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US laying foundation for Iraq colonization
« on: May 12, 2008, 07:05:00 PM »
Washington drew out a draft proposal for a security deal in January 2008, a preliminary part of which was signed by officials of the two countries on March 17.

The negotiation, set to conclude in late July, will not only establish the basis for a long-term US occupation of Iraq, but will also turn the country into a US colony and yet another military base for Washington in the Middle East.

The accord with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government will replace the UN mandate and allow multinational military presence in the country.

This 'firm handshake' between the US president and the Iraqi prime minister is referred to by the Western media as the Status Of Forces Agreement (SOFA).


One look at Article 10 of the treaty makes it apparent that the US administration hopes to quietly impose the binding contract and legitimize its indefinite military presence in the country.

"As long as Iraqi security/military forces are not well-trained, security hasn't been ensured, the neighboring states pose a threat, and terrorist attacks continue, the treaty will be officially binding and both parties are obliged to implement it."

Article 1 of the treaty allows the US Army to carry out military operations in Iraq at any time and any place.

Under Article 2, American and British troops can arrest suspects at any time without the consent of the Iraqi government.

Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.

The contents of the treaty will dissipate all hopes of a sovereign Iraq, turning the country into a medieval US colony.

According to Article 4, American servicemen and non-servicemen are not obliged to attend any court hearings in Iraq, literally granting them capitulation privileges.

Article 7 puts the Iraqi ministries of defense, interior and intelligence under the direct supervision of US officials, ensuring Iraq will be officially governed by the United States.

Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq; Article 8 provides American forces with the authority to supervise arms sales as well as train Iraqi military and law enforcement personnel.

Article 9 argues that as a member of the international community Iraq must recognize Israel and unconditionally support Washington's Middle East policies.

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Re: US laying foundation for Iraq colonization
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 07:25:39 PM »
Fvckin A.  thats a one sided contract if i ever heard one.    We agree to be there and do what we want when we want, how we want ,and dont need to report to you at all.

Occupation accomplished!!!     However the worst part is we're allowing ourselves to continue fighting for them instead of setting up an independant democracy as originally stated.

The admin is trying to lock us there forever without regard for fellow Americans or Iraq's feelings on the war.


Bush and company should be tried for War crimes.  Still no WMD's which garnered congress support at the time.....all out bullshit.

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Re: US laying foundation for Iraq colonization
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 07:40:45 PM »
yeah it's one-sided.
yeah it's what things were about all along.


But...

yeah, it makes us stronger in the world.  can't deny that.  so it's a good thing.

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 08:01:04 PM »

So how is it we are colonizing the place?

Looks like a set up to give a free hand to act militarily.  Not a bad idea considering the instability of the region and the people's inability to govern themselves.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2008, 08:03:23 PM »
So how is it we are colonizing the place?

US firms chopped up some of their oil fields = foreign power arrived to take resources.
US uses place for military launching base = foreign power arrived to take strategic position.

resources and position... kinda the historical goals of colonization, to a tee!

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2008, 08:07:02 PM »
US firms chopped up some of their oil fields = foreign power arrived to take resources.
US uses place for military launching base = foreign power arrived to take strategic position.

resources and position... kinda the historical goals of colonization, to a tee!

Here's what constitutes a colony:

Dictionary:
colony
  (kŏl'ə-nē) pronunciation
 
n., pl. -nies.

   1.
         1. A group of emigrants or their descendants who settle in a distant territory but remain subject to or closely associated with the parent country.
         2. A territory thus settled.
   2. A region politically controlled by a distant country; a dependency.
   3.
         1. A group of people with the same interests or ethnic origin concentrated in a particular area: the American colony in Paris.
         2. The area occupied by such a group.

Does our occupation of Iraq satisfy any of these?

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2008, 08:08:28 PM »


yeah, it makes us stronger in the world.  can't deny that.  so it's a good thing.

Really? I tought it's been pretty well established that the war has been anyting but a success or make us stronger. Last I heard the military is stretched to the max and wouldnt be able to defend against another foreign problem properly.

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2008, 08:11:56 PM »
A group of ants can be a colony, right?  I'm not sure that applies either.

In politics and in history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. (WIKI)

The term informed colony has also been used in relation to countries which, while they have never been conquered by force or officially ruled by a foreign power, have a clearly subordinate social or economic relationship to one. (WIKI)  ;)


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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2008, 08:13:30 PM »
Really? I tought it's been pretty well established that the war has been anyting but a success or make us stronger. Last I heard the military is stretched to the max and wouldnt be able to defend against another foreign problem properly.

Yes, military stretched and we borrowed money.  There isn't another forign problem, and if there was, we have plenty of missiles to fire at them.

In cheney/bush eyes, the war is a success.  you keep the civil war going while setting up bases and oil control and a puppet govt you chose.  end of day, you manage 50 to 75 tril worth of oil, and maintain ability to kill anything in iraq yo'd like without consequence.

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2008, 08:14:03 PM »
Colony: A group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.

I'd say that America is trying to "westernize" Iraq in some fucked up way.

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2008, 08:15:12 PM »
A group of ants can be a colony, right?  I'm not sure that applies either.

In politics and in history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. (WIKI)

The term informed colony has also been used in relation to countries which, while they have never been conquered by force or officially ruled by a foreign power, have a clearly subordinate social or economic relationship to one. (WIKI)  ;)



Not on paper.  Don't they have a government? 

We are an more of an occupation.  And we are not taxing there GNP either.  Otherwise we not have this 500 billion debt.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2008, 08:18:00 PM »
Not on paper.  Don't they have a government? 

We are an more of an occupation.  And we are not taxing there GNP either.  Otherwise we not have this 500 billion debt.

Patraeus and crocker just told congress 2 weeks ago that Iraqi reconstruction will now be funded by iraqi oil revenues, not our funds.  Only 3% of allocated funds remain for reconstruction.

When you say "We are an more of an occupation", you're kinda demonstrating it was colonialism.  Even if you ignore oil, and we invaded solely to build bases - that is colonialism too- it still falls under auspices of economic relationship.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2008, 08:19:07 PM »
Colony: A group of people who leave their native country to form in a new land a settlement subject to, or connected with, the parent nation.

I'd say that America is trying to "westernize" Iraq in some fucked up way.

No one is settling in Iraq. 

And if America is trying to westernize Iraq,  I say good.  The only thing most of those religious nut jobs responded to in the past was brutality at least if they get "westernized" we won't have incidents of father killing their daughters because they expressed feelings for a boy AND they'll settle their differences the western way with commercialism and lobbies combined with the corporate fueled manipulation of the government.   At least as they get it in the ass, the western culture will act as a pain killer.

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2008, 08:20:50 PM »
No one is settling in Iraq. 

Article 3 reinforces Article 10 by asserting that there are no time limits for the presence of American forces, thus annulling the 1790 UN Security Council anti-occupation Resolution.

Article 6 allows the US to set up 41 military bases in Iraq

41 bases, forever.   I'd call that settling!

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2008, 08:21:14 PM »
Patraeus and crocker just told congress 2 weeks ago that Iraqi reconstruction will now be funded by iraqi oil revenues, not our funds.  Only 3% of allocated funds remain for reconstruction.

When you say "We are an more of an occupation", you're kinda demonstrating it was colonialism.  Even if you ignore oil, and we invaded solely to build bases - that is colonialism too- it still falls under auspices of economic relationship.

We didn't invade solely for oil.  And it's about time they started paying for shit.  We they are sending us tribute in billions every month then we can call them a colony.  Until then it's all schematics.  They are not a colony. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2008, 08:23:18 PM »
41 bases, forever.   I'd call that settling!

No, that's called establishing military bases.  Like in Germany, South Korea, Turkey etc...   are we colonizing them too?  Perhaps someone should tell their people.

Settling is moving large groups of population who stay there permanently raise families, grow old, have reunions etc.. . 

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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2008, 08:24:33 PM »
We didn't invade solely for oil.  And it's about time they started paying for shit.  We they are sending us tribute in billions every month then we can call them a colony.  Until then it's all schematics.  They are not a colony. 

We have 41 bases in their yard, forever.   Part of their oil is being managed by US firms in US dollars.

"Solely"?  Come on.  If I break in your house and rape your dog, but I also mop the floor... would you consider me a criminal?  Yes.  If we had just went in and kicked out saddam and fixed them up then left, that would have been on thing... but we are now there permanently.  There is value of that location, and we took it.  



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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2008, 08:27:40 PM »
We have 41 bases in their yard, forever.   Part of their oil is being managed by US firms in US dollars.

"Solely"?  Come on.  If I break in your house and rape your dog, but I also mop the floor... would you consider me a criminal?  Yes.  If we had just went in and kicked out saddam and fixed them up then left, that would have been on thing... but we are now there permanently.  There is value of that location, and we took it. 




Oil was one of the reasons, I'm sure.  But there was more.

Also, military bases is not colonization.   Send and e-mail to Germany, S. Korea, Turkey, the Philippines, etc...


There is plenty of legit stuff to criticize the USA about, no need to make this into something it's not.  It just makes the accuser look bad.

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2008, 08:29:38 PM »
Oil was one of the reasons, I'm sure.  But there was more.

If oil was 1% of the reason, then yes, we are a foreign power who entered a soverign nation unprovoked *partially* to control their oil.

Is it partial colonialism? 


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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2008, 08:33:33 PM »
If oil was 1% of the reason, then yes, we are a foreign power who entered a soverign nation unprovoked *partially* to control their oil.

Is it partial colonialism? 


is she kinda pregnant?

By that logic then any unprovoked invasion through history is colonization.

NO not in this case.

Colonization is mainly settling and area with people and becoming the main or exclusive profit-tee of their resources.

Even your wiki definition don't really define it.  We are occupying Iraq.  And we are actively trying not to.

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2008, 08:36:23 PM »
I'll concede everything you said above because i love this point you made:

We are occupying Iraq.  And we are actively trying not to.

PNAC document, (written by cheney, jeb, rummy and wolfy and bolton) talked about a new pearl harbor justifying series of wars to justify setting up permanent bases and control oil flow.

Is it jsut a coincidence that is exactly what is happening? 

And, are you saying that Bush/Cheney admin is working "actively" to prevent their very own clearly defined goals from completion?

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2008, 08:36:57 PM »
No one is settling in Iraq. 

And if America is trying to westernize Iraq,  I say good.  The only thing most of those religious nut jobs responded to in the past was brutality at least if they get "westernized" we won't have incidents of father killing their daughters because they expressed feelings for a boy AND they'll settle their differences the western way with commercialism and lobbies combined with the corporate fueled manipulation of the government.   At least as they get it in the ass, the western culture will act as a pain killer.

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2008, 08:37:04 PM »
BD and 240:

Is Japan a colony of the USA?

Because they meet the similar requirements you are apply to Iraq.

Because if they are,  i want a dam discount the next time a buy a Sony flat screen!

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2008, 08:39:13 PM »
I'll concede everything you said above because i love this point you made:

PNAC document, (written by cheney, jeb, rummy and wolfy and bolton) talked about a new pearl harbor justifying series of wars to justify setting up permanent bases and control oil flow.

Is it jsut a coincidence that is exactly what is happening? 

And, are you saying that Bush/Cheney admin is working "actively" to prevent their very own clearly defined goals from completion?

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2008, 08:39:57 PM »
Hey, I met this chic the other day.............  She's has the perfect ass.  She really does!  I get all warm thinking about it.   But she's also a BUSH supporter and i've been watching fox news non-stop with her......So what can i say?   ;D

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