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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3125 on: April 05, 2020, 07:23:18 PM »

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3126 on: April 07, 2020, 09:10:17 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/06/navy-coronavirus-ship-theodore-roosevelt-thomas-modly


US navy official apologises for calling captain behind coronavirus memo 'naive or stupid'
Trump says he will settle dispute as acting navy secretary says sorry for criticising captain of USS Theodore Roosevelt

Modly sparked a leadership crisis at the Pentagon when an audio recording surfaced of a speech he gave to the crew of the aircraft carrier, in which he denigrated the commander he had fired for having circulated a memo calling for more help for his crew, who had been stricken by a coronavirus outbreak onboard.

The acting navy secretary’s apology came soon after Donald Trump said on Monday evening he would intervene in the situation, and hinted he might reinstate the former Roosevelt commander Captain Brett Crozier.

“His career prior to that was very good. So I’m going to get involved and see exactly what’s going on there because I don’t want to destroy somebody for having a bad day,” Trump said, while stressing that Crozier should not have circulated the memo.

Referring to Modly and Crozier, the president added: “Two good people ... they were arguing. And I’m good, believe it or not, at settling arguments … So I may look into it in great detail. And I’ll be able to figure it out very fast.”


https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-secretary-blasts-fired-aircraft-carrier-captain

Military people I know say he should have absolutely been removed.

Trump seems to be taking a pretty rational position.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3127 on: April 07, 2020, 09:18:20 AM »
Crozier definitely needed to be removed.

He cracked under the stress.

You don't take a Nuke carrier out of commission because a hundred of your crew test positive for Covid.

What was he thinking?

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3128 on: April 07, 2020, 01:13:33 PM »
Democratic state lawmaker credits President Trump and hydroxychloroquine with saving her life



https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-state-lawmaker-credits-president-024112371.html



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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3129 on: April 07, 2020, 01:17:14 PM »
Military people I know say he should have absolutely been removed.

Trump seems to be taking a pretty rational position.

What military people do you know?

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3130 on: April 07, 2020, 01:25:17 PM »
What military people do you know?

The guy broke the chain of command and CC'd like 20 people in a panic.   I understand both sides of it - but you as a captain of a carrier can't do that.  Especially a 5 pager. 

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3131 on: April 07, 2020, 01:29:31 PM »
The guy broke the chain of command and CC'd like 20 people in a panic.   I understand both sides of it - but you as a captain of a carrier can't do that.  Especially a 5 pager. 

I don't think I implied that he shouldn't have been let go. I know military people too and I've not heard them talking about it. When someone says they 'know' people, it can mean two people or a hundred. That's what I meant.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3132 on: April 07, 2020, 01:45:02 PM »
What military people do you know?

What's the point of asking this?

Do you want their names or something?

Are you going to validate my post with some sample size analysis?
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3133 on: April 07, 2020, 02:58:30 PM »
What's the point of asking this?

Do you want their names or something?

Are you going to validate my post with some sample size analysis?

You are taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too personally. People often say they know people and it is just an expression, but sometimes it actually means they know people who have some expertise about whatever topic is being discussed. Does your post need validation? What would knowing their names prove? 

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3134 on: April 07, 2020, 03:28:21 PM »
Military people I know say he should have absolutely been removed.

Trump seems to be taking a pretty rational position.

I agree.  it would have been different if it was leaked from his ship.  But he took ownership which I respect but still a mistake for a person in his position.  

Then the Navy Secretary doubled down on his mistake.  lol

Makes you wonder.... ???

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3135 on: April 07, 2020, 03:39:46 PM »
You are taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too personally. People often say they know people and it is just an expression, but sometimes it actually means they know people who have some expertise about whatever topic is being discussed. Does your post need validation? What would knowing their names prove?  

I post under the name of a 70s purple ape cartoon character with a google eyed ninja avatar - none of this is personal.

But to your point, I belong to some facebook groups, of which some have a high concentration of military/former military folks.  Some I know better than others - kind of like here.

There were threads around this, and the overwhelming majority were in support of what happend.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3136 on: April 08, 2020, 08:49:21 AM »
Modly should never have visited the ship and if he had to he should not have criticized anybody.

Just encouraged the troops to keep doing their jobs.


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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3137 on: April 08, 2020, 09:28:24 AM »
He has a point  8)
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3138 on: April 08, 2020, 02:41:23 PM »
Modly should never have visited the ship and if he had to he should not have criticized anybody.

Just encouraged the troops to keep doing their jobs.



That's what a professional would do. You can't fire someone for using poor judgement and follow it up with using poor judgement yourself. At least not in most of the world.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3139 on: April 08, 2020, 03:47:43 PM »
Modly should never have visited the ship and if he had to he should not have criticized anybody.

Just encouraged the troops to keep doing their jobs.


A minor point - they're sailors, not troops - but yes, Modly showed bad judgement.

Here's a flight deck photo from 1987.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3140 on: April 09, 2020, 12:40:23 PM »
Haven't we heard this before?   :D

Bill Gates says U.S. government can’t ‘wave a wand’ and ‘all of a sudden the economy is anything like it was before’ the coronavirus pandemic



https://finance.yahoo.com/m/458f236b-217f-3eb5-a16c-51c5f5396f6e/bill-gates-says-u.s..html



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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3141 on: April 09, 2020, 12:41:44 PM »
F*ck Bill Gates.

How much can he bench?

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3142 on: April 09, 2020, 01:05:27 PM »
F*ck Bill Gates.

How much can he bench?
He needs to go back to China.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3143 on: April 09, 2020, 03:19:24 PM »
F*ck Bill Gates.

How much can he bench?


Now he talks about creation of the "World Government" , screw him !.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3144 on: April 10, 2020, 02:58:39 PM »
Fox News Poll: Trump job approval hits new high as voters rally during crisis
By Dana Blanton | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-trump-job-approval-hits-new-high-as-voters-rally-during-crisis

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3145 on: April 10, 2020, 03:08:55 PM »
lol

Pence bars top health experts Fauci and Birx from appearing on CNN, the network says
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Vice President Mike Pence’s office is barring top public health officials from appearing on CNN, the network reported.
The ban will remain in effect until CNN agrees to carry the daily White House coronavirus briefings in their entirety, instead of breaking away after the president is done speaking, the network said it was told.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-pence-bars-fauci-and-birx-from-appearing-on-cnn.html

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3146 on: April 13, 2020, 07:13:42 PM »
In Peak 2020 Irony, President Trump Launched A Socialist-Type Program That Dwarfs Sanders’ Agenda


Senator Bernie Sanders, who recently suspended his presidential campaign, offered a self-described “Democratic Socialist” plan for America. To realize Sanders’ ideals, it would have cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars.

In peak 2020 irony, the Congress and Senate signed a unanimous bipartisan fiscal stimulation plan that dwarfs Sanders’ socialist agenda. The multitrillion-dollar package is both a corporate and individual socialist-type plan of unprecedented magnitude.

In a true capitalistic society, companies would be allowed to fail and go out of business. American citizens would have to tighten their belts and not expect any handouts from the government. This is not happening.

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who served four terms starting from around the Great Depression through World War II, enacted unheard-of social programs, such as the establishment of Social Security. Over the years, we’ve continued to adopt more empathetic social programs. Now, we’re doing this on steroids.

The following is a comparison of Sanders’ presidential platform versus what’s inside the business, economy and individual bailout program, officially called the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

Sanders, from his official website, called for the following:

Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88%
Expand Social Security benefits for all recipients and protect pensions.
Protect tenants by implementing a national rent control standard, a “just-cause” requirement for evictions, and ensuring the right to counsel in housing disputes.
 Free, high-quality child care and pre-kindergarten for all.
The Cares Act is the largest program ever enacted in America’s history to directly inject money into our economy that’s been decimated, in part, by our federal and state governments' delayed response in dealing with COVID-19.

Congress has authorized an unprecedented $2 trillion dollars to aid American citizens and companies. The mandated closures of business and stay-at-home decrees have dealt a near-fatal blow to individuals and companies alike. In the last three weeks, nearly 17 million people—10% of the workforce—filed for first-time unemployment benefits. The numbers are believed to be even higher, as state offices complained that they were so overwhelmed with people attempting to file for their benefits. Phone lines and websites were so overrun that they couldn’t process everyone. The Federal Reserve Bank predicted we can soon see nearly 50 million people unemployed.

 Here is what both large corporations and everyday people will receive:

Individuals who earn $75,000 or under that amount will receive direct payments of $1,200. Married couples who earn up to $150,000 will get $2,400.
On top of this, $500 per child will be added to that number.
About 90% of Americans would be eligible to receive full or partial payments.
Unemployment benefits will be greatly enhanced. This includes extending unemployment insurance by 13 weeks along with an additional $600 per week, over and above what the recipient would receive from their state program. They’d be eligible for 39 weeks of unemployment benefits.
The new program will include, for the first time, freelancers, furloughed employees and gig-economy workers.
This program is estimated to cost roughly $250 billion.
Roughly $367 billion in federally-guaranteed loans have been allocated to a program to help small businesses. They could obtain loans—that would be forgiven—if they don’t layoff workers for a specified time period. 
On the corporate side, troubled companies will have access to money from a Federal Reserve Bank controlled $425 billion fund. An extra $75 billion will be made available for loans and grants to airlines and hotels. 
$100 billion is available to hospitals and health systems.
About $25 billion is set aside for food stamps and nutrition for children.
Emergency education funding for colleges and universities, states and school districts amounts to $30 billion.
Student loans payments will be suspended without penalty up to September 30.
This is not the end. Our politicians in Washington are working on an additional trillion-dollar, follow-up stimulus bill.

While the Care Act doesn’t directly match Sanders’ platform, it's eerily similar in that an almost unimaginable amount of money is being handed out to people and companies. A big difference is that many of the industries, such as the airlines and aircraft manufacturers, will be bailed out.

These companies are being rewarded for their poor management decisions—including self-enrichment due to stock buybacks and arrogantly not putting money away for a crisis—that came to light in the wake of the coronavirus.   

Only in 2020 could we have a president, who is an avowed capitalist, steward the greatest Socialist program in modern history.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2020/04/13/in-peak-2020-irony-president-trump-launched-a-socialist-type-program-that-dwarfs-sanders-agenda/#60c130ba1fbc

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3147 on: April 14, 2020, 09:53:15 AM »
people in MI should lynch this swine
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3148 on: April 14, 2020, 10:12:49 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/13/trump-loses-temper-white-house-coronavirus-briefing-biggest/


Donald Trump shows 'propaganda video' as he lashes out at media at coronavirus briefing
Trump cut to a White House-produced video during Monday's conference in attempt to shame the media for critical coverage of his response


You write for CNN?

This conference was a complete beatdown the media deserved, who had been pushing a rift/possible firing of Fauci based on his words being twisted on an interview with Tapper.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #3149 on: April 14, 2020, 04:13:13 PM »
It is so awesome to a have a leader with the stones to do things like this.  Outstanding.

Trump announces US will halt funding to World Health Organization over coronavirus response
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-announces-funding-to-world-health-organization-who-halted