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Re: Trumps indictment -
« Reply #75 on: April 10, 2023, 12:36:27 PM »

FEC: Trump-Stormy case ‘not a campaign finance violation’
by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist |
April 05, 2023

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A key member of the Federal Election Commission today rejected the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of former President Donald Trump as a violation of federal election laws.

“It's not a campaign finance violation. It's not a reporting violation of any kind,” said FEC Commissioner James E. “Trey” Trainor.

In trying to stretch the law to make it look like a violation, he added, District Attorney Alvin Bragg “is really trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.”

In a 34-count indictment of Trump, the first criminal case ever against a former president, Bragg charged that a $130,000 payment made by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen to porn star Stormy Daniels, which Cohen went to jail for in a plea deal, violated several campaign finance laws that splashed onto Trump.

But, said Trainor, the FEC and Justice Department already considered the case and tossed it.

With that as background, Trainor told Secrets today that it will be hard for a judge or jury to come up with a different conclusion since it’s the FEC and DOJ that prosecute federal campaign finance law. He reiterated that in a Tuesday tweet that showed the FEC hearing room, and he wrote, “This is where campaign finance violations are tried.”

Trainor, a Texas-based election lawyer appointed by Trump, listed several reasons why the FEC decided not to take up the payment to Daniels in 2018. He also released a statement, shown below, that he and Commissioner Sean Cooksey wrote in April 2021 explaining why the FEC voted to dismiss the case.

First, he said, Cohen took the blame in his plea deal. “At the end of the day, there's the person who committed the crime, and there's the person who is behind bars because of it,” Trainor said of Cohen.

Second, the paperwork violation in question came well after Trump’s 2016 election, so it couldn’t have been done to help his election.

Third, it is not obvious that the reason for the payment and the reimbursement to Cohen was to influence the election, thus failing the “objective standard” of law. “It has to be something that anybody on the street can look at and say the only reason you did that was to influence the campaign,” said Trainor. “There's a lot of reasons that he could have done it that aren't related to him being a candidate for president, and so therefore, it wouldn't have met the standard as campaign expenditure under federal law,” he added.

Also, the statute of limitations on the case was running out, and it wasn’t worth the time and expense to prosecute, he said.

“I don't know how you get around the evidence that both the Department of Justice in their investigation of the federal campaign finance issues and the Federal Election Commission in their ultimate jurisdiction over campaign finance issues, neither of them found there to be any violations whatsoever, and I think the jury is going to see that and they're going to have to rely upon the fact that both the law enforcement experts and the civil enforcement experts, as far as campaign finance are concerned, didn't find any violation of the law here,” said Trainor.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/fec-trump-stormy-case-not-a-campaign-finance-violation

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Re: Trumps indictment -
« Reply #76 on: April 10, 2023, 01:10:39 PM »
Paul Bedard is entitled to an opinion on this matter. However, Mr. Bedard is not a legal expert or necessarily understands the law.  He has an opinion, nothing more. Much like you, me and others do. Opinions about the strength of Trump’s indictment are extremely varied.

Bedard is a longtime D.C. reporter who joined the Washington Examiner in 2012 after penning U.S. News & World Report's premiere political column, "Washington Whispers."  As part of his "body of work," he has written dozens of pieces advancing the agenda of the National Rifle Association.

The Washington Examiner is a conservative news website and weekly magazine based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 2015 as a newspaper. It is owned by Clarity Media Group. Mr. Bedard opinions are aligned with his employer.

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« Reply #77 on: April 10, 2023, 01:56:39 PM »
Paul Bedard is entitled to an opinion on this matter. However, Mr. Bedard is not a legal expert or necessarily understands the law.  He has an opinion, nothing more. Much like you, me and others do. Opinions about the strength of Trump’s indictment are extremely varied.

Bedard is a longtime D.C. reporter who joined the Washington Examiner in 2012 after penning U.S. News & World Report's premiere political column, "Washington Whispers."  As part of his "body of work," he has written dozens of pieces advancing the agenda of the National Rifle Association.

The Washington Examiner is a conservative news website and weekly magazine based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 2015 as a newspaper. It is owned by Clarity Media Group. Mr. Bedard opinions are aligned with his employer.

This is an article that quotes and relies on FEC Commissioner James E. “Trey” Trainor.  But you would know that if you climbed out of your bubble and actually read the article.

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« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2023, 11:22:14 PM »
Bragg’s case is a legal mess — what is he even charging Trump with?
By Jonathan Turley
April 4, 2023
https://nypost.com/2023/04/04/braggs-case-is-a-legal-mess-what-is-he-even-charging-trump-with/

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« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2023, 10:38:00 AM »
We all knew he was lying right from the start.  But anyway...

This is as believable as Eric Trump's story of random people coming up to him hugging him in the streets and on planes because of his father's election loss and indictment.   ::)

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Former President Trump’s claim to a Fox News anchor that New York court employees were “crying” and apologizing for his arraignment on felony charges is “absolute BS” and doesn’t remotely resemble what took place, a law enforcement source familiar with the details of what transpired that day told Yahoo News.

“Zero,” said the source when asked how much truth there was to Trump’s colorful account. “There were zero people crying. There were zero people saying ‘I’m sorry.’”

Trump offered his version of events in an interview with the Fox News host Tucker Carlson that aired Tuesday night.

“When I went to the courthouse, which is also a prison in a sense, they signed me in, and I’ll tell you, people were crying,” Trump told Carlson. “People that work there, professionally work there, that have no problems putting in murderers, and they see everybody. It’s a tough, tough place, and they were crying. They were actually crying. They said, ‘I’m sorry.’ They said, '2024, sir. 2024.’ And tears were pouring down their eyes.”

In fact, the source said, aside from his lawyers and Secret Service agents, Trump interacted only with a handful of district attorney employees at the courthouse and had extremely limited exposure with others during his arraignment last Tuesday in lower Manhattan.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump%27s+tale+of+crying+Manhattan+court+employees+was+%27absolute+BS%2C%27+law+enforcement+source+says
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« Reply #80 on: April 12, 2023, 04:02:02 PM »
We all knew he was lying right from the start.  But anyway...

This is as believable as Eric Trump's story of random people coming up to him hugging him in the streets and on planes because of his father's election loss and indictment.   ::)

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Former President Trump’s claim to a Fox News anchor that New York court employees were “crying” and apologizing for his arraignment on felony charges is “absolute BS” and doesn’t remotely resemble what took place, a law enforcement source familiar with the details of what transpired that day told Yahoo News.

“Zero,” said the source when asked how much truth there was to Trump’s colorful account. “There were zero people crying. There were zero people saying ‘I’m sorry.’”

Trump offered his version of events in an interview with the Fox News host Tucker Carlson that aired Tuesday night.

“When I went to the courthouse, which is also a prison in a sense, they signed me in, and I’ll tell you, people were crying,” Trump told Carlson. “People that work there, professionally work there, that have no problems putting in murderers, and they see everybody. It’s a tough, tough place, and they were crying. They were actually crying. They said, ‘I’m sorry.’ They said, '2024, sir. 2024.’ And tears were pouring down their eyes.”

In fact, the source said, aside from his lawyers and Secret Service agents, Trump interacted only with a handful of district attorney employees at the courthouse and had extremely limited exposure with others during his arraignment last Tuesday in lower Manhattan.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Trump%27s+tale+of+crying+Manhattan+court+employees+was+%27absolute+BS%2C%27+law+enforcement+source+says
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Sad.  Very sad.

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« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2023, 05:11:26 PM »
Sad.  Very sad.

Especially when you know people actually believed this crap.

Nobody even bothered to open the door for the idiot, but yet were standing around inside crying for him.   ::)

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« Reply #82 on: April 12, 2023, 07:05:38 PM »

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