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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1225 on: February 24, 2016, 08:21:13 AM »
Lou Cannon: Trump Is Not Inevitable

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Wednesday, 24 Feb 2016

There's no question Donald Trump is on a big roll — but it's premature to say he's a shoo-in for the Republican presidential nomination, veteran journalist Lou Cannon writes in column for RealClearPolitics.com.

"It's really silly to anoint Trump, who has yet to be tested in a big-state primary against a smaller field, as the Republican nominee on the basis of a loss in Iowa and victories in New Hampshire and South Carolina," says Cannon, who worked for The Washington Post for 25 years.

Cannon points out that:

With Tuesday night's win in the Nevada caucuses, Trump has only 79 of the 1,237 delegates needed.

Trump had the lowest percentage of any South Carolina primary winner in the last 10 contests.

It's hard to see Jeb Bush supporters jump on the Trump bandwagon, even though the billionaire developer says they will.

Some 28 percent of Republicans vow never vote for him; and Gallup polls reveal he has the most unfavorable ratings of presidential candidate in modern history.

Cannon, who covered Ronald Reagan's challenge of President Gerald Ford in 1976, recalls how Reagan lost the first six primaries.

"The situation was so bleak in the Reagan camp that some aides were privately exploring jobs in Ford's fall campaign. But Reagan did not quit on Reagan," he said.

"There's no Reagan in this campaign, although [Ohio Gov. John] Kasich is similarly level-headed, but there's no presidential incumbent either."

Cannon is the author of  "President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime," published by PublicAffairs.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1226 on: February 24, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
Nevada Was Great For Donald Trump, Bad For Ted Cruz
By NATE SILVER and HARRY ENTEN
FEB 24, 2016

Let’s get right to the point: Donald Trump had a great night, easily winning the Nevada GOP caucuses on Tuesday. The 46 percent of the vote he received is by far the highest share won by Trump, or any other Republican, in any state so far. Marco Rubio placed a distant second, with 24 percent of the vote, and Ted Cruz finished in third with 21 percent.

If South Carolina, which Trump won Saturday, provided some bits of good news for Trump skeptics — Trump faded over the course of the week and finished with less of the vote than he had in New Hampshire — his victory in Nevada was much more emphatic. Trump proved he could win in a relatively low-turnout environment,1 suggesting that his lack of a traditional “ground game” may not be that harmful to him.

The result underscores that preventing Trump from winning the nomination is likely to require both that anti-Trump Republicans coalesce around an alternative and that they adopt a much more aggressive strategy in probing Trump for signs of weakness. On the first point, anti-Trump Republicans have made some progress: Rubio, who narrowly finished second in both South Carolina and Nevada, has received a cavalcade of endorsements in recent days as Republican “party elites” have increasingly rallied around him as the top alternative to Trump.

But there are not yet many signs of a concerted effort to attack Trump. Instead, reports from Politico and other news organizations suggest that potential conservative donors are largely sitting on the sidelines. Remarkably little advertising money has been spent against Trump so far, especially given his position in the race. Rubio has also conspicuously avoided attacking Trump.

Here are a few other stray thoughts about the Nevada result — written early in the morning from New York and not, unfortunately, the New York-New York Hotel and Casino:

There were a lot of reports about voting irregularities. Although it’s hard to say exactly how widespread these issues were, they are nevertheless another reason to prefer primaries to caucuses — and they may put Nevada’s status as a “first four” state in jeopardy in 2020 and beyond. They don’t, however, invalidate Trump’s win. One of the functions of polling is to provide a check against profound voting irregularities, and the results in Nevada were reasonably in line with both pre-election polls and the entrance poll in the state.

Tuesday night’s results were very bad news for Cruz. It’s not just that it was his third third-place finish in a row. It’s also how Cruz lost. He carried only 27 percent of the white born-again and evangelical Christian vote, behind Trump’s 41 percent. Cruz also lost this group in New Hampshire and South Carolina. But, unlike in South Carolina, Cruz also trailed among “very conservative” voters in Nevada, 34 percent to Trump’s 38 percent. Finally, Cruz continues to struggle among “somewhat conservative” and moderate voters. He earned just 16 percent and 7 percent among those groups, respectively, according to the entrance poll.

How about Rubio? Well, he just got blown out by Trump in a state that was once thought to be the most favorable for him of the first four contests. He’ll also have to suffer through a few news cycles of mockery over his second-place “victories.” The good news for Rubio: He beat Cruz for the second state in a row. No, second place is not winning, but Rubio would have better chances against Trump in a smaller field, and the fastest way to shrink the field is to beat Cruz. Rubio did beat his polling average for the third time in four states, although there were no Nevada polls conducted after South Carolina.

Did Trump win Hispanics in Nevada? You can be sure that Trump will tell us he did! There was a lot of nerd-fighting over who won the Hispanic vote in the Democratic caucuses in Nevada, and we suspect there will be some over the Republican caucuses as well. Indeed, the entrance poll had Trump beating Rubio 45 percent to 28 percent among Hispanics. But keep in mind that the sample size on that result is somewhere between 100 and 200 people. That means the margin of sampling error for the Hispanic subgroup is near +/- 10 percentage points (or even higher). Perhaps more importantly, just 8 percent of Republican voters were Hispanic (or 1 percent of the Nevadan Hispanic population), and they are not politically representative of the larger Hispanic community.

One not-so-great sign for Trump: As was also the case in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, he didn’t perform as well with late-deciding voters. Instead, Rubio easily won the plurality among people who decided whom to vote for in the past few days, according to the entrance poll. But in Nevada, the share of late-deciders was considerably lower than in the first three states, and Trump dominated among voters who decided early.

Lastly, we should keep in mind that this was just one state. Trump won 46 percent of the vote, blasting through his 33 percent (or thereabouts) ceiling, right? Not totally. It’s been clear for a while that Nevada Republicans loved Trump. As far back as October, polls have had Trump beating his national averages in Nevada. Meanwhile, Morning Consult polls, which have had Trump averaging 36 percent nationally over the course of the Republican primary, had Trump at 48 percent in Nevada. Believe it or not, states are not all the same! Recent polls have shown Trump getting anywhere from 50 percent of the Republican vote in Massachusetts to 18 percent in Utah. It’s certainly possible that Trump uses his momentum from Nevada to propel himself to even greater heights. But sometimes what’s billed as “momentum” is really just demographic and cultural variance among different states.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/nevada-caucus-results-donald-trump-2016-republican-primary/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1227 on: February 24, 2016, 08:29:31 AM »
Lou Cannon: Trump Is Not Inevitable

LOL!  These articles are funny.   I said the opposite back in summer 2015 when Trump announced.   The base of the party is angry, ignorant, and politically uninformed.  Trump is their guy.

I have an in-law that I dislike greatly.   Hates other races, collects DUIs, smokes pot, cheats on his woman... total scumbag... and he likes Trump because "it's time we change things".  This inept, leech on society has no clue about politics, he just wants to be part of something.   

I dislike the trump fanboys.  I mock those who deny their voting power.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1228 on: February 24, 2016, 08:30:05 AM »
Current delegate count (1237 needed to win):

Trump     82
Cruz       17
Rubio      16
Kasich     6   
Carson    4
Bush       4

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1229 on: February 25, 2016, 09:38:24 AM »
Here's How to Defeat Trump

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By Jonah Goldberg   |   Wednesday, 24 Feb 2016

As things stand, Donald Trump is the presumptive GOP nominee. That's awful news, and depressing to contemplate. But terrible possibilities don't become less terrible if we refuse to contemplate them. Rather, they become more likely.

The GOP's collective desire to look away has been a problem for months. Nearly everyone, including yours truly, believed that Trump's candidacy would exhaust itself on its own terms. There are many reasons why that hasn't happened. Chief among them: Too many people thought it was someone else's job to bell the Trumpian cat. No better evidence for this can be found than the fact that of the $215 million spent by super PACs so far this cycle, only 4 percent was spent attacking Trump, according to the Washington Post.

While a queue for allotments of blame would be longer than a Great Depression breadline, the person at the head of it is Ted Cruz. For months, Cruz embraced Trump as a comrade-in-arms. This helped send the signal to talk radio hosts and various conservative activists that Trump was as a healthy addition to the political conversation.

Even though the two men are wildly divergent ideologically, they both found shelter under the "anti-establishment" umbrella.

Cruz finally broke the clinch in Iowa and demonstrated that negative attacks on Trump work.

But then, disastrously, Cruz stopped attacking. He wrongly reasoned that he had no chance in New Hampshire and had little to gain, so why bother fighting Trump there?

For the entire crucial week leading up to the New Hampshire primary, the GOP field went back into a cannibalistic frenzy to win the non-Trump mantle. This allowed Trump to run up a huge victory in the Granite State, and that momentum let him gobble up Cruz's evangelical base in South Carolina (where 73 percent of voters describe themselves as evangelical or born-again), resulting in a strategically devastating third-place finish that shattered Cruz's claim to be the standard-bearer of true conservatism.

The morals of this story so far should be familiar. First, you can't count on politicians to look beyond their immediate tactical self-interest. Second, rumors of the so-called establishment's power, or even existence, are greatly exaggerated. Waiting for "the establishment" to save the party from Trump's hostile takeover is like waiting for Godot to bring the beer to the party.

Marco Rubio is now the only plausible alternative to Trump. But it's unclear whether he's taken either of these lessons to heart.

According to his campaign's post-South Carolina strategy memo, he thinks he can wait until after Super Tuesday to post a win in any state. Rubio assumes first-place finishes will ultimately come his way because the field will be clear. Will it?

Jeb Bush is finally out, but Ben Carson seems to be running one of the most ingeniously disguised book tours in modern memory. John Kasich is hunting windmills in Ohio and Michigan, in the apparent hope that he can parlay such victories into being Trump's running mate. And Cruz is unlikely to stop running for president because that's all he knows how to do.

Rubio's strategy isn't crazy, just implausible. If he's hoping the "establishment" can rescue him, or that attacking everyone but Trump is the route to victory, he should take a moment to review how the primaries became such a raging garbage fire in the first place.

Is there another way? One possibility would be for Rubio and Cruz to cut a deal. Republican disarray is largely attributable to the fact that no so-called "establishment candidate" secured much support from the conservative grass roots, and no grass-roots candidate secured much support from the establishment.

If the two factions, which make up the overwhelming majority of Republican voters, could be unified, it might be enough to stop Trump.

What would the deal look like? A Rubio-Cruz ticket. Cruz won't work at the top of the ticket for the simple reason that too many GOP quislings fear Cruz more than Trump. But a unity ticket, a la Reagan-Bush in 1980, in the form of Los Hermanos Cubanos might just do the trick. There are real costs to such a deal (not least the fact that there are better general-election running mates for Rubio).

Maybe there's another way, but I haven't heard it. And in a race where Trump has changed everything with his boldness, it's long past time for his opponents to provide some of their own.

http://www.newsmax.com/JonahGoldberg/trump-cruz-rubio/2016/02/24/id/715840/#ixzz41CbNBgcb

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1230 on: February 25, 2016, 12:09:19 PM »
Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam endorses Marco Rubio
Joey Garrison and Dave Boucher
February 25, 2016

Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam has endorsed Marco Rubio in the Republican presidential primary, signaling the mounting GOP establishment support for the U.S. senator from Florida amid the rise of frontrunner Donald Trump.

Haslam and the Rubio campaign announced the endorsement Thursday morning, capping what had been days of speculation on whether the two-term governor would endorse Rubio.

It is unclear whether Tennessee U.S. Sens. Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker — both political allies of the governor — will join Haslam and endorse ahead of next week’s Super Tuesday primary in Tennessee. Corker told Roll Call this week he didn't plan to make any endorsements. Alexander has said the same thing, although a spokeswoman didn't immediately respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

Early voting Tennessee ended two days ago ahead of election day on Tuesday.

“To win in November, conservatives need a candidate who inspires Americans from all backgrounds,” Haslam said in a statement. “With Marco standing next to Hillary Clinton on a debate stage, the choice between the future and the past will be clear to every American.

“Marco has the innovative policy agenda to reclaim the American Dream for all our people, and his conservative ideas will bring the Republican Party — and America — into the future.”

The Associated Press first reported Haslam’s endorsement, which is the subject of a new Rubio campaign television advertisement that features Haslam speaking.

Many with close Haslam ties — including current Economic and Community Development Commissioner Randy Boyd and former ECD Commissioner Bill Hagerty — had been members of the Tennessee leadership team for presidential candidate and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

When Bush dropped out of the race after his loss in Saturday’s South Carolina primary, pressure started to build for Haslam — as well as Alexander and Corker — to get behind Rubio, who has quickly garnered backing from mainstream Republicans nationally.

Other recent Rubio endorsements include 1996 GOP presidential candidate and former U.S. Sen. Bob Dole, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson.

Tennessee has 58 delegates up for grabs on Super Tuesday, the third most of any of the 12 states that hold Republican primaries.

Rubio has lagged far behind Trump and U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz in Tennessee polls on the Republican primary, but more than 3,500 people came to Franklin on Sunday to hear him speak, making it the largest crowd for a rally for Rubio up to that point.

A record number of people voted early during this year’s presidential primary in Tennessee, with two-thirds of the 385,653 Tennessee voters casting ballots in the Republican primary.

Earlier this week, Haslam hinted that an endorsement from him was coming, though he stopped short of naming a candidate. He was coy, saying he’s “having conversations with those running for office as well as other people around the country.”

Tennessee’s last two Republican primary winners were former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee  in 2008 and U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum in 2012. Both benefited from strong support from evangelical Christians and weren’t the top picks of establishment Republicans.

Four years ago, Haslam endorsed Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who finished second in the Tennessee primary.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/25/tennessee-gov-bill-haslam-endorses-marco-rubio/80922428/

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1231 on: February 25, 2016, 01:06:43 PM »
FYI: Debate on later (1730 Pacific Time, 2030 Eastern Time) CNN

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« Reply #1232 on: February 25, 2016, 05:58:32 PM »
Good debate.  Worth watching, IMO.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1233 on: February 25, 2016, 06:07:08 PM »
240: Do you still think Trump will pick Rubio to run w him?

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1234 on: February 25, 2016, 06:39:28 PM »
this audience is packed with rubio cheerleaders.   

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1235 on: February 26, 2016, 06:16:25 AM »
I am so sick of these stacked audiences.  It is just so wrong.

Rubio's hit on Trump was a good one, regarding the Polish workers.  Nevermind that Rubio is just that bad and worse, though.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1236 on: February 26, 2016, 09:00:53 AM »
Caught most of the Republican debate.  Turned into a playground fight, thanks to Trump.  He is an absolute joke.  When pressed about how he would make Mexico pay for the wall, his sole substantive response was:  "I will."  That's it. 

And he acted butt-hurt when talking about the former Mexico president using an expletive when talking about the wall.  Also said the wall "just got ten feet higher."  So as president, when he gets offended, he will change his policy decisions as part of his little tantrum.  I seriously cannot believe this is happening.  This ranks up there with the Democrats legitimizing Al Sharpton.

Rubio did a great job.  Smacked Trump in the mouth, repeatedly.  I typically do not like personal attacks during debates, but Trump is a bully and that is precisely what he needs.  When Trump attacked Rubio, he responded by saying if Donald Trump had not inherited $200 million he’d be selling watches in Manhattan.  One of the best laugh out loud moments of the campaign season for me.   :)

Trump looked and sounded horrible.  Could not really address his healthcare plan, his foreign policy, hiring of illegals for his own company, refusal to release tax returns, and his Trump University. 

Cruz did a great job taking on Trump.  He would beat the crap out of Trump or Hillary in a one-on-one debate. 

Kasich was good, but he is going nowhere. 

Felt sorry for Dr. Carson.  Completely ignored by CNN.  Very disrespectful to him IMO.

CNN completely lost control of the debate.  I almost felt sorry for them. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1237 on: February 26, 2016, 09:08:32 AM »
How Marco Rubio Could Lose Every State on Super Tuesday and Still Win
Nate Cohn  @Nate_Cohn
FEB. 26, 2016

Marco Rubio has not won a state, a fact that worries allies and pleases skeptics who mock his chances to win the Republican presidential nomination.

It doesn’t even sound as if the Rubio team knows when it will win one.

Can this strategy really work? Could he really lose every state on Super Tuesday and still stand a chance of becoming the nominee?

The delegate math says yes. No, it wouldn’t be optimal for Mr. Rubio to lose all 12 contests on March 1, Super Tuesday. His chances of amassing an outright majority of delegates, and becoming the presumptive nominee before the convention, would be quite low. But he would still have a real chance to take a clear delegate lead over Donald Trump, and win the nomination.

That window closes March 15. On that day a slew of big winner-take-all states will vote. If Mr. Rubio can’t hold his own in those states — Illinois, Ohio, Florida, Missouri and North Carolina — it will become extremely difficult for him to finish the primary season with a lead in pledged delegates. His more realistic strategy then would be to deny Mr. Trump a majority and hope to win at a contested convention.

So, yes, the delegate math works. The problem for Mr. Rubio isn’t the math; it’s winning even the small number of states needed to pull it off.

The Rules Buy Time for Rubio

The Republican delegate rules, relative to those for the Democrats, are biased toward candidates who win. That makes it very easy to imagine how Mr. Trump could sweep to the nomination over a divided field.

But that’s not so true before March 15, when party rules prevent states from apportioning their delegates on a winner-take-all basis. Most states wound up splitting their delegates, awarding a pool of at-large delegates proportionally by the percentage of the vote and awarding other delegates to the candidates who lead in each congressional district.

As a result, it will be difficult on Super Tuesday for Mr. Trump to amass a significant majority of delegates if the other two major candidates — Mr. Rubio and Ted Cruz — clear the thresholds (at highest 20 percent) for earning proportional delegates. It seemed quite possible a few weeks ago that Mr. Trump could build a big lead on Super Tuesday, but Jeb Bush’s exit from the race and the big bump in Mr. Rubio’s poll numbers make it far less likely that Mr. Trump can pull that off.

Imagine, for a moment, that the candidates fare about as well on Super Tuesday as they have through the first four contests. Given the types of states in play on Super Tuesday, perhaps that yields something like a 34-25-25 percent split between Mr. Trump, Mr. Rubio and Mr. Cruz.

In this scenario, Mr. Trump claims a clear edge in delegate accumulation but not a majority. He gets 279 delegates, or just 44 percent of the delegates at stake, while Mr. Rubio receives 164 delegates.

It’s a respectable tally for Mr. Rubio, even though he loses every state. That’s because he clears 20 percent in every state. That scenario includes Texas, where the most delegates are at stake on Super Tuesday and where Mr. Rubio is in the most danger of missing the delegate threshold because of Mr. Cruz’s home-state popularity. For anyone counting delegates, whether Mr. Rubio reaches 20 percent in Texas is a lot more important than anything else.

Supposing that Mr. Rubio clears all of these thresholds, he has two big objectives: beating Mr. Cruz in the South, in hopes of driving him from the race, and winning a state or two. His schedule reflects this strategy. He’s visiting a host of Southern states where Mr. Cruz is hoping to do well, and where delegate thresholds still pose some risk to his ability to deny Mr. Trump a majority of delegates. He’s spending all of Sunday in Virginia, which should be one of his best states because of its mix of religious and well-educated voters. Virginia is a clear momentum play (the lift that could come from finally winning); the state uses a purely proportional delegate system, so there are fewer delegates to be gained there than by winning just about anywhere else. Minnesota would seem to be another good option for Mr. Rubio.

The deficit for Mr. Rubio after Super Tuesday in this scenario — 181 over all and 115 from Super Tuesday — would not be especially big. If Mr. Rubio won Florida — a winner-take-all state worth 99 delegates — it could balance out nearly all losses from Super Tuesday.

Then All Eyes Are on March 15

But for the same reason Mr. Rubio can erase so much damage by winning in Florida on March 15, he can’t afford to lose on March 15 either.

Ohio and Florida will award their delegates on a winner-take-all basis. Missouri will award its delegates on a winner-take-all basis by congressional district, and Illinois isn’t much different. North Carolina, on the other hand, awards its delegates proportionally. It figures less prominently in the delegate math and as a result the candidates are unlikely to spend money there on television advertisements or campaign stops.

If Mr. Trump swept the day in the same way he is expected to sweep Super Tuesday, he would net nearly three times as many delegates as he would on Super Tuesday, defeating Mr. Rubio, 282 delegates to 40. For Mr. Rubio, winning Florida would make Mr. Trump’s advantage a more manageable 183 to 139, but his hole would start looking pretty deep.

With that sort of a deficit, Mr. Rubio’s chances of winning a majority of delegates would all but evaporate.

Even if Mr. Rubio swept on March 15 and started doing as well as Mitt Romney did at that stage in 2012, he would barely edge ahead of Mr. Trump in the pledged delegate count. And of course, there would be plenty of reason to question whether Mr. Rubio could really do so well after losing so many states to that point.

Delegate Math Isn’t The Problem

Winning by March 15 is what matters for Mr. Rubio, not the math.

It’s not going to be easy. The Republican establishment is flocking to him, but the escalating pace of the primary season makes it harder for him to take advantage of growing support from the party. There’s not much time for him to raise money, and whatever he does raise will be spread fairly thin.

The party isn’t fully unified either, with Mr. Cruz and particularly John Kasich remaining in the race. Mr. Trump holds between 30 and 40 percent of the vote, most national surveys say, so it is very difficult for Mr. Rubio to overtake him when votes are siphoned off by another candidate. If Mr. Kasich remains in the race, his home state of Ohio will be very difficult for Mr. Rubio to win.

There’s a final issue: Some big winner-take-all and winner-take-most states aren’t necessarily favorable ground for him.

The Winner-Take-All States Seem Promising for Trump
If the rest of the country votes the way the first four states did, Donald Trump will have an edge in the big winner-take-all contests.

New Jersey
Delaware
Florida
Ohio
United States
Arizona
Montana
South Dakota
Nebraska
43.6
40.2
39.4
37.0
35.3
33.9
31.5
30.5
27.8

Source: Upshot analysis of election results in South Carolina, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire.
Mr. Trump has tended to fare best with less educated and less religious voters. There’s also evidence he does better in places with a larger nonwhite population. Florida and Ohio fit the bill. And separately New Jersey also shapes up well for him later in the calendar. They’re all projected to be above-average states for Mr. Trump based on the results so far (though obviously this can change, and it doesn’t account for a potential home-state edge for Mr. Rubio in Florida and Mr. Kasich in Ohio).

New Quinnipiac surveys show Mr. Trump ahead in Ohio and Florida.

Rubio Needs Others To Quit

But there is one important bit of good news for Mr. Rubio: the struggles of Ted Cruz. He has finished third in two consecutive contests where he had hoped to perform well. He is in danger of being shut out on Super Tuesday; he could even lose his home state, Texas. Polls show him falling behind Mr. Rubio in other Southern states like Georgia and Oklahoma.

The Cruz campaign has always been clear that it is counting on a strong showing on Super Tuesday, and Mr. Cruz’s path to the nomination would look exceptionally bleak if he fared as poorly on March 1 as he did in South Carolina and Nevada. It could be enough to force him from the race. Mr. Kasich’s play is less clear, but he could quit if he finishes poorly in Michigan on March 8.

If Mr. Cruz or Mr. Kasich exited, it would give Mr. Rubio the chance to build a coalition of ideologically consistent conservative voters and more mainstream, well-educated conservatives. The onset of a real one-on-one race would pose a real challenge to Mr. Trump, who would finally be forced to build a majority coalition.

So far, more G.O.P. voters tell pollsters they would definitely oppose Mr. Trump than currently support him, which at least raises the possibility that Mr. Rubio could prevail in a one-on-one fight. Polls pitting the two against each other have shown a tight race or even a lead for Mr. Rubio.

Mr. Trump would also have to overcome a barrage of negative television advertisements — something he hasn’t had to face very much of so far.

Whether Mr. Rubio could in fact consolidate the preponderance of Mr. Kasich or Mr. Cruz’s supporters is hard to say.

But whether it happens before March 15 could easily decide the outcome of the Republican race.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/upshot/how-marco-rubio-could-lose-every-state-on-super-tuesday-and-still-win.html?_r=1

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1238 on: February 26, 2016, 10:10:59 AM »

Matt Walsh: Finally, Cruz and Rubio surrounded and decimated Trump



Quick analysis of the debate.

One word: Finally.

Cruz and Rubio surrounded Trump and absolutely decimated him. They attacked his record, his integrity, his character. They interrupted him and talked over him. Rubio in particular was vicious. At a few points he laughed in Trump's face. He made Trump look ridiculous and treated him like a clown.

And that's exactly what they both needed to do, and it's exactly what Trump deserves. The great mystery is why they waited 7 months to do it.

Think about it: There have been approximately 87 debates, and all of the candidates have been on TV approximately 18 million times, double that for Trump, yet this is the FIRST TIME anyone has brought up the fact that Trump is CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD. Rubio hit Trump on this point repeatedly, thank God, but it's the first time any of the candidates breathed a word of it. Rubio also feasted on Trump for hiring illegal immigrants (yes, Trump is the "nationalist" candidate who hires foreign illegals to build his skyscrapers) and being fined a million dollars for it, and again, this has not come up on the campaign trail before.

I'm ecstatic that they both have apparently learned their lesson, I'm flabbergasted that it took this long, and I hope they keep it up. Trump is a fool, a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite, and that's how you must treat him. Make him look like a little boy. Make him look like a buffoon. Refuse to take him seriously. You beat Trump by dragging his skeletons out of the closet, by exposing his secrets, by mocking him ruthlessly. That's how you defeat the King Clown, and it's what I've been saying for months. And it's what Rubio and Cruz did tonight, finally, praise God.

Watching Trump be harassed and flummoxed all night was a great moment for America. It was such a patriotic moment that a bald eagle flew into my living room and wept tears of joy. I'm not kidding. That actually happened.

I don't know if this will matter. Trump's fans are infatuated with him and have sacrificed their reason on the altar of celebrity worship. But if there's any chance of stopping him, this is how it's done. You eat him alive, figuratively speaking, until only bones remain. That's the only way to do it. I've been trying to tell you guys this from the beginning. Rubio and Cruz seemed to have caught on tonight. Let's hope it matters in the end, although I'm afraid it might be too late.


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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1239 on: February 26, 2016, 10:16:33 AM »
Matt Walsh: Finally, Cruz and Rubio surrounded and decimated Trump



Quick analysis of the debate.

One word: Finally.

Cruz and Rubio surrounded Trump and absolutely decimated him. They attacked his record, his integrity, his character. They interrupted him and talked over him. Rubio in particular was vicious. At a few points he laughed in Trump's face. He made Trump look ridiculous and treated him like a clown.

And that's exactly what they both needed to do, and it's exactly what Trump deserves. The great mystery is why they waited 7 months to do it.

Think about it: There have been approximately 87 debates, and all of the candidates have been on TV approximately 18 million times, double that for Trump, yet this is the FIRST TIME anyone has brought up the fact that Trump is CURRENTLY BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASSIVE FINANCIAL FRAUD. Rubio hit Trump on this point repeatedly, thank God, but it's the first time any of the candidates breathed a word of it. Rubio also feasted on Trump for hiring illegal immigrants (yes, Trump is the "nationalist" candidate who hires foreign illegals to build his skyscrapers) and being fined a million dollars for it, and again, this has not come up on the campaign trail before.

I'm ecstatic that they both have apparently learned their lesson, I'm flabbergasted that it took this long, and I hope they keep it up. Trump is a fool, a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite, and that's how you must treat him. Make him look like a little boy. Make him look like a buffoon. Refuse to take him seriously. You beat Trump by dragging his skeletons out of the closet, by exposing his secrets, by mocking him ruthlessly. That's how you defeat the King Clown, and it's what I've been saying for months. And it's what Rubio and Cruz did tonight, finally, praise God.

Watching Trump be harassed and flummoxed all night was a great moment for America. It was such a patriotic moment that a bald eagle flew into my living room and wept tears of joy. I'm not kidding. That actually happened.

I don't know if this will matter. Trump's fans are infatuated with him and have sacrificed their reason on the altar of celebrity worship. But if there's any chance of stopping him, this is how it's done. You eat him alive, figuratively speaking, until only bones remain. That's the only way to do it. I've been trying to tell you guys this from the beginning. Rubio and Cruz seemed to have caught on tonight. Let's hope it matters in the end, although I'm afraid it might be too late.



About time.

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« Reply #1240 on: February 26, 2016, 10:26:58 AM »
About time.

Its probably too late to help.

They both sat back and never attacked Trump as they thought he would implode on his own and they wanted not to offend his supporters as to pick many of them up afterwards, but the self implosion never happened.


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« Reply #1241 on: February 26, 2016, 11:08:54 AM »
Its probably too late to help.

They both sat back and never attacked Trump as they thought he would implode on his own and they wanted not to offend his supporters as to pick many of them up afterwards, but the self implosion never happened.



I agree they waited too long.  They need to tell the truth about him and continue to punch him in the face.  The media will continue to pump him up and his true believers don't care, but they can educate some of the voters at least. 

I really cannot believe what I'm seeing.  He is the biggest fraud I've seen since . . . . President Obama.   :-\ 

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« Reply #1242 on: February 26, 2016, 02:08:10 PM »
Finally.  Thank you.

Rubio to Supporters: Trump Is 'Con Artist' – 'Kicked and Screamed'
 

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By Sandy Fitzgerald   |    Friday, 26 Feb 2016

Marco Rubio wasted little time in continuing his attack on Donald Trump.

On Friday morning, Rubio sent a signed email to supporters declaring "Donald Trump is a con-artist trying to hijack the conservative movement and the Republican Party."

Rubio hit Trump for his debate performance, noting that Trump "kicked and screamed, tried to bully his opponents," but failed to offer any real plan for fixing the nation’s problems.

The Florida Senator said Trump had used "one-liners" and "smoke-screens," but had little to show in his own record.

"I'm the only candidate who actually stopped the ObamaCare insurer bailout and has passed tough new sanctions on America's enemies," Rubio wrote.

Rubio, coming off a strong presidential debate performance Thursday night, also said on several network news programs Friday morning that Trump is damaging the Republican Party and he plans on stopping the real-estate mogul and reality television star.

"No way, the party of Ronald Reagan and the conservative movement, I'll allow it to be taken over by a con artist," the Florida Senator told  ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America."

"He calls me a choker. He's a con artist. He spent 40 years sticking it to the people he claims to be fighting for."

Rubio, who has until now not made many attacks on Trump, told George Stephanopoulos he doesn't think his debate attacks on Trump are coming too late to make a difference in the race.

"I think it's important for people to understand they have a choice to make," Rubio said. "If this pattern continues, the conservative movement in the Republican Party will be taken over by a con artist portraying himself as the fighter of the ordinary person fighting for the working man, but he spent years sticking it to the working people."

He told Stephanopoulos that he didn't make the case against Trump earlier because he didn't want to get into an attack situation, "but the coverage he's getting from the media these days is extraordinary."

"They're like, 'What is Trump going to do to Marco Rubio? Like he's some sort of invincible force and there are people now in the media, I'm not saying you, but others rooting for him to win because they love, first of all, what it means for their ratings in a general election," the Florida senator continued.

The senator repeated his "con artist" argument on NBC's "Today" show, and CBS' "This Morning" programs, indicating to both that he'll continue that attack.

"Again, this guy is a con artist," Rubio told the "Today" show. "He's always making things up and no one holds him accountable for it. You have a guy who is being sued right now for fraud for Trump University."

Rubio complained that stories have been written about his driving record for receiving "red light camera tickets," and about when he was 18, he got cited for drinking beer in a park.

"He's being sued for fraud, for defrauding people," Rubio told NBC. "He had to pay a judgment for hiring Polish workers illegally to build Trump Towers. He's being treated with kid gloves by many in the media, in the hopes he's the nominee.

"They'd love to see a liberal like Donald Trump take over the Republican Party. Others know he's easy to beat once he gets there. Hillary Clinton would take him apart."

But for "those biased," electing Trump would mean "you will have a Republican nominee who basically agrees with Hillary Clinton on Planned Parenthood and being neutral on Israel, even on issues regarding the economy like the takeover of our healthcare system by the government," he told Stephanopoulos.

This means, said Rubio, that the media is holding back on Trump "and as soon as he's the nominee they'll open up the floodgates and hit him with a bunch of stories. It's important for Republicans and conservatives to be aware of what is happening."

Rubio also acknowledged he's an underdog in the race and that he's been one his entire life, telling Stephanopoulos that unlike Trump, "I didn't inherit hundreds of millions. My dad was a bartender. My mother did the job as a maid that Trump hires foreigners to do and my whole life I've had to fight and will fight now."

Rubio further predicted that he'll win his home state's race despite polls showing Trump is leading by double digit results.

"That's one poll," said Rubio. "We've seen multiple polls that show a very different race. I know Florida well. I've won there. I'm from there. We are going to win Florida. Florida is not going to vote for a con artist and it's not going to vote for someone who in Palm Beach right now is not hiring willing Americans that are willing to work.

 "Instead, he's importing a workforce from abroad and is out there as some immigration crusader. It's a fraud and we'll expose it."

 Rubio told NBC that he plans to release his income taxes soon, and noted that rival candidate Ted Cruz had a good point in the debate:



"We need to see the returns to see if the difference between the audited version and what he filed are evidence of wrongdoing. I think the reason why Donald won't release his taxes is he hasn't made nearly as much money as he claims he does."

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1243 on: February 26, 2016, 02:26:28 PM »
almost nobody watching that debate got their mind changed at this point.

we all enjoy the drama, but only a friggin' fool is saying "oh, rubio had some good one-liners, so I'll completely abandon my ingrained beliefs about immigration and change from Cruz to Rubio..."

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« Reply #1244 on: February 26, 2016, 04:03:56 PM »
Nothing changed.

Rubio stills sucks on immigration and right or wrong, Cruz has taken a big hit because of his perceived shady campaign technique issues.

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« Reply #1245 on: February 26, 2016, 04:49:41 PM »
Nothing changed.

Rubio stills sucks on immigration and right or wrong, Cruz has taken a big hit because of his perceived shady campaign technique issues.

and Trump is still an empty suit, unable to identify his domestic or foreign policy plans . . . .

Or as Rubio has been saying today, he's a con artist. 

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« Reply #1246 on: February 26, 2016, 05:26:30 PM »
I've lost faith in the system with its phony audiences, and I've lost hope in finding a good candidate who stands any chance at all.

This country is in trouble and there's no denying it.

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« Reply #1247 on: February 26, 2016, 06:33:48 PM »
It's the people's fault.  We used to reject candidates who acted without dignity.  Now we give them front runner status. 

These are voters who like 15 girls pics every time they sit down to crap.  They blog about their.breakfasts.  They check in at Walmart lol. 

Generation shit.  Of course they prefer trump. 

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« Reply #1248 on: February 26, 2016, 06:43:15 PM »
It's the people's fault.  We used to reject candidates who acted without dignity.  Now we give them front runner status. 

These are voters who like 15 girls pics every time they sit down to crap.  They blog about their.breakfasts.  They check in at Walmart lol. 

Generation shit.  Of course they prefer trump. 

But then we have the rigged audiences and dirty tricks, and everyone tries to out-con one another.  Small wonder the candidates suck.

Yeah, it was kinda dumb for me to try to defend Trump.  But I'm done with the entire mess and only hope things will be better next time (lol...right).

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« Reply #1249 on: February 29, 2016, 09:09:05 AM »
Sen. Alexander endorses Rubio: 'The stakes are high'
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February 28, 2016

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) is endorsing Marco Rubio’s White House bid, the Florida senator's campaign announced early Sunday.

"Marco Rubio is the conservative candidate who can inspire us, win the election, and lead our country," Alexander said in a statement. "The stakes are high. If our nominee does not win, Hillary Clinton’s justices will control the Supreme Court for 30 years and we’ll be stuck with Obamacare forever.

"I have watched Marco up close. I have seen him take the lead in passing new laws to impose tough new sanctions on Hezbollah terrorists, and to get rid of incompetent managers who weren’t doing their jobs to help veterans. He has proposed good new ideas for giving students more options for college. I am convinced he would be a strong and effective president of the United States," he added.

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