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Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« on: May 15, 2008, 07:58:46 AM »
Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech


May 15, 2008 9:57 AM

ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: The Obama campaign is taking issue with a comment President Bush made while speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's statehood.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Watch video of Bush's comments on terror HERE.

In a statement, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., shot across the bow: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

ABC News' White House troops point out that the President has made similar statements in the past and Bush did not specifically cite Obama by name, though he did reference Sen. William Borah's immortal reaction upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland and begun World War II, something he has not highlighted in the past.

"(The President) has said similar things before," a White House official told ABC News' Martha Raddatz. "But it is in reference to a number of people, think Carter, others who have engaged in this or suggested it."

White House spokesperson Dana Perino was asked if Bush's line was a slam against Obama and she insisted, "It is not."

"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you. That is not always true and it is not true in this case," Perino added, though the White House is keenly aware of how such statements might play during a heated political season and has steadfastly avoided commenting on the 2008 race.

In an ABC News interview with the President in April, Bush told Raddatz, "I've said the president's job is to solve these issues diplomatically first and foremost. But, of course options need to stay on the table."

Vice President Dick Cheney has been more direct in criticizing the 2008 Democratic candidates, although still not by name.

"The idea that we can walk away from Iraq is, I think, terribly damaging on its face, and to say that, 'well that's the only way we can get the Iraqis to take on responsibility,' I don't believe that's the case," Cheney said in a March interview with ABC News.

Without addressing the Democratic candidates specifically, the vice president said those who want to pull out of Iraq are "seriously misguided," adding that the presidential candidates would be risking an attack on the homeland if U.S. forces withdrew, and arguing that terrorists would find safe havens in other countries.

Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., both have said they'd withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq if elected president. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has advocated a continued U.S. presence in Iraq until security and political situations improve.

When asked if he was talking about any candidate in particular, Cheney said, "I am talking about any candidate for high office who believes the solution for our problem in that part of the world is to walk away from the commitments that we've made in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/obama-takes-iss.html

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 08:03:12 AM »
Interesting....


Here what BUSH's defense Secretary said yesterday:

Gates: U.S. Should Engage Iran With Incentives, Pressure
   
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403553.html

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 15, 2008; Page A04

The United States should construct a combination of incentives and pressure to engage Iran, and may have missed earlier opportunities to begin a useful dialogue with Tehran, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said yesterday.


"We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them," Gates said. "If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can't go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us."

In the meantime, Gates told a meeting of the Academy of American Diplomacy, a group of retired diplomats, "my personal view would be we ought to look for ways outside of government to open up the channels and get more of a flow of people back and forth." Noting that "a fair number" of Iranians regularly visit the United States, he said, "We ought to increase the flow the other way . . . of Americans" visiting Iran.

"I think that may be the one opening that creates some space," Gates said.

The Bush administration has said it will talk with Iran, and consider lifting economic and other sanctions, only if Iran ends a uranium enrichment program the administration maintains is intended to produce nuclear weapons, a charge Iran denies. Although the U.S. and Iranian ambassadors to Baghdad met three times last year for discussions on Iraq, Iran has refused to continue that dialogue.

Others, including Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who is running for president, have said that talks with Iran on a range of issues might be useful.

Gates publicly favored engagement with Iran before taking his current job in late 2006. In 2004, he co-authored a Council on Foreign Relations report titled "Iran: Time for a New Approach." At the time, he explained yesterday, "we were looking at a different Iran in many respects" under then-President Mohammad Khatami. Tehran's role in Iraq was "fairly ambivalent," he said. "They were doing some things that were not helpful, but they were also doing some things that were helpful."

"One of the things that I think historians will have to take a look at is whether there was a missed opportunity at that time," Gates said. Khatami was replaced in 2005 by hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Gates was also a member of the bipartisan 2006 Iraq Study Group, which advocated reaching out to Iran. He resigned from the group when President Bush nominated him as defense secretary in November that year; the report was published on Dec. 6, the day of his confirmation.

The administration charges that Iran is now deeply engaged in training and arming Shiite militias fighting U.S. troops in Iraq. In his remarks yesterday, Gates said evidence to that effect is "very unambiguous."

But, he said, "I sort of sign up" with New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman, who wrote yesterday that the "right question" for the United States is not whether to talk with Iran but "whether we have leverage or don't have leverage."

"When you have leverage, talk," Friedman advised. "When you don't have leverage, get some -- by creating economic, diplomatic or military incentives and pressures that the other side finds too tempting or frightening to ignore. That is where the Bush team has been so incompetent vis-à-vis Iran."

A number of senior U.S. military officials have emphasized the need for robust diplomacy toward Iran, while not ruling out the use of force. "I'm a big believer in resolving this diplomatically, economically and politically," Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a recent interview with The Washington Post. "The military aspect of this, which I think is a very important part of the equation and must stay on the table," Mullen said, is an option of "last resort."

Gates said yesterday that the U.S. military remained "stretched" by deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, although he said that all service branches had met their recruitment and retention goals last month. "There is no doubt that . . . we would be very hard-pressed to fight another major conventional war right now," he said. "But where would we sensibly do that, anyway?"

Future conflicts, Gates said, will be asymmetric. "Other countries are not going to come at us in a conventional war."

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 08:55:13 AM »
The White House denied Thursday that President Bush was focusing on Barack Obama when — during a speech to the Israeli parliament — he criticized politicians who would speak to terrorist backers.

 

In his speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of the founding of the state of Israel, Bush said anyone who claims that talking with terrorists will result in peace is experiencing a “foolish delusion.”

 

“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history,” the president said.

 

While Bush never mentioned Obama by name, “aggressive personal diplomacy” with Iran is an oft-stated proposal by Obama as a means to end that country’s support for insurgency in Iraq and its nuclear programs.

 

Obama swiftly criticized Bush for a “false political attack” and said the president’s foreign policy has failed to secure the U.S. or Israel.

 

“Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power — including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy — to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president’s extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel,” Obama said.

 

Press Secretary Dana Perino, who had not heard Obama’s reaction when she spoke, said the president has long opposed direct talks with the nation’s enemies and Obama was not the focus of the criticism. However, senior administration officials said the president’s remarks are inclusive of Obama and other Democrats who would negotiate with Iran, Syria or other terrorist-sponsoring states.

 

“I understand when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you. That is not always true and it is not true in this case. The president is president regardless of an election cycle and he is going to be president of the United States through January 20, 2009,” Perino said.

 

“We are not going to change policy based on the ‘08 election. We are not going to stop talking about the ideals of the United States because there is an ‘08 election. They can fight it out over there but this is not new policy.”

 

FOX News’ Anne Marie Riha contributed to this report.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/15/white-house-denies-bush-targeted-obama-in-speech-to-israeli-knesset/

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 09:04:31 AM »
Bush is legitimizing Obama.

And why is Operation chaos so quiet, Joe?  ;)

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 09:08:52 AM »
It can be debated either way if BUSH was talking about Obama or not.....


But the thing that strikes me, is BUSH comments in his speech versus, his Defense Secretaries comments.   They seem to contradict each other.

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 09:09:54 AM »
Bush is legitimizing Obama.

And why is Operation chaos so quiet, Joe?  ;)

How is he legitimizing him? If he said he wasn't taking aim at Obama.....he should have been. If Obama gets elected, you can kiss this country goodbye. There was nothing in Bush's speech that was not correct. YOU DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. How many has Obama said he would meet with Iran with no pre-conditions? What a f**king moron.

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 09:25:50 AM »
How is he legitimizing him? If he said he wasn't taking aim at Obama.....he should have been. If Obama gets elected, you can kiss this country goodbye. There was nothing in Bush's speech that was not correct. YOU DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. How many has Obama said he would meet with Iran with no pre-conditions? What a f**king moron.

Gates seems to think we should negotiate with Iran and so does Obama.

hmmm


So if Obama gets elected are you going to move away from LA so you don't get nuked?  Perhaps the Oregon desert?

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 09:25:52 AM »
How is he legitimizing him? If he said he wasn't taking aim at Obama.....he should have been. If Obama gets elected, you can kiss this country goodbye. There was nothing in Bush's speech that was not correct. YOU DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. How many has Obama said he would meet with Iran with no pre-conditions? What a f**king moron.

Joe, wake-up call... we've been negotiating with terrorists for years.
we've been paying the death squads not to kill, then paying them to attack each other.
we readily admit it.

Care to restate "YOU DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS" when al-Sadr used to be a US asset?

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Re: Obama Takes Issue With Bush Foreign Policy Speech
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 09:28:02 AM »
How is he legitimizing him? If he said he wasn't taking aim at Obama.....he should have been. If Obama gets elected, you can kiss this country goodbye. There was nothing in Bush's speech that was not correct. YOU DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. How many has Obama said he would meet with Iran with no pre-conditions? What a f**king moron.

In the 1980s, Russia was dropping mines that look like toys all over the world.

They were small explosives, because a wounded/gimp child meant someone would have to stay home, and off the battlefield.

Russia dropped baby mines all over the world.

Reagan negotiated with them all thru the cold war.


You're calling Reagan a moron, Joe ;)