I'm right in the middle of the 2 guys you mentioned, 5'10" 190lbs and 100mg/day of tren ace is a fucking miracle to me. Only sides I have are acne, and crazy back and calf pumps. I am on day 40 and I can't really believe the results I'm getting.
And anyone who wants to shit talk on my size, I cut to 155lbs for mma and 160lbs for wrestling and I can't let myself get above 200lbs, so I float around 175 to 190lbs, I am only looking for hardness, and strength, and then I work cardio when I have a comp. coming up for 6 to 10 weeks.
I am about 5% bf and I don't max out but I can probably bench press about 300lbs right now, and I don't do bench, only pushups and dumbells for curl, flies, shrugs, upward row and regular row, tri ext and dips. My first set of pushups to start my workout will be 60 form reps tomorrow, followed by 3 sets of 30, the inside grip, then on to curl and the rest. Once I can start riding my bike outside I will get back to cardio and mma training. If you are tired after 1 rep of a max lift, imagine doing that lift every 4 seconds for 15 minutes straight, with 1 minute break every 5 mins. That is fight shape. That is the shape I work for every year, whether I have a fight scheduled or not, haven't had one in 3 years, but maybe this is the year.