i can assert that no assertions can be made. and i proved it at the top of this page. at least in regards to finding certain truth. there are two forms of logic: deduction and induction. Deduction depends on induction for its premises, induction depends on sample size. Induction can not provide certainty (you dont know for certain the sun is going to rise tomorrow, you just know it always has in the past and thus think it very likely it will rise tomorrow.. its possible something happens that stops that from occuring.), and thus deduction can not provide certainty either.
but that is something a little different than the reason why we can make any assertions about the ultimate cause and origin of things.
we can certainly assert things, like E=MC2, and have them be true as far as we know it.
but when it comes to a question like = what caused that to happen?
A might explain B, but you first must explain A before B is actually explained. and then you must explain the explanation for A, and so on.
A causes B, B causes C, C causes D, D causes E, and E causes F. But what causes A ? Well, X causes A. but what causes X ?
now do get it ? when we speak of ultimate origin and cause we are incapable of knowing it because one can always pose questions of causality to whatever assertion is made.
yes, virtual particles "pop" into existence. lets work with that to deny causality. but why do they pop into existence?
you see, there can be no explanation. and your very right when you say "what if there is no origin?" good question ! there might not be an origin ! and then the question of ultimate origin is meaningless ! and there might not be an ultimate cause! and then the question about ultimate cause is meanginless ! BUT NEITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS WOULD REFUTE THE FACT THAT WE CAN NOT KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE ORIGIN AND CAUSE ARE IF THERE ARE SUCH THING(S) !!
as for me using somethign outside the universe to explain the universe .. thats an assumption your making. I make no assertions about what the nature of God would be if God does exist. Its possible God could be a pantheistic God, that the universe itself is God, God is the universe. Its not a very common idea but i think its the most natural of all ideas on the subject. that being said we could never know if its true or not. however, i do find it strange that you find it strange that the explanation for any given thing ought not be outside itself. is this true of any causation explanation, ever, anywhere? is the explanation for oceanic waves inside the wave itself?
is the cause for god inside god himself. you are making so many fallacies i can't keep up, are you trolling?
"you see, there can be no explanation. and your very right when you say "what if there is no origin?" good question ! there might not be an origin ! and then the question of ultimate origin is meaningless ! and there might not be an ultimate cause! and then the question about ultimate cause is meanginless ! BUT NEITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS WOULD REFUTE THE FACT THAT WE CAN NOT KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE ORIGIN AND CAUSE ARE IF THERE ARE SUCH THING(S) !! "
no i dont see how there can be no explanation, you are stating something as fact when it is just a silly opinion based on nothing. why can't we know ultimate orange? it was good shit. Seriously though, you keep stating absolutes that are absurd. How about humans keep evolving, as such the brain grows in processing and capability, eventually becoming a quantum computer of sorts. It then is able to understand origin, it becomes god like. That scenario is plausible and refutes your statment that we can not know?
you are suggesting you know something i don't nor any other human. I aware we can't explain origins, even if there is anything to explain at all, we can't say one way or the other because we simply don't have enough info. The fact that a faux singularity exists in math indicates that logic, or our logic breaks down at a certain point, thus your demand for causation etc may not even be valid. No real singularity exists, yet the planck epoch is punctuated with it's existence, is that not evidence enough that silly induction and deduction won't solve a problem that circumvents logic?
you also seem to not understand probability with the comment about the sun.You evoke some unknown that could stop it from rising, completely ignoring reality, probability, all of science, reason and observation for magical thinking. Perhaps tom the world will flip upside down and we will be walking on the ceilings, this is the type of reasoning you want me to accept, just ridiculous statements with not a hint of logic or thought behind them. If you honestly think that the universe despite our observations is that chaotic and unpredictable then I suggest reading a book.
"A causes B, B causes C, C causes D, D causes E, and E causes F. But what causes A ? Well, X causes A. but what causes X ? "
so you are stating everything needs a cause, or evoking an infinite regress, perfect this is the same arguments that have been shit on for years, hundreds of them. Especially lately with you know, quantum mechanics and all that jazz.
i bet one way you solve this riddle is stating that god needs no cause, perhaps you should look at the equation you listed above then read the laws of thermodynamics, energy fits your criteria, no magic needed.