start a fight and then pull out a gun a shoot him
let's be clear - I'm not saying that is what happened - I'm asking if that scenario is legal (if you know)
btw - wouldn't it be easy for forensics to figure out if Martin was shot while lying on his back on the ground as opposed to while sitting on top of someone
It still wouldn't prove who started the fight but it might give Zimmerman some justification that he felt his life was in danger
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Is it legal in FL to confront someone, start a fight and then pull out a gun a shoot him
let's be clear - I'm not saying that is what happened - I'm asking if that scenario is legal (if you know)
btw - wouldn't it be easy for forensics to figure out if Martin was shot while lying on his back on the ground as opposed to while sitting on top of someone
It still wouldn't prove who started the fight but it might give Zimmerman some justification that he felt his life was in danger
I know im not 240, but check this.
This is where the neighbor said they saw TM on top of zimmerman, called the cops, heard the shot, and then saw TM on the ground next to Zimmerman. And im pretty sure that was corroborated - that TM was shot on top of Zimmerman.
Youre right, has nothing to do with who threw the 1st punch. But its also kind of irrelevant who confronted who. Its not illegal to confront anyone, it is however illegal to attack said person.
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I know im not 240, but check this.
This is where the neighbor said they saw TM on top of zimmerman, called the cops, heard the shot, and then saw TM on the ground next to Zimmerman. And im pretty sure that was corroborated - that TM was shot on top of Zimmerman.
Youre right, has nothing to do with who threw the 1st punch. But its also kind of irrelevant who confronted who. Its not illegal to confront anyone, it is however illegal to attack said person.
It's relevent because it would contradict Zimmerman story that he was returning (had almost returned to his van when he was attacked)
Also, if Zimmerman was on his back when he shot Martin wouldn't he have some blood on his shirt
This seems like some very basic that should have been figured out by now
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It's relevent because it would contradict Zimmerman story that he was returning (had almost returned to his van when he was attacked)
Also, Zimmerman was on his back when he shot Martin wouldn't he have some blood on his shirt
This seems like some very basic that should have been figured out by now
I see what youre saying, im saying its irrelevant who initiated the argument, whether Zimmerman started arguing with Trayvon or vice versa, but if youre insinuating that Zimmerman confronting Travyon means he chased him down the road, then yes it would contradict the story. However, Id ass-u-me that that would have shot up red flags and the media would have pounced on that, if he was any distance from his truck.
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I see what youre saying, im saying its irrelevant who initiated the argument, whether Zimmerman started arguing with Trayvon or vice versa, but if youre insinuating that Zimmerman confronting Travyon means he chased him down the road, then yes it would contradict the story. However, Id ass-u-me that that would have shot up red flags and the media would have pounced on that, if he was any distance from his truck.
there are tons of red flags and I think it was a week or more before this even hit the media
there is just so little info on what happened and seemingly little to no investigatin by the police at the time it occurred
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there are tons of red flags and I think it was a week or more before this even hit the media
there is just so little info on what happened and seemingly little to no investigatin by the police at the time it occurred
That we know of, but Police departments try to keep things as quite as possible because they dont want this kind of shit happening - even moreso when it turns into a media circus. They usually try and withhold the details until they know what happened, because of exactly this situation.
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The libs have been trying.to blow this up since day one with lying about damn near every aspect of this including Obama. Don't expect them to stop now, they have a blatant racist agenda. As for NBC Tom Brokaw appeared on Chinese communist TV. What does that tell you?
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That we know of, but Police departments try to keep things as quite as possible because they dont want this kind of shit happening - even moreso when it turns into a media circus. They usually try and withhold the details until they know what happened, because of exactly this situation.
yeah but how much time could they have spent if they let the shooter go the same night
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yeah but how much time could they have spent if they let the shooter go the same night
If everything checked out, and they had no reason to arrest him right away, than I assume thats their SOP. I dont know what the procedure is on that sort of thing, but Im ass-u-ming that if they had reasonable suspicious to think he was lieing, they would have locked him.
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The 60 seconds is irrelevant, totally irrelevant and youre using it to create suspicion. There is no way for him to know how long he was under the dude.
Then he shouldn't have claimed 60 seconds. He shuold have just said "I dont konw how long i was beaten".
See, it's that instant delivery of the perfect answers, exaggerated to completely remove any doubt he had any other options - that destroys his credibility.
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Then he shouldn't have claimed 60 seconds. He shuold have just said "I dont konw how long i was beaten".
See, it's that instant delivery of the perfect answers, exaggerated to completely remove any doubt he had any other options - that destroys his credibility.
Dude, wtf. What if the police said "estimate the time, its important" (As Ive literally heard officers say this before). And you have no fucking idea how "instant" his answer was.
Stupid fucking argument 240, stupid argument. Youre grasping at straws to discredit this guy.
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Yes, it's legal to create a situation where you're getting your ass kicked, then you make a claim (on your own judgment, which is obviously already poor to follow an armed person on drugs into a yard).
Plus he followed the kid 2 blocks PAST the clubhouse, after hanging up with police. That's a long fcking way for a kid to see some fat stranger chasing him.
So yeah, it's legal - and this is why ppl have an issue with 'stand your ground'. IMO, the florida law of "forcible felony' may have just been adequate, because it covers every shoot EXCEPT the ones you start ;) People love the stand-your-ground law cause you can kill ppl pretty easily with it and "i felt scared" is all you need. The old law, you needed to witness a forcible felony to shoot. ;
If you wanna play cowboy, you claim stand your ground. PERSONALLY, I like to make every effort to flee. I've done it, and zimmer should have stopped at mailboxes to meet police as instructed - not follow a teenager for TWO MORE BLOCKS before killing him.
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Then he shouldn't have claimed 60 seconds. He shuold have just said "I dont konw how long i was beaten".
See, it's that instant delivery of the perfect answers, exaggerated to completely remove any doubt he had any other options - that destroys his credibility.
He didn't claim it retard.
That's your claim.
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Yes, it's legal to create a situation where you're getting your ass kicked, then you make a claim (on your own judgment, which is obviously already poor to follow an armed person on drugs into a yard).
Plus he followed the kid 2 blocks PAST the clubhouse, after hanging up with police. That's a long fcking way for a kid to see some fat stranger chasing him.
So yeah, it's legal - and this is why ppl have an issue with 'stand your ground'. IMO, the florida law of "forcible felony' may have just been adequate, because it covers every shoot EXCEPT the ones you start ;) People love the stand-your-ground law cause you can kill ppl pretty easily with it and "i felt scared" is all you need. The old law, you needed to witness a forcible felony to shoot. ;
If you wanna play cowboy, you claim stand your ground. PERSONALLY, I like to make every effort to flee. I've done it, and zimmer should have stopped at mailboxes to meet police as instructed - not follow a teenager for TWO MORE BLOCKS before killing him.
Give it rest already, for fucks sake.
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He didn't claim it retard.
That's your claim.
his daddy did. and he will too, should there be a trial.
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his daddy did. and he will too, should there be a trial.
But, but...what about your earlier post. One lie and you're a liar. Are you berating yourself over your non-stop lying?
Good job claiming what he might claim in the future. ::)
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his daddy did. and he will too, should there be a trial.
So, you lied. That means that everything you said is a lie, using your own logic, correct? Cause one innaccuracy by Zimmerman (even though it wasnt him) means his whole story loses credibility. Or does that logic not apply to your non-stop lies and exaggerations?
Honestly 240 the things your projecting onto Zimmerman sound more like YOU that it does him. Sounds like youre describing yourself.
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that's despicable and whorish.
My exact thoughts.
The presstitudes ... pffttt!
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So, you lied. That means that everything you said is a lie, using your own logic, correct? Cause one innaccuracy by Zimmerman (even though it wasnt him) means his whole story loses credibility. Or does that logic not apply to your non-stop lies and exaggerations?
Honestly 240 the things your projecting onto Zimmerman sound more like YOU that it does him. Sounds like youre describing yourself.
if he is lying to police about a dead body he created - exaggerating the beating he took - that's hardly "one inaccuracy"!
that beating is the entire legal basis for him pulling the trigger. Kinda a big deal to be innaccuate on ;) THe one single item that clears him, and THAT is the one he gets wrong, greatly to his benefit.
I think he got hit once, got pinned down, and shot him. Period. He chased a kid thru the dark for 2 blocks past the clubhouse, the kid came out, they probably went right at each other, as shit usually is in real life like that. hell, i bet he never got his NOSE BROKEN, as claimed. i bet they went right to ground game, guy hit his head on ground, and decided to use his gun.
that's probably what happened, let's be real. He was scared and he shot. Then jsut say that. Don't be a cuunt and lie about it. Don't be that jackass saying 'stand your ground law" after you were beat for 60 seconds of sidewalk pounding and you didn't even wanna to go hospital. Don't say "was about to lose consciousness" whehn you hopped right up after shoot.
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ABC News Enhances Zimmerman Video, Now Says It Shows “Pair of Gashes And Welts” On His Head…
(Orlando Sentinel) — ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin’s shooting.
The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on “Good Morning America.” ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.
Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows “what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman’s head.”
Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-enhanced-video-040212_1_reporter-matt-gutman-abc-news-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-zimmerman
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/zimmerman-video.jpg)
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if he is lying to police about a dead body he created - exaggerating the beating he took - that's hardly "one inaccuracy"!
that beating is the entire legal basis for him pulling the trigger. Kinda a big deal to be innaccuate on ;) THe one single item that clears him, and THAT is the one he gets wrong, greatly to his benefit.
I think he got hit once, got pinned down, and shot him. Period. He chased a kid thru the dark for 2 blocks past the clubhouse, the kid came out, they probably went right at each other, as shit usually is in real life like that. hell, i bet he never got his NOSE BROKEN, as claimed. i bet they went right to ground game, guy hit his head on ground, and decided to use his gun.
that's probably what happened, let's be real. He was scared and he shot. Then jsut say that. Don't be a cuunt and lie about it. Don't be that jackass saying 'stand your ground law" after you were beat for 60 seconds of sidewalk pounding and you didn't even wanna to go hospital. Don't say "was about to lose consciousness" whehn you hopped right up after shoot.
Dude had a gash on the back of his head. Cut the "scared" bullshit. If he was having his head smashed on the pavement, he's going into panic mode, you make it just sound like he couldnt fight and was a pussy.
He never claimed the 60 second bullshit like you keep saying. How is the "60 seconds" the "one single item that clears him".
Youre whole argument is based on something he never even said. How fucking pathetic are you being now? Jesus Christ dude. Just admit you dont give a flying fuck about what actually happened, you WANT this guy to be this douchebag you keep making him out to be so youll be justified with all your bullshit. Any little thing you can grab to try and discredit him, you do, even when he didnt fucking say it, and youre looking like a total tool.
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ABC News Enhances Zimmerman Video, Now Says It Shows “Pair of Gashes And Welts” On His Head…
(Orlando Sentinel) — ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin’s shooting.
The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on “Good Morning America.” ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.
Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows “what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman’s head.”
Neighborhood Watch volunteer Zimmerman has said he shot 17-year-old Trayvon in self-defense. The video shows Zimmerman arriving at the Sanford Police Department within an hour after the shooting.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-enhanced-video-040212_1_reporter-matt-gutman-abc-news-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-zimmerman
(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/zimmerman-video.jpg)
Nope, he was just scared cause TM knocked him down so he decided to shoot him cause he cant fight. ::)
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LOL, unbiased media my ass.
Yah, but biased in what way?
Toward makig people "get liberal"?
Or toward keeping people divided? Cause that seems like the true motive.
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Yah, but biased in what way?
Toward makig people "get liberal"?
Or toward keeping people divided? Cause that seems like the true motive.
Yeah I dont really like looking at things in left/right, because I tend to agree with centrists on both sides of most issues, but I tend to lean slightly right on rights and liberties but slightly left on social issues like abortion.
I tend to focus more on peoples rights to make their own decisions, and I tend to be against anything that has to do with one side or the other making choices for other people (as there are issues like that on both sides)
This, like you said, is biased more towards causing diviciveness which helps them with ratings, plus they can use it for their sides agenda's. (Gun control, etc)
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They are not BIASED.
They are in business.
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They are not BIASED.
They are in business.
Better way of putting it.
I would say however, that traditionally jouralists tried to potray only the facts in order to be as accurate as possible - seems now days like its less important to be accurate than it is to get their opinions on onto people.
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They are not BIASED.
They are in business.
50% of Americans think the MSM is 'too liberal' while only 17% think they are 'too conservative'. They're both biased AND in business.
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Better way of putting it.
I would say however, that traditionally jouralists tried to potray only the facts in order to be as accurate as possible - seems now days like its less important to be accurate than it is to get their opinions on onto people.
I agree, also, many of journalists are liberal so their bias will come out at times. But in the end, the Media is a business, plain and simple. If they can spin it a little to create a story or fuel it, they will, like the sleaze bags at NBC did.
This whole thing is interesting. I don't always like reading ad-hom that gets created here when discussing an issue.
What evidence is there that supports Zimmerman's story? What are the inconsistencies if there are?
A couple of things i heard recently:
- He frequently called 911 other times/other days
- He didn't represent himself properly as a neighborhood watchman when he called 911
Other questions:
Should Neighborhood watchmen carry guns?
Did someone see Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman?
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50% of Americans think the MSM is 'too liberal' while only 17% think they are 'too conservative'. They're both biased AND in business.
You are saying they are both BIAS and just business minded because of what people think?
Or are you saying they are bias because of their audience?
I think ALL media plays to its audience for the sole purpose of revenue from advertisers based on ratings. The journalists themselves might think differently but the execs who run the show don't.
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You are saying they are both BIAS and just business minded because of what people think?
Or are you saying they are bias because of their audience?
I think ALL media plays to its audience for the sole purpose of revenue from advertisers based on ratings. The journalists themselves might think differently but the execs who run the show don't.
What audience? The majority of Americans do not identify themselves as liberals and tend more towards center-right than left yet the media is markedly left. The fact that 50% of Americans look at them as being too liberal while only 17% consider them too conservative says a lot about the narrative they're usually pushing.
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The MSM's gotta go or we need to find away to disconnect people from it. Kind of like they did to Neo in the Matric lol!
Take the blue pill.
Of course one way to do this is to modify the host files of as many computers on the planet as possible to redirect people away from MSM sites to alternative ones showing the "REAL" news... just thinking out loud here on a "wouldn't it be nice" level...
If only it was as easy to redirect the Cable and Satellite broadcasts...
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I agree, also, many of journalists are liberal so their bias will come out at times. But in the end, the Media is a business, plain and simple. If they can spin it a little to create a story or fuel it, they will, like the sleaze bags at NBC did.
This whole thing is interesting. I don't always like reading ad-hom that gets created here when discussing an issue.
What evidence is there that supports Zimmerman's story? What are the inconsistencies if there are?
A couple of things i heard recently:
- He frequently called 911 other times/other days
- He didn't represent himself properly as a neighborhood watchman when he called 911
Other questions:
Should Neighborhood watchmen carry guns?
Did someone see Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman?
I think it's irrelevant on watchman carrying firearms. If he had a license, he should be able to carry it, regardless of his duties as a watchman. (I dont think there is any kind of unified law for watchman either.)
Yes, multiple neighbors have come out and said they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman assaulting him. One said he saw him on top, ran and got the phone, heard the shot, and came back and TM was laying in the grass next to Zimmerman.
He did frequently call 911 (which being a watchman with a neighborhood history of break-ins, I dont really think is relevant).
The evidence supporting him would be the neighbors testimony, the gash on the back of his head, and it pretty much fits with the story he told the PD.
The only real counter argument I see thats plausible would be, did he chase down Trayvon and initiate contact or did Trayvon come up to him (like he said in his official story).
The only way I can see that argument hold water is if not only did he run Trayvon down, but that he then attacked Trayvon 1st. If he just caught up to him and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood and Trayvon attacked him, its still a legal self-defense.
There is a lot of little things that are quirky, as there always is in any high-adrenaline situation, because obviously everybody has a little different version of what happened based on where they were, what they saw, and how close they were. The truth is somewhere in the middle. And there really isnt enough evidence to the contrary that I can see him going to jail.
Keep in mind this is just my take on the LEGALITY of it, not the MORALITY of following someone down the road, we have to remember that just because someone may disagree with something on a moral level does not mean its a crime. (i.e. following somone at night that looks suspicious). And remember as well that there has to be irrefutable evidence that he committed a crime before he can be convicted as guilty.
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What audience? The majority of Americans do not identify themselves as liberals and tend more towards center-right than left yet the media is markedly left. The fact that 50% of Americans look at them as being too liberal while only 17% consider them too conservative says a lot about the narrative they're usually pushing.
If they didn't have an audience they wouldn't be on the air. So their audience may be mostly liberal, hence the perceived liberal slant. Just as FOX may have a perceived conservative slant as it plays to their audiences. Point being they are businesses who's lively hood depends on advertising revenue decided by ratings and therefore make decisions with that in mind, not necessarily their own political leanings.
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I think it's irrelevant on watchman carrying firearms. If he had a license, he should be able to carry it, regardless of his duties as a watchman. (I dont think there is any kind of unified law for watchman either.)
Yes, multiple neighbors have come out and said they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman assaulting him. One said he saw him on top, ran and got the phone, heard the shot, and came back and TM was laying in the grass next to Zimmerman.
He did frequently call 911 (which being a watchman with a neighborhood history of break-ins, I dont really think is relevant).
The evidence supporting him would be the neighbors testimony, the gash on the back of his head, and it pretty much fits with the story he told the PD.
The only real counter argument I see thats plausible would be, did he chase down Trayvon and initiate contact or did Trayvon come up to him (like he said in his official story).
The only way I can see that argument hold water is if not only did he run Trayvon down, but that he then attacked Trayvon 1st. If he just caught up to him and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood and Trayvon attacked him, its still a legal self-defense.
There is a lot of little things that are quirky, as there always is in any high-adrenaline situation, because obviously everybody has a little different version of what happened based on where they were, what they saw, and how close they were. The truth is somewhere in the middle. And there really isnt enough evidence to the contrary that I can see him going to jail.
Keep in mind this is just my take on the LEGALITY of it, not the MORALITY of following someone down the road, we have to remember that just because someone may disagree with something on a moral level does not mean its a crime. (i.e. following somone at night that looks suspicious). And remember as well that there has to be irrefutable evidence that he committed a crime before he can be convicted as guilty.
yeah it comes down to law/what's provable to whether or not he gets charged.
I brought up the gun thing as a side conversation in that should people like him untrained and unsanctioned, a neighborhood watchmen, who is frequently engaged in things like this be carrying a gun?
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They are in business. The business of dividing people. Business is good.
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They are in business. The business of dividing people. Business is good.
yep
the solution is less important then staying true to the party/ideology
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yeah it comes down to law/what's provable to whether or not he gets charged.
I brought up the gun thing as a side conversation in that should people like him untrained and unsanctioned, a neighborhood watchmen, who is frequently engaged in things like this be carrying a gun?
Yeah I see what youre getting at. I suppose they should have some mandatory training if you want to carry a gun on the watch, but it also seems like his CWP would have the same affect - training only goes so far. If you have someone that is wanting to shoot someone, theyre going to do it regardless of what theyre trained.
I guess it would make more sense to have some sort of psyche screening on the neighborhood watch, but thats pretty far fetched. I dont know what the answer is. (Note that I dont think Zimmerman was out to shoot someone 240, this is for the sake of argument)
Really, a watchman is just a guy who volunteered to keep on eye on the neighborhood and to report suspicious people. I think the phyical altercations really arent indicative of the watch, because one really doesnt have much to do with another.
I guess what im saying is that whether a guy is watch or not - if he's looking for suspicious people and a situation comes up where he shoots someone, I dont think him being a watchman or not would have changed anything.
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there is a point where you are following someone on foot, in the dark... someone you believe is on drugs... someone you believe has something in their hand....
where your common sense says "i'm probably PROVOKING a CONFRONTATION with an unknown danger. The police will be here in a minute. Just stop".
Anyone who lacks that ability to call off the dogs... who carries a gun... I dunno, something doesn't sit right here. I suspect a lot more comes out to explain why someone would beg for a confrontation with someone they believe to be so dangerous. Things like this don't happen in a vacuum. He assaults a cop, he assaults a wife... chances are there is some other dark shit and this shoot was just a matter of time.
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there is a point where you are following someone on foot, in the dark... someone you believe is on drugs... someone you believe has something in their hand....
where your common sense says "i'm probably PROVOKING a CONFRONTATION with an unknown danger. The police will be here in a minute. Just stop".
Anyone who lacks that ability to call off the dogs... who carries a gun... I dunno, something doesn't sit right here. I suspect a lot more comes out to explain why someone would beg for a confrontation with someone they believe to be so dangerous. Things like this don't happen in a vacuum. He assaults a cop, he assaults a wife... chances are there is some other dark shit and this shoot was just a matter of time.
Again - nothing to do with anything. Youre infering intent where you dont know if there was one.
He was a watchman. He was keeping on eye on the kid until the cops arrived. When he lost sight of the kid he gave up (Its in the 911 transcript) (See how easy it is to blow your whole "he was looking to shoot someone" bullshit out of the water?
Youre taking a scenario, shaping it to fit your bias, and then adding intent, and BAM, its a whole different thing than reality. Anyone can sit back and say "I think he was thinking this at the time, because he said this" Doesnt mean you have any fucking idea what youre talking about.
You could say the same about Trayvon. Selling drugs on facebook. Suspended for drugs. Theft tools in a backpack full of stolen shit. So maybe Zimmerman was thinking right when he called him in for drugs? See, two can play that game. You have no semblence of rationality.
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I dont think he WANTED to shoot someone, per se.
I think he was seeking validation. Insecure, probably small penis and lack of personal accomplishment. Being the hero, holding some burglar at bay who had been bothering his community would have given him such incredible props. His nightly rounds along those streets would have been great. He wanted to be a hero. Even if it only meant standing there pointing his finger at a coward hiding in the bushes with stolen property on person.
Didn't work that way. Dude make a kid feel cornered, and he attacked. To be expected. if zimmer followed any getbigger 2 blocks, creeping thru the yard, we probably all would have attacked him when he got close. He felt safe in his little bubble/community. nobody is going to tackle him and take him down. then, BOOM. he's on his back, his head is throbbing from the kid shoving him down. he slips on grass and lands on sidewalk. crack. bump on head. probably shit his pants a little, and got gun and fired. All that nonsense about "beat for 60 seconds, about to go unconscious, scared of crapping in a diaper, the guy said he you die toinght" - all bullshit. But we know this.
I'm betting he was the type of guy who had told the cop about 1000X times that he had his permit, and "oh, I was ready to handle it until you guys showed up!" We've all met that dude at some point.
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He was a watchman. He was keeping on eye on the kid until the cops arrived. When he lost sight of the kid he gave up (Its in the 911 transcript)
He lost track of him at the clubhouse. Then, 2 blocks west of that, they found trayvon's body. so he 'found' him 2 blocks down the road as trayvon was almost home, and zimmerman was now 2 blocks away from the clubhouse, ,and 2 more blocks farther away from his home.
He didn't give up. He kept running thru yards until the 2 found one another. does anyone have the overhead map yet? trayvon was 2 blocks from the clubhouse. dude pursued him quite a bit after 'giving up'.
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He lost track of him at the clubhouse. Then, 2 blocks west of that, they found trayvon's body. so he 'found' him 2 blocks down the road as trayvon was almost home, and zimmerman was now 2 blocks away from the clubhouse, ,and 2 more blocks farther away from his home.
He didn't give up. He kept running thru yards until the 2 found one another. does anyone have the overhead map yet? trayvon was 2 blocks from the clubhouse. dude pursued him quite a bit after 'giving up'.
Prove it. Prove what you're saying here, because on the 911 call, he actually said you go PAST the clubhouse. So I want to see this "map"
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Prove it. Prove what you're saying here, because on the 911 call, he actually said you go PAST the clubhouse. So I want to see this "map"
found a map - not the one they showed, but you see it. trayvon came in the park, walked straight home. this fvck was plaing ninja and actually stood in trayvon's way as he tried to get to his chick's house. look at the paths. he was supposed to meet them at the clubhouse. you can see it on the far left. he didn't do that. he traveled 2 blocks and ninja'd thru some backyard to intercept the kid.
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240 - I feel bad for you.
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TO get a sense of things, zoom in and look at how small cars are on this map. Looka t the clubhouse - dude went quite a way. So that "he stopped pursuing treyvon" is a louad of shit. He left his truck, diden't wait by the clubhouses as agreed with LEO on phone. He saw trayvon go straight, and he ran thru the yards in order to creep up on him or intercept him. The kid was looking at an armed stranger standing between him and his destination. Someone who dumped their truck (blue square on this map) pretty damn far away. Again, look how huge those buildings are compared to the tiny cars.
ZImmerman went two very long blocks, actually. chasing a kid thru the apartment complex at night as the kid just walked in from store and tried to get home.
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240 - I feel bad for you.
personal insult? eitehr address the point or stay out of the thread. I think the kid was a drug dealer who wasn't making the world a better place. I thnk the shooter is a liar. but know this, 33386... IF you ever need to use your weapon to protect your life... you can rest assured the police, judge, and jury will be MUCH tougher on you - and more likely to believe you - thanks to this dipshit zimmerman.
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found a map - not the one they showed, but you see it. trayvon came in the park, walked straight home. this fvck was plaing ninja and actually stood in trayvon's way as he tried to get to his chick's house. look at the paths. he was supposed to meet them at the clubhouse. you can see it on the far left. he didn't do that. he traveled 2 blocks and ninja'd thru some backyard to intercept the kid.
Wow, just.... Wow. ::) ::) ::)
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personal insult? eitehr address the point or stay out of the thread. I think the kid was a drug dealer who wasn't making the world a better place. I thnk the shooter is a liar. but know this, 33386... IF you ever need to use your weapon to protect your life... you can rest assured the police, judge, and jury will be MUCH tougher on you - and more likely to believe you - thanks to this dipshit zimmerman.
If my head is being slammed into the concrete, I am shooting a killing a ghetto thug.
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Wow, just.... Wow. ::) ::) ::)
It's sad, isn't it? He knows he's backed into a corner and has made a complete fool out of himself so he's going to go down in flames.
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If my head is being slammed into the concrete, I am shooting a killing a ghetto thug.
me too. i believe it was a justified shoot once they got into a tussle. but i also believe GZ pursued him for 2 blocks in the dark then ave inaccurate timing on the 60 seconds. if you dont know, you dont know. Say that. 60 seconds is a lifetime when youre getting head smashed. If he 'got that wrong on accident' - what else did he get wrong?
again - justified shoot. But he shoudl STFU about the details, cause like I said - if you ever shoot someone, 33, it's gonna be a bitch, cause the jury will look to avenge trayvon in every justified shoot for the next 10 years.
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me too. i believe it was a justified shoot once they got into a tussle. but i also believe GZ pursued him for 2 blocks in the dark then ave inaccurate timing on the 60 seconds. if you dont know, you dont know. Say that. 60 seconds is a lifetime when youre getting head smashed. If he 'got that wrong on accident' - what else did he get wrong?
again - justified shoot. But he shoudl STFU about the details, cause like I said - if you ever shoot someone, 33, it's gonna be a bitch, cause the jury will look to avenge trayvon in every justified shoot for the next 10 years.
I don't want to shoot anyone, but I believe that the fact that there were many break ins necessitated a watch program.
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I don't want to shoot anyone, but I believe that the fact that there were many break ins necessitated a watch program.
i agree a watch program is awesome.
what i'm saying is, when GZ walks (after stirring this shit enough to get a shoot).... EVERY SINGLE JURY in a shooting case for the next 10 years will be seeking justice for trayvon. If some skell attacks you in the alley and slams your head in the ground, and you shoot..
police are going to arrest you faster than ever - so they don't get all the scrutiny that SPD got.
DA is going to prosecute you - to avoid all the drama/marches for the city that it'd get
the jury is going to convict you - cause they're tired of armed dudes killing their 'innocent babies'.
THAT is why this case matters. Sure, i'm an emotional flipflopper at times. but when GZ walks, you're going to see everyone going at CCW holders harder than ever. You'll see a legal shoot with the shooter railroaded - cause of what they did to trayvon. watch and see :(
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i agree a watch program is awesome.
what i'm saying is, when GZ walks (after stirring this shit enough to get a shoot).... EVERY SINGLE JURY in a shooting case for the next 10 years will be seeking justice for trayvon. If some skell attacks you in the alley and slams your head in the ground, and you shoot..
police are going to arrest you faster than ever - so they don't get all the scrutiny that SPD got.
DA is going to prosecute you - to avoid all the drama/marches for the city that it'd get
the jury is going to convict you - cause they're tired of armed dudes killing their 'innocent babies'.
THAT is why this case matters. Sure, i'm an emotional flipflopper at times. but when GZ walks, you're going to see everyone going at CCW holders harder than ever. You'll see a legal shoot with the shooter railroaded - cause of what they did to trayvon. watch and see :(
Could you be more of a fucking drama queen? No jury is going to care about this case down the road. Hell, no one is going to give a shit about this in another month. A person on a jury certainly won't be out to dole out justice on some other person because of what happened with this. ::)
Do you not see how fucking stupid your arguments are? You operate in fairy tales.
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Could you be more of a fucking drama queen? No jury is going to care about this case down the road. Hell, no one is going to give a shit about this in another month. A person on a jury certainly won't be out to dole out justice on some other person because of what happened with this. ::)
Do you not see how fucking stupid your arguments are? You operate in fairy tales.
I dunno. There are thousands of people marching in miami for Trayvon.
You're telling me if I took a trip to Miami tomorrow, shot some kid who started a fight with me after I tailed him 2 blocks... and it came to a trial and one of those geniuses marching was on the jury...
you think he/she would be honest and fair? Or just dying to convict my militant ass for killing another innocent baby? There are probably still racist jurors who convict/don't convict based upon OJ. you're saying I cap some young kid in a month and the jury doesn't try to exact revenge for trayvon?
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I dunno. There are thousands of people marching in miami for Trayvon.
You're telling me if I took a trip to Miami tomorrow, shot some kid who started a fight with me after I tailed him 2 blocks... and it came to a trial and one of those geniuses marching was on the jury...
you think he/she would be honest and fair? Or just dying to convict my militant ass for killing another innocent baby? There are probably still racist jurors who convict/don't convict based upon OJ. you're saying I cap some young kid in a month and the jury doesn't try to exact revenge for trayvon?
14 shot at a funeral and you are silent why?
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14 shot at a funeral and you are silent why?
??? I didnt' know i had a duty to respond to every crime in america. Um, let's see. Investigate, convict, and execute the fcking shooters. Period. I didn't know we were on different pages when it came to enforcing the law ??? I've said zimmerman was prob a clean shoot, but he's an asshole for playing ninja to cause the confrontation.
Jurors are going to punish the next clean shooter. watch and see. every dude with a permit is suddenly going to be GZ.
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14 shot at a funeral and you are silent why?
those people were murdered
was Treyvon Martin murdered ?
is that what you're suggesting or did I misunderstand your point ?
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??? I didnt' know i had a duty to respond to every crime in america. Um, let's see. Investigate, convict, and execute the fcking shooters. Period. I didn't know we were on different pages when it came to enforcing the law ??? I've said zimmerman was prob a clean shoot, but he's an asshole for playing ninja to cause the confrontation.
Jurors are going to punish the next clean shooter. watch and see. every dude with a permit is suddenly going to be GZ.
Do I need to even get into how many assumptions were made in the making of this map?
How did they know which path Trayvon took to get there?
How do they know which path Zimmerman took to get there?
Was someone down there following there footprints?
This map is full of assumptions just like you are. This is no more accurate than your "opinions" of Zimmerman and Trayvon. Notice not even the MSM will touch this map - should tell you something.
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those people were murdered
was Treyvon Martin murdered ?
is that what you're suggesting or did I misunderstand your point ?
We dont know if he was murdered. You left wing freak shows jumped the gun on this from day 1 and now are being forced to make shit up to push forward your bullshit narratives.
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This map is full of assumptions just like you are. This is no more accurate than your "opinions" of Zimmerman and Trayvon. Notice not even the MSM will touch this map - should tell you something.
nbc was using an overhead map last night to demonstrate how zimmerman left his truck and the meeting location, and pursued the kid 2 blocks.
so yes, msm did touch the map. they had it on msnbc last night.
shit man, what is so hard to comprehend - legal shoot from a cawksucker who did everything he could to make sure of a confrontation?
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nbc was using an overhead map last night to demonstrate how zimmerman left his truck and the meeting location, and pursued the kid 2 blocks.
so yes, msm did touch the map. they had it on msnbc last night.
shit man, what is so hard to comprehend - legal shoot from a cawksucker who did everything he could to make sure of a confrontation?
you mean the same NBC who made up the tape ?
Fucking please - I am embarassed I once considered you a credible person.
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nbc was using an overhead map last night to demonstrate how zimmerman left his truck and the meeting location, and pursued the kid 2 blocks.
so yes, msm did touch the map. they had it on msnbc last night.
shit man, what is so hard to comprehend - legal shoot from a cawksucker who did everything he could to make sure of a confrontation?
No one is arguing that you guy, were arguing your assumptions about all details that you claim to know without a.doubt, all your worthless fucking points on "why he wanted kill someone", now your changing your tune to "legal shoot who tried to confront someone", no shit Sherlock, he was a neighborhood watchman who didn't want the kid to get away before the cops got.there. everything else you're inferencing is all assumption, right down to that map.
Jesus Christ, Youre not even trying to argue the same point you were before.
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Even you assuming he did everything to initiate.confontation is BS, you have no fucking idea how.it went down and neither does anyone else. And there is no fact in that map, did someone go down.there and follow their footsteps? Did they have a map based on the GPS locations of the phone? Did they see them? No. There is nothing to validate that map but assumptions made by a phone convo.
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New video shows Martin shooter's injury
http://gma.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-video-shows-injury-back-head-161816389--abc-news-topstories.html
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We dont know if he was murdered. You left wing freak shows jumped the gun on this from day 1 and now are being forced to make shit up to push forward your bullshit narratives.
went right over your head with room to spare
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NBC issues apology for edited Zimmerman 911 call
foxnews.com ^ | 4/3/12 | Fox/AP
Posted on April 3, 2012 8:11:39 PM EDT by ColdOne
NBC News issued an apology Tuesday for the way it handled the broadcasting of the 911 conversation between George Zimmerman and a police dispatcher in the Trayvon Martin case.
Following reports that NBC aired audio of the call was edited in a way that implied Zimmerman was racist, the network launched an internal investigation.
"During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers," the network said in a statement cited
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I hope someone got fired over this.
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I hope someone got fired over this.
Probably got promoted. The leftists and communists have a long history of this.
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/daily-show-takes-a-racist-time-out-to-unravel-the-trayvon-martin-case/
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/daily-show-takes-a-racist-time-out-to-unravel-the-trayvon-martin-case/
More comedians. ::) ::)
About sums up the entire leftist ideology - one big ridiculous joke.
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i guess the topic of obama talking about jesus at a easter breakfast is big news :D :D :D :D
right ideology - one big ridiculous joke ;D
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Good.
NBC News reportedly fires producer of edited George Zimmerman tape
Published April 07, 2012
FoxNews.com
NBC News has fired a producer who worked on a 'Today' show segment that featured a heavily edited 911 recording in which George Zimmerman appears to racially profile Trayvon Martin before the teen's shooting, according to The New York Times.
The name of the Miami-based producer who was fired was not released, according to the Times report, which does not refer to any disciplinary action that may have been taken against other NBC staffers.
NBC News has been slammed for the report since last week, and had promised an investigation into what has been described as a grossly misleading editing of the tape.
NBC declined to confirm the firing, according to the Times report.
"An internal investigation determined that a "seasoned" producer was to blame for the edit, NBC had said earlier in the week, before news of the firing.
The edited version of the call that aired on Today clearly made Zimmerman appear to say Martin looked dangerous because of his race.
"This guy looks like he's up to no good … he looks black," Zimmerman says in the version of the tape that aired.
In the unedited version of the call, however, Zimmerman answers a question about Martin's race only after being specifically asked by the 911 dispatcher.
"This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or like he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about," Zimmerman said, without referring at all to Martin's race.
Only after the 911 dispatcher asks "black, white or Hispanic?" did Zimmerman reply "He looks black."
The 17-year-old Martin was killed on Feb. 26 by Zimmerman in the city of Sanford, Fla., where Martin was visiting. Zimmerman claims Martin physically attacked him after he questioned why he was in the neighborhood.
Details of what actually happened between the two in the moments before the shooting are not clear, and are currently under investigation.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/07/nbc-news-reportedly-fires-producer-edited-george-zimmerman-tape/?test=latestnews